Author dateme Posted July 29, 2018 Author Share Posted July 29, 2018 True story. Then it's a messed up movement. Link to post Share on other sites
basil67 Posted July 29, 2018 Share Posted July 29, 2018 when the guy is handsome and/or rich, most any style of attention is just fine only the less advantaged guys are metood How does one know that a guy giving us attention approaching is rich? Yes, he might be sporting flash clothes and car, but he could be up to the eyebrows in debt to pay for it. 1 Link to post Share on other sites
darkmoon Posted July 29, 2018 Share Posted July 29, 2018 How does one know that a guy giving us attention approaching is rich? Yes, he might be sporting flash clothes and car, but he could be up to the eyebrows in debt to pay for it. I am beginning to feel sorry for you, are you really so silly that you can not spot a liar? Link to post Share on other sites
basil67 Posted July 29, 2018 Share Posted July 29, 2018 I am beginning to feel sorry for you, are you really so silly that you can not spot a liar? Nice move there Darkmoon. Instead of answering an honest question, you insult me. For what it's worth, I am not good at spotting liars. Yet I have a great life and and a wonderful marriage. If I was silly, I would not have a such a good life. Save your pity for those who can't get their act together. Perhaps you can answer my question and explain how to tell if a guy isn't actually rich? 1 Link to post Share on other sites
thefooloftheyear Posted July 29, 2018 Share Posted July 29, 2018 (edited) How does one know that a guy giving us attention approaching is rich? Yes, he might be sporting flash clothes and car, but he could be up to the eyebrows in debt to pay for it. When they find out he's broke, then they break out the #metoo... It's a ridiculous notion that a woman can detect a guy is rich by looking at him or even on several dates....Some people can live a very lavish lifestyle operating one step ahead of the repo guy or the IRS....Seen it countless times..Conversely, there are guys you see out there wearing ripped jeans and old shoes, driving old pickup trucks that are debt free and worth millions... As for the original question, I can't comment really personally anyway, as I have always been the type that hated the prospect of approaching women(cold or otherwise) so it really wouldn't apply...I was fortunate enough to have a variety of women that showed enough interest, so it let me off the hook there..But for the guy that likes to schmooze women and make comments about their appearance to break the ice, then sure, id imagine that it would put a severe crimp in their game.. TFY Edited July 29, 2018 by thefooloftheyear Link to post Share on other sites
basil67 Posted July 29, 2018 Share Posted July 29, 2018 (edited) When they find out he's broke, then they break out the #metoo... What does breaking out a #metoo involve? And how would it hurt the average low profile guy at the pub when there's no evidence of wrong doing? Serious question. I can't imagine what we are talking about here. It's a ridiculous notion that a woman can detect a guy is rich by looking at him or even on several dates....Some people can live a very lavish lifestyle operating one step ahead of the repo guy or the IRS....Seen it countless times..Conversely, there are guys you see out there wearing ripped jeans and old shoes, driving old pickup trucks that are debt free and worth millions... Exactly. Properly rich guys don't mention their wealth because they might be used for their money. There is a very wealthy guy at our local pub who fits your description exactly. If he hit on me, I wouldn't look twice at him. Really want to know how Darkmoon would spot him as the rich guy in the crowd. Gauging by her standards, you and I are too stupid to figure it out. Edited July 29, 2018 by basil67 1 Link to post Share on other sites
thefooloftheyear Posted July 29, 2018 Share Posted July 29, 2018 When they find out he's broke, then they break out the #metoo... How does a woman break out the #metoo and hurt a guy at the local pub? Serious question. I can't imagine what it would involve. . I was just being silly, but now that you mention this scenario, allow me to relay this story... Back in the 80's when I worked in clubs, it was NOTHING to see guys I worked with saying the crudest stuff to the female patrons, sometimes grabbing the waist or ass of women there or sneaking up behind them and hugging them,etc...This wasn't ever anything id do, but I witnessed it at least dozens of times..They(women) would almost play along, but they clearly pushed away in most cases and some even got a little nasty...But no one was ever charged with anything...Ironically, that only happened when we had to escort stone drunk or high women who were out of control out of the place...Then they'd pull the "he sexually assaulted me: BS the next day when they were trying to sue the club... Id imagine the feeling now is you better not say anything and you damn well better keep your hands to yourself...I am neither a bar person nor the type to comment, so maybe I am a bad person to ask this...I dunno.. TFY 1 Link to post Share on other sites
basil67 Posted July 29, 2018 Share Posted July 29, 2018 I was just being silly, but now that you mention this scenario, allow me to relay this story... Back in the 80's when I worked in clubs, it was NOTHING to see guys I worked with saying the crudest stuff to the female patrons, sometimes grabbing the waist or ass of women there or sneaking up behind them and hugging them,etc...This wasn't ever anything id do, but I witnessed it at least dozens of times..They(women) would almost play along, but they clearly pushed away in most cases and some even got a little nasty...But no one was ever charged with anything...Ironically, that only happened when we had to escort stone drunk or high women who were out of control out of the place...Then they'd pull the "he sexually assaulted me: BS the next day when they were trying to sue the club... Id imagine the feeling now is you better not say anything and you damn well better keep your hands to yourself...I am neither a bar person nor the type to comment, so maybe I am a bad person to ask this...I dunno.. TFY OMG! Trying to sue the club afterwards is outrageous. I'm quietly surprised they can remember anything said to them anyway But you're right - don't say or do anything that you wouldn't want your grandmother hearing about Link to post Share on other sites
basil67 Posted July 29, 2018 Share Posted July 29, 2018 (edited) Meh. Like anything else, there is good and bad in it. My only real problem with it is the fact that one word from an angry ex-girlfriend is enough to ruin a guy's life. Now, I am sure the vast majority of women wouldn't do such a thing to you, but when power is given out like that, some will take advantage. As to the movement only affecting certain individuals, well, that's always been the case. When you have the right look and charm, you can say literally anything to many women and they will happily take their clothes off for you. A regular guy like me tries that stuff, and suddenly I am creepy. I agree that this is very much a minority. Back in the 80s, a guy I used to know said that his ex-wife from an acrimonious divorce had bruises and reported him for beating her up. He says he didn't do it, but he was actually a bit of a nutter so I never knew if I should believe him. In the end, the charges were dropped so insufficient evidence anyway. I think true and false claims have been going on forever. If bad women do make false claims and ruin guys lives, I wonder if this is just the reverse of men assaulting and raping women and ruining their lives. They use the power they have to hurt the other. The bad in both genders ruin it for everyone else. This is why we can't have nice things Edited July 29, 2018 by basil67 Link to post Share on other sites
Woggle Posted July 29, 2018 Share Posted July 29, 2018 If a man is sexually appealing to women he can get away with a lot. I used to bar tend in clubs and certain can get away with near assault while other men would get drinks thrown at them for getting up the nerve to even say hello. I want actual rapists, predators and bad men to be punished but people of all genders lie. I posted in the other thread about how my ex tried to throw accusations against me and this is actually a very common tactic of abusive women. I have yet to see a man in a bad relationship where she didn't try to play the victim. Look at Chris Hardwick. I don't know what happened but it seems that damn near every other woman he has come into contact has been a character witness in his favor but none of that means anything to the mob. No matter what proof he has in his favor none of it will matter. Link to post Share on other sites
basil67 Posted July 29, 2018 Share Posted July 29, 2018 (edited) If a man is sexually appealing to women he can get away with a lot. I used to bar tend in clubs and certain can get away with near assault while other men would get drinks thrown at them for getting up the nerve to even say hello. He only needs to be sexually appealing to the woman he's flirting with. And yes, it's all about reading your audience. It's the same for women - no man wants someone he's not keen on flirting with him at work. I have yet to see a man in a bad relationship where she didn't try to play the victim I will offer you my sister's ex: In his psych report for the divorce, the doctor had written "A sees himself as a victim". And play the victim he did. Even his lawyers were telling him that she was asking far less than she was entitled to and to sign before it got before a judge, but no, in his eyes she was all about his money. Edited July 29, 2018 by basil67 Link to post Share on other sites
Author dateme Posted August 12, 2018 Author Share Posted August 12, 2018 If a man is sexually appealing to women he can get away with a lot. I used to bar tend in clubs and certain can get away with near assault while other men would get drinks thrown at them for getting up the nerve to even say hello. I want actual rapists, predators and bad men to be punished but people of all genders lie. I posted in the other thread about how my ex tried to throw accusations against me and this is actually a very common tactic of abusive women. I have yet to see a man in a bad relationship where she didn't try to play the victim. Look at Chris Hardwick. I don't know what happened but it seems that damn near every other woman he has come into contact has been a character witness in his favor but none of that means anything to the mob. No matter what proof he has in his favor none of it will matter. I don't think they realize how far they took it. Now it's too late. They've messed the dating pool up. Link to post Share on other sites
somanymistakes Posted August 12, 2018 Share Posted August 12, 2018 Don't be ridiculous. If men who don't know how to talk to a woman without grabbing her butt are now confused and afraid to go out and grab women, and therefore the "dating pool" is smaller, GOOD. However, I have yet to see any evidence that the dating pool is actually "messed up". 3 Link to post Share on other sites
Woggle Posted August 12, 2018 Share Posted August 12, 2018 Don't be ridiculous. If men who don't know how to talk to a woman without grabbing her butt are now confused and afraid to go out and grab women, and therefore the "dating pool" is smaller, GOOD. However, I have yet to see any evidence that the dating pool is actually "messed up". Of course nobody should grab anybody but there actually are some women who think that even saying hello or good morning is harassment. Some of those twitter feminists actually think like that. Any interaction between men and women will be filtered through that lens. It is less than 1% of women but this small percentage congregate on social media and form a mob. Link to post Share on other sites
somanymistakes Posted August 12, 2018 Share Posted August 12, 2018 Of course nobody should grab anybody but there actually are some women who think that even saying hello or good morning is harassment. Some of those twitter feminists actually think like that. Any interaction between men and women will be filtered through that lens. It is less than 1% of women but this small percentage congregate on social media and form a mob. Some people are touchy. However, the thread's question was: has metoo made it tougher for women to date? So far, I don't think a single woman has said yes, have they? 1 Link to post Share on other sites
losangelena Posted August 12, 2018 Share Posted August 12, 2018 Some people are touchy. However, the thread's question was: has metoo made it tougher for women to date? So far, I don't think a single woman has said yes, have they? Right? This thread really should have been called, "women, validate my experience or else you're wrong," lol. 2 Link to post Share on other sites
NuevoYorko Posted August 12, 2018 Share Posted August 12, 2018 When they find out he's broke, then they break out the #metoo... TFY Excuse me, but accusations of abuses by men in positions of power, not broke guys, fueled #metoo. Whatever. Bottom line is that when a woman or a girl says no it really does mean no. The only impact it has on dating is that maybe if a woman tells a man NO - no matter whether a broke nobody or a powerful rich guy, he will be more likely to believe she means it. If the woman happened to be game playing to get chased, she will learn that this is not a good dating strategy. Win / win. For my daughters sake especially I'm glad. 1 Link to post Share on other sites
Woggle Posted August 12, 2018 Share Posted August 12, 2018 Some people are touchy. However, the thread's question was: has metoo made it tougher for women to date? So far, I don't think a single woman has said yes, have they? No woman has said that but it is a common gripe from women about how men don't act like men anymore and how there aren't a lot of good men. It sort of fits in with this theme. 1 Link to post Share on other sites
losangelena Posted August 12, 2018 Share Posted August 12, 2018 No woman has said that but it is a common gripe from women about how men don't act like men anymore and how there aren't a lot of good men. It sort of fits in with this theme. And how does that tie in with the #metoo movement, specifically? A bunch of women kept this thread on topic, and suddenly a bunch of men are complaining that they can't get a fair shake because they aren't good-looking enough. All gripes that existed far before the maurading 1% feminist twitter horde, I assure you. 2 Link to post Share on other sites
Woggle Posted August 12, 2018 Share Posted August 12, 2018 And how does that tie in with the #metoo movement, specifically? A bunch of women kept this thread on topic, and suddenly a bunch of men are complaining that they can't get a fair shake because they aren't good-looking enough. All gripes that existed far before the maurading 1% feminist twitter horde, I assure you. I think that 1% was always but metoo which for the most part is actually a good and just movement has been used by this 1% to further their hatred. This existed before metoo and will exist after it. Every now and then a thread pops up on here by a woman complaining that no men approach her and she thinks it means there is something wrong with her and I explain not to take it personally since these days only creeps approach women. 1 Link to post Share on other sites
hotpotato Posted August 12, 2018 Share Posted August 12, 2018 Im interested in this, too. Some of the advice I've read on the internet opens guys up for rape charges. I think the real change we need to see is in grey area situations. By #metoo I mean actually sexual assault and harassment not merely asking a girl out. Link to post Share on other sites
Woggle Posted August 12, 2018 Share Posted August 12, 2018 Im interested in this, too. Some of the advice I've read on the internet opens guys up for rape charges. I think the real change we need to see is in grey area situations. By #metoo I mean actually sexual assault and harassment not merely asking a girl out. To some those are three of the same thing. Link to post Share on other sites
hotpotato Posted August 12, 2018 Share Posted August 12, 2018 Don't be ridiculous. If men who don't know how to talk to a woman without grabbing her butt are now confused and afraid to go out and grab women, and therefore the "dating pool" is smaller, GOOD. However, I have yet to see any evidence that the dating pool is actually "messed up". Yes, and good riddance. Link to post Share on other sites
basil67 Posted August 12, 2018 Share Posted August 12, 2018 Im interested in this, too. Some of the advice I've read on the internet opens guys up for rape charges. I think the real change we need to see is in grey area situations. By #metoo I mean actually sexual assault and harassment not merely asking a girl out. What kind of advice are you talking about hotpotato? I keep reading on LS about women using the #metoo label when being asked out. However in the feminist circles in which I travel, I've not heard it used once. (For the record, you'd never find me hanging out in circles with women who hate men) That's not to say that nobody has ever made that accusation, but I don't believe it's the scourge which it's being painted as. There are a small number of both misogynists and misandrists who speak absolute rubbish. It's foolish to actually listen to such a small number of people. I have an unfailing belief that commonsense will prevail over the lunatic fringe. 1 Link to post Share on other sites
somanymistakes Posted August 12, 2018 Share Posted August 12, 2018 To some those are three of the same thing. Well honestly it depends on how you do it! There's ways to ask a girl out, or to express your appreciation of her attractiveness, that are extremely creepy and encroaching. In many cases, a guy knows he's done something a bit wrong and pushed it too far, but since he can describe it as "all I did was tell her she was attractive!" in order to try and get sympathy for his side (which is natural, everyone wants sympathy) that can make the situation sound very harmless, when in the full picture, it's much more clear both that he was being creepy and that he knew he was being creepy. Of course, some people really are just insanely touchy, and it is worthwhile to try and train your radar in detecting crazies and avoiding them. We had a thread here many months ago where we talked about positive and negative ways for men to approach women, iirc. 1 Link to post Share on other sites
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