What exactly is the red and blue pill?

[dragon_fly_7]

Is anyone else confused by those terms?

 

During my HS years spent in FL (2001-2005), I haven't heard those terms used frequently as now.

[CautiouslyOptimistic]

Is anyone else confused by those terms?

 

During my HS years spent in FL (2001-2005), I haven't heard those terms used frequently as now.

 

Watch The Matrix (movie) and you will understand .

[Mrin]

There is a lot of incel use of the term that is quite destructive if you ask me.

[BC1980]

The red pill is reality right? The blue pill is illusion? Something like that.

[dragon_fly_7]

The red pill is reality right? The blue pill is illusion? Something like that.

I understand that part but not the whole context.

[Els]

It's a theory proposed by incels, based on the red and blue pills offered by Morpheus in The Matrix.

 

 

 

Which is really ironic because it's actually the majority of "red-pill"ers who are living in their own heads with very little real life relationship experience. I always thought it would be cool to do a "follow up" fanfic of the Matrix where it's revealed that the nightmarish world is really just caused by contents of the "red pill" that induce paranoid delusions, whereas the real world is actual reality, which you continue to experience if you chose the "blue pill" (placebo).

[dragon_fly_7]

Watch The Matrix (movie) and you will understand .

Thanks. I'll watch it later on this week so I can have a more clear understanding of the concept.

[carhill]

There are agents everywhere. They are everyone

 

This is especially true on the internet where interactions are virtual and anyone can be anyone.

 

I asked the question back in '67, what is real, anyway?

 

IMO, watch the first Matrix movie and the original meaning of the red and blue pill will be made clear. Others perhaps have co-opted the terminology/visuals for their own purposes, as people tend to do. I first noticed the resurgence on Reddit a few years back. I wrote it off to youth having a language of their own kinda like we did when their age a couple generations ago. It went from there.

[BC1980]

I understand that part but not the whole context.

 

I've seen it used to describe a person who starts to understand the reality of feminism. It's called red pilling. There is a documentary about MRAs called "The a Red Pill," but I've never seen it.

[brigit87]

Thanks. I'll watch it later on this week so I can have a more clear understanding of the concept.

 

Here you go:

 

[Imajerk17]

Red-Pillers view women as Takers Of Men's Resources with unfair expectations of the male gender, and see it as their objective and duty to give as little to women as possible.

 

Blue-Pillers are most everyone else--in particular those guys who don't mind chivalry, who pick up the check for dates, who aren't angry at the female gender for being expected to make the first move, ect.

 

[The people referred to as Red-Pillers or Blue-Pillers are typically guys].

 

Red-pillers tend to see themselves as as special kind of 'woke' and blue-pillers as 'stuck in The Matrix'. Red-pillers tend to view the typical courtship rituals that blue-pillers happily do as 'supplicating'. [in fact, the terms 'red-pill' and 'blue-pill' are used in this context almost exclusively by 'red-pillers.] Even though, in many instances, it is the Blue-pillers who are in happy relationships and it is the red-pillers who are alone, frustrated and angry.

Edited July 31, 2018 by Imajerk17

[Woggle]

Red pillers and MGTOW are the male version of radical gender feminists.

[brigit87]

Red-Pillers view women as Takers Of Men's Resources with unfair expectations of the male gender, and see it as their objective and duty to give as little to women as possible.

 

Blue-Pillers are most everyone else--in particular those guys who don't mind chivalry, who pick up the check for dates, who aren't angry at the female gender for being expected to make the first move, ect.

 

[The people referred to as Red-Pillers or Blue-Pillers are typically guys].

 

Red-pillers tend to see themselves as as special kind of 'woke' and blue-pillers as 'stuck in The Matrix'. Red-pillers tend to view the typical courtship rituals that blue-pillers happily do as 'supplicating'. [in fact, the terms 'red-pill' and 'blue-pill' are used in this context almost exclusively by 'red-pillers.] Even though, in many instances, it is the Blue-pillers who are in happy relationships and it is the red-pillers who are alone, frustrated and angry.

 

So Red Pill dudes are paranoid psychopaths?

[d0nnivain]

The terms are from the movie. The are not reality based or often used slang. They are meaningless.

[SmartDude]

It's a theory proposed by incels, based on the red and blue pills offered by Morpheus in The Matrix.

 

 

 

Which is really ironic because it's actually the majority of "red-pill"ers who are living in their own heads with very little real life relationship experience. I always thought it would be cool to do a "follow up" fanfic of the Matrix where it's revealed that the nightmarish world is really just caused by contents of the "red pill" that induce paranoid delusions, whereas the real world is actual reality, which you continue to experience if you chose the "blue pill" (placebo).

 

 

Not incels. They are MGTOW's. two very different groups. MGTOW stands for "Men Going Their Own Way".

 

 

It represents males who have seen what a bad deal marriage and divorce are. It is a protest against the family courts. Its actually a lot of things rolled into one.

 

 

It represents men who have chosen not to marry and thus remain perpetually single. They have sex by using escorts, or by finding women who are also just looking for something not so serious and entangled. It is men doing the things that make them happy, rather than focusing on relationships. There is a statement that some women believe that "men are here to make women's lives easier". We are putting an end to that false ideal and knocking women off the pedestal. They can hunt and gather just like the men can now.

 

 

 

Every man goes MGTOW at some point in their life, even if its just temporary.

[Woggle]

MGTOW is the male version of the I don't need a man movement.

[somanymistakes]

MGTOW is the male version of the I don't need a man movement.

 

There is no "I don't need a man" movement.

 

There are individual women saying they don't need men, which is fine. I have yet to see them forming an organised movement and frantically preaching, attempting to convert outsiders with propaganda and paid advertisements, intentionally infiltrating groups with the intent of finding weak-minded people to join their cause, etc.

 

If you wanted to draw parallels between MGTOW and "political lesbianism" you'd have a much better argument, as that particular group of feminists back in the 60s really did try to evangelise and convince all women to stop having heterosexual relationships because all men were evil users, marriage was inherently coercive and nothing more than state-sanctioned rape, etc.

 

That's kind of died out by now for many reasons, including being obviously sexist and stupid.

 

 

 

I have no problem with an individual man saying "You know what? I don't need a woman in my life. I don't need marriage. I am fine the way I am." If he's happy, good for him! If he feels like there's been too much pressure on him to choose marriage just because that's "normal" and not because it's what he actually wants, then he SHOULD choose something else.

 

Absolutely, find a better way for yourself, don't feel trapped by social expectations, don't let anyone tell you that you're not a man or not worthwhile just because you're not married.

 

But if you start getting into the "all marriage is bondage for men", "all men are downtrodden", "every man will eventually embrace MGOTW", then you start sounding like a political lesbian and those ladies were nuts.

 

 

As for "what is the red pill"? Ironically, I've heard that the "red pill" they were thinking of when they wrote the movie was actually estrogen.

[Woggle]

But MGTOW is not political homosexuality and there are corners on the internet full of hetero women who preach about how marriage is bad for women and they gain nothing from it and how you should never fully trust men and how they are good for nothing but their wallets. It's similar to what MGTOW types need. This is very different than somebody just deciding that marriage or even relationships are not for them. You can do that without smearing an entire gender.

[thefooloftheyear]

MGTOW is the male version of the I don't need a man movement.

 

 

And in both cases, it's mostly just sour grapes...

 

"I can't have it, so it must suck"

 

 

TFY

[Striver]

To be honest, the behavior of my exW hit a lot of the cliches that the "red pill" movement emphasizes.

 

I think men have a right to study the behavior of women and act accordingly. Men and women have the right to be treated equally. But they are biologically different, and have different tendencies. I have no problem with men studying and even publicizing women's actions that hurt men.

 

I am not an incel or a MGTOW. I am in a relationship. It is a need of mine. Likely will remain a need even if things don't work out with the GF. My life is hard in a lot of ways due to my ex. With three still small children and in my 50s, I don't have a lot of bandwidth to make a new life for myself. A lot of women in my age bracket can frankly find a man without children so small. Were I in their shoes, I probably would do the same. My ex is just as bad as the proverbial "deadbeat dad" and should be treated as such by society. But she doesn't really pay any penalty for her actions.

[Els]

Red-Pillers view women as Takers Of Men's Resources with unfair expectations of the male gender, and see it as their objective and duty to give as little to women as possible.

 

Blue-Pillers are most everyone else--in particular those guys who don't mind chivalry, who pick up the check for dates, who aren't angry at the female gender for being expected to make the first move, ect.

 

[The people referred to as Red-Pillers or Blue-Pillers are typically guys].

 

Red-pillers tend to see themselves as as special kind of 'woke' and blue-pillers as 'stuck in The Matrix'. Red-pillers tend to view the typical courtship rituals that blue-pillers happily do as 'supplicating'. [in fact, the terms 'red-pill' and 'blue-pill' are used in this context almost exclusively by 'red-pillers.] Even though, in many instances, it is the Blue-pillers who are in happy relationships and it is the red-pillers who are alone, frustrated and angry.

 

Hey, I'd be frustrated and angry too if I was stuck living in Zion fighting against a bunch of technologically-superior machines. Have you SEEN that place??

 

In all seriousness I think the whole red pill/incel/MGTOW/blah blah crap is coined by a bunch of really sad dudes with nothing else going on in their lives and no interests (of the romantic variety or otherwise) to really live for. It's all a variation of "the lady doth protest too much".

 

I mean, plenty of people of both genders are genuinely not seeking sexual or romantic relationships at the moment for various reasons - wanting to focus on school/career, focusing on a passion like traveling/volunteering, just not interested, etc. That's all totally fine! But you don't see them online making post after post about the evil wimmenz. They just don't think much about them at all. In stark contrast to the "red pill"ers...

[major_merrick]

I think the "red pill" people have overstated something that is generally true - that traditional gender roles are right for most families and that modern leftist feminism has negatively influenced some severe social problems. Feminism has gone way beyond the vote, equal pay, and an end to sexual harassment.

 

The biggest problem I see with "red pill" is that people who subscribe to that philosophy read various handbooks about how to be "players" or deal with "game" theory. The idea that being manly means screwing a bunch of women or only chasing the hot ones is just as destructive as modern leftist feminism.

 

When all you can think about is what you hate, you end up with so little to love. There has to be a decent, reasonable end goal, and "red pill" has overshot the mark.

[Woggle]

This just shows that young men desperately need some kind of positive and healthy masculinity to look up to and be reach for. No men with an ounce of self respect is going to buy into the self flagellation that many modern feminists demand of us which they often refer to as checking your male privilege. Many men embrace what is often called toxic masculinity because society acts like that and self flagellation are the only two options. Stuff like red pill is a misguided attempt to fill the hole that the downfall of healthy masculinity has left.

[Imajerk17]

I'd say that there is some truth in what they say, but it is a biased truth based on their experiences. They will find one girl that backs up their hypothesis of how bad women are, and then assume all women are like that one poor example.

 

Like Woggle said, the Red Pill crowd is pretty much the same as your typical radical feminist of today. Just the male version.

 

Yes. Many so-called red-pillers were once extreme supplicators [drunk on blue pills?]. As in they would try to date a woman by doing her favours and buying her things and trying to get her to talk about her problems [so he could provide emotional support], even if she already had a boyfriend. And then after these guys hit the end of their emotional rope having lost all this time and money and she still had no intention of leaving her boyfriend [even though he wasn't nearly as much of a Nice Guy], they embraced Red-Pill Theory. From one extreme to the next.

 

The truth is that most so-called blue-pillers understand not to waste their time and energy on a woman who clearly isn't interested or who isn't putting effort back herself. They know enough not to get played for a fool. So maybe these guys are really 'purple-pillers'? As in a combination of blue-pill and red-pill.

 

My point of all this is....red pill or blue pill...who can tell...really at the end of the day, There Is No Spoon.

[brigit87]

Yes. Many so-called red-pillers were once extreme supplicators [drunk on blue pills?]. As in they would try to date a woman by doing her favours and buying her things and trying to get her to talk about her problems [so he could provide emotional support], even if she already had a boyfriend.

 

Yeah...those "nice guys" who'd talk to you about how unhappy you are with your current boyfriend. Those guys got what they deserved. I never thought those guys were "nice." Bottom feeders yes but not nice.