Raise your hand if you are - or raised - responsible millenials!

[nospam99]

I'm not sure how the bolded is supposed to prove superiority. Is it somehow commendable to risk death and personal injury in order to have a nice lawn or a beautifully-shingled roof that you made all by yourself? Perhaps it might be to you, but someone prioritizing differently is entirely within their rights to do so.

 

 

 

Yes, in this day and age most things CAN be outsourced. That is reality, not ''the virtual world''. It's called efficiency, and it's also called supporting the economy and the job market. If you don't believe in this, did you build the phone/computer that you are using to access LS by yourself? (Hint: I did. )

 

 

I feel sorry for anyone who is so close-minded that they think the sky is falling whenever anyone else does anything differently from them.

 

LOL - I'll keep taking the bait (at least for a while) ...

 

- The bolded stuff is only risky if the person doing the task doesn't know what they're doing. Most (not all) millennials I've dealt with don't have the care or patience to learn the simplest safety procedures.

- It is not efficient to have a 'professional' **** the job up so it has to be done over. In my experience, millennials get 'McTraining' off a youtube vid, don't get TESTED to confirm that they have assimilated the knowledge, and **** up in far greater proportions than 'us boomers' (Yes, there are **** ups in every generation - all I'm saying is the bell curve appears to me to have moved noticably.)

- Sorry with, I am told, no way I'm ever getting back the money I and my employers personally paid in to Social Security, I'll not be supporting the economy and the job market by paying some **** up to do a job I'll have to do over (I do know when I'm 'out of my league' - for example I pay a plumber (mine is GenX) to do sweat soldering because I'm not good enough to be sure water won't be leaking all over the house if I do the job).

 

I'm accessing LS on a MacBook so, no, I didn't build it myself. However I did ASSEMBLE (I buy motherboards and video cards rather than build them) the Linux server with eight bootable partitions that I could use to access LS instead of the MacBook.

[basil67]

nospam, rewiring a junction box is illegal here unless you have electrical qualifications. Is it not illegal where you are? Heck, changing a light fitting is also illegal unless you've got qualifications. I'm not saying that nobody does it, but it's a bit stiff to criticise people for not doing illegal things.

 

Of the generations who have a strong background in being able to do home maintenance, you'll find a lot more worked in trades. Being handy was part of who they were. But times have changed and society requires a lot more white collar workers. You may be able to rewire a junction box, but could you be on a team building a multi billion dollar piece of network infrastructure? (That's what my hubby does but apparently you view him as a **** up because he can't do electrical wiring or build a chicken coop) Are you able to do bio medical research? Can you get a job as a share trader?

 

Society requires many different skill sets to function as a whole. These days, diversity in what we have to offer in is more important than ever. Instead of thinking that someone is a loser because they can't do X, how about appreciating what they do add to society?

Edited October 7, 2018 by basil67

[Els]

LOL - I'll keep taking the bait (at least for a while) ...

 

- The bolded stuff is only risky if the person doing the task doesn't know what they're doing. Most (not all) millennials I've dealt with don't have the care or patience to learn the simplest safety procedures.

- It is not efficient to have a 'professional' **** the job up so it has to be done over. In my experience, millennials get 'McTraining' off a youtube vid, don't get TESTED to confirm that they have assimilated the knowledge, and **** up in far greater proportions than 'us boomers' (Yes, there are **** ups in every generation - all I'm saying is the bell curve appears to me to have moved noticably.)

- Sorry with, I am told, no way I'm ever getting back the money I and my employers personally paid in to Social Security, I'll not be supporting the economy and the job market by paying some **** up to do a job I'll have to do over (I do know when I'm 'out of my league' - for example I pay a plumber (mine is GenX) to do sweat soldering because I'm not good enough to be sure water won't be leaking all over the house if I do the job).

 

I'm accessing LS on a MacBook so, no, I didn't build it myself. However I did ASSEMBLE (I buy motherboards and video cards rather than build them) the Linux server with eight bootable partitions that I could use to access LS instead of the MacBook.

 

 

Nobody is trying to tell you what you should or shouldn't be paying anyone to do... Your point was that "you guys suck because you don't do X Y and Z on your own, which is somehow apparently better than paying someone else to do it even if you earn good money, and which is somehow more important than knowing something else that you need to know to do your job". My point was that that's a rather silly point.

 

 

We're happy to pay someone to do our plumbing or electrical wiring or gardening, so we'll carry on doing that. I like knowing that I'm supporting hardworking plumbers, electricians, and gardeners. We're also paying almost $100k in taxes, which partially go towards supporting retirees with no retirement plans. You don't see me whining about people of that age range, do you?

 

 

I also find it pretty funny that Mr. DIY is using a MacBook...

[nospam99]

I also find it pretty funny that Mr. DIY is using a MacBook...

 

LOL ... 'Mr. DIY' was given his MacBook by a previous employer. It's a 'handy' little laptop and I will not be shamed into instead using a seven-bay tower server that I assembled myself and run with the case open so I can quickly swap in a video card with more memory or better acceleraton . And my critical remarks about millennials are not so much about them not DITs but about an 'entitled' disinterest in learning anything other than the mechanics of the latest social media website, the latest online multi-player game, or the latest apps for their smart phones.

[basil67]

And my critical remarks about millennials are not so much about them not DITs but about an 'entitled' disinterest in learning anything other than the mechanics of the latest social media website, the latest online multi-player game, or the latest apps for their smart phones.

 

If that was the truth, none of them would be gainfully employed. But we know the majority are out there with qualifications, jobs, owning houses, paying taxes, having families and contributing to society.

 

You do know that gross exaggerations do nothing to add credibility to your statements?

[nospam99]

If that was the truth, none of them would be gainfully employed. But we know the majority are out there with qualifications, jobs, owning houses, paying taxes, having families and contributing to society.

 

You do know that gross exaggerations do nothing to add credibility to your statements?

 

I'd say that depends on where you live. New York is said to be the highest taxed state in the nation (may be - gotta be at least top five). Also said to be the worst 'small business environment' (may be - I certainly see businesses failing all the time). The majority of the millenials I've encountered have been my children's classmates at community college, the ones attending job fairs, the ones working as retail clerks in the malls and chain Quikimarts, and the ones packing up to move to North Carolina (watch out for the hurricanes, kids). Qualifications: Associates in Liberal Arts or high school diplomas. Jobs: retail clerks. Owning houses, having families, and contributing: forget about it. The 'producers' owning those half a million dollar houses that the millenials are doing the landscaping on are the GenXers riding Metro North into NYC.

[basil67]

Ah, so the millenials you've encountered are at community college. This could explain your bias. If I worked in welfare, then I'd see mill's there too and could be mistaken for thinking they represent the whole. However I don't work in that field so I meet mill's in all walks of life.

 

I also live in a capital city which is comparable to New York in terms of wealth and living costs...and small business fails. The mill's I run into are the teachers of my children - gifted and passionate teacher at that. They are scientists. They are my son's allied health specialists/therapists. Engineers, Architects, Nurses, Doctors. My husband employs Millennial specialist IT contractors who earn upwards of $300K per year. Frankly, I don't believe that your snapshot of Mill's represents the majority.

 

The one thing they do struggle with here is buying a home. But that's mostly because of greedy baby boomers and the tax structure which turned housing from homes into commodities made it too unaffordable for them. I do despair for the future housing of Mill's and Gen Z people.

[noelle303]

I'd say that depends on where you live. New York is said to be the highest taxed state in the nation (may be - gotta be at least top five). Also said to be the worst 'small business environment' (may be - I certainly see businesses failing all the time). The majority of the millenials I've encountered have been my children's classmates at community college, the ones attending job fairs, the ones working as retail clerks in the malls and chain Quikimarts, and the ones packing up to move to North Carolina (watch out for the hurricanes, kids). Qualifications: Associates in Liberal Arts or high school diplomas. Jobs: retail clerks. Owning houses, having families, and contributing: forget about it. The 'producers' owning those half a million dollar houses that the millenials are doing the landscaping on are the GenXers riding Metro North into NYC.

 

I mean, I don't think the number of millenials you've encountered is really an adequatly sizeable sample to substantiate your claims. We're talking about millions of people here and you've encountered maybe a dozen?

 

Often times, people will form their own view based only on the information that surrounds them - your kids go to community college, therefore you only know their classmates who also go to community college and base your opinion on millenials according to them (not that there's anything wrong with community college).

 

I went to a four year university and that's pretty much my circle of friends and colleagues - successful young professionals working their way up in their careers. Now, I'm perfectly aware that that's not all millenials - just like not all baby boomers were successful, some did also work in retail or restaurants. Nothing wrong with those jobs either, someone has to do them and I commend your kid's classmates for working hard while trying to find other options.

 

P.S. I have no interest in learning how to build things around my house, I hire people to do it for me. I am responsible for developing a financial strategy for a multi-million dollar corporation, so there's that.

[nospam99]

I mean, I don't think the number of millenials you've encountered is really an adequatly sizeable sample to substantiate your claims. We're talking about millions of people here and you've encountered maybe a dozen?

 

Often times, people will form their own view based only on the information that surrounds them - your kids go to community college, therefore you only know their classmates who also go to community college and base your opinion on millenials according to them (not that there's anything wrong with community college).

 

I went to a four year university and that's pretty much my circle of friends and colleagues - successful young professionals working their way up in their careers. Now, I'm perfectly aware that that's not all millenials - just like not all baby boomers were successful, some did also work in retail or restaurants. Nothing wrong with those jobs either, someone has to do them and I commend your kid's classmates for working hard while trying to find other options.

 

P.S. I have no interest in learning how to build things around my house, I hire people to do it for me. I am responsible for developing a financial strategy for a multi-million dollar corporation, so there's that.

 

The region I live in is economically depressed and has been for about 25 years since IBM, previously a huge local employer across four nearby counties, started moving work 'offshore'. There are ten thousand students at the community college. Thousands of millenials attend the job fairs I mentioned where most of the opportunities are low-paying temporary jobs. Thousands of millennials work in low-paying retail jobs in the numerous malls and convenience stores. So my sample size is at least three orders of magnitude larger than a dozen. Thus there are regions of the United States where the majority of millennials (who haven't moved elsewhere) are little more than low-paid wage-slaves and their attitudes and motivation reflect that circumstance.

 

P.S. Before retirement I did project management and I/T security audits for a multi-billion dollar corporation, so there's that. Nevertheless I learned to maintain my home in order to ensure that tasks were performed correctly rather than by poorly trained and disinterested millennials.

[Els]

I'd say that depends on where you live. New York is said to be the highest taxed state in the nation (may be - gotta be at least top five). Also said to be the worst 'small business environment' (may be - I certainly see businesses failing all the time). The majority of the millenials I've encountered have been my children's classmates at community college, the ones attending job fairs, the ones working as retail clerks in the malls and chain Quikimarts, and the ones packing up to move to North Carolina (watch out for the hurricanes, kids). Qualifications: Associates in Liberal Arts or high school diplomas. Jobs: retail clerks. Owning houses, having families, and contributing: forget about it. The 'producers' owning those half a million dollar houses that the millenials are doing the landscaping on are the GenXers riding Metro North into NYC.

 

 

Well, that's like saying "I work at a welfare office and the only boomers I know are the ones coming in to complain about their monthly payments not being sufficient, ergo all boomers must be entitled and terrible at managing their retirement funds"...

 

 

The vast majority of millennials I know are gainfully employed and many are in fact financially supporting (partially or fully) their parents, the supposedly much greater boomers.

[nospam99]

LOL - To take the discussion out of the realm of personal observastion and opinion, though I could just as easily find an article online saying millennials, as a group, are wonderful, this is the view of millennials that I see ...

https://nypost.com/2016/03/21/millennials-need-to-put-away-the-juice-boxes-and-grow-up/