The problems with feminism.

[fromheart]

These discussions tend to get heated and thus closed down, so lets say what's on our minds in a respectful way.

 

Following on from a similarly titled thread, I've decided to list the issues I have with feminism and why I would not have a relationship with a feminist.

 

I'm referring to modern feminism, and what it has become in western society.

 

1) It doesn't promote equality.

 

As opposed to solving gender inequalities, it's replacing one dysfunctional dictatorship with another. Women are not being trained to be in touch with their femininity, but to be like the men they feel repressed by. That's not solving anything, just creating more problems in society.

If you try to discuss feminism in the modern work place, you face the possibility of losing your job. In effect, your freedom of speech has been taken away from you.

 

2) Having babies far too late.

 

Nature designed women to have babies when young. This blind insistence to have children at a later age, increases the chances of birth defects and health issues for mother and baby. I fail to see how gender equality is solved by producing less healthy children, and risking your own health.

 

If I had a son who wanted to give it a go as a sportsman, I'd tell him that he has to work on it in his youth. If he gets to 30 the sad truth is that there would be less chance of success, by 35 it would be high time to pursue another career path.

 

Yet tell a daughter that wants to become a mother the same thing, and its seen as sexist. This is ridiculous. Far better it seems, to have your daughter walk around old and alone at 40, then happy and with her first baby at 25.

 

3) Hatred of men.

 

'I hate all men,' is the same as saying 'I hate all black people.' It's a discriminating and highly offensive comment. Yet it's now socially acceptable for women to go around with an aggressive hatred for men.

 

I wouldn't have a relationship with a woman who hated people based on race or gender, and I certainly wouldn't want them around children, least of all mine.

 

4) Degrading masculinity.

 

Men are being viewed as compulsive rapists, who must be feminized for their own safety. Boys are being taught that they have something wrong with them, so must look soft and be sweet.

I used to know one of these boys. As an adult he became a schizophrenic. And that's not surprising. Yet this treatment of boys has become acceptable.

 

5) Increased chances of loosing material wealth/home.

 

As a homeowner, I sometimes get asked why I don't have a woman living with me. I reply, because I have a home. The men usually instantly understand.

 

If I were to marry in western society, should a divorce occur I face the high possibility of losing my house. If I am physically attacked and go to the police, I face the distinct possibility of going on assault charges. This is why men rarely report domestic assault.

 

 

So the options in the west for relationship happiness in the west, have been affected by the new wave of feminism. More men are choosing to be single, and even some women are moving away from the hatred, lack of family values.

 

There are many women I have met in their mid 30's who are desperate to have children but are not meeting the right man. Their story is the same. They spent their fertile years partying, without developing the emotional skills to be a mother and wife.

Now time has passed them by, and they recognize too late that walking around angry the whole time, hasn't helped. But you can't point that out to them because that would be 'sexist.' They complain that the real men wont stay in their lives. Of course they wont. Real men only settle for feminine women.

 

At the more extreme end of feminism, I have heard of women who desire to be completely free of men altogether. Give birth by artificial means, at a later age.

 

So do I have a problem with all of this? Used to. But now I say, if the peak of feminism is motherhood by artificial means, with no reliance on men whatsoever, let them have it. Though their children would face more possibility of psychological damage.

 

It's time for real men to simply walk away. When I started my path to end my nice guy tendencies, I started to walk away from every woman, friend, ex or gf, who spoke to me in a degrading manner. Most of them had to go.

 

There's this place outside of the west called the rest of the world. Its full of strong, beautiful women who have more of a respect and understanding of family values.

Edited December 22, 2018 by fromheart

[sabaton]

The problem with feminism is that it's all a big talk about being a movement that wants to give women a better life, equality, and freedom, but I ain't seeing no feminist moving to the Middle-East, to Africa, or to India and bring about much needed social and sexual change in those regions of the world.

 

To help the women who had the very bad luck of not being born in a western democracy freedom from the men(their fathers, brothers, and men they're forced to marry) who oppress, dominate, and treat them and trade them like property, using them as sex slaves and personal incubators.

 

Instead, feminism focus on making already cowered men who are too afraid of hitting on a woman because they're afraid of #metoo or any other pro-feminist attack effectuated on already very domesticated men.

 

...as for the rest of what you wrote.

 

It just reads as the bitterness of a man who laments not being the guy girls were having fun with when they were in their early 20s and still hot, if I am to be honest. I don't know any guy who complains about women having partied in their youth, but then again I don't associate with men who paint themselves as victims, because apparently feminism destroyed the family unit, and now women are too picky and don't want them.

 

Which is basically saying that they long to return to a time our society was similar to the islamic culture, in the sense that women didn't have much choice in their sexual partners/husbands and had to go and marry men they weren't attracted to.

 

These folks who are anti-feminism want us to return to 1930, where attractive 18 year old women would get married at that age to unattractive 30 year old men because they had a job.

 

Nah bruh, it ain't happening. Hit the gym hard, get that body all muscular and lean, develop some charm and then get with the times because we are killing the patriarchy and we're killing it good.

 

If marriage was such an awful deal for men, the majority of men wouldn't get married, don't you think?

Edited December 24, 2018 by a LoveShack.org Moderator

[Veronica73]

This place is starting to be way too INCEL MGTOW for me. Ugh. I’m convinced whatever is wrong with you people, it’s not feminists’ fault.

[Wallysbears]

Eh...I guess you haven’t met the right women and I’m sorry you sound so bitter.

 

Signed,

 

A very happily married woman with a strong masculine husband who spent my 20’s going to college and establishing a career and had a son at what is considered an “advanced maternal age” but due to the choices my husband and I made - was able to be a financially stable stay at home Mom until I wanted to return to the workforce and send my son to an elite preschool.

 

There is a LOT to be said for not having kids young. As an older, financially secure married couple - we can offer our son privilege he wouldn’t have had if we were 20’s and still “building”.

[littleblackheart]

These threads conflating feminism with hatred of men come across a little short-sighted and egotistical, tbh.

 

What modern feminism (or any feminism) equates to, to me, is access to the same rights and the same jobs for all, regardless of gender, sexual orientation, personal circumstances, neurological make-up, race, religion or age.

 

This doesn't mean everyone can or must do everything - it just means that we should all be given the same opportunities.

 

There is still some work to do to get there, and to me, continuing on with the process of making it happen makes sense. Hatred of men doesn't factor in this at all.

 

I have no idea why this comes up so often, tbh.

[fromheart]

 

It just reads as the bitterness of a man who laments not being the guy girls were having fun with when they were in their early 20s and still hot, if I am to be honest.

 

Yes, the usual conclusion from pro feminists is that you're not getting any.

 

I'm in the fitness industry, I get and have got sexual advances from young women on a regular basis.

 

Certainly have had my fun son.

[Wallysbears]

And I wonder how much of your issue isn’t “feminism” but rather your view of women.

 

Or maybe where you are located geographically? Or how you present yourself to women?

 

I don’t know a singular man “afraid” of marriage or living together based off “feminism”. And I have a very wide social circle.

[fromheart]

Well, you've summed it up. It's impossible for you to discuss these things without getting personal.

 

There's plenty of men on this thread alone, having the same difficulties.

Edited December 24, 2018 by a LoveShack.org Moderator

[sabaton]

This place is starting to be way too INCEL MGTOW for me. Ugh. I’m convinced whatever is wrong with you people, it’s not feminists’ fault.

 

1 - This is an American website. The majority of American men are obese or close to it, and don't have social skills because they spent their youth watching porn and playing video games.

 

2 - They want the most attractive women out there, not realizing that those same women are going to want men on par with them.

 

3- they ignore the women who want them, because they are not sexually attracted to them, as their standards are too high. The result of watching porn consisting of women who'd never be interested in them.

 

4- they see the men they want to be with the women they want to sleep with, growing both ressentful of women and (sexually popular men).

 

What's wrong with these guys is that they don't want to put in the work to get the women that they want.

 

Yes, the usual conclusion from pro feminists is that you're not getting any.

I'm sure that hugh hefner has spent taken time off his busy schedule - when he was alive - to complain about feminism.

 

I'm not a pro-feminist. Women in the western world have it good for the most part.

 

I'm far more concerned with the reality the majority of women have to deal with and live in when they're unfortunate to be born in Iran, Iraq, Yemen, Syria, Saudi Arabia, Angola, South Africa(thousands of rapes happen there everyday) and India, where thousands of women are raped and killed every year, with women being treated as property valued depending on their family connections and skin tone(the lighter it is, the more they're valued) etc.

I'm in the fitness industry, I get and have got sexual advances from young women on a regular basis.

Young, sexually attractive women, or women who are deemed to be attractive because they're young and you are not? Being young doesn't make a woman attractive on it's own for young men who happen to be attractive, as there's plenty of women who can attest to that.

 

Certainly have had my fun son.

Would you be so kind as to return to those lovely days and stop complaining about feminism. Feminism is amazinnnnnnnnnnnnnnng. It made it so that women no longer require you to marry them before they have sex with you. They no longer need a man to support them, because they can get a job, so you end up with women who make more than you if you were never interested in a career, and women who aren't going to make you date them before they want you.

[Wallysbears]

Well, you've summed it up. It's impossible for you to discuss these things without getting personal.

 

There's plenty of men on this thread alone, having the same difficulties.

 

There aren’t “plenty of men” on this thread. Basically just you?

 

What is the quote about the definition of insanity?

 

Doing the same thing over and over and expecting a different result?

 

Maybe you need to evaluate your actions to have different outcomes

[fromheart]

Nah bruh, it ain't happening. Hit the gym hard, get that body all muscular and lean, develop some charm and then get with the times because we are killing the patriarchy and we're killing it good.?

 

The patriarchy doesn't exist. Little history lesson for my American cousins, your colony was pushed by a woman, an English Queen to be precise. Look it up. You wouldn't be there right now, if it wasn't for a woman.

 

As for the modern day if there is a war, and its by a miracle there hasn't been another big one in recent decades, all the working age men will be called up to fight and die.

 

Been that way for hundreds of years. Not because men are compulsive killers, but because they have no choice. You've got to fight and die if war kicks off. So have I. No choice.

 

Where's the patriarchal benefits now 'bruh?'

[fromheart]

Sabaton, you certainly talk like an irrational hardcore feminist. Complete with hissy fits.

[sabaton]

These threads conflating feminism with hatred of men come across a little short-sighted and egotistical, tbh.

 

What modern feminism (or any feminism) equates to, to me, is access to the same rights and the same jobs for all, regardless of gender, sexual orientation, personal circumstances, neurological make-up, race, religion or age.

 

This doesn't mean everyone can or must do everything - it just means that we should all be given the same opportunities.

 

There is still some work to do to get there, and to me, continuing on with the process of making it happen makes sense. Hatred of men doesn't factor in this at all.

 

I have no idea why this comes up so often, tbh.

 

Yes, but why are there no feminists moving from the USA to the Middle-East and India, nor Africa? Are Muslim women not women? Are the lives of African women not prized enough for feminists in mass - especially the most vocal ones - to take bags and baggage to Iran or India, and to start a revolution to bring down the thousands of iron-fist rule men have exerted on women?

 

Why aren't western feminists worried that I can go to school and basically have girls walking around in thongs and no one bats an eye, but a girl in Iraq can't leave her house without being covered from head to toe with her face exposed is lucky because the Quran gives free license to men to do with women what they want, if they aren't walking around looking like a sack of potatoes?

 

I studied archeology in college, majoring in Islamic studies because for almost a thousand years the lands my ancestors came from were conquered and ruled by Muslims, and because of my exotic looks I was pretty much given free entry to the Islamic nations my college wanted me to work in, digging, meeting the locals. I met so many women from those Countries.

 

They were so unhappy, bro. Their lives even the women who were from rich families was nothing more than living to be sold off one day to a rich guy. How can feminism say that they want women to be free and happy when they don't have the balls to enter a middle-eastern Country and bring down the Patriarchy?

 

Actor and activist Amal Fathy has been sentenced to two years in prison in Egypt after speaking out against sexual harassment in a video she posted on Facebook.

She is the second woman in a year to be jailed for publicly criticising the treatment of women in the country.

On top of being fined for making "public insults", Fathy was sentenced to two years in jail for "spreading false news" and "possessing indecent material" after she posted a video on Facebook detailing how she was sexually harassed while going to the bank.

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2018-10-01/egypt-jails-woman-for-speaking-up-about-sexual-harassment/10324512

 

The death of an engineering student who has died after a brutal assault by a girl gang has sparked a diplomatic row with Egypt. Mariam Moustafa, 18, was punched several times and dragged 20 metres by the group as she waited for a bus in Nottingham city centre.

The girls followed her on board and continued the attack until she lost consciousness, her family said.

She was initially discharged from The Queen’s Medical Centre and had to be rushed to Nottingham City Hospital the following day, February 21, where she spent 12 days in a coma.

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2018-10-01/egypt-jails-woman-for-speaking-up-about-sexual-harassment/10324512

 

And I could go on and on about this. When are we going to do something about this? When are we going to bring down a culture that has raped and abused and beaten up women and girls for over 1400 years?

 

 

These women are so beautiful, with their thick, dark hair, their midnight eyes, and their skin that glows like Mediterranean Honey. And yet they're forced to cover themselves like they're animals because apparently the men they have to share a Country with aren't able of controlling themselves. It makes me so sad.

[Wallysbears]

Interesting that video games are mentioned.

 

I’d be curious to see the correlation between men that spend a lot of time online and/or “gaming” and those that complain about dating.

[sabaton]

Sabaton, you certainly talk like an irrational hardcore feminist. Complete with hissy fits.

 

 

I don't agree with what you say that makes me an irrational hardcore feminist? How does that work? Does it annoy you that my mother slept with more than 50 guys(and my father slept with a greater amount of women) and then she still managed to find herself a great husband in my father and has been happily married to him for almost 40 years, having 5(beautiful) daughters and one son with him?

 

I thought women who party hard in their youth are going to end up to be 35, single and without a man? hilarious.

[fromheart]

Yes, but why are there no feminists moving from the USA to the Middle-East and India, nor Africa? .

 

I'll be volunteering at one of those places next year.

 

What are you doing about it?

[Giraffe-A]

I’m one of the first women in my region to have paved the way for other females in my field. Not really sure why I never felt like I never struggled, but a part of me feels that because I didn't compare myself to a man, that may have contributed to my success and acceptance. I had my personal goals and dreams and I saw them through.

 

Not sure if your stats on late motherhood applies to because I was concieved when my mother was nearing 40 and had 3 more soon after. We are all healthy and it certainly did not stop me from becoming a cop at age 34. I was the oldest female by 12 years. This applies to my friends as females in our region have babies past their 40’s.

 

I feel that there may be a few good men out there, but most seem to ride the equality thing thinking that’s some sort of excuse to stop being a man-whatever that means. I’m personally turned off by going along with the 50/50 mentality. There is nothing 50/50 about a relationship. There would definitely not be anything 50/50 about me working while pregnant, taking a few weeks leave, then returning to work and the home chores and a mother. And on top of that hearing why the sex life is gone?

 

To each its own, but history has shown cruelty for women up to this day. These women rights and advantages are exclusive to certain societies and even so, its still a struggle. So yeah, women can get angry, and opportunists exists in both men and women, so sorry you feel your house is all there is at stake.

[fromheart]

 

I’d be curious to see the correlation between men that spend a lot of time online and/or “gaming” and those that complain about dating.

 

There's not a problem with dating as such. It's far easier than ever before in western society, to have casual sex.

 

The problems tend to come with marriage and kids, as I said. Settling down.

 

The mid 30's women who are still single, are complaining that all men want to do is have sex. Yet they themselves, just spent their fertile years just having casual sex.

[sabaton]

Interesting that video games are mentioned.

 

I’d be curious to see the correlation between men that spend a lot of time online and/or “gaming” and those that complain about dating.

 

Sabaton, you certainly talk like an irrational hardcore feminist. Complete with hissy fits.

 

 

I don't agree with what you say that makes me an irrational hardcore feminist? How does that work? Does it annoy you that my mother slept with more than 50 guys(and my father slept with a greater amount of women) and then she still managed to find herself a great husband in my father and has been happily married to him for almost 40 years, having 5(beautiful) daughters and one son with him?

 

I thought women who party hard in their youth are going to end up to be 35, single and without a man? hilarious.

 

I’d be curious to see the correlation between men that spend a lot of time online and/or “gaming” and those that complain about dating.

'Rape and death threats are common': Women gamers reveal the vile online abuse they receive EVERY DAY from men who say they should 'get back in the kitchen'

 

Women gamers have revealed the horrific online abuse they receive every day - just for being females interested in the hobby.

In a new documentary for BBC Three, which looks as the rise of female gamers, which now account for almost half the market, developers and technology journalists reveal how sexism is rife in what was once a male-dominated industry.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/article-3454588/Women-gamers-reveal-vile-online-abuse-receive-DAY-men-say-kitchen.html

 

This may sound like I’m trying to validate my geek cred. I shouldn’t have to prove anything, you’re right, but there are those determined to limit my rise in the gaming world. Though 47 percent of all gamers are women and though many of us are equal in our skills and drive to the men, we are often not welcome. The gamers who still aren’t ready for us resort to online harassment to belittle, silence, and drive us away from their precious boys’ club.

 

Online harassment is a phenomenon as old as online gaming itself, and it is not necessarily limited to victimizing women—although they are arguably its most visible and numerous targets. A recent New York Times article has given a mainstream voice to the problem and detailed the attack on feminist media critic Anita Sarkeesian, who, after conducting a successful Kickstarter campaign aimed at raising money to examine misogynist tropes in gaming, was in for it. The Kickstarter campaign garnered Sarkeesian plenty of attention, both from the gaming media and those who turned to online harassment in order to silence and denounce her. Her Wikipedia page was vandalized, her website hacked, and a Flash game was created where a player could beat a likeness of her black and blue. Mind you, Sarkeesian’s proposed project hasn’t even gotten off the ground—this is just the response to her planning and getting a decent sum of money to do so.

https://slate.com/human-interest/2012/08/sexual-harassment-in-the-gaming-world-a-real-life-problem-for-female-gamers.html

 

A new study suggests always-improving video games are keeping young men without college educations unemployed or out of the workforce entirely.

 

here's an unsettling trend among young American men without a college education: Many can't find work, or don't want jobs at all.

 

 

The numbers paint a dreary picture. Between 2000 and 2015, employment rates for lower-skilled men in their twenties dropped from 82 percent to 72 percent. In 2015, about one-fifth of them reported having not worked at all in the past 12 months. And, for the first time in decades, they're more likely to live with their parents than a romantic partner.

https://bigthink.com/stephen-johnson/video-games-keep-getting-better-but-men-keep-working-less

 

Men who watch too much pornography are increasingly experiencing impotence and erectile dysfunction. And it’s not just older guys who are needing help getting it up – the phenomenon is seeing more and more younger men experiencing problems downstairs than ever before.

 

Read more at: https://www.stayathomemum.com.au/my-lifestyle/many-young-men-experiencing-impotence-because-of-porn-addiction/

 

A 2011 survey of 28,000 Italian men found that an “excessive consumption” of pornography begins at around age 14, with a daily consumption in their early to mid 20s, which desensitised men to even the most violent images. The researchers found that this was contributing to male sexual dysfunction by lowering their libido, and eventually leading to an inability to become erect.

 

Read more at: https://www.stayathomemum.com.au/my-lifestyle/many-young-men-experiencing-impotence-because-of-porn-addiction/

[littleblackheart]

Yes, but why are there no feminists moving from the USA to the Middle-East and India, nor Africa? Are Muslim women not women? Are the lives of African women not prized enough for feminists in mass - especially the most vocal ones - to take bags and baggage to Iran or India, and to start a revolution to bring down the thousands of iron-fist rule men have exerted on women?

 

Why aren't western feminists worried that I can go to school and basically have girls walking around in thongs and no one bats an eye, but a girl in Iraq can't leave her house without being covered from head to toe with her face exposed is lucky because the Quran gives free license to men to do with women what they want, if they aren't walking around looking like a sack of potatoes?

 

I studied archeology in college, majoring in Islamic studies because for almost a thousand years the lands my ancestors came from were conquered and ruled by Muslims, and because of my exotic looks I was pretty much given free entry to the Islamic nations my college wanted me to work in, digging, meeting the locals. I met so many women from those Countries.

 

They were so unhappy, bro. Their lives even the women who were from rich families was nothing more than living to be sold off one day to a rich guy. How can feminism say that they want women to be free and happy when they don't have the balls to enter a middle-eastern Country and bring down the Patriarchy?

 

 

 

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2018-10-01/egypt-jails-woman-for-speaking-up-about-sexual-harassment/10324512

 

 

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2018-10-01/egypt-jails-woman-for-speaking-up-about-sexual-harassment/10324512

 

And I could go on and on about this. When are we going to do something about this? When are we going to bring down a culture that has raped and abused and beaten up women and girls for over 1400 years?

 

 

These women are so beautiful, with their thick, dark hair, their midnight eyes, and their skin that glows like Mediterranean Honey. And yet they're forced to cover themselves like they're animals because apparently the men they have to share a Country with aren't able of controlling themselves. It makes me so sad.

 

 

You are amalgamating a lot of things here - firstly, you are putting countries with completely different political / religious set-ups together. Secondly, most of these countries in the ME have a very deep colonial past and / or suffered incredible atrocities because of our greed and religious righteousness (mainly) - countries like Syria and Iraq were actually secular not 30 years ago. Thirdly, you are assuming there is no feminist movement in these countries - which is false.

[fromheart]

I’m one of the first women in my region to have paved the way for other females in my field. Not really sure why I never felt like I never struggled, but a part of me feels that because I didn't compare myself to a man, that may have contributed to my success and acceptance. I had my personal goals and dreams and I saw them through.

 

Not sure if your stats on late motherhood applies to because I was concieved when my mother was nearing 40 and had 3 more soon after. We are all healthy and it certainly did not stop me from becoming a cop at age 34. I was the oldest female by 12 years. This applies to my friends as females in our region have babies past their 40’s.

 

I feel that there may be a few good men out there, but most seem to ride the equality thing thinking that’s some sort of excuse to stop being a man-whatever that means. I’m personally turned off by going along with the 50/50 mentality. There is nothing 50/50 about a relationship. There would definitely not be anything 50/50 about me working while pregnant, taking a few weeks leave, then returning to work and the home chores and a mother. And on top of that hearing why the sex life is gone?

 

To each its own, but history has shown cruelty for women up to this day. These women rights and advantages are exclusive to certain societies and even so, its still a struggle. So yeah, women can get angry, and opportunists exists in both men and women, so sorry you feel your house is all there is at stake.

 

 

Well, you had me until the implication that I only cared about my house, obviously I have a concern for where this is all going.

 

Glad that you are healthy, but generally speaking a child and mother will be healthier if the woman is young. That's a biological fact. If I decide to have kids, I'll want what's best for the kids. A younger mother, will be best for the kids. Of course, a man says this and he faces the label of being 'sexist.'

 

Must be Mother Nature who's being sexist, as I'm pretty sure I didn't design women this way.

 

Men can get angry also, doesn't solve anything. History has shown much injustice, but to not recognize that the man walking down the street wasn't a 17th century witch hunter, is not the solution.

[sabaton]

There's not a problem with dating as such. It's far easier than ever before in western society, to have casual sex.

 

The problems tend to come with marriage and kids, as I said. Settling down.

 

The mid 30's women who are still single, are complaining that all men want to do is have sex. Yet they themselves, just spent their fertile years just having casual sex.

 

The mid 30s who are still single are women who haven't met yet the man they can see themselves married to, in the long-run. They aren't interested in a starter-marriage. That has nothing to do with feminism, and everything to do with women(smartly)wanting to make sure that they don't make the wrong choice when it comes to marriage by getting hitched with the first guy who comes along.

 

Yet they themselves, just spent their fertile years just having casual sex.

You honestly believe the reason women in the western democracies aren't getting married and having children while they're still in their early 20s is because of feminism, and seemingly because women are having casual sex instead of getting married?

 

What? How does that work? Most people in their early 20s have jobs that don't make enough for them to think about marriage and children. Most people in their early 20s haven't dated enough to know if this guy or gal is the right partner for them. Houses are way too expensive, unless you want to do it the Indian style and have 5 families living together in one house?

 

Why do you even want people to get married in their early 20s? What is it to you? Why does it bother you that much that those women aren't married and pregnant before they're even 25?

[fromheart]

Thirdly, you are assuming there is no feminist movement in these countries - which is false.

 

I'm actually in contact with a womans rights group in one of these countries, and will be volunteering with them.

They want rights for women, but are not interested in other aspects of western life. Family and sexuality are regarded as something different on other parts of the world. Nothing to do with new wave feminism in that regard.

[sabaton]

You are amalgamating a lot of things here - firstly, you are putting countries with completely different political / religious set-ups together. Secondly, most of these countries in the ME have a very deep colonial past and / or suffered incredible atrocities because of our greed and religious righteousness (mainly) - countries like Syria and Iraq were actually secular not 30 years ago. Thirdly, you are assuming there is no feminist movement in these countries - which is false.

 

Yes! And that's why the entire feminist population in the United States needs to move to those regions that we've messed up - they were already messed up but we helped the mess - and instill in the young men who treat women like cattle, to see those women and to treat them as well and as proper as the majority of the dudes in America and Europe treat women.

 

I remember going to parties and crashing with girls who were drunk alone on the couch, and I've known many more western men who've done the same, without even having a thought of hurting the girl crossing our minds. Ya think Muslim women would ever do this in their home Countries?

 

Why? Because societies that are patrhiarchal are pretty much awful in theit treatment of women and girls, and that's why feminism needs to be transplanted from the seat of western democracy and moved to the heart of Islam/Africa/South America/india(really, most Countries outside of europe, canada and the USA are extremely awful for women) and change it once and for all.

 

I am aware that their culture is different and all that, but culture is no excuse for the slaughter and rape and the selling off of millions of young women.

[Wallysbears]

There's not a problem with dating as such. It's far easier than ever before in western society, to have casual sex.

 

The problems tend to come with marriage and kids, as I said. Settling down.

 

The mid 30's women who are still single, are complaining that all men want to do is have sex. Yet they themselves, just spent their fertile years just having casual sex.

 

If anything, in the social circles I travel in, it is men having issues not being able to find women...not the other way around