Whatsname Posted March 27, 2019 Share Posted March 27, 2019 My wife recently went out with her girlfriends to a local pub and on her return she comes back with this tale. Her best friend has been married for nearly 20yrs to her first boyfriend, they have 3 kids 17,15,12 and live a comfortable life, very suburban, very ordinary. However whilst out for a drink it became very obvious that they were at this particular pub for a very specific reason, to meet with a man who is very friendly with her friend. During the evening her friend gets drunker and admitted eventually that her and her husband are having difficulties and unfortunately my name was mentioned. To cut it short last year I met up with her husband for a drink and he admitted to me that he texts (sexts) other women and has joined forums to interact with women and even pretends himself to be a woman to garner photos etc. from these women. This is something I cannot condone and it made me a bit mad that he should do this. My name came up as she had somehow figured this out and he assumed that I had informed her, I hadn't. His confession to me remained private even though I didn't agree with it. Apparently they have not had sex for months on end and he is always 'busy' when he gets home from work on his computer in his study whilst she is out doing her things, he works away from home several times a year visiting europe and china on business. How does this affect me you ask, well my wife now wonders whether our relationship is solid enough, are we ok and should we split because we argue a lot and feel unhappy about a lot of things. She seems to think that we are no different from them because if it can happen to the most perfect couple then it must be happening to us 'the imperfect couple'. By nature she is a jealous woman and accuses me of having affairs all of the time, I can assure you all I'm not (more about that later) and never have. I always try to find work close to home, I leave on time to get to work, leave work and come straight home, if there is extra work required I bring it home to do so she always knows where I am and I have a tracker app on my phone (we all do so we can keep an eye on the kids out and about). Whilst I go out on the odd Friday night with a couple of mates to the local, read dead, village pub that is a 10 minute walk away for around 2-3 hours, she will go out with her girls to the local towns where there is either a music venue or night club and often leaves in the early evening and comes back in the wee hours, all done up to the nines. She doesn't do it often, maybe once a month if that, but she has even been clubbing to Manchester a few years back. She does garner male attention, the other women have told me this, but she always rebuffs any advances, one of my mates started talking to her in fancy dress and she didn't recognise him - after a minute or two she told him to get lost and he had to take of the mask and reveal himself to her as a family friend, I'm not jealous of any male attention because I trust her completely I even tease her on occasion about this but she just gets angry. I cannot understand her insecurities over our relationship just because her friends marriage may be in trouble, I don't do anything like her friends husband - he is very secretive and will not give her passwords to anything that is his, he lies about coming home and who he is travelling with for business and he even asks my wife to go to bed with him in front of me and his wife (something that winds me up a bit) yet I am still in trouble for being me....... What more can I do to reassure her that I love her and am faithful and true? Link to post Share on other sites
d0nnivain Posted March 27, 2019 Share Posted March 27, 2019 It's a cliché but send her some flowers. Your wife is scared. Somebody she thought had a solid marriage is now showing that her marriage is falling apart. Your wife fears if it could happen to them it will happen to you. Just be kind to her & remind her that you love her. Make romance a priority again, even little things like sending her a loving text during the day, giving her a random hug, going for a walk after dinner. 1 Link to post Share on other sites
Mr. Lucky Posted March 27, 2019 Share Posted March 27, 2019 we argue a lot and feel unhappy about a lot of things Trouble isn't brewing, trouble has brewed. Rather than your wife's new concerns, why isn't the state of your marriage the focus of your post? You seem more preoccupied with her perception than your reality, not sure why that would be? Rather than vs. someone else's marriage, a more valid comparison would be against your own expectations of happiness and marital satisfaction. I'd worry less about them and more about the two of you... Mr. Lucky 2 Link to post Share on other sites
Author Whatsname Posted March 28, 2019 Author Share Posted March 28, 2019 Perhaps I am not clear enough, I for one am not bothered by the other couples problems, quite frankly he made his bed he can lie on it. My problems stem from my wife's view of their relationship, she believed they were solid, so in love, committed forever and perfectly matched - she is the one holding their problems up as a mirror to ours. We do argue, we are passionate people, our sex life is okay, usual I suppose sometimes we can't get enough of each other sometimes we are too tired to try, nothing that I am concerned about. I suppose the real problem is her view of herself, she is over critical, everything I say she sees as a dig even if I complement her about how she looks and tell her I love her she thinks I'm being nasty. Her confidence at work is low even though she has repeat clients and requests for her and she also thinks she is a bad mother. I am as open as I can be, I hide nothing from her yet she continuously thinks I am cheating, I am with her all the time when I'm not at work (except for the occasional visit to the pub on the odd Friday night or when tending my bees for an hour per week in the summer) I think this is too much, we need more time apart, some other outside interests each, I have my bees but she just sits in front of her phone or the TV all the time. Link to post Share on other sites
d0nnivain Posted March 28, 2019 Share Posted March 28, 2019 No, you were clear. I'm telling you, your wife thought her friends had a rock solid marriage. Now that she has learned otherwise, she is scared that your marriage may be in jeopardy. If they can fail she fears you can too. It's not based on a rational thing, that you can put your finger on just a generalized uncertainty. If you take some steps to romance her & reassure her, it will go a long way to making her feel more secure. She may be accusing you of cheating because she does not know what happened to the romantic guy you were back when you were dating. She fears the spark went out. Show her that is not so. 3 Link to post Share on other sites
Mr. Lucky Posted March 28, 2019 Share Posted March 28, 2019 We do argue, we are passionate people, our sex life is okay, usual I suppose sometimes we can't get enough of each other sometimes we are too tired to try, nothing that I am concerned about. You seem blasé about your marriage in general and convinced all the issues lie with her. d0nnivain makes some good points, she may simply be looking for some fire and more involvement from you. Beyond her concerns about your fidelity, I wonder how your wife would characterize your role in the relationship? Mr. Lucky Link to post Share on other sites
Author Whatsname Posted March 28, 2019 Author Share Posted March 28, 2019 I may be blase about my marriage, I don't get too hung up on things that bother her. My role in the marriage is that I do whatever has to be done but don't moan about it whilst everything she does comes with comments and accusations of no-one helping her (rather than asking for help) I will give an example: Scenario- cooking dinner, my wife will start the dinner, commenting that she might as well get on with it as no one else is going to, whilst cooking she will pile all of the items used on the side. She will then complain loudly about no-one helping whilst setting the table, she will dish everything up scream at everyone for them to come to the table whilst bemoaning that she received no help and has to do everything herself. After dinner she will shout at everyone to clear the table whilst doing it herself and loading the dishwasher. I on the other hand cook a dinner, clean whilst going along, set the table, put out drinks, plate up and call everyone to the table whilst leaving only the plates and cutlery being used to be washed up after eating. Once finished I will ask the children to clear down the table load the dishwasher and wipe down the surface whilst I do other bits. All without comment about whats been happening in my life or how I feel upset about having to cook yet again.... I wash clothes, clean parts of the house, do all of the ironing read with my youngest help the older two with homework and try to work a steady job (something difficult at the moment) carry out the gardening, keep the cars running do DIY general householder stuff. I don't see a problem with our marriage, I do see a problem with her attitude towards my display of affection - I''m not overly demonstrative but when you keep going in for a cuddle and a kiss and get pushed away you soon give up trying. I've never been overly romantic, I have always form the beginning called her 'darling' 'my love' or other pet names, rarely using her name just the sweet nothings. She seems to want the knight in shining armour kind of love, which lets face facts, this never last for long when you get together - I genuinely cannot see myself with anyone else for the rest of my life but rather alone if this fails. Not that I think it will, we like different things but can come together often enough to be comfortable with each other. Link to post Share on other sites
d0nnivain Posted March 28, 2019 Share Posted March 28, 2019 I don't see a problem with our marriage, I do see a problem with her attitude towards my display of affection - I''m not overly demonstrative but when you keep going in for a cuddle and a kiss and get pushed away you soon give up trying. I've never been overly romantic, I have always form the beginning called her 'darling' 'my love' or other pet names, rarely using her name just the sweet nothings. While she sounds like a complainer, the fact that you don't see a problem with your marriage while she is concerned means there is a problem. It could just be that she likes to complain. Even though you are not the "white knight" type, you can still do a few simple things like get her flowers. Seriously, my husband is a stoic unemotional Marine veteran. He jokingly calls himself Mr. No-manse, a play on romance. Still he manages an occasional romantic gesture. Try it. It may reduce the general kvetching. 1 Link to post Share on other sites
Author Whatsname Posted March 29, 2019 Author Share Posted March 29, 2019 While she sounds like a complainer, the fact that you don't see a problem with your marriage while she is concerned means there is a problem. It could just be that she likes to complain. It's not that I don't see a problem, there are a few issues that need addressing but it's the constant comparison to other peoples lives that gets me. I would love to sit down and discuss our issues, with a third person present, but she sees everything I say as an attack. Today for example i asked about the kids easter holidays and when the bank holidays occurred (they are late this year) when she told me the dates I replied "oh really" and before I could finish my sentence she is up in arms about it and shouting at me that I don't believe her and I never do and its not fair that I don't listen or believe her. I was only trying to say "oh really, that's late this year and shortly after we have another bank holiday" but as usual I didn't get the chance. I have asked for couples counselling to try and get someone to explain to her that every word I utter is not an accusation of stupidity or a challenge to what she has said, nor a put down but she wont go. She has in the past had MH issues but wont go to the doctor for any help or counselling herself and definitely refuses to take antidepressants, although she can see the difference in her friends who take them. I'm working at home today and all I can hear is her huffing around the house because I am not paying her any attention...... Link to post Share on other sites
doyathinkso Posted March 29, 2019 Share Posted March 29, 2019 So go pay her some attention already. Give and take. Right? Communication skills would seem to be lacking on both your parts. This is not irreparable. 1 Link to post Share on other sites
Mr. Lucky Posted March 29, 2019 Share Posted March 29, 2019 My role in the marriage is that I do whatever has to be done but don't moan about it whilst everything she does comes with comments and accusations of no-one helping her (rather than asking for help) Again, you see her as 100% to blame for all the problems. In my experience, one partner is rarely the source of all the issues in a marriage, it's a joint effort. What I asked you was how your wife would characterize your role in the relationship? Mr. Lucky 1 Link to post Share on other sites
FMW Posted March 29, 2019 Share Posted March 29, 2019 Maybe suggest regular date nights so the two of you can get out and do something nice together, just the two of you. It might put her in a more relaxed and receptive mood to talk about things. Link to post Share on other sites
Author Whatsname Posted March 29, 2019 Author Share Posted March 29, 2019 Again, you see her as 100% to blame for all the problems. In my experience, one partner is rarely the source of all the issues in a marriage, it's a joint effort I hold some of the blame, I'm too distant at times, not because I don't want to be difficult but I am thinking of something else or distracted with something. She always wants to talk when I am working or watching TV, but when she's watching TV no one is allowed to disturb her. I am quick to temper at times, frustrated that the kids don't listen to what I say and repeatedly break my things even though they have their own and mine is off limits, I end up out of pocket. If we could just get past this self pity/image bit things would be a little better. Going out together doesn't happen often, last week we went out to a quiz night, she looked like she was doing the housework whilst I made an effort and tomorrow night she's out with her girlfriends and will be all dolled up to the nines..... i might just turn up and surprise her..... Link to post Share on other sites
elaine567 Posted March 29, 2019 Share Posted March 29, 2019 Break ups, divorce, separations etc. can be contagious amongst couples. It has a destabilising effect and causes others to reassess their own relationships. Your wife is now questioning your marriage. You have to take that on board, listen to her and try to save your marriage. I guess you keeping her friend's husband's secret from her has not helped her trust in you either... Link to post Share on other sites
Mr. Lucky Posted March 29, 2019 Share Posted March 29, 2019 If we could just get past this self pity/image bit things would be a little better. She may see it as a natural reaction to your distance. You pull away and she grabs on, made worse by the demise of your friend's marriage. Really the type of situation MC best equipped to deal with. And, no surprise, communication at the heart of it... Mr. Lucky Link to post Share on other sites
emeraldgreen Posted March 30, 2019 Share Posted March 30, 2019 I kinda get where you're coming from. I was married to a woman similar to yours and I had to tread a fine line of being emotionally available but also not legitimising every silly thought that popped into her head by apologising or trying to work it out when there was nothing legitimate to warrant her paranoia. In the end, her woe is me shtick was too much and I wasn't interested in pandering. Link to post Share on other sites
Author Whatsname Posted April 24, 2019 Author Share Posted April 24, 2019 Its been a week or two since my last post and its been a bit of a ride to say the least. 3 weeks ago our boiler sprung a leak and needed replacing, I think this together with the lack of work I am experiencing at the moment and a few other niggles caused my wife to shut down and she suffered a breakdown. It took a few days to recognise the symptoms and get her to a doctor and a few more days for the drugs to take effect but she is well on the way to recovery now. However whilst she was ill she kept mentioning the fact that I would be upset if I found out that she had had an affair, not suspicions that I had an affair but rather that she had. When she started feeling better I asked her ab out this, she said she knew what she was saying she didn't understand why she was saying as she's never had an affair. Part of the breakdown was due to he feelings of inadequacy in almost every aspect of her life, partnering me, child rearing, work and her general over view of herself. No matter how much I reassure her she is loved and doing a good job she just feels crap about everything. Hopefully she will now take up the counselling she is being offered to try and get better! Link to post Share on other sites
Mr. Lucky Posted April 24, 2019 Share Posted April 24, 2019 3 weeks ago our boiler sprung a leak and needed replacing, I think this together with the lack of work I am experiencing at the moment and a few other niggles caused my wife to shut down and she suffered a breakdown. Unless you're the master of understatement, none of the above explains a mental breakdown. Could your wife be abusing prescription or street drugs? I'd guess there's more to the story... Mr. Lucky Link to post Share on other sites
BaileyB Posted April 24, 2019 Share Posted April 24, 2019 Unless you're the master of understatement, none of the above explains a mental breakdown. Could your wife be abusing prescription or street drugs? I'd guess there's more to the story... Mr. Lucky I totally agree. Or perhaps, she has a secret that she has been hiding from you and she is actually having an affair, which explains her extreme sensitivity to the subject and feelings of inadequacy/guilt as a wife and mother. Link to post Share on other sites
Author Whatsname Posted April 25, 2019 Author Share Posted April 25, 2019 There is a HUGE reason for her insecurities which I will NOT divulge here (or anywhere else for that matter) this happened in her formative years and she carries these scars with her always. She is neither abusing prescription nor illicit drugs, I know this for sure. She is nothing but honest with me, and I believe her. My first wife was a classic liar and was caught out time and time again by me so I know the signs of duplicity and connivance which liars use. She is the youngest of 4, all the other are male the oldest (my age) basically still lives at home and has his parents do everything for him, the second is a classic middle child - everybody gets more attention than him, and the youngest male is so laid back he's basically pussy whipped by his other half. Just over 7 years ago a huge fight erupted with the second son her parents and somehow we got dragged into it and two brothers will now have nothing to do with us, this breaks her heart and she has many sleepless nights thinking about this and why it happened. We weren't involved in the fight in any way but have suffered the fall out - my attitude is '**** them' we don't need them in our lives but she is on FakeBook and sees all the happy posts all the time and it upsets her. She takes everything to heart, I asked her to top up my cup with more water when she was making tea - she took it as a criticism that she cant make tea, her mother come up behind her when she was peeling potatoes and cut them up smaller, rather than telling her mum to stop she said nothing but cried later as she thought her mum was being critical. Everything she does she second guesses peoples comments. I tell her that what happened wasn't her fault but she see it differently and this affects her whole personality and outlook on life. Link to post Share on other sites
Just a Guy Posted April 25, 2019 Share Posted April 25, 2019 Hi Whatsname, with everything that you have written about your wife, it is obvious that she is suffering from some serious neurosis. She needs to be under the care of a good, highly qualified psychiatrist who would have to delve deep into her psyche to determine what is causing her to suffer like this. This is something serious that is beyond her capability or yours,, for that matter, to handle by yourselves. If you truly love your wife then get her to a psychiatrist asap. This is just my opinion. Others may have a different view. Best wishes. Link to post Share on other sites
loversquarrel Posted April 25, 2019 Share Posted April 25, 2019 OP, I fear the worst has happened here, I believe your wife when she said she had an affair, spontaneous utterances should be believed. I would have thought she was pretty close to cheating on you due to her treatment of you and the face she tends to go out dressed to the nines at bars til the wee hours of the morning. I think you should believe her confession and start to consider your wife may be BPD. Link to post Share on other sites
BaileyB Posted April 25, 2019 Share Posted April 25, 2019 I can well imagine what has happened to her in the past that would contribute to her extreme sensitivity, insecurity, and for lack of a better word, people pleasing behavior. Still, you must realize that this kind of anxiety is FAR from what would be considered normal behavior for an adult woman. I do hope that she goes for counselling, if she has this much anxiety it must be absolutely crippling for her... Link to post Share on other sites
salparadise Posted April 26, 2019 Share Posted April 26, 2019 (edited) There is a HUGE reason for her insecurities which I will NOT divulge here (or anywhere else for that matter) this happened in her formative years and she carries these scars with her always. I tell her that what happened wasn't her fault but she see it differently and this affects her whole personality and outlook on life. ...consider your wife may be BPD. It's not that perceiving differently affects her personality... it's the other way around; her personality is predisposed to the self-loathing and extreme feelings of inadequacy. It's a fundamental deficit of identity and self-worth. I suspect that trauma in her formative years is the root of her issues. I wouldn't jump to any conclusions as to whether she's had an affair. She may have been saying that to get a reaction, to see if you'd come unhinged... which would be something of an affirmation that you care. I do think that getting dressed up and going out to the bars and inviting male attention is a way of seeking validation. She doesn't believe in her intrinsic value as a person, so she's seeking validation through sexualization and inviting male attention. These behaviors and extreme insecurities are consistent with BPD. They sound very much like my ex-wife (with the exception of overt sexualization as a means of validation). I was thinking as I read your descriptions that it sounds all too familiar. I definitely believe that she should be under psychiatric care, and I think she should take the MMPI-2 which will almost certainly identify the issues. Regardless of whether she gets an official diagnosis, you would benefit from reading a book entitled "Stop Walking on Eggshells." How you deal with her is critical. You need to be affirming and set appropriate boundaries at the same time. The right kind of professional services will be key to her learning to manage her thoughts and feelings. I wish you both the best. Edited April 26, 2019 by salparadise Link to post Share on other sites
Author Whatsname Posted May 2, 2019 Author Share Posted May 2, 2019 I wouldn't jump to any conclusions as to whether she's had an affair. I haven't a single thought about her having an affair, a close friend of hers had one for 18 months before her marriage ended and blamed the husband for the marriage breakdown, my wife was less than impressed by the infidelity and thinks the same as me, end any relationship before starting another. We have seen a psychiatrist this week, her meds have been changed a bit and a plan to review her in 4 weeks and then arrange therapy and courses to help with the anxiety and self awareness and respect, hopefully we can have some joint counselling too so she can get a better understanding of my feeling for her and I can perhaps learn to communicate them better to make us both happier. We were told that once you've suffered a psychosis then the chances of more are increased. The financial woes will take a little longer to straighten out but things are changing there slowly too so finger crossed. She is willing, at the moment to take on the therapy and help being offered and as long as this lasts I think she will start to get a lot better and hopefully begin to make a good recovery and stay well for the foreseeable future. I just need her to stop worrying that what happens to other peoples relationships will not necessarily happen to us! Link to post Share on other sites
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