Madame Sophie

[Hotdiggitydammit]

After coming to the realization that I had issues, I've been reading up and found that I, who thought it was everyone else, clearly have some personal issues that I need to deal with in the early stage. The guidelines state that a person who exhibits 5 of the following characteristics fall under the criteria of Borderline Personality Disorder.

 

1. frantic efforts to avoid real or imagined abandonment.

2. a pattern of unstable and intense interpersonal relationships characterized by alternating between extremes of idealization and devaluation

3. identity disturbance: markedly and persistently unstable self-image or sense of self

4. impulsivity in at least two areas that are potentially self-damaging (e.g., spending, sex, substance abuse, reckless driving, binge eating).

5. recurrent suicidal behavior, gestures, or threats, or self-mutilating behavior

6. affective instability due to a marked reactivity of mood (e.g., intense episodic dysphoria, irritability, or anxiety usually lasting a few hours and only rarely more than a few days)

7. chronic feelings of emptiness

8. inappropriate, intense anger or difficulty controlling anger (e.g., frequent displays of temper, constant anger, recurrent physical fights)

9. transient, stress-related paranoid ideation or severe dissociative symptoms

 

Well I definitely have five. I just didn't want to self diagnose so I went to a professional and it was assessed that I did seem to be BPD. However, as it was not his concentration, I was told that I would need to consult with someone who specialize in BPD. So far, I was able to find a person, but I was told that we need to meet and see there is a good rapport in order to continue. So I immediately told the dr. that I have to fight this now. The sooner we start the better. Hopefully, everything works out later this week.

 

I have been reading posts about some qualities that people have and how all the posters totally flame people who may be BPD. Calling people pyscho and crazy and that one should avoid these people altogether. I use to express the same feelings until now. I am a person just like everyone else. It so happens that I have BPD. However, I am different because once I recognized that I did have these problems, I have taken the approach to learn more about this condition and seek professional help. I am not sitting idle and not coming to the realization of this fact. If it were not the fact that I fell into a state of psychosis that I had delusions that my ex set this all up (very impressed and clever) I wouldn't have ever gone out to seek treatment. I look at the fact that once I realized, I am doing these things for myself, but also because I truly did love my ex. During my delusions, I put myself into her body and saw all the times I was such a diY%head to her and I felt all the pain she felt. I hurt me so much knowing I caused all that hurt.

 

I never intended to ever harm her. Never once laid a hand on her violently, and had always tried to refrain from yelling at her. The fact of the matter is that I really did love her too much that I always consciously think that I didn't want to harm her. I understood that I had to hold it in. When you know you hurt the love, it puts you in agony. Just because a person has BPD doesn't mean that he or she is void of reason, immoral, or out of control. From reading the posts, everyone acts as if I had no feelings and all it was were symptoms of BPD. It hurts to know that people feel that way about me. Because I do know that I use reason, understand the difference between right and wrong, I am in control for the most part. It feels as if people think that I want to be this way. I read everything and it comes out that I just don't know what is going on. But I do knew to never raise my voice higher than my ex. I knew that I had to refrain from eve touching her in violence. I knew that I had to stay in control. Its just I couldn't keep control. What I am saying is that although, I am BPD, I didn't ask to have it. If I manipulated, none it was intentional. I know I love her because I am in constant agony during those times I knew she was hurting. That is why I know I truly love her. None of my intentions I had were to cause any harm to her. I sit here now agonizing how it feels of my actions. And, the feelings I get are not the ones where you feel ashamed or sad, but it is even more unpleasant than being heartbroken. At least being heartbroken, you are sad but there is no guilt. With me right now, it literally burns, and the pain in my heart, together with guilt and heartbreak is actually torture. If I would have realized earlier, I know for a fact that I would have sought help. But just because everything that happened between us cannot just be brushed aside. I truly loved her. I know what I felt was the innocence of love. I fell madly in love with her and everything was love. It came straight from my heart with the best intentions. It was what I didn't learn about myself that detroyed everything beautiful about what we had. It destroyed me because I wasn't myself. If you felt what I felt, then you all would know it was true love. There is no other bliss. Why would I ever want just ruin what was the best thing that ever happened in my life. I am not sitting here sulking because I am lame. This is about the fact that when you meet your true love, there is this undeniable connection between two people that can never be explained. Why else is it I know she writes sentences full of commas. That she tugs on her hair everytime it gets cut that she copies me in the small things like brushing her tongue. Why is it that everything she does I find adopting her good qualities because I want her to be part of me. I always found myself doing things that I would never see in myself. I wanted to change and take that goodness in her and put it in me. This isn't because I am BPD. It was true love and she was my soul mate. Why on earth would I want to throw all that away. It just hurts to think that people just assumed nothing other than I was a bad person. I have real feelings. I have real and honest intentions. I am sorry I have BPD. I hate it so much that I have it and it kills me so much because I didn't come to this realization. I would never want to hurt harm her. Recently, I heard her scream and begged like I never before. I cannot even explain the hurt because I could see that she was so scared. It even scared me.

 

I know that I lost the greatest thing that was in my life. Someone once said "You were too dumb to realize it" I wish I could even say that because I didn't realize anything. Sometimes people need to be shown the light before they could see. That is why I love we were made for each other, because she is the only person that could rise to the occasion to plan her plot to help me. When I did understand, I knew right away that I needed help because there is no one else who can really understand me and vice versa. I have never seen her to possess all the greatness in her, and I am amazed by her. I do know I love her. I am not going to let anyone put any poisonous thought into what occured. The beautiness of it all can never be explained unless you experienced it. I am so grateful to have been part of the experience. If there was anything I wish for other than her is to have identied this earlier. Now I just scared her away and feel so defeated. However, I am not going to lose the battle with BPD. I loathe the fact that it is even part of me. The torture it has done to me that I will never quit the fight to be rid of this from me. I have the same feelings you all do. I cannot just be exempt from having the same feelings as a normal person. It sickens me hear people cast a shadow over the passion I had for this amazing woman. She is the epitome of beauty. Now, I get to live with the loss and have this guilt. I can defeat this because it was her strength that helped me realize. I love her with all my heart and nothing less. I am so sorry Sunshine. Please one day forgive me so the pain will go away. But I know all I have left is to fight. But there is nothing worse than this demoralizing defeat. MY LOVE WAS REAL so all you who have spit on it can all go to bloody He&&.

[RecordProducer]

Some points are quite double-sensed. If you are afraid of abandonment due to previous experience, feel empty and angry for a reason, have idealized people then felt huge disappointment, and are crazy about shopping or eating, it doesn't necessarily make you mentally ill. Just because the listed symptoms apply in cases with BPD doesn't mean everyone who experiences 5 of them has a disorder.

 

We all know what suicidal attempts are, but do we all know what they mean by identity disturbance or transient, stress-related paranoid ideation or severe dissociative symptoms?

When you know you hurt the love, it puts you in agony. Just because a person has BPD doesn't mean that he or she is void of reason, immoral, or out of control. From reading the posts, everyone acts as if I had no feelings and all it was were symptoms of BPD. It hurts to know that people feel that way about me.

 

You are not even sure you have this disorder. You want to believe you do, because it's easier for you to think that it was something else that is guilty fo your improper behavior. You are merely looking for excuses. You like to believe that you being unfair was due to some chemical imbalance in your brain. It's not in your favor to be mentally ill so instead of proving to the whole world that you're ill rather deal with your character flaws, take responsibility for your actions, and work on your personality.

 

I get the impression that you are trying to accept the line of least resistance in order to "wash your hands" from your sins. We all have faults and we need to deal with them - fix them or accept them.

 

I am not a doctor, but I believe if you had any disorder, you wouldn't have been aware of how your behavior must have felt for your partner. You might have other issues though. Sometimes we punish the wrong people for the hurt others have caused us, especially if it has happened in our childhood. Sometimes we are not aware that others have greatly contributed to out abusive behavior. Some people have the talent to piss you off silently and with this I-am-a-victim style.

 

You remorse for your actions so that's a good sign. Next time conrtol yourself. In my opinion, it would be good to consult a therapist about any possible underlying issues that might interfere with your communication skills.

[Hotdiggitydammit]

I am absolutely not saying BPD is everything. Because if you look at "isn't it ironic" post, I made another connection. I was a lazy fudgetard and no one else could whip me bouncy B unless for one person. I too had my own chances so I am saying I would have to accept the responsibility for leaving. But I do know that taking that step is scary and confusing and I could have put it on the back burner, or I dont want to waste my money because I have too big an ego and that I can do it reading books on my own. But I feel that the Dr. I spoke with has a good rapport with me. The Dr. takes all types people, its just that she has a good reputation with BPD. I researched as much on all the different types of disorders, but I see BPD as closest. As I also said, I dont want to self diagnose, but at least I am pushing myself to take steps to learn more. I didn't want to cry anymore. If I wanted to act like a baby, then I might as well buy some diapers.

[lindya]

I I feel that the Dr. I spoke with has a good rapport with me. The Dr. takes all types people, its just that she has a good reputation with BPD. I researched as much on all the different types of disorders, but I see BPD as closest. As I also said, I dont want to self diagnose, but at least I am pushing myself to take steps to learn more. I didn't want to cry anymore. If I wanted to act like a baby, then I might as well buy some diapers.

 

I don't have a psychiatric background, but it seems logical to assume that some people would suffer more a BPD severely, and be far less responsive to treatment, than others. The degree of self-awareness and concern for others that has pushed you into investigating whether you suffer from a BPD is surely very encouraging.

 

Best of luck, and well done for taking steps to get this checked out by the people who have the skills and expertise to provide a diagnosis.

[RecordProducer]

I researched as much on all the different types of disorders, but I see BPD as closest. As I also said, I dont want to self diagnose, but at least I am pushing myself to take steps to learn more.

 

And again... you're trying to discover a mental disorder. Why the self-diagnostics before a shrink tells you if you're really ill? Most people don't want to believe they have something, but you do! Go visit a doctor thn talk! I hope you are a refectly healthy jerk!

What's the link to your previous thread?

[d'Arthez]

Some points are quite double-sensed. If you are afraid of abandonment due to previous experience, feel empty and angry for a reason, have idealized people then felt huge disappointment, and are crazy about shopping or eating, it doesn't necessarily make you mentally ill. Just because the listed symptoms apply in cases with BPD doesn't mean everyone who experiences 5 of them has a disorder.

Everyone who has 5 out of 9 characteristics should be diagnosed with BPD, according to (I think this is taken from DSM) the rules of diagnosing, provided they happen to be diagnosed by a professional. That is the diagnostic rule: at least 5 out of 9 characteristics. It does not mean that the case of someone who has 5 out of 9 characteristics is as likely to be as severe as someone who has 9 out of 9 characteristics.

 

You are not even sure you have this disorder. You want to believe you do, because it's easier for you to think that it was something else that is guilty fo your improper behavior. You are merely looking for excuses.

That is nonsense. Explanations matter. To make sense of the past, to recognize patterns, and if something might happen in the future to be prepared for that. In short, be able to control yourself more, and minimize damage as long as you do suffer from the (presumed) disorder. In the case of BPD, we are not talking about getting upset because a traffic light is inconveniently out of order. But about serious hurt a person can inflict on his or her loved ones, not to mention themselves.

 

You like to believe that you being unfair was due to some chemical imbalance in your brain. It's not in your favor to be mentally ill so instead of proving to the whole world that you're ill rather deal with your character flaws, take responsibility for your actions, and work on your personality.

Please show me the proof that it is just a chemical imbalance in the head. And that nothing else causes (!) BPD. I think you would win at least one Nobel Prize for that. Personality disorders are not cured by a whimsical acknowledgement of issues. The effects of abuse don't magically disappear when you, after years of abuse would say: "My husband abused me." Wish it were otherwise, but you get the picture. If Hotdiggitydammit is indeed suffering from BPD, it is more beneficial that he seeks help for his issues, than that he does nothing. Or has absolutely no clue what is ailing him, as he then would be going through all kinds of diagnostic procedures, before a professional can start helping him.

 

I get the impression that you are trying to accept the line of least resistance in order to "wash your hands" from your sins. We all have faults and we need to deal with them - fix them or accept them.

And I get the impression that you are not a qualified psychiatrist. It must be absurd that you ascribe the coughing that is caused by a cold, as being caused by a cold. Naturally the diagnosis that you suffer from a cold, is absurd then. As you are coughing. And that is not necessarily caused by the cold.

 

I am not a doctor, but I believe if you had any disorder, you wouldn't have been aware of how your behavior must have felt for your partner.

Not true. Unless the person would suffer from severe autism.

 

You might have other issues though.

A statement with "might" is always irrefutable.

 

You remorse for your actions so that's a good sign. Next time conrtol yourself.

Brilliant! Tell the narcissistic husband that he should behave himself. And naturally he will . Well Ms. Psychiatrist / Therapist, it is not that simple.

 

In my opinion, it would be good to consult a therapist about any possible underlying issues that might interfere with your communication skills.

Definitely true. But if you feel you might suffer from BPD, make the appointments with the qualified professionals as you have done.

[Hotdiggitydammit]

With the help of many people, especially, the one person I who wants me to be the best person I can be, i thought back and realized that she was concerned. I can feel that she was hurting about how I always just never thought about it. I want her to feel comfortable talking to me if we were in an argument because looking back now, I remember she really held back to tell me things out of fear. It was frustrating for me because I didn't really find out the issues she had. I guess I had a moment of bliss while we was explaining what I did......Those experiments in anger when I was younger may actually be valid. That my ex looked at me funny that day and didn't make a comment...or the fact that my punching the couch is dangerously close to something I truly believe is something I could ever do. Should I just sit around and let it happen or at least explore it further. Regardless, maybe getting help now will give me the necessary coping skills to not act out the impulses to punch the pillow because I love her too much. I would rather be safe than later hearing myself saying I am sorry and that it was a mistake....and blah, blah, blah. I want to make myself right as well. There must be a reason why people thought some past behaviors were odd. I thought I was just being a kid and now I am older and it still happens and I am sober, I don't find that to be attractive for myself. Put everything together, if I ever got another chance, hopefully, we will never have to look back to the past for reasons that she needs to leave me. I want to be working on new issues rather old issues if we get to that point. I am just more aware of how she felt about things in the past, and I don't want to revisit those times because I can only imagine and already feel sick but I don't think I could handle actually physically harming her. Like in the Boys Scouts, the motto is BE PREPARED. So I am getting prepared for any healthy relationship or becoming a normal person for that matter.

[d'Arthez]

You seem to have a "healthy attitude" concerning your issues. Acknowledging your issues is half the problem. In that sense you must try to remain optimistic, and that you can discover coping strategies, and even better to resolve the issues that are hunting you now.

 

It does not mean, that once you have acknowledged your issues, everything will go smoothly, and that you won't be facing an occasional set back. In your personal life, or when discovering what is causing you to behave as you did.

 

In general it is true that people who realize they have severe issues and are very willing to work on them, have the best chances to recover.

 

Like in the Boys Scouts, the motto is BE PREPARED. So I am getting prepared for any healthy relationship or becoming a normal person for that matter.

That is the correct attitude. Do this for yourself, and the rewards you reap will be yours too.

[Outcast]

I am not a doctor, but I believe if you had any disorder, you wouldn't have been aware of how your behavior must have felt for your partner

 

Not only are you not a doctor but you appear to know absolutely nothing about psychiatric conditions, which is why you should not bother weighing in on these threads. You could do a lot of harm to someone by spouting off your own brand of 'opinion' about serious medical matters. Best you should remain silent than offer your unhelpful AND POSSIBLY HARMFUL 'advice'.

[Art_Critic]

Not only are you not a doctor but you appear to know absolutely nothing about psychiatric conditions, which is why you should not bother weighing in on these threads. You could do a lot of harm to someone by spouting off your own brand of 'opinion' about serious medical matters. Best you should remain silent than offer your unhelpful AND POSSIBLY HARMFUL 'advice'.

Bitter Outcast.. Nobody here is a doctor.. This is a web forum.

If you read RP's next post she tells him to seek out a doctor to be evaluated..

 

How is that bad advice that could harm him ? Explain please

[Outcast]

There's nothing bitter about hating people who misinform others in these situations. I don't care whether she finally said he should see a shrink (which he's already doing anyway), comments like

You are merely looking for excuses. You like to believe that you being unfair was due to some chemical imbalance in your brain.

and

I get the impression that you are trying to accept the line of least resistance in order to "wash your hands" from your sins.

and

I am not a doctor, but I believe if you had any disorder, you wouldn't have been aware of how your behavior must have felt for your partner

show a lack of understanding about mental illnesses as well as zero empathy. Look at how he writes; there is definitely disorder in that. It's neither an 'excuse' nor an attempt to escape from responsibility. But people like RP who shame people with disorders that way often prevent the folks who need help from getting it by telling them to just fly straight and that disorders are BS. It just contributes to the continued stigmatization of people who do have psychiatric ailments and who will be much better off by acknowledging them and getting them treated.

[RecordProducer]

Bitter Outcast.. Nobody here is a doctor.. This is a web forum.

If you read RP's next post she tells him to seek out a doctor to be evaluated..

 

How is that bad advice that could harm him ? Explain please

 

Thanks, Arty! If you have followed Outcast's "work" on LS, you could see that she always quotes me and spites me. I've never had anyone so obsessed with me in my whole life!

 

As you can see, she didn't offer any advice, but was very anal about criticizing my advice.

[Art_Critic]

zero empathy.

 

I understand where you are coming from outcast .. I do think the Empathy wasn't shown in those posts.. But even still.. who says your opinion is the right one ??

I don't see how RP's advice would do this person harm ?? This person (OP)

seems to have a decent grasp on his own self awareness and as such he most likely will just ignore her advice. After all isn't that what LS is all about .. A diverse audience of opinions ?

 

You are not a doctor either..and who is to say that your own view of RP's posts is correct ?.. And yes I do agree that her posts were lacking in some empathy some of which could be atributed to the wording but at least she gave her advice..

[Outcast]

He's already gotten good advice from some other folks. He's going to see a therapist. I don't see any point in offering redundant advice here but I will chime in when I see lack of empathy or bad information and there are a couple people on LS who seem to offer a lot of bad information. There's opinion and there's informed opinion and I happen to think that in matters such as these, it is not a good thing to offer an uninformed opinion just for the sake of spouting something on every thread.

 

I am no professional, but I have done a great deal of study about mental ailments and especially about how people with them are shamed into not seeking help by people who tell them they're just looking for 'excuses'. It infuriates me that someone would be so cavalier with someone else's life just for the sake of voicing a seriously uninformed 'opinion'.

 

And I have known people whose lives could have been improved immensely had they only sought help but because some idiot made them think it was 'weak' or an 'excuse' to do so, went on to suffer a great deal in their lives.

[RecordProducer]

Please show me the proof that it is just a chemical imbalance in the head. And that nothing else causes (!) BPD. I think you would win at least one Nobel Prize for that. Personality disorders are not cured by a whimsical acknowledgement of issues. The effects of abuse don't magically disappear when you, after years of abuse would say: "My husband abused me."

 

"Research has found low levels of the chemical serotonin in people diagnosed with BPD who have committed impulsive acts of violence". (I never said nothing else causes disorders).

An American psychiatrist, Dr Leland Heller, believes that BPD is a 'neurological illness', probably a form of epilepsy, and that it can be managed with appropriate medication and talking treatments.

 

I also didn't say he should deny it; I said he shouldn't make self-diagnosis, but rather be examined by a doctor. And doctors say:

 

"If you feel you have BPD from reading this booklet, be wary of making a self-diagnosis; talk to someone who is medically qualified. Strictly speaking, a medical diagnosis can only be given by somebody who has been medically trained, a GP or psychiatrist. However, because the term 'borderline' comes from psychoanalytic thinking, you may have this term applied to you by someone who has not been medically trained. There is a recognised and very worrying danger of mistaken diagnosis."

 

"Whilst some people may see themselves in the symptoms of BPD and feel relieved to have a label to apply to the problems they experience, others may be devastated at the idea that their personality is disordered."

 

I said he might feel relieved to have a label to apply to the problems he experiences! Interesting that doctors have said that too and I didn't read their statement before I wrote mine.

 

Here's the link to the web site: http://www.mind.org.uk/Information/Booklets/Understanding/Understanding+borderline+personality+disorder.htm

[d'Arthez]

"Research has found low levels of the chemical serotonin in people diagnosed with BPD who have committed impulsive acts of violence". (I never said nothing else causes disorders).

You did not, but you did imply by stating:

 

You are not even sure you have this disorder. You want to believe you do, because it's easier for you to think that it was something else that is guilty fo your improper behavior. You are merely looking for excuses. You like to believe that you being unfair was due to some chemical imbalance in your brain. It's not in your favor to be mentally ill so instead of proving to the whole world that you're ill rather deal with your character flaws, take responsibility for your actions, and work on your personality.

Furthermore, you cannot draw any causal conclusions from that research. And saying that a person wants to believe that he suffers from a disorder, so he has a valid excuse is so enlightened.

 

I get the impression that you are trying to accept the line of least resistance in order to "wash your hands" from your sins. We all have faults and we need to deal with them - fix them or accept them.

 

I also didn't say he should deny it; I said he shouldn't make self-diagnosis, but rather be examined by a doctor.

No, but you did call the idea that he might suffer from BPD an excuse. Does not make any sense.

 

And doctors say:

 

"If you feel you have BPD from reading this booklet, be wary of making a self-diagnosis; talk to someone who is medically qualified. Strictly speaking, a medical diagnosis can only be given by somebody who has been medically trained, a GP or psychiatrist. However, because the term 'borderline' comes from psychoanalytic thinking, you may have this term applied to you by someone who has not been medically trained. There is a recognised and very worrying danger of mistaken diagnosis."

Of course. But does this statement make the following reasonable, Ms. Psychiatrist:

Just because the listed symptoms apply in cases with BPD doesn't mean everyone who experiences 5 of them has a disorder.

Hello, how do psychiatrists define a person who is suffering from BPD?

 

"Whilst some people may see themselves in the symptoms of BPD and feel relieved to have a label to apply to the problems they experience, others may be devastated at the idea that their personality is disordered."

 

I said he might feel relieved to have a label to apply to the problems he experiences! Interesting that doctors have said that too and I didn't read their statement before I wrote mine.

A statement with might is irrefutable. I might make love on Mars in my life-time. Now prove to me beforehand whether or not that will happen. Strange to say, RP but some people actually prefer a scientific label over your pseudo-theories of feminine emotionality and irrationality versus masculine reason and rationality. They must be idiots though.

 

You remorse for your actions so that's a good sign. Next time conrtol yourself. In my opinion, it would be good to consult a therapist about any possible underlying issues that might interfere with your communication skills.

Brilliant! First you start to rave and rant and imply that he is imagining things, that a person who suffers from BPD does not necessarily suffer from BPD (nly you know how that is possible), and then you disqualify your own opinion by:

I am not a doctor, but I believe if you had any disorder, you wouldn't have been aware of how your behavior must have felt for your partner.

Nonsense, the only part of that statement that is true, is that you are not a doctor.. What makes you 100% certain that OP is completely autistic, and lacks all empathy? Or is it his Y-chromosome? Please, prove such outrageous statements before you make them.

[erika2610]

I understand where you are coming from outcast .. I do think the Empathy wasn't shown in those posts.. But even still.. who says your opinion is the right one ??

I don't see how RP's advice would do this person harm ?? This person (OP)

seems to have a decent grasp on his own self awareness and as such he most likely will just ignore her advice. After all isn't that what LS is all about .. A diverse audience of opinions ?

 

You are not a doctor either..and who is to say that your own view of RP's posts is correct ?.. And yes I do agree that her posts were lacking in some empathy some of which could be atributed to the wording but at least she gave her advice..

 

The problem is that RP does it quite often.. she talks about things she really doesn't know about, and presents things like they're facts, when they're really not at all..

[Outcast]

Thanks, Arty! If you have followed Outcast's "work" on LS, you could see that she always quotes me and spites me. I've never had anyone so obsessed with me in my whole life!

 

Get over yourself. I dislike inaccuracies and misinformation. I feel it does LS members a disservice to post bad information which they might mistake for fact.

[Ezywayout]

But sometimes there may also be other disorders which are related somehow. It is then the professional to determine the underlying facts. Sometimes its something that the patient does not want to admit. One thing I know for certain, is that sometimes addictions also make the problem worse. However, going to professional help for one thing will allow people to get the impression that a patient is only getting help for one thing. But in actuality, it may also be a way to mask that he or she is getting help in coping with other realities. Its a scary thought to have people know that there are so many issues, and maybe the patient is scared that it may drive others away for good. Wouldn't this be the answer?

[Outcast]

Not usually. Generally, because too many people think mental ailments are a personality flaw rather than physical illnesses, people feel bad and wrong about seeing psychiatrists or psychologists. But as with any doctor's visit, you don't have to tell anyone you're going or why - do you tell your friends about your trips to have the hemorrhoids fixed or the boil lanced or the VD meds?

 

But the public stigma about anything psychological is even worse than it is with VD so until that's wiped out, some people will fear seeking help.

[RecordProducer]

Some of you just don't understand things that are multi-dimensional. If you only use facts and never go deeper in your minds to think about some matters and have your own opinion, it doesn't mean I should be one-dimensional like you.

 

I will continue to explore life and its "syndromes" in my own way. I can't make you think deeper just like you can't make my mind simple. Your desperate attempts to squeeze me out of LS are petty and futile. You don't like me so you have a problem. I don't.

[Outcast]

Oh ye gods. When you are dispensing medical information, facts are incredibly important and the product of whatever happens to be burbling away in your grey matter is not, especially if it contradicts fact.

 

 

Lord give me strength.

[Art_Critic]

Oh ye gods. When you are dispensing medical information, facts are incredibly important and the product of whatever happens to be burbling away in your grey matter is not, especially if it contradicts fact.

 

 

Lord give me strength.

 

I'm curious Outcast why this is soooo personal to you ?

 

Everybody reading this thread knows where you and RP stand.

 

Each time you reply with your I know everything posts you are losing your LS intergrity.

I have allway's respected your opinion but I'm starting to waver because of you taking things to a personal level with RP..

 

Can't you just leave well enough alone and let this die between you 2 ?

 

 

just my 2 cents

[Outcast]

Ultimately I care about what happens to the readers and the posters who ask questions hoping for good information. I don't care who posts factual errors, but I will chime in to correct ones when I think they may do harm or be unhelpful. It's not just one person but some people post much much more than others so of course I may encounter them more often.

[d'Arthez]

Some of you just don't understand things that are multi-dimensional.

Yes, if they were not, there would not have been done actual research on matters like BPD. And frankly, there are reasons why research on matters like BPD is qualitatively superior to an uninformed opinion of a layman.

If you only use facts and never go deeper in your minds to think about some matters and have your own opinion, it doesn't mean I should be one-dimensional like you.

Blurting out uninformed opinion after opinion, is exactly that: one-dimensional "thinking." And I do not see where the blurting out things actually involves thought, where that process would actually even be close to the level of understanding of science.

 

I will continue to explore life and its "syndromes" in my own way. I can't make you think deeper just like you can't make my mind simple. Your desperate attempts to squeeze me out of LS are petty and futile. You don't like me so you have a problem. I don't.

Explore whatever you want to explore. It does not mean you should test your explorations on other people, especially not if they might be suffering from a disorder like BPD, be suicidal or whatever. There is a reason people are prosecuted for spreading "information" which is harmful for the recipient.

Frankly the question of liking you / disliking you does not bother me at all. What I don't like is the fact that you spread your opinions as if they were fact, and yes, you do so in a harmful way.

 

LS intergrity.

LS integrity? You are allowed to misrepresent facts and make these facts up, and that is considered integer? I'd be closer to call that a few other terms, which are current in psychology and psychiatry. And when you call someone on the fact that that person is spreading misinformation and bogus facts, that runs against LS integrity? Just because Outcast knows a few things, does not mean that she should not correct misinformation, especially when it is harmful. Or anyone else for that matter.

 

Might as well suggest to everyone, for whatever problem they are having to buy a clown's nose. Would not that solve everything? . Oh, and if you dare to challenge that view, you must be insane, and not understanding that wearing a clown's nose heals cancer , because I say so. Oh yes, and you must hate me, and take every criticism as personal, because I have had the sheer genius to proclaim the wisdom of wearing a clown's nose.

Outcast, I have found the panacea .

 

Honestly I don't care what some posters think of me. I do care what other posters, including Outcast think of me and my posts. Because I do care about her opinions and convictions.