Bf willing to eat dogs?!

[thefooloftheyear]

Dogs are just in a different realm among animals with regard to what is considered "acceptable" to consume..

 

I mean, think about it...Aside from the obvious bond that humans and dogs share that few if any other animal can match, there are numerous other aspects to this...Dogs are used in police and military work and to guard property, dogs provide vital and life changing assistance the blind, dogs find lost people/items., dogs are also the chosen animal for rehabilitation/comfort to people who may be mentally or physically disabled...Heck they even use dogs to find bedbug infestation in peoples houses...

 

Its these basic facts that put dogs on another level and why most people will bristle at someone that decides its ok to consume them...If your logic is that its ok to kill living things in the name of survival or to satisfy hunger then why stop at dogs?? Endangered species or even other humans could be considered with that level of thinking...

 

TFY

[nospam99]

It could also occur naturally as the sun can throw out a 'superflare' that can totally fry everything. This happened once before in 1859. Google 'Carrington Event' . Of course, back then we didn't have electronics that were susceptible - but it happened again a few years ago in 2012. Space scientists think that the 2012 event was even larger than the 1859 event - but we got lucky as the earth was out of direct alignment. We missed world destruction by only 9 days...

 

 

Here's an article direct from NASA concerning the July 2012 Solar Superstorm:

 

https://science.nasa.gov/science-news/science-at-nasa/2014/23jul_superstorm

 

The bolded is just hype. Read the NASA article. All speculation with none of the underlying analysis (if any exists) presented. But even taken at full face value, it includes the statement

 

According to a study by the National Academy of Sciences, the total economic impact could exceed $2 trillion

 

$2 trillion? Neither totally fry everything nor total destruction. Yes, the way current Western industrialized nations have implemented our transportation, communication, and power infrastructures creates exposures to cosmic and solar events, as well as human attacks. But exaggerating the possible impacts is .... 'irresponsible' (what I really mean is 'stupid').

[elaine567]

Pigs are very intelligent, more intelligent than dogs, yet who cares about pigs????

No-one, we treat them abysmally.

[Mr. Lucky]

Dogs are just in a different realm among animals with regard to what is considered "acceptable" to consume.

 

TFY

 

A very supportable POV - in the Western world. Other cultures would disagree.

 

Don’t get me started on horse meat...

 

Mr. Lucky

[major_merrick]

The most plausible interpretation of God’s attitude toward meat as expressed in the bible, taken as a whole, is that permitting humans to kill and eat animals was a concession to our fallen state.

 

 

I'll give you that one...but we're not in the peaceable kingdom yet. Here's a little summary (Catholic, so take it with a grain of salt) of some of the early stuff about Christians and eating meat. Vegetarianism was considered heresy by 341. The Bible and Interpretation - Are Vegetarians Heretics? The Gnostics were into a vegetarian lifestyle, and eating meat became a kind of proof that you weren't a Gnostic.

 

My husband mentioned vegetarians at lunch today, and said something to the effect that eating meat is necessary for strengthening our bodies, and is a reminder from God that the fallen state of our world requires death - the death of animals as Old Testament sacrifice, the death of animals for food, and eventually the death of all life on Earth.

 

 

Dogs are just in a different realm among animals with regard to what is considered "acceptable" to consume..

 

 

I just don't get the Western obsession with having dogs as pets. The bond of a dog with a human doesn't appear to be on a different level than that of a bond with a cat or a monkey. Most people's dogs are not particularly intelligent, and my inlaws' dogs seem to be especially stupid. People keep small pigs and donkeys for pets too, and they seem to be just about as tame and pleasant as dogs, while cats, foxes, and monkeys are just as intelligent if not more so.

[thefooloftheyear]

 

I just don't get the Western obsession with having dogs as pets. The bond of a dog with a human doesn't appear to be on a different level than that of a bond with a cat or a monkey. Most people's dogs are not particularly intelligent, and my inlaws' dogs seem to be especially stupid. People keep small pigs and donkeys for pets too, and they seem to be just about as tame and pleasant as dogs, while cats, foxes, and monkeys are just as intelligent if not more so.

 

Its not so much about intelligence as it is natural "pack" mentality that gives dogs an edge over other animals...I love cats, but to compare the two is pretty silly..

 

And when I start to see working police, military and seeing eye jackasses, pigs and foxes, then I may change my tune.. until then my position stands.

 

Stories abound of dogs saving human lives, even protecting infants...

 

TFY

[amaysngrace]

I'll give you that one...but we're not in the peaceable kingdom yet. Here's a little summary (Catholic, so take it with a grain of salt) of some of the early stuff about Christians and eating meat. Vegetarianism was considered heresy by 341. The Bible and Interpretation - Are Vegetarians Heretics?

 

That’s not a catholic interpretation. In fact, if you go to their donate page, they claim to be nonsectarian.

 

Maybe you need to save that salt for the hungry human you murder. Good grief.

[Poutrew]

The bolded is just hype. Read the NASA article. All speculation with none of the underlying analysis (if any exists) presented. But even taken at full face value, it includes the statement

 

According to a study by the National Academy of Sciences, the total economic impact could exceed $2 trillion

 

$2 trillion? Neither totally fry everything nor total destruction. Yes, the way current Western industrialized nations have implemented our transportation, communication, and power infrastructures creates exposures to cosmic and solar events, as well as human attacks. But exaggerating the possible impacts is .... 'irresponsible' (what I really mean is 'stupid').

 

Actually, the bolded is not hype, it is how I chose to describe the tragedy that would have followed in the immediate aftermath of a direct hit. I stand by it.

 

As far as the 2 trillion dollar number goes, that is only an estimate of the direct damage the solar storm would have caused. It does not go into the 20 trillion dollar damage the social upheaval would cause once you and your neighbors ran out of food or water and began scavenging for it. The world would devolve quickly into a Mad Max scenario and there would be no social authority to prevent it. But that also brings up a good question - what dollar number would you accept that would describe the end of civilization? 100 trillion? 893 trillion?

 

You are right in one way. It would not be an extinction level event. Humanity would survive. Civilization would eventually get re-established. Just don't ask the survivors what they did (or who they ate) to survive when all their more peaceable neighbors did not.

 

The only other thing I know for certain is that if the orbit of earth was 9 days different than what it had been, neither you nor I would be sitting here comfortably behind a keyboard talking about it right now...

[major_merrick]

And when I start to see working police, military and seeing eye jackasses, pigs and foxes, then I may change my tune.. until then my position stands.

 

 

Actually, other animals are used for services and it is becoming more common. I know a blind girl who has a seeing eye pig (a small potbelly pig, not a large farm pig.) I also know a girl who has hearing issues and seizures. Her service animal is a cat. The cat alerts her to dangerous noises, and alerts her family when a seizure is imminent. I think some people have used monkeys and miniature horses as well. Dogs aren't really anything special. It has to do with a cultural attachment that isn't always present in other nations.

[JulieDtd]

With regards to killing an animal and eating it, well I actually heard of an interesting pov where a friend said he eats meat once a year, as he insists on only eating meat he has hunted and killed personally. He said it was as a form of respect to the law of the wild and to the animal. His view was that if lions hunt and eat their prey, then if he respects the animals, he'd also hunt and eat his prey. Or something along those lines. My bf said he would actually want to try that one day, which I can understand, but at the same time, I wonder if I could stomach knowing that he looked into the eyes of an animal and watched its light fading after fatally injuring the poor thing.

 

Kind of gotten over the dog thing, now that he said he won't eat dog meat for my sake. Guess it was harder to accept as I thought he had bonded with my dog and in my way of thinking I couldn't understand someone loving an animal then killing others of its kind. But he explained how it's a switch that just flips, he does not see meat as part of an animal once alive. Oh well.

[amaysngrace]

But he explained how it's a switch that just flips, he does not see meat as part of an animal once alive.

 

That’s what most people who eat meat do. They stop thinking about it as being a cow, a chicken or a pig and just call it meat, totally removed from the animal it once was when it was alive.

 

If they truly gave it some thought they wouldn’t want to eat something that most times suffered brutally before it ended up on their plate.

 

I’m glad your pup is safe from your BF! That would’ve creeped me out terribly.

[Kitty Tantrum]

Its not so much about intelligence as it is natural "pack" mentality that gives dogs an edge over other animals...I love cats, but to compare the two is pretty silly..

 

And when I start to see working police, military and seeing eye jackasses, pigs and foxes, then I may change my tune.. until then my position stands.

 

Stories abound of dogs saving human lives, even protecting infants...

 

TFY

 

I dunno. I think a lot of that is human-engineered behavior/a product of the intentional domestication process rather than some inherent fitness for the task of human companionship. We made them that way.

 

Other animals will absolutely behave similarly if they've been socialized in similar ways, so it's mostly down to physical suitability for whatever task you need an animal for.

 

I knew a lady who had a guard turkey.

 

I have a petite cat who full-on jumped the neighbors' dog when it came sniffing up to my porch and growled at me while I was sitting out there drinking my coffee. It ran away squealing like a stuck pig, with her still claws-deep in the back of its neck.

 

My fiancé's dog is useless for much of anything aside from being cute.

 

Dogs ain't that special. People have romanticized the relationship between humans and dogs to an absurd extent, if you ask me.

 

Another thing that has never sat well with me is people getting on their high horse about consuming animals as food - while keeping them as pets themselves. Keeping pets is no less animal consumption than raising livestock or hunting. You're still taking an animal and dictating the expenditure of its life force for your benefit/pleasure. Unless you're going out and befriending wild/feral animals and convincing them to stick around and hang with you (which can be done), that animal has no choice, no freedom to live its life according to its natural instincts, find a mate, reproduce, etc. Pets are animal products marketed for human consumption, no less than packaged steaks at the supermarket. The "feels" that YOU get from keeping Little Fluffy in captivity don't change that. The fact that you're not immediately slapped in the face with the life-cost of your decision in the form of a butchered body in a styrofoam tray doesn't change that.

[Timshel]

People have their loyalties.

 

Major Merrick is correct in so much that it is well documented that when starvation is in play, people will eat anything, including each other.

 

I would ask myself if I was so special to feed on my loyalties and if death was so awful, really, since every one does it...except Christians.

 

Julie said her bf took dogs off the table.

[thefooloftheyear]

I dunno. I think a lot of that is human-engineered behavior/a product of the intentional domestication process rather than some inherent fitness for the task of human companionship. We made them that way.

 

Other animals will absolutely behave similarly if they've been socialized in similar ways, so it's mostly down to physical suitability for whatever task you need an animal for.

 

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And if my aunt had balls, she'd be my uncle.....but she doesn't

 

The link between dogs and humans in companionship, guard, work, military, etc, is believed to date back tens of thousands of years...Some experts say more than 50 thousand years ago..

 

If other animals were more suited, surely they would have been brought along in the same manner at some time in history....but they never were..

 

I am not saying that its unacceptable....I guess for some cultures, that aspect doesn't really have as much meaning...But for many people there is, in fact, a difference....

 

TFY

[amaysngrace]

Pets are animal products marketed for human consumption, no less than packaged steaks at the supermarket.

 

The difference is the cruelty. My old dog has lived longer than his life expectancy because of how I lovingly cared for him. The same cannot be said for a cow that is now a steak and especially in a supermarket.

[GorillaTheater]

The difference is the cruelty. My old dog has lived longer than his life expectancy because of how I lovingly cared for him. The same cannot be said for a cow that is now a steak and especially in a supermarket.

 

My steers have a hell of a gig until the very end. Nothing to do but eat and break my damn fences down.

[amaysngrace]

Right GT. You’re respectful in your care for them.

 

Most animals for mass consumption would dream of the life you provide.

[GorillaTheater]

You’re respectful in your care for them.

 

Well, I've been known to cuss them out from time to time ...

[Poutrew]

Let's see - according to the vegans out there, you should never eat - or kill - an animal. I've seen the attitude get expressed to the point that it is just as bad keeping them as a pampered pet as it is to kill and eat them.

 

I also know people out there who believe just as strongly that way about plants and other forms of vegetation. They have feelings and they 'scream' when you cut them down (for whatever reason). Since they are life and should be accorded the respect due to all life forms out there, we should NOT kill them, eat them, not keep them in little planters in our homes.

 

I guess if we take everyone seriously and try to make everyone happy, the only people left alive will be 'breatharians' - people who only eat air. At least until a lion or hungry Aardvark kills and eats them.

 

I will seriously mull over this rhapsodic philosophizing about my true place in the food chain as I now get ready to bar-b-que small hunks of animal flesh (not dog) whilst consuming a stout alcoholic beverage, while at the same time throwing small bits of said cooked protein to my pet mongrel just to see its happy face as it shows appreciation of my cooking skills...

[amaysngrace]

I’m so glad I don’t have to justify my food choices to myself before I eat my dinner.

 

Just sayin.

[Kitty Tantrum]

I don't have to justify my choices, either. I also don't have to read food labels.

[JulieDtd]

Hahaha well, the breatharian leader was caught eating McDonald's hahaha. Subsequently tried to explain it away by saying that McDonalds' double quarter pounders are the only food one can eat as they are not radioactive.

 

Hahahahahhaa. It's so ludicrous I hope it's fake news

[thefooloftheyear]

https://www.wptv.com/news/region-c-palm-beach-county/west-palm-beach/service-dog-saves-woman

 

TFY