A cautionary tale for wayward spouses and those in affairs with them

[mark clemson]

I do wonder why she didn't kill him too.

 

It would seem more logical than killing the OW actually. He's the one who betrayed her, the OW just enabled it.

 

She saw her as a real potential rival and "if I can't have him, no one can"? (Probably wasn't aware how infrequently MM's actually leave?)

 

She wanted to leave him "holding the bag" emotionally with dead women he (theoretically) loved?

 

Were there kids? Maybe she knew she'd go to prison, so she wanted someone to be left to look after them?

 

Hard to say. I do think that when someone does something like this, they're no longer thinking fully rationally - the emotions have taken over, so the precise victims may not matter as much. Dunno.

[elaine567]

Were there kids? Maybe she knew she'd go to prison, so she wanted someone to be left to look after them?

 

Both women were apparently shot in the head, few survive that.

[CautiouslyOptimistic]

They had no children.

[DKT3]

One woman was ultimately responsible, but the common denominator was him.

Had he not been cheating this would never have happened.

He went buzzing around from flower to flower, and his wife snapped... one could say due to extreme provocation...

 

Aileen Wuornos was abused her entire childhood, she was repeatedly victimized as a young adult. However, and luckily for the men that are Alive only being the system saw though that and judge her on her actions alone.

 

We all have excuses to act out, to go against social norms and should we we should be judged by those actions. Enough of making excuses for bad behavior, we see it here all the time in much less fatal cases but the ideology is the same. It's not a mans fault when a woman behaves poorly, no more then it's her fault if a man abuses her.

 

No one ever comes here and says oh it's her fault he beat her, she pushed him to it. Why is it ok to continually blame any and every man for whatever poor behavior any and every woman displays?

[somanymistakes]

Had he not been cheating this would never have happened.

 

Except, as I mentioned, for the huge number of murders that happen when there WAS NO cheating - just a jealous partner imagining it! Yes in this case the cheating was real but not cheating does not guarantee no murder.

 

 

 

Look, sure, he's a cheater and that's bad. He should have left his wife before sleeping around.

 

And his wife sure as hell should have left him before going out and murdering people.

 

If you say he "made" her do it, how is that any different from saying she "made" him cheat?

 

 

As one of the forum's resident angry feminists, I treat women as just as responsible for their actions as men.

[Prudence V]

I dont think he is out of her league looks wise. They both look average and forgettable if you bumped into them out and about.

 

I think that’s true of him - very average and forgettable. The BW though - looks like a horse, with evil piggy eyes. I’d have nightmares if I passed her on the street.

 

The MW - also pretty average. So probably more in the same league as the MM.

 

But it’s not just about looks, as I said. It’s also about drive, orientation... whatever you want to call it. She worked in retail. Nothing wrong with that - but he was clearly more ambitious, wanting to get into a creative director post (in a university, rather than a mall...) and was clearly in the up and up, while she was unemployed. And the MW was his boss, so clearly even more senior (despite being much younger) and more ambitious / driven. If he was also happy to work in fast food sales, perhaps he’d have been better matched to ms piggy-eyes.

[oldtruck]

I think all three of them are very nice looking. I don't think any of them are out of any leagues!

 

The face is a window to the soul.

The first three photos is of smirking man. The you do not know what I am

getting away with look.

 

His face after the violence shows regret for being a WH. Though is that

real or an act?

 

WH average looks

BW slightly better than average looks

OW as afar as just looks a little better than the BW

[oldtruck]

They were quality before they got involved with him...

 

As with water everything sinks to it's own level.

[oldtruck]

What part didn’t you believe?

 

Cheaters lie.

They trickle truth.

They give I don't remembers as answers tp questions.

 

So what not to believe?

 

Every word that comes out of his mouth.

[oldtruck]

That he just happened to fall in love with the woman who interviewed him for a job out of state, and then they moved there when he got the job. I think the two of them met online beforehand and concocted this plan to get him (and his wife) up to PA so they could be together. I think it was a lot more calculated than just "I met her, fell in love...you can't help who you love!" kind of thing.

 

A healthy does of paranoia is good to have

 

AND

 

Great minds think a like.

 

Actually your insight opened my eyes on this one.

[oldtruck]

Hmmm. I guess he seems like a d-bag either way to me. Even so, that’s no excuse to go around murdering people. *shrug*

 

To whoever said he was waaaaaay out of her league...I don’t know what you are talking about if you are talking about appearances. I think she was beautiful on the outside. And looking at the photos of her when she was younger, compared to the photos of the younger woman he was having an affair with.... she was much prettier. But I’m very glad this forum is the only place I ever hear of people talking about “leagues” or scoring people’s appearances on a 1-10 scale. People I know in real life thankfully aren’t like that.

 

The woman that is a 10 does not have to state the reason why she will not

date a 1. No need to state the obvious. This is why you do not hear such talk.

[Betrayed&Stayed]

https://abcnews.go.com/US/man-involved-2018-love-triangle-murder-suicide-case/story?id=65366893

 

Should be mandatory reading/viewing.

 

I applaud this woman's moxie and investigating skills!

 

When I was younger and living in rural Appalachia, a local man walked in on his wife with another man in their marital bed. The husband shot the OM dead on the spot. I remember saying to myself, "What did the OM expect?"

 

In this 20/20 story, the wife (Jennair) had invested all of herself for 20+ years; only to be "tossed away". To borrow from Chris Rock's OJ bit: "I'm not saying he should've killed her, but I understand."

 

This guy (Mark) sure is clam and matter-of-fact discussing the fallout from his selfish actions. He comes across as a self-absorbed a-hole, especially considering all of this recently occurred. I didn't hear where he acknowledged any culpability for the murder/suicide.

[mark clemson]

Both women were apparently shot in the head, few survive that.

 

 

Ah I had meant why did she shoot HIM in the head as well. My thought was that maybe she left him alive so someone would care for the kids. But none, so moot point.

 

 

I do think when people get to the point where they're murdering for revenge they are often no longer thinking fully rationally. Rationally enough to be able to plan a murder, but not rationally enough to stop themselves from doing it.

[Shining One]

I didn't hear where he acknowledged any culpability for the murder/suicide.

Why would he? Only one person is culpable for those actions: Jennair.

 

Several of the school shooters chose to become shooters after being rejected by their classmates. Are those girls culpable for the actions of those shooters? I think not.

[elaine567]

I do think when people get to the point where they're murdering for revenge they are often no longer thinking fully rationally. Rationally enough to be able to plan a murder, but not rationally enough to stop themselves from doing it.

 

A agree.

Mentally traumatised, the irrational "solution" becomes the obvious one...

[Betrayed&Stayed]

Why would he? Only one person is culpable for those actions: Jennair.

If he had acted honorably, everyone would still be alive. He set all of this in motion by having an affair.

 

Several of the school shooters chose to become shooters after being rejected by their classmates. Are those girls culpable for the actions of those shooters? I think not.

 

False equivalency

Edited September 9, 2019 by Betrayed&Stayed

[Shining One]

If he had acted honorably, everyone would still be alive.

We can't possibly know that. Had he chosen to divorce Jennair before starting a relationship with Meredith (thus acting honorably), Jennair may still have chosen the same course of action.

False equivalency

In retrospect, I agree, but so was your example. A crime of passion (your example) is not the same as premeditated murder (what Jennair did).

[pepperbird]

IF it was a man who had committed these crimes due to his wife stepping out, would everyone be so quick to rationalize his behavior?

[oldtruck]

IF it was a man who had committed these crimes due to his wife stepping out, would everyone be so quick to rationalize his behavior?

 

It is one thing to supposedly claimed you lost it when you use a bullet to have head sex with the OM when you catch

him doing your WW in your bed.

 

Though no OM, OW, BH, BH, is worth going to jail for.

 

Wishing that a AP or WS is one thing. Normal emotions.

 

To take a life, murder, is wrong.

Edited September 10, 2019 by oldtruck

[somanymistakes]

Cheating is a ****ty thing to do.

 

But it's far morally superior to murder.

 

No, you don't "get" to shoot your wife because she slept with another man, or to shoot another man for sleeping with your wife.

[pepperbird]

Cheating is a ****ty thing to do.

 

But it's far morally superior to murder.

 

 

True enough, I don't understand why anyone should even have to point this out. It ought to be obvious.

[DKT3]

Should be obvious, however, people have done it and totally escaped any justice In the eyes of the law.

 

Cheating is horrible, and very dangerous because you just never know how people will react.

 

As much as people dont want to admit it actions have consequences, you cant just go around carelessly and selfishly hurting people and always expect them to behave in an honorable manner.

[DKT3]

Cheating is a ****ty thing to do.

 

But it's far morally superior to murder.

 

No, you don't "get" to shoot your wife because she slept with another man, or to shoot another man for sleeping with your wife.

 

Many places in the world (including some states here) under certain circumstances say you can. Many others see it as less then murder. A few years ago a woman shot and killed both her husband and his affair partner and served 6 months with 10 years probation.

[Shining One]

Many places in the world (including some states here) under certain circumstances say you can. Many others see it as less then murder.

There's a delineation between a crime of passion (resulting in a homicide) and premeditated murder. If Jennair had discovered the affair by walking in on Mark and Meredith in bed and immediately shot Meredith, Mark, or both, it would have been a lesser crime (voluntary manslaughter) than what she actually did (first degree murder).

[DKT3]

That's my point. End result is people die. One has little to no consequences.

 

The law understands how infidelities can impact rational behavior and has adjusted accordingly. This ideal that we see from so many (cheaters here) that people should act a certain way in response to thier destructive behavior is overstated.