mark clemson Posted September 16, 2019 Share Posted September 16, 2019 Just for clarity, folks: "In 2013, the diagnosis of Asperger's was removed from the Diagnostic and Statistical Manual of Mental Disorders (DSM-5), and people with these symptoms are now included within the autism spectrum disorder along with autism and pervasive developmental disorder not otherwise specified (PDD-NOS).[5][13] It remains within the International Classification of Diseases (ICD-11) as of 2019 but as a subtype of autism spectrum disorder." Last sentence is germane here, I think. Article link: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Asperger_syndrome Link to post Share on other sites
basil67 Posted September 17, 2019 Share Posted September 17, 2019 (edited) NoSpam, are you suggesting that the ICD is diagnostic tool? Something that a psychiatrist or other health professional can read and understand the diagnostic criteria in a similar way to the DSM. As for billing codes alone, it stands to reason that they'd contain now defunct dx so that people can have a window of transition period. Edited September 17, 2019 by basil67 1 Link to post Share on other sites
pepperbird Posted September 17, 2019 Share Posted September 17, 2019 I have! But since they're not here to post, if I talk about them I have to say what "they" think/feel, not me! Sorry for being sensitive. It's just that it irritates me when I hear people saying what it's like to be autistic when they aren't autistic. 1 Link to post Share on other sites
pepperbird Posted September 17, 2019 Share Posted September 17, 2019 Just for clarity, folks: Article link: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Asperger_syndrome Be careful using Wiki...you never know what's up there. For a very, very brief period of time ( a few minutes) a friend of my daughter's was listed as the president of the USA. Link to post Share on other sites
greymatter Posted September 17, 2019 Share Posted September 17, 2019 If I thought this article, which is obviously not just my personal opinion, would help clear up NS's confusion, there might be hope of some increased understanding. I don't think it will be read or incorporated into NS's thinking when the thickness of the coding book is used as an argument in favor of his position that he is right (it's 2 inches thick after all!). But here goes: https://www.verywellhealth.com/does-asperger-syndrome-still-exist-259944 1 Link to post Share on other sites
nospam99 Posted September 17, 2019 Share Posted September 17, 2019 If I thought this article, which is obviously not just my personal opinion, would help clear up NS's confusion, there might be hope of some increased understanding. I don't think it will be read or incorporated into NS's thinking when the thickness of the coding book is used as an argument in favor of his position that he is right (it's 2 inches thick after all!). But here goes: https://www.verywellhealth.com/does-asperger-syndrome-still-exist-259944 The thickness of the coding book is not what makes every code in it, including specifically F84.5, a formal diagnosis. What the thickness demonstrates is that WHO, while specifying the ICD codes, has defined a lot of information, including extensive notes advising how to select specific codes based on the patient's symptoms. I am not disputing that the DSM no longer includes AS as a distinct diagnosis. Are any of the references you have cited about anything other than the APA's decision to consolidate the PDD codes at DSM-5? What I am asserting is that your generalization about AS not being a 'formal diagnosis' is ignoring a widely used diagnostic tool (which the ICD is) and one I have demonstrated by reference is specifically used to the exclusion of the DSM to document diagnoses in the New York State Medicaid in Education program. Link to post Share on other sites
Prudence V Posted September 18, 2019 Share Posted September 18, 2019 "In 2013, the diagnosis of Asperger's was removed from the Diagnostic and Statistical Manual of Mental Disorders (DSM-5), and people with these symptoms are now included within the autism spectrum disorder along with autism and pervasive developmental disorder not otherwise specified (PDD-NOS).[5][13] It remains within the International Classification of Diseases (ICD-11) as of 2019 but as a subtype of autism spectrum disorder." Just FTR, it’s neither a disorder nor a disease. It’s a condition. (Or a superpower, according to Greta Thunberg.) We’re not broken or substandard, just different. I don’t know a single Aspie (or other autistic person) who wishes they didn’t have he condition, though changing how people respond to the condition is on the wish list. 1 Link to post Share on other sites
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