I keep getting rejected by girls.

[Mysterio]

Alpha Male. I agree and I am trying to be more playful. Its just when I got laid or into a relationship. I was not really flirting as much. I find a lot of women are not that playful on their side as much.

[Mysterio]

I want to add something as well. I think that most women want their man to be stong and silent and not life of the party. Perdictable as well.

[rjc149]

Since the year 2015, I have asked out 15 girls out on a date

 

You only ask out 3-4 girls PER YEAR? How can you arrive at the conclusion that girls don't want you when you're not even putting yourself out there? You should be asking out 3-4 girls PER WEEK, if not more, during the day. You should be going to bars and clubs and approaching 3-4 girls PER NIGHT.

 

 

Dating is a numbers game. You're not even trying, you're not even doing anything to help yourself. Approaching 3 girls annually. Not trying to be mean, but come on.

[Envy123]

You only ask out 3-4 girls PER YEAR? How can you arrive at the conclusion that girls don't want you when you're not even putting yourself out there? You should be asking out 3-4 girls PER WEEK, if not more, during the day. You should be going to bars and clubs and approaching 3-4 girls PER NIGHT.

 

 

Dating is a numbers game. You're not even trying, you're not even doing anything to help yourself. Approaching 3 girls annually. Not trying to be mean, but come on.

 

I don't know about you, but my experience has been that when I don't care, I have far more romantic interest. If I start doing the chase, I have far less luck.

[rjc149]

I don't know about you, but my experience has been that when I don't care, I have far more romantic interest. If I start doing the chase, I have far less luck.

 

Yeah, but the guy has to start initiating interactions and making things happen with girls if he wants girls. He needs social experience. Talking to 3 girls a year isn't nearly enough, like I'm sorry but that's laughable. 'Not caring' means not caring what girls think, it doesn't mean not interacting with them at all. And starting interactions with girls doesn't mean chasing them.

[normal person]

You only ask out 3-4 girls PER YEAR? How can you arrive at the conclusion that girls don't want you when you're not even putting yourself out there?

 

If you read his other threads, he seems to be employing the shotgun method of of at least "approaching" women rather indiscriminately. It seems the three to four are the ones he can convert past that stage.

 

You should be asking out 3-4 girls PER WEEK, if not more, during the day. You should be going to bars and clubs and approaching 3-4 girls PER NIGHT.

 

I agree with the bars and clubs, but respectfully disagree with the rest. I think that whole mindset is desperate and calculated to be honest. It's a lot more transparent than a lot of these guys seem to think. If you "approach" 3-4 girls nightly, you're doing something wrong already and basically conceding that 1-4 girls will reject you nightly. Guys who are constantly trying to pry their way into a woman's attention without any kind of green light are a kind of sketchy that makes people roll their eyes or worse. Especially if people see you doing this constantly and you gain a reputation for it, which might be OP's case.

 

A better way (in my opinion) is to be visible and wait for the person or people you want to talk to to give you an indication that they want to talk to you, or even better, if they just start talking to you themselves. Then they're the one in a position of weakness and you control the situation; they could be already a little insecure about it and waiting for your validation. The subtext is that they want you and have to earn your attention, not the other way around (which is a shot in the foot). Then if you're just decent and don't act like a giant tool (or often even if you do), you'll have 100% success rate. Don't broadcast yourself as the desperate one ("approaching"), and when you're the desirable one, then you're golden and she'll be waiting for you to ask for her phone number or more. Just my two cents. When I was single I never went out to a bar with a quota of women to talk to -- I just went, played it cool, and let whatever happened, happened. If you aren't so obviously predatory, women are a lot more interested in coming talk to you and your friends. That's much easier and way more dignified than trying to do some whole song and dance to try and convince someone to keep from walking away from you.

[Envy123]

Yeah, but the guy has to start initiating interactions and making things happen with girls if he wants girls. He needs social experience. Talking to 3 girls a year isn't nearly enough, like I'm sorry but that's laughable. 'Not caring' means not caring what girls think, it doesn't mean not interacting with them at all. And starting interactions with girls doesn't mean chasing them.

 

I mean I still interact with them, but I let things build from there rather than trying to force the situation by asking them out straight away. If she becomes interested, she makes it known and only then I ask her out and she says yes in most cases.

 

The shotgun approach doesn't work for romance (come to think of it, it doesn't work for jobs either).

[Trail Blazer]

I use OLD and have not.

 

I get plenty of dates. Maybe you just need to brave the (Seattle) freeze and move up to the Pacific NW! I'll be your wingman!

[Trail Blazer]

GG7: Have you looked into the Asperger's dating site like @CautiouslyOptimistic suggested?

[GuitarGuy7]

Sorry I haven't been on in 3-4 days.

 

 

No I don't only talk to 3-4 girls a year. Throughout the last four years, iv'e actually tried putting myself out there and talking to girls. And no i'm not approaching random girls on the street either. The majority of girls I interact with are either girls in my club, girls at my church, or girls in my classes. The problem is that many women are not very receptive towards me and don't want to talk to me. It's always me who does the initiating and many girls simply don't give a crap. I don't know if it's because i'm ugly or i'm giving off some sort of weird impression, i'm starting to think it's the former.

 

I remember when I was running the sound board at my church and there must have been 4 cute girls and I actually tried talking to them all and having a conversation. The first girl was clearly unreceptive, wanted nothing to do with me. One girl was nice enough to talk to me, but had a boyfriend. The other two were kind of neutral, although they both ignored my Facebook friend request. None of them ever stop and say hi to me, they don't even acknowledge my existence. Yet it's kind of funny because random girls at the church who I have only talked to just once or twice, stop and say hi to me.

 

 

And yes I understand that asking out 15 girls isn't very much but you have to understand that I don't ask out every girl i'm interested in. In fact, I may only ask out 25% of girls I am attracted to. Considering half of girls i'm interested in have boyfriends and I usually don't ask girls out who make it clear they want nothing to do with me.

 

 

I'm starting to think i'm not anything wrong at all, i'm just ugly. It's hard to appeal to the opposite sex when you're 5 ft 3 and 110 pounds (the most I have ever weighed in my lifetime by the way) All the girls think i'm some sort of creep.

[alphamale]

All the girls think i'm some sort of creep.

 

you're not a creep GG7, we love you

[mr_ybor]

I get plenty of dates. Maybe you just need to brave the (Seattle) freeze and move up to the Pacific NW! I'll be your wingman!

 

I've mentioned this: I lived in the Pacific Northwest for ~six years (Portland, Or. / Vancouver, Wa.). It was only browser based dating back when I was up there (before Tinder, et. al.) and it sucked for dating.

[elaine567]

I'm starting to think i'm not anything wrong at all, i'm just ugly. It's hard to appeal to the opposite sex when you're 5 ft 3 and 110 pounds (the most I have ever weighed in my lifetime by the way)

 

You need to put on some weight. You are far too thin.

If you don't have height you need bulk.

"weedy" specimens are not what most women find attractive.

Women do not usually want a man who looks like if the wind blew he would fall over. They want to see manliness and muscle and strength.

Bulk up.

[rjc149]

Yes being 5’3 and 110 lbs is a physical handicap. Your meek appearance is no doubt getting you screened out from a lot of girls. You can’t do anything about your height but as Elaine said you need to start pumping some serious iron. Lack of height can be compensated by heavy musculature. I would look into bodybuilding and getting on some protein supplements.

[d0nnivain]

Another recommendation that you get yourself to the gym . . .weight rack here you come. All of the short men I know who are attractive & self confident have muscular bodies.

[rjc149]

A welcome side effect to lifting is not only do you look better to women, but you will feel more confident in yourself. Your ability to inflict physical harm onto someone who says the wrong thing to you, and defend yourself in violent confrontation, will command respect from others and make you a more socially assertive and dominant man. This will attract the ladies on a more primal, biological level than simply looking sexy.

 

Being a fitness buff will also give you more to talk about and relate with other guys, and being a regular at a gym is another social environment that can open up to you.

 

Not to mention it's also just really good for your overall health and well-being, if nothing else.

[GuitarGuy7]

The funny thing about that is that iv'e actually been going to the gym for the last 8 years or so. Since 2016, iv'e consistently gone to the gym at least 3 times a week. In fact believe it or not, iv'e actually competed in various powerlifting competitions for the past four years, and iv'e always won gold. (Considering i'm the only person in my weight class who's ever competed for obvious reasons...) My favorite is the deadlift competition, I lift traditional style. Some people lift sumo, but I tried that and it didnt work as well for me.

 

 

So when people say to me "you just need to hit the gym" what do you think iv'e been doing for the last 8 years bro?

 

 

Yeah i'm a naturally small dude, and I realize I don't have the ideal genetics for looking big and strong. My dad, even though he is 5 ft 10, was really skinny when he was young and has narrow shoulders and skinny legs.

 

 

In fact, 110 pounds is the most I have ever weighed in my lifetime. I'm 24 now but between the ages of 16 to 22, I was only around 100 pounds, I couldn't gain weight to save my life. Now iv'e filled out a little bit, so at least now i'm considered normal weight. I'm just a naturally small dude and unfortunately, I live in a society that favors the big and the tall, so I don't blame women for not wanting to give me a shot. I really wish someone did though.

[CautiouslyOptimistic]

Yet it's kind of funny because random girls at the church who I have only talked to just once or twice, stop and say hi to me.

 

So what's wrong with these girls?

 

As far as your weight, have you ever talked to a doctor or a nutritionist to see if there's some sort of safe product out there you don't know about? Have you tried any protein shakes or anything like that?

 

Also, in terms of your ideal woman and her body type, what are you looking for? What's the maximum you'd want your girlfriend to weigh? How about height?

[rjc149]

Are you doing upper-body compound lifts, like bench press and lateral pulldowns? Heavy weight and low reps?

 

Are you lifting 3-4 days per week, cycling creatine, and taking whey protein? Are you eating enough of your macros to be in caloric surplus?

 

And if 'yes' to all of these, and you're still 110 lbs, have you seen a doctor?

 

Doing deadlifts is a lower back and leg exercise, it isn't going to build up your chest, shoulders, and lats that will give you that 'buff' appearance.

 

I'm not saying this just to make you feel better: I live in North Jersey, lots of Italian and Hispanic genetic representation around here (read: short). I regularly see short guys with hot girls on their arms. But these guys, without exception, are yoked as f--k.

 

Get yoked as f--k, talk to more girls, improve your social skills and game, and update here if you still believe you're hopelessly unattractive.

[alphamale]

we don't want to make GG7 into a muscle-head or worse yet a man with napoleon syndrome?!

[rjc149]

we don't want to make GG7 into a muscle-head or worse yet a man with napoleon syndrome?!

 

I think he's much better of as a meathead with a chip on his shoulder than an unhappy guy with zero confidence.

[alphamale]

I can't argue with that rjc

[elaine567]

we don't want to make GG7 into a muscle-head or worse yet a man with napoleon syndrome?!

Napolean wasn't a short man he was 5'6 which for the time was at least average.

 

GG7 needs to do something to bulk up. Few woman want to look like an elephant next to a "slight" man.

[GuitarGuy7]

It's pretty much over for me... I was dealt a pretty crappy hand in life, at least in regards to dating.

 

 

I'll be a bitter 30 old virgin, still in the same shoes I was at 20 years old. I will hate society as a whole because i'll be forced to watch everyone else find someone, have sex, find a girlfriend, and eventually get married, and I have to pretend that I don't care about these things. But deep down inside, I envy them all because they all had the privilege of being romantically desirable and being able to have a dating life while I didn't... They get to wake up next to someone they love, the only thing I will ever have is porn. And it's all because I was born different...

 

 

It's over... I lost.

[rjc149]

It's pretty much over for me... I was dealt a pretty crappy hand in life, at least in regards to dating.

 

 

I'll be a bitter 30 old virgin, still in the same shoes I was at 20 years old. I will hate society as a whole because i'll be forced to watch everyone else find someone, have sex, find a girlfriend, and eventually get married, and I have to pretend that I don't care about these things. But deep down inside, I envy them all because they all had the privilege of being romantically desirable and being able to have a dating life while I didn't... They get to wake up next to someone they love, the only thing I will ever have is porn. And it's all because I was born different...

 

 

It's over... I lost.

 

You can mope and cry because you're not a 6'4'' Dolce and Gabbana model.

 

You can watch TLC shows about morbidly obese people who can't move, or shows about hoarders who live in their own filth, to feel better about yourself.

 

You can move to rural Thailand or some place where the average height is 5'2 for men and be the only white guy there, and clean up with the village girls.

 

Or, you can play the hand you were dealt and face the obstacles in life like a f--king man. You can max out your style, your body, your financial situation, your haircut, your sense of humor and charm, and know that the statistical probability of there being a girl out there who will want you is very high.

 

Just don't go Elliot Rodger.