SammySammy Posted November 1, 2019 Share Posted November 1, 2019 yes, that is true. people at the top are also abnormal because there are very few people who want to be at the top. most people just want a middle-of-the-road lifestyle, they are the normal ones True. Most people are average. 1 Link to post Share on other sites
Libby1 Posted November 1, 2019 Share Posted November 1, 2019 Courage, in men and women alike, is one of the most admirable qualities a person can have. Emotional control is also highly valued. Think of how the Romans celebrated stoicism and the courageous, highly disciplined soldier. The psychopath isn't courageous so much as fearless. There's a difference, in that the courageous person knows very well what the consequences of their actions may be, is human enough to be afraid, but does what they believe needs to be done anyway. The fearless psychopath just plunges into the abyss recklessly. Similarly they're not exercising superhuman emotional control when they appear impassive. It's easy for somebody with shallow emotional effect to seem impassive. It's kind of like the hero and villain contrast shown so often in movies. The hero is admirable precisely because we realise how courageous, strong and disciplined they have to be to take on a reckless psychopath. But there are always people who prefer the villain. I see there's another thread where somebody is talking about how much easier life would be as a psyschopath. Maybe that's the appeal for a lot of people. That developing the courage and discipline to manage a life in which there are a relatively high number of psychopaths in senior positions that you have no choice but to deal with just seems too difficult. How much easier would it be if somebody just waved a magic wand and transformed you into a fearless, unthinking, reckless psychopath? It's a lazy person's way of feeling strong, I think. Either aligning themselves to a psychopath, or trying to become one. It's a lot harder for a person to keep their humanity in testing circumstances. Link to post Share on other sites
Author thefooloftheyear Posted November 1, 2019 Author Share Posted November 1, 2019 The thing that got me thinking and hence the study/thread was how you seem to regularly hear stories about what seem to be normal, sane and educated women that choose guys that are so far over the edge...… Think about guys like Charles Manson...The guy wasn't attractive physically, was a weasel of a little man, who somehow managed to convince a bevy of attractive women to find to follow him, believe in him, etc..They even stood by him after everything went down... I also think of some of these polygamy/sister wives scenarios....IMO a lot of it is nothing more than a con job to get naïve women to accept that a guy wants a pile of women to have sex with...And before anyone decides to challenge it, this is my opinion only...Relax I have also personally known intelligent women who have been with guys like this for years...They weren't just "bad boys' they were really out there...And these women would faithfully support these guys, bail them out of trouble...support them, etc...Made no sense, really.. For some reason its far less prevalent for the reverse scenario...Not sure why I guess there is something to it....I dunno.. TFY Link to post Share on other sites
amaysngrace Posted November 1, 2019 Share Posted November 1, 2019 It’s not just women TFY. Men are drawn to them too. They see a powerful man without conscience and think to themselves, “wow, I want that life.” 3 Link to post Share on other sites
Mr. Lucky Posted November 1, 2019 Share Posted November 1, 2019 For some reason its far less prevalent for the reverse scenario...Not sure why I guess there is something to it....I dunno.. While I have seen a bit of what you've described, to me the reverse has been more common. If the woman is attractive enough, I've had male friends and family members put up with behavior that would make a mental patients blush. Don't know if it's clinical psychopathy, but the put-upon partner shows a willingness to believe almost anything... Mr. Lucky 4 Link to post Share on other sites
Libby1 Posted November 1, 2019 Share Posted November 1, 2019 I also think of some of these polygamy/sister wives scenarios....IMO a lot of it is nothing more than a con job to get naïve women to accept that a guy wants a pile of women to have sex with...And before anyone decides to challenge it, this is my opinion only...Relax Do you think it's difficult for women to discuss the subjects you've raised without getting upset? I have also personally known intelligent women who have been with guys like this for years...They weren't just "bad boys' they were really out there...And these women would faithfully support these guys, bail them out of trouble...support them, etc...Made no sense, really.. Well, that sounds like the sort of thing a woman might do from a sense of insecurity. Maybe they felt that other people's love and approval was conditional upon them being these almost martyred characters who would go out of their way for worthless guys who had no qualms about using them. For some reason its far less prevalent for the reverse scenario...Not sure why I guess there is something to it....I dunno.. You mean men are less likely to go for psychopathic women? That might be true. I don't know. I should think a psychopathic woman with a beautiful face and figure will not be short of male admirers. But the stereotypically psychopathic traits are more consistent with machismo than they are with femininity, so if men are less attracted to psychopathic women than women are to psychopathic men, that might be a reason. Maybe it would be more useful to consider whether men, as well as women, are impressed by/attracted to psychopathic men. Several posters have, of course, already raised this, but it doesn't seem to have led to much discussion. My impression is that a lot of men, younger men in particular, are strongly attracted to psychopathic men and that partly accounts for the endless fascination amongst men for films like the Godfather or the James Bond franchise. Is it possible that the women who are attracted to psychopathic men have a bit of a herd mentality, and will gravitate towards the men who other men are signalling as impressive, macho, manly etc? Link to post Share on other sites
Author thefooloftheyear Posted November 1, 2019 Author Share Posted November 1, 2019 While I have seen a bit of what you've described, to me the reverse has been more common. If the woman is attractive enough, I've had male friends and family members put up with behavior that would make a mental patients blush. Don't know if it's clinical psychopathy, but the put-upon partner shows a willingness to believe almost anything... Mr. Lucky Yeah....Ive seen that as well....but you know what?? In the mind of a man, he can justify that....I know it sounds nuts, but for most men attractiveness(or a very good body) is very elusive and most guys spend their lives with average...There is a rationalization/compartmentalization process going on there... When its a woman doing it, often the guys is hideous looking...its not about physical attraction anymore...There is some component going on there that is sometimes hard to comprehend, really...I have a guy I know that's a corrections officer that tells me stories about the women that are coming for inmates....Felons with long rap sheets that have women that are outwardly normal in every respect(some very attractive) with professional careers, etc.. TFY Link to post Share on other sites
Author thefooloftheyear Posted November 1, 2019 Author Share Posted November 1, 2019 Do you think it's difficult for women to discuss the subjects you've raised without getting upset? No...I just cant be bothered with the explanations or rationalizations of it...I have my own opinion about it and it wont change my mind, so its not really something I care to debate.. TFY Link to post Share on other sites
Libby1 Posted November 1, 2019 Share Posted November 1, 2019 No...I just cant be bothered with the explanations or rationalizations of it...I have my own opinion about it and it wont change my mind, so its not really something I care to debate.. TFY So what was your aim in starting this thread? 3 Link to post Share on other sites
mark clemson Posted November 1, 2019 Share Posted November 1, 2019 When its a woman doing it, often the guys is hideous looking...its not about physical attraction anymore...There is some component going on there that is sometimes hard to comprehend, really...I have a guy I know that's a corrections officer that tells me stories about the women that are coming for inmates....Felons with long rap sheets that have women that are outwardly normal in every respect(some very attractive) with professional careers, etc.. Yes, the attraction to criminals/bad boys thing has been known for quite some time. Two "easy answers": fetishes for criminals in some cases; "alpha traits" (such as independence, confidence, social dominance (normal folks are often afraid of gang members), special skills) in others. Of course those easy answers may be glossing over a lot of complicated things going on in these women's (and possibly the men's) brains. In the simplest case, some women may simply have a genetically inherited fetish for ruthless men. From a biological/evolutionary perspective, this makes sense in an "eat what you can kill" scenario, which may have been the situation for significant portions of human history. Link to post Share on other sites
Tamfana Posted November 1, 2019 Share Posted November 1, 2019 . For some reason its far less prevalent for the reverse scenario...Not sure why I guess there is something to it....I dunno.. Not sure that's true. I don't have trouble getting dates. But seriously, the article and study were about attraction not lifelong relationships and there are plenty of men who complain about dating, being with or being married to women who are "crazy." Link to post Share on other sites
hotpotato Posted November 1, 2019 Share Posted November 1, 2019 Ok, and? Plenty of crazy women have many, many male admirers, even ones who are literally axe murderers. My theory is that some people are very, very good at playing the game. They know how to hide their faults very well in the beginning. It shouldn't be a surprise that some girls like prison dudes on a primal level. A lot of men in the free world are soft, very soft physically esp. straight men. Prison dudes are macho from having to be on edge all the time. So the prison thing is just very, DUH if you think about it. 1 Link to post Share on other sites
basil67 Posted November 1, 2019 Share Posted November 1, 2019 Women aren't attracted to psychopaths. They are attracted to a set of traits which are shared by many men, a small minority of which happen to be psychopaths who use these traits to abuse others. 4 Link to post Share on other sites
SumGuy Posted November 2, 2019 Share Posted November 2, 2019 Women aren't attracted to psychopaths. They are attracted to a set of traits which are shared by many men, a small minority of which happen to be psychopaths who use these traits to abuse others. You won't get any click or citations with that kind of headline! A little more sensationalism, a little less objective fact This is the kind of article that will get blown up to say "I told you so women like a**holes," few will even click through to even read the article let alone to think of it critically. 1 Link to post Share on other sites
Fair Posted November 2, 2019 Share Posted November 2, 2019 I didn't listen to the video. Maybe at some point I will for laughs but the very idea is ridiculous. What I do think is that when women end up with psychopathic men it's because they put on a great act, whereas normal guys sit back and don't put as much effort into the pursuit as a predator who wants a victim. It's not that women want psychopaths... psychopaths just play the game better. Step up your game, men, if you want more women. Step it up! Stop blaming women that nice guys finish last. Link to post Share on other sites
mark clemson Posted November 2, 2019 Share Posted November 2, 2019 While I totally agree with you, Fair, I think that this issue: For whatever reason, most women pick up on the vibes of a more emotional man and stay far away from him. Which is probably the opposite of what it takes to find a more stable and understanding partner. ...hamstrings many of the "nice guy" types. They feel too strongly or are insecure, etc, so are awkward/lack confidence around women. And many women (as I understand it) just don't find that attractive. But (at risk of coming across as "red pill") I do think a certain percentage of women eventually accept some of these men as "beta buck" stable providers. esp. when they're a little older, a little less insecure, a little less "desperate", etc. So perhaps it works out in the end? Link to post Share on other sites
Fair Posted November 2, 2019 Share Posted November 2, 2019 While I totally agree with you, Fair, I think that this issue: ...hamstrings many of the "nice guy" types. They feel too strongly or are insecure, etc, so are awkward/lack confidence around women. And many women (as I understand it) just don't find that attractive. But (at risk of coming across as "red pill") I do think a certain percentage of women eventually accept some of these men as "beta buck" stable providers. esp. when they're a little older, a little less insecure, a little less "desperate", etc. So perhaps it works out in the end? Many self professed nice guys aren't actually nice. They have huge issues most of the time and have a 'get her before she gets me," attitude more often than not and hate women. There's no such thing as picking up on and shunning the vibes of 'a more normal guy.' He's the only one to blame for the reaction he's getting if it's continual rejection he's doing something wrong. 2 Link to post Share on other sites
Woggle Posted November 2, 2019 Share Posted November 2, 2019 I read that Jodi Arias gets love letters all the time so it works in reverse as well. Plenty of men end up in cults as well. Link to post Share on other sites
Fair Posted November 2, 2019 Share Posted November 2, 2019 Exactly, woggle. This isn't gender specific. Psychopaths charm people. That's what they do. That's how they eat their victims. 1 Link to post Share on other sites
Author thefooloftheyear Posted November 2, 2019 Author Share Posted November 2, 2019 I didn't listen to the video. Maybe at some point I will for laughs but the very idea is ridiculous. What I do think is that when women end up with psychopathic men it's because they put on a great act, whereas normal guys sit back and don't put as much effort into the pursuit as a predator who wants a victim. It's not that women want psychopaths... psychopaths just play the game better. Step up your game, men, if you want more women. Step it up! Stop blaming women that nice guys finish last. Are you contending that women are easy to con?? TFY Link to post Share on other sites
Author thefooloftheyear Posted November 2, 2019 Author Share Posted November 2, 2019 I read that Jodi Arias gets love letters all the time so it works in reverse as well. Plenty of men end up in cults as well. Sure she does...she's a hottie.. I bet Aileen Wournos wasn't getting too much mail... TFY Link to post Share on other sites
carhill Posted November 2, 2019 Share Posted November 2, 2019 I bet Aileen Wournos wasn't getting too much mail... Yeah, or Larissa Schuster. OTOH, Scott Petersen likely gets all kind of fan mail. Don't think he gets conjugals at San Quentin. I used to sit outside Avenal prison on visitation days to watch the parade of women driving in. Impressive. At the time it was the largest prison in the state, IDK about the nation. All hard edge guys just needing a little love to make them better. Link to post Share on other sites
Woggle Posted November 2, 2019 Share Posted November 2, 2019 Sure she does...she's a hottie.. I bet Aileen Wournos wasn't getting too much mail... TFY True but Son of Sam also didn't get the groupies that Ted Bundy did. 1 Link to post Share on other sites
Fair Posted November 2, 2019 Share Posted November 2, 2019 Are you contending that women are easy to con?? TFY You know I wasn't. If men aren't getting the results they want with women they claim the most ridiculous things... like women only want psychopaths.... Take some responsibility for yourselves. Blaming women and hating on women will not draw them to you. 1 Link to post Share on other sites
Author thefooloftheyear Posted November 2, 2019 Author Share Posted November 2, 2019 You know I wasn't. If men aren't getting the results they want with women they claim the most ridiculous things... like women only want psychopaths.... Take some responsibility for yourselves. Blaming women and hating on women will not draw them to you. Find any post of mine where I am either proclaiming to hate on women or that I had any difficulty drawing women to me.....there's a lot there, you should be able to find one.. Just so we are clear(again)… I am neither projecting, nor posting to validate any issues I have because I have none when it comes to this issue...Its all good;)..I saw an article that pertained to m/f courting/dating and thought it may be interesting for some folks...and because it was somewhat controversial I knew it would get some lively replies....It can get boring around here at times, so its wise to spice it up from time to time.. TFY Link to post Share on other sites
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