Women prefer psychopaths..

[elaine567]

True but Son of Sam also didn't get the groupies that Ted Bundy did.

 

Of course not, he was not good looking or sexy

Ordinary felons get no attention.

It is not the psychopathy that is attractive it is just pure physical attraction.

No-one cared about the other gang members Jeremy Meeks was arrested with, they were ordinary looking common criminals, Jeremy Meeks was male model material...

 

I also think guys like Ted Bundy, who on the surface was very desirable to women, spark curiosity.

I guess some women just want to know if they can pinpoint something about him, that would prevent them to falling victim to another charming serial killer.

 

Good looking, sexy, smart, powerful people are always going to be attractive to some members of the opposite sex, despite the fact they may be psychopaths.

BUT I guess many even big fans of psychopathic felons are just happy they are behind bars and stay there... or are dead...

 

Obsessed with tigers?

Yes. I love them sooo much. Beautiful, muscular, strong and powerful...

Want one to come live in your living room?

Um...no.

[Libby1]

I used to sit outside Avenal prison on visitation days to watch the parade of women driving in.

 

While a sizeable percentage of prisoners are thought to fall into the psychopath category, there's still a massive 75% who don't. No doubt they appreciate getting visits from their wives, girlfriends, sisters, daughters etc. Whether psychopaths or not, I'd say that you're pretty lucky those prisoners didn't find out about your unusual hobby.

[carhill]

Not a hobby, just a stop on the way to the coast. We serviced equipment at the prison so was familiar with its operations. Didn't mention psychopaths in that post, just prisoners needing love to get better. No doubt the prison psychologist could answer your questions with authority. They know.

[mark clemson]

Many self professed nice guys aren't actually nice. They have huge issues most of the time and have a 'get her before she gets me," attitude more often than not and hate women. There's no such thing as picking up on and shunning the vibes of 'a more normal guy.'

 

Fair, I'm not sure where you get these views, but I guess we'll agree to disagree.

 

 

He's the only one to blame for the reaction he's getting if it's continual rejection he's doing something wrong.

 

This I agree with, although the "something wrong" can be as little as simple nervousness/social awkwardness IMO.

[mark clemson]

Good looking, sexy, smart, powerful people are always going to be attractive to some members of the opposite sex, despite the fact they may be psychopaths.

BUT I guess many even big fans of psychopathic felons are just happy they are behind bars and stay there... or are dead...

 

Obsessed with tigers?

Yes. I love them sooo much. Beautiful, muscular, strong and powerful...

Want one to come live in your living room?

Um...no.

 

You have a point about the looks thing. On the other point, however, I think you're coming at this from the perspective of a normal woman, correct? In other words, you aren't one of these women who has a thing for an inmate.

 

It would be interesting to hear one of them post here and gush over some career criminal they somehow think they're in love with.

 

Here's one idealistic little darling:

 

https://www.cnn.com/2014/08/09/justice/charles-manson-wife/index.html

 

Crazy, fetish for criminals, manipulated? Dunno, but she apparently let him carve an X into her forehead. Yikes.

 

Would she have been less in love if they had actually let him out so he could move in with her? It doesn't sound like it to me. I suppose I could be wrong.

[elaine567]

There are many mixed up, mentally unstable, damaged women around who are never happier than when they court danger or knowingly introduce chaos and disaster into their own lives.

Normal life is "boring" to them.

Inmates and dangerous individuals and psychopaths are thus appealing.

 

There are also women who see themselves as saviours.

"He is just a poor mixed up kid, I will save him."

If he is also charismatic, entertaining and good looking then so much the better..

[mark clemson]

THAT makes sense for some of these "in love with a criminal" types. Probably not all of them, but yeah definitely for some of them.

[salparadise]

Many self professed nice guys aren't actually nice. They have huge issues most of the time and have a 'get her before she gets me," attitude more often than not and hate women.

 

 

^ Interesting. Perhaps the authors of the study should test this theory in the next phase. It's not the first time I've heard women denigrate nice guys. I'm not sure what the definition of nice is in this context, but I'm guessing it has to do with indirect motives... as in not overtly pursuing sex.

 

I have a female friend, a bisexual therapist and social worker, who posits that women are more attracted to men who are aloof, laissez-faire types as opposed to those who seem more invested. She says that people in general want that which is unattainable, and attraction to this type is a manifestation of that. Her dating advice is to appear to be the less invested party and keep them guessing (the typical female strategy). Being more invested means you are not a challenge, which does not foster attraction, by her theory.

 

In my own recent experience there are two instances, and perhaps a third in the making, of women with whom I was trying to be "friends" (I wasn't trying to get in their pants) that developed feelings and could not continue. And I can recall other instances in the distant past as well. It does seem to flip some kind of switch when a man, who they known to be hetero and motivated by sex, likes them and gives them a lot of attention but doesn't pursue in that way.

 

Women have to deal with numerous dichotomies in their social-sexual maneuverings, and the good-boy, bad-boy thing is a big one. It parallels research that indicates how women vacillate between preference for the protector-provider and the uninvested alphas in mating selection.

 

I am not at all surprised to hear about the results of the study. Psychopaths are chameleons that can usually read cues well and become what the another person wants for the purpose of getting what they want. They learn to apply charm with underlying aloofness, and it apparently works. A lot of the PU-artist repetoire is designed to trigger these tendencies. The expressed distain for "nice guys" is an interesting twist.

[elaine567]

There is a big difference between the truly nice guy and the self professed nice guy.

 

It is the self professed, that many women find lacking.

These men make a big show of being "the nice guy", but it is a trick.

They are often not nice guys underneath, their niceness is fake.

There is often bitterness, anger and frustration and often a degree of misogyny behind their "nice guy" image.

 

Truly nice guys just get on with being the nice decent men that they are, they don't need to shout it from the roof tops or whine about bad boys...

[mark clemson]

I think this is true to a large extent. Going back to Fair's point about nice guys having lots of issues, perhaps she and I (and Merrick who I quoted) were talking about different things.

 

There are genuinely nice guys who are perhaps too emotional or simply awkward with women. Couple that with below average looks and they often get passed over. They're NOT incel/MGTOW or misogynist types at all, but women may find them undesirable, a bit "creepy" etc. But they're still genuinely nice, just not desirable.

 

SOME of these passed over guys though, DO go on to become incels/MGTOW or misogynist types if the frustration/ego hits take over or this idea of rejection becomes central to their identity. Then they genuinely DO start to have all kinds or issues and problems. They may have started out as "nice guys" and still think they are, but REALLY they aren't anymore and may not realize how much they've changed - after all it's the women's fault (in their minds) right?

 

And then I think Elaine there's your types who actually aren't nice guys (even to begin with) but try to act like it in an effort to be more desirable.

[NuevoYorko]

You have a point about the looks thing. On the other point, however, I think you're coming at this from the perspective of a normal woman, correct? In other words, you aren't one of these women who has a thing for an inmate.

 

 

Well ... this thread is not about "normal" women and their preferences. "Women prefer psychopaths." That's the thread title. "Women." Here we are with a predictable handful of members shooting down every "normal" woman who has input about why, in fact, we're discussing a ridiculous fallacy.

 

Even the most avid misogynists here no doubt have many more women in their lives who don't "prefer psychopaths" yet, behold the amount of reaching for examples of women who have shown a propensity for them while completely ignoring the majority of women in their lives and here on this thread.

 

This is meaningful.

 

I think I've known zero to one woman in my long life who appeared to "prefer psychopaths" (the one was definitely mentally ill herself) and the rest of them, nope. I've been married, divorced, and dated quite a bit in my several decades of adulthood and I can't say that I've ever been dumped because the woman chose a psychopath over me. We're talking about dozens of women (I've been dumped a lot ). I've also known some men who seem exclusively attracted to women who are hot messes - don't know if I'm prepared to diagnose them as psychopaths but whatever.

 

My point? What's the purpose of getting involved in this type of argument for any of us? It's based on b.s.

[basil67]

Yes NY. Click Bait at it's best.

[mark clemson]

True. I (and others) were narrowing down the thread along the lines the conversation was taking to that subset of women who seem to really have a thing for psychopaths.

 

I definitely agree that the majority of women don't have that (possibly the vast majority). However, given modern population sizes, whatever small subset does have a thing for psychopaths, criminals, etc is now a fairly large number of actual women. They are also more interesting to talk about than the normal ones .

 

But I do think your point is well taken.

[Logo]

IDK that they prefer psychopaths for relationships but it sure does seem they're more attracted to the type when ovulating.

 

 

 

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[jspice]

Agreed NY.

Overall, “studies” are crap. The sample is generally too small to be of any significance, yet sweeping generalisations are made about ALL. I’ve just completed a study and I’ve drawn conclusions about people from about 5 countries and I know it’s useless.

 

Results are also interpreted. An interpretation is subjective. These results don’t say the men are psychopaths. The men have traits found in psychopaths. But who cares about facts, right? Anything to blame women for men’s inadequacies. I don’t know a single sane woman among my friends and family who has gone off with a criminal psychopath or has waited for a jailbird to get out. The average man and woman are just looking for normal partners.

[carhill]

In analyzing, one should remain cognizant of the hot/crazy matrix as applicable in matters of attraction and interpersonal function. The no-go zone is pretty good sized so a plentiful match for the male psychopaths out there. Someone for everyone, they all need and want love. Might not be how I define love but it works for them.

[Libby1]

These results don’t say the men are psychopaths. The men have traits found in psychopaths. But who cares about facts, right? Anything to blame women for men’s inadequacies.

 

When I was in my teens drooling over boy bands, I remember boys sneering about how sappy they were. It just seemed to be come down to how well they fancied themselves in a fight with the boy/man in question. If they thought they could beat him in a fight then he was a sap who would be dominated by any girl in a relationship, and if they guessed that he would probably beat them in a fight he was a psycho future wife beater. None of it really said much about the other guys they were criticising.

[MountainGirl111]

So, now I have to read the book about Ted Bundy-by Ann Rule (I've read several of her books, just not this one yet). She worked with Ted Bundy or I should say he was a co-worker of hers.

The Stranger Beside Me.

[todreaminblue]

A new study says that

might

be so.

 

A study published in the journal Evolutionary Psychology Science this past September

suggests

that psychopathic traits help men get dates with women.

 

 

pretty broad statements.....

 

 

with a might and suggests.....so not fact.....or even truth.....

 

i SUGGEST and also state by personal experience that women MIGHT also be attracted to kind hearted altruistic saints who show traits of honesty integrity kindness and compassion and only want to continue to date snog marry, guys that are the polar opposite of a psychopath......psychopaths also commonly come across as good guys....they excel at deception and misdirection..until their true colours leak to the surface.....

[NuevoYorko]

There is a big difference between the truly nice guy and the self professed nice guy.

For the purposes of discussions like this one, it seems that "nice guy" = "not psychopath."

[Vanity1]

Well...with no intent to give struggling nice/normal guys any more reason to validate thier experiences(and no intent to call bs on women who say its not true), here is a new study recently released...

 

 

https://mensvariety.com/psychopath-men-attractive/

 

I have no real opinion here, just thought I would share it and wait for the responses...

 

TFY

 

I will be honest and it’s not how I feel but I’m speaking in general.

Women like nice normal guys that are hot you can’t be ugly and nice.

Men who are ugly but are psychotic, some women find attractive because for some reason we like projects, we want to fix and nurture.

[pepperbird]

Some psychopaths are capable of love, but it's a really twisted version. It's just my own observation, but the ones who are high functioning and able to blend in well seem to be in that category.

 

An example? Russell Williams. I met him once, seemed like a nice enough guy, but something was off. Turns out, he was a budding serial killer.

 

If you ever watch the recordings of his police interviews before they knew for sure he was the killer, they are incredibly creepy, but he still went out of his way to protect his wife and keep her out of his legal troubles. He could have thrown her under the bus and said she had known what he was doing, yet he was incredibly loyal to her, even though it didn't benefit him to be that way.

 

Could be he wasn't a true psychopath, or are their "gradients" of psychopathy?

[hotpotato]

Yeah, or Larissa Schuster. OTOH, Scott Petersen likely gets all kind of fan mail. Don't think he gets conjugals at San Quentin. I used to sit outside Avenal prison on visitation days to watch the parade of women driving in. Impressive. At the time it was the largest prison in the state, IDK about the nation. All hard edge guys just needing a little love to make them better.

 

The us has one of the highest per capita incarceration rates in the world. Many of them are nonviolent offenders. A quick search says Avenal is a min to medium security prison. It's not exactly Pelican Bay.

[carhill]

I take it you don't live in CA. It's exceedingly hard to get into prison in the state. Prisons are horribly overcrowded and often a revolving door or judges use alternative sentencing or prosecutors decline to prosecute. Before moving I lived in the area for nearly 60 years. I remember when Avenal was a dusty wide spot in the road serving the local oilfields. Then oil died and Avenal and Coalinga got prisons instead. Housing sprung up to support the prison family population and workers. I don't know what it is now but at the time when I was out in that area a lot there were over 10,000 prisoners at Avenal and Coalinga (Pleasant Valley). Very few, I believe all male, prisoners were gay. So, those moving into the prison area were wives/girlfriends, etc. Hard to argue with reality. It is what it is.

[hotpotato]

I take it you don't live in CA. It's exceedingly hard to get into prison in the state. Prisons are horribly overcrowded and often a revolving door or judges use alternative sentencing or prosecutors decline to prosecute. Before moving I lived in the area for nearly 60 years. I remember when Avenal was a dusty wide spot in the road serving the local oilfields. Then oil died and Avenal and Coalinga got prisons instead. Housing sprung up to support the prison family population and workers. I don't know what it is now but at the time when I was out in that area a lot there were over 10,000 prisoners at Avenal and Coalinga (Pleasant Valley). Very few, I believe all male, prisoners were gay. So, those moving into the prison area were wives/girlfriends, etc. Hard to argue with reality. It is what it is.

 

You're right. I dont live in Cali.

 

If avenal is anything like the prisons I see on TV, the reason they stick with the men is obvious

 

They're fine as heyall. Especially in the supermax prisons, some of those guys were amazingly hot. One in particular was holding on to perpetual felon husband for fear life. Maybe she's loyal, but the the fact that he was one didnt hurt.

 

From purely physical standpoint, some of those men were perfect. Sometimes I think inmates esp the more violent or rapey ones have high testosterone. Some of them cannot function in regular society.

 

Contrast that with the soft everyday male. Most of them have too much body fat. Straight men care less about their BMI than gay men. Plenty of gay men will hit that gym, get surgery, or what not to look good. Straight men have their own version of body positivity. Not sorry, the idea of lying next to a man who has soft hips than me is very unappealing.