What do younger girls see in older guys?

[thefooloftheyear]

5 minutes ago, stillafool said:

And if not the whole generation of young men should be left without a woman because women in their age group belong to older men?

Dramatics aside, if I struggle with something I usually try to figure out why and make an effort to change...Otherwise I cant really expect others to comply because I want to be a lazy stoner, staying up til after midnight playing Fortnite in the basement of my parents house..

"But to use elaine's logic

."Ok but can you really blame anyone for just not being attracted?"

TFY

Edited January 20, 2020 by thefooloftheyear

[mark clemson]

12 minutes ago, thefooloftheyear said:

..All the while they had to watch other guys score women left and right, despite the fact that they really didn't have anything more going for them in the looks department, maybe just more "cool" or had more swagger... You can understand the frustration they had..

Never underestimate "cool" or swagger. Social dominance = yummy for some females. And older guys with wealth and status have that too...

Edited January 20, 2020 by mark clemson

[jeff0011]

Put it like this.  A Survey was conducted about the most sexually fantasized male in America. 
 

Who won?  Bill Clinton.  Guy in his 60’s. 
 

Women  are attracted to money.  Power.  Status. Charisma.
 

If you ask this on a forum many bitter women will try to chastise men for being men.  For liking firm body parts. Nice skin.  Nice hair.  
 

So they will use anecdotal evidence. “I do t like older men!  My friends don’t. “.  But that doesn’t change the reality.  
 

 

 

[sothereiwas]

1 hour ago, stillafool said:

This is all so interesting but I'm wondering - what do people expect younger men to do if they think all young women should be with older men?  Just dry up and die?

Maybe date a lot of cougars?

I'm probably not a good person for advice on this subject, since I have some pretty firmly held ideas about what marriage is good for and a lot of women seem to disagree with me. Having said this, for me, there is very little reason to marry an older woman, so that only leaves a very sort of narrow definition of 'dating' that I'd consider with them. Fortunately for younger guys (I guess) that sort of dating is probably what they want. My impression, which might be wrong, is that a significant number of older single ladies are in the pool for dating that's intended to lead to marriage or at least some form of commitment, and for them, I think a tough road might lie ahead. 

[fromheart]

Many younger, attractive women get bullied by older, bitter women.  This is a fact.  Truth is, many younger women feel peer pressured to date in lines of what is socially 'acceptable'.  Except what is acceptable, is often to comply to older bullies.

Yeah, I love to have a young woman on my arm.  She loves it, I love it.  We're consenting adults having a good time, and not doing any harm.  Get over it. 

[stillafool]

4 minutes ago, jeff0011 said:

Put it like this.  A Survey was conducted about the most sexually fantasized male in America. 
 

Who won?  Bill Clinton.  Guy in his 60’s. 
 

Women  are attracted to money.  Power.  Status. Charisma.
 

If you ask this on a forum many bitter women will try to chastise men for being men.  For liking firm body parts. Nice skin.  Nice hair.  
 

So they will use anecdotal evidence. “I do t like older men!  My friends don’t. “.  But that doesn’t change the reality.  
 

 

 

Not me.  I love firm body parts and nice smooth skin on men as well.  But I have to ask?  What year was this survey taken because the last time I saw Bill Clinton he looked old, drawn and ready for the grave.😂

[stillafool]

2 minutes ago, fromheart said:

Yeah, I love to have a young woman on my arm.  She loves it, I love it.  We're consenting adults having a good time, and not doing any harm.  Get over it. 

Good for you and you should love it if you're enjoying yourself.  But why do you have a problem with older women dating younger men?  You seemed pretty upset with  Hot Potato having sex with a 22 year old man?  Why not let everyone be with who they find hot without judgment?

[fromheart]

6 minutes ago, stillafool said:

Not me.  I love firm body parts and nice smooth skin on men as well. 

Right, so you have to accept that this is what men like also.  So whats the problem?


 

Edited January 20, 2020 by fromheart

[stillafool]

1 minute ago, fromheart said:

Right, so you have to accept that this is what men like also.  So whats the problem?


 

Reread my post and you will see I have no problem with it.

[fromheart]

5 minutes ago, stillafool said:

Good for you and you should love it if you're enjoying yourself.  But why do you have a problem with older women dating younger men?  You seemed pretty upset with  Hot Potato having sex with a 22 year old man?  Why not let everyone be with who they find hot without judgment?

If you read what I wrote, I was expressing a distaste against  the women who go for boys in their mid teens.  Many boys go through this.

If you or anyone wish to date younger men you can, but its not a natural match.  Whereas an older man and a young woman is.  I'm not against it, but I'd advise a 22 year old man to date an 18-22 year old and not bother with older women.

Edited January 20, 2020 by fromheart

[stillafool]

11 minutes ago, sothereiwas said:

Maybe date a lot of cougars?

I'm probably not a good person for advice on this subject, since I have some pretty firmly held ideas about what marriage is good for and a lot of women seem to disagree with me. Having said this, for me, there is very little reason to marry an older woman, so that only leaves a very sort of narrow definition of 'dating' that I'd consider with them. Fortunately for younger guys (I guess) that sort of dating is probably what they want. My impression, which might be wrong, is that a significant number of older single ladies are in the pool for dating that's intended to lead to marriage or at least some form of commitment, and for them, I think a tough road might lie ahead. 

Are they?  I don't know many "cougars".  I highly doubt or think it's fair that young men should only have the choice of older women.  I don't think that is God's plan.

[sothereiwas]

Just now, stillafool said:

I highly doubt or think it's fair that young men should only have the choice of older women. 

From a pragmatic point of view, if a fella isn't ready for commitment and a pool of 40ish gals just want to have a good time, it seems like a nearly ideal solution. Better than staying home and watching porn. 

 

4 minutes ago, fromheart said:

I'm not against it, but I'd advise a 22 year old man to date an 18-22 year old and not bother with older women.

My advice would be date them all but don't get serious with an older woman. 

After a guy is better established, then is the time to get serious with a nice young gal, IF he is of the mind to settle down. If not, carry on as before. 

[stillafool]

2 minutes ago, fromheart said:

If you read what I wrote, I was expressing a distaste against  the women who go for boys in their mid teens.  Many boys go through this.

If you or anyone wish to date younger men you can, but its not a natural match.  Whereas an older man and a young woman is.  I'm not against it, but I'd advise a 22 year old man to date an 18-22 year old and not bother with older women.

Ha, ha, again I'm married and not looking to date anyone.  My husband wouldn't like that.  But you would advise girls 18-22 to only date much older men?

[thefooloftheyear]

11 minutes ago, fromheart said:

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If you or anyone wish to date younger men you can, but its not a natural match.  Whereas an older man and a young woman is. 

It's really not a "natural match" either way....It does seem to be more common(older men younger women),  but it will still draw a sideways look no matter who the participants are or who is the older/younger gender...

TFY

[stillafool]

7 minutes ago, sothereiwas said:

My advice would be date them all but don't get serious with an older woman. 

After a guy is better established, then is the time to get serious with a nice young gal, IF he is of the mind to settle down. If not, carry on as before.

Oh I see.  So young men are to date older women, the ones older men wouldn't touch, and wait until they are old so they then qualify for a young girl.  Interesting.

[Shining One]

7 minutes ago, stillafool said:

I highly doubt or think it's fair that young men should only have the choice of older women.

Life is hardly fair. In my late twenties, the only women (with one exception) expressing sexual interest in me were in their late thirties. It was either them or celibacy. It's not like I had a say in which women saw sexual potential in me.

[stillafool]

4 minutes ago, Shining One said:

Life is hardly fair. In my late twenties, the only women (with one exception) expressing sexual interest in me were in their late thirties. It was either them or celibacy. It's not like I had a say in which women saw sexual potential in me.

That's too bad.  Back when I was 18 - 29 my friends and I were dating and marrying  men 3 to 4 years older and not too many young men had problems getting dates with young women.  But like most thing, times are a changin.

[sothereiwas]

29 minutes ago, stillafool said:

Oh I see.  So young men are to date older women, the ones older men wouldn't touch, and wait until they are old so they then qualify for a young girl.

I don't believe I said that. All I said is that I see no reason a young man shouldn't date any woman they wish, but I wouldn't recommend pursuing a LTR with anyone as a young man generally speaking. Once a fella is established and matured a bit, then, if they are of a mind to settle down, stick to relatively young women for that pursuit. If the guy isn't interested in settling down, I see no reason to narrow the field at all, ever. 

 

25 minutes ago, jeff0011 said:

But my point is how much importance is that given in the overall scheme? 

This. 

 

[fromheart]

58 minutes ago, sothereiwas said:

From a pragmatic point of view, if a fella isn't ready for commitment and a pool of 40ish gals just want to have a good time, it seems like a nearly ideal solution. Better than staying home and watching porn. 

 

My advice would be date them all but don't get serious with an older woman. 

After a guy is better established, then is the time to get serious with a nice young gal, IF he is of the mind to settle down. If not, carry on as before. 

See your point, but the fact is that the best women are snapped in their childbirth years.  The older ones are usually damaged goods, and will sometimes mess up a young mans mind.  It's probably going to be painful anyway, better chance of something positive with a young woman.

[fromheart]

54 minutes ago, thefooloftheyear said:

It's really not a "natural match" either way....It does seem to be more common(older men younger women),  but it will still draw a sideways look no matter who the participants are or who is the older/younger gender...

TFY

Yes, the sideways looks.

If there's a young woman in the gym or working establishment who's into me, I have to consider what the repercussions for her will be.
Most probably, she will get bullied by the resident old hags.  If she's young and pretty, she's probably getting bullied anyway.   

So despite the fact that I will treat her right and we may make each other happy, I have to consider that the witches will descend on her.  Miserable people have to make others miserable. 

[sothereiwas]

26 minutes ago, fromheart said:

See your point, but the fact is that the best women are snapped in their childbirth years. 

Read it again. 

All I said was for young men to wait until they are in their own prime before "snapping up" a 20 something woman ... IF the young man in question is looking to have a family. 

Having a family is one of two reasons people should get married IMO, but of course people have a right to make their own mistakes. 

[major_merrick]

A lot of this is driven by the subconscious need to reproduce, and have the offspring be healthy and dominate their environment.  Most women think they are too cultured or ethical (or want to appear that way) to admit it.  For me, I have no problem with my primal urges and little desire to control them. 

I mostly find men unattractive, especially the young frat boy types constantly vying for attention.  Reminds me of a bunch of young roosters in a pen that are just learning to crow.  But even when we were teenagers, my husband stood out to me as being different.  In my relationships with women, I prefer cuteness and sex that feels great.  With my husband, I have this overwhelming urge to reproduce.  A guy that is older, more well-off, or more dominant appeals to our instincts...like a guarantee of better offspring.  And I suspect that underneath women's desire for older partners is because age is the proof that the guy is fit enough to reproduce because he's survived more of what life has thrown at him.

In modern times, it might not make as much sense.  The reproductive instinct is primal, not modern. 

[hotpotato]

I dated a man 20 years older than me. He was very social, and he still looked good. He looked like he used to play pro football. He made good money which didnt hurt. 

He was a far cry from average older guy. Most older guys I wont touch. 

Frankly, most men who approach me are much older. This changed for the most part in the past few years. 

 

[elaine567]

38 minutes ago, major_merrick said:

.  With my husband, I have this overwhelming urge to reproduce.  A guy that is older, more well-off, or more dominant appeals to our instincts...like a guarantee of better offspring. 

OK but your husband  the same age as you, he is not an "older" man.
He is the perfect example of a quality younger man, that according to some men on here, do not exist...

[sothereiwas]

7 minutes ago, elaine567 said:

He is the perfect example of a quality younger man, that according to some men on here, do not exist.

I'm not sure anyone said they don't exist, but I don't see them standing in line to date women who are a decade or so senior to themselves. There is actually a lot of research in who people decide to date and marry, and the general theme is that women are more discriminating overall and also care about a wider variety of factors when evaluating a mate or date, on average, than men care about.