Els Posted March 12, 2020 Share Posted March 12, 2020 20 minutes ago, thefooloftheyear said: Nah. Els... That wasn't what I was getting at... Most of the men in my life/circle have the same basic attitude I have about this...while concerned, aren't in a panic over this and believe a lot of this is overblown......The women are seemingly the complete opposite...most are in a total panic over it and talk about it constantly.... I think Carhill made a good point with regard to that, and I do agree... TFY You realize that the director of the WHO who declared a pandemic, and the Prime Ministers of most of the countries who enacted stringent restrictions (including your President who barred ALL travel from Europe) are male, right? This is a pretty weird topic to try to genderize. 2 Link to post Share on other sites
thefooloftheyear Posted March 12, 2020 Share Posted March 12, 2020 Just now, Elswyth said: You realize that the director of the WHO who declared a pandemic, and the Prime Ministers of most of the countries who enacted stringent restrictions (including your President who barred ALL travel from Europe) are male, right? This is a pretty weird topic to try to genderize. I'm just making an observation,,,,not "genderizing:" anything... And all those people you are mentioning aren't creating hysteria, merely just putting out the facts as we know....Its the people/media that are creating the hysteria.. TFY Link to post Share on other sites
Ruby Slippers Posted March 12, 2020 Share Posted March 12, 2020 20 minutes ago, Timshel said: People's lives are more important than the stock market, gold bars and dollar bills...idk, the attitude of the status quo is an eye opener. Yes. The hysterical anti-hysteria conservatives/fat cats don't acknowledge the suffering of the sick, only business, commerce, and the market, their first loves. Very interesting to observe. 3 Link to post Share on other sites
Els Posted March 12, 2020 Share Posted March 12, 2020 1 minute ago, thefooloftheyear said: I'm just making an observation,,,,not "genderizing:" anything... And all those people you are mentioning aren't creating hysteria, merely just putting out the facts as we know....Its the people/media that are creating the hysteria.. TFY What exactly do you feel is "overblown" and "causing a huge negative effect on business and commerce" that the people (by which you mean "women") are doing, but not the politicians? Trump's blanket travel ban will negatively affect FAR more businesses than any crazy woman stocking up on 20 packs of toilet paper will, lol. Half of these European countries have fewer cases than the US... 2 Link to post Share on other sites
Gaeta Posted March 12, 2020 Share Posted March 12, 2020 Good news, the sociologists expect a babyboom coming out of this in 9 months. See, life always finds a way. 1 Link to post Share on other sites
elaine567 Posted March 12, 2020 Share Posted March 12, 2020 39 minutes ago, Elswyth said: Women do have somewhat "stronger" immune systems in theory (for that reason, we are also more at risk from autoimmune diseases), but for the most part the cause of the disparity in the outcomes for men and women is lifestyle. Smoking and cardiac conditions have a huge impact on the severity of the disease, and men are about 10-20x more likely to be smokers than women. And it seems to me men are often the naysayers, they go macho and tell everyone else that there is no issue, that is is all just nonsense. So whilst many women will be hand washing and reducing risks many men will carry on as normal, "No-one tells me what to do" Even Trump was pooh-poohing the problem until he got close to it with that staffer testing positive. At 73 he probably then realised it could be a big deal if he caught it. Suddenly it was real. 2 Link to post Share on other sites
Timshel Posted March 12, 2020 Share Posted March 12, 2020 15 minutes ago, thefooloftheyear said: Sorry...but you have no grasp of this if you make this type of statement.. You think for a minute that the 'big players" are worried about the stock market collapsing? They aren't, in fact they are poised to make huge bank by buying beaten down assets at cheap prices...The losers will be the 'little guys" that are relying and faithfully contributing to their 401K's only to get slaughtered, and they dont have the knowledge, sophistication or resources to cash in like the others are.... And what you may not realize that this HYSTERIA(to call it being proactive would be like calling the Atlantic Ocean a puddle), is hurting many small businesses....You know people that own restaurants, travel agencies, anything....The local economies are fueled by people getting out and spending money.....Without they all fail... But keep on worrying and stocking up on TP and MRE's.....🙄 TFY I agree with most of this, except again, the hysteria part. Small business, the service industry, etc and 401k's will absolutely be negatively impacted by this pandemic. It will take some time for these industries and the stock market to recover. If an individual or business isn't able to wait this out, then there will absolutely be fallout. What are you saying that isn't blatantly obvious at this point? This is reality, not hysteria. I know that we all wish it wasn't so.... Speaking of industry, since Asia has experienced the worst at this point and been highly proactive in shutting it down, not without substantial loss of life...they will also be the first back up and running. I'm sure our current administration isn't unaware of this nugget, or other countries now only experiencing the first wave. 2 Link to post Share on other sites
thefooloftheyear Posted March 12, 2020 Share Posted March 12, 2020 15 minutes ago, Elswyth said: What exactly do you feel is "overblown" and "causing a huge negative effect on business and commerce" that the people (by which you mean "women") are doing, but not the politicians? Trump's blanket travel ban will negatively affect FAR more businesses than any crazy woman stocking up on 20 packs of toilet paper will, lol. Half of these European countries have fewer cases than the US... They are shutting down everything around here....Just the St Patrick's Day stuff locally is a HUGE boom to local businesses...The winter was a complete dud here as well...So many businesses already lost out due to that fact....But that's in no one's control.... Yep....I understand you....It all Trump's fault...He probably even concocted it with some ingenuity with his Easy Bake Oven....🙄 I'm not even saying its a bad thing to shut things down....Just enough already with the 24/7 media hysterics....Like I said...Put the phone down and give it a rest already.... TFY Link to post Share on other sites
Beendaredonedat Posted March 12, 2020 Share Posted March 12, 2020 President Trump: Our testing for the virus is good NIH: We are failing in our testing. Not sure how Trump can say minimizing things like: How low USA numbers are and how bad South Korea's are when they test 10,000 a day and US hasn't tested half that number. His efforts to stop the panic with his mistakes about what is and what isn't is making me panic more. Its not so much "media hysterics" but rather who is lying. When you have no trust, angst ensues. 2 Link to post Share on other sites
Timshel Posted March 12, 2020 Share Posted March 12, 2020 Furthermore, our administration has no one to blame but themselves since we had more than fair warning. We should have had test kits, medical protocol and closed borders weeks ago, if not more. If it's turning into a circus now, this all could have been substantially mitigated. Pence as Covid-19 czar was the first clue. Let's do keep it together and do right by each other, in the U.S. being informed and taking precautions are our best hope for the most expedient containment. 1 Link to post Share on other sites
sothereiwas Posted March 12, 2020 Share Posted March 12, 2020 From what I've read, we're all getting this bug, period. The best we can do is to make it spread more slowly so we don't overload the healthcare system, and to allow better care and prevention to be developed. So go make a run on the liquid soap and nitrile gloves and stop freaking out. Link to post Share on other sites
Ruby Slippers Posted March 12, 2020 Share Posted March 12, 2020 Perhaps businesses will learn a good old-fashioned lesson from this: save enough money to weather storms like this. At least one full year of operating expenses in reserve is a good start. Link to post Share on other sites
Beendaredonedat Posted March 12, 2020 Share Posted March 12, 2020 I've not read or heard that "we're all getting this bug" I did hear on the radio this morning that it is likely going to be around for at least two years or until they figure out a vaccination for it. It certainly won't be going away when it gets hot like Trump has told us. (yet another falsism to cause us angst) Tom Hanks is in Australia and it's their summer down under so higher temperatures mean nada. Link to post Share on other sites
thefooloftheyear Posted March 12, 2020 Share Posted March 12, 2020 2 minutes ago, Ruby Slippers said: Perhaps businesses will learn a good old-fashioned lesson from this: save enough money to weather storms like this. At least one full year of operating expenses in reserve is a good start. Open up your own business and then you can tell the rest of us how you are so great at it....until then just keep punching the clock and be happy your boss has enough in the check book that it will clear.... Crissakes....🙄....That would mean a small business would need 500-IM in the check book at all times...lol TFY 1 Link to post Share on other sites
Ruby Slippers Posted March 12, 2020 Share Posted March 12, 2020 It's smart financial planning for any individual or business to have financial reserves for hard times. I'm building up a 6- to 12-month emergency fund myself. I haven't "punched a clock" since I was a teenager. Link to post Share on other sites
simpycurious Posted March 12, 2020 Share Posted March 12, 2020 Lots of people I know are actually going to their lake or beach places for a few weeks to get isolated. Will people stop going out to dinner? I get curbing travel but will this effect things as simple as going to the mall or like I mentioned to dinner? Link to post Share on other sites
Timshel Posted March 12, 2020 Share Posted March 12, 2020 This is for another thread Ruby but lot's of families/people in this country do, punch a clock. Lot's of families/people live paycheck to paycheck, lot's of families/people do not have health insurance. Good for you but a person can't diminish the reality for many people in the U.S. and in many other countries as well. 4 Link to post Share on other sites
Ruby Slippers Posted March 12, 2020 Share Posted March 12, 2020 Like I said, I really feel for those people who are going to lose their jobs suddenly. It's already happening. It seems to take catastrophe for many people to understand how important savings are. A lot of people are in debt because they buy too much car, too much house, too many $5 lattes, $100 cable TV, too much stuff for too many pets, etc., etc. Those of us with grandparents who lived through the Depression know how they learned to be thrifty in all ways. I've scrimped, saved, and sacrificed my entire life, going without almost all the luxuries my friends and colleagues spend money on, to get to where I am. I still have a long way to go. Link to post Share on other sites
RecentChange Posted March 12, 2020 Share Posted March 12, 2020 5 minutes ago, simpycurious said: Lots of people I know are actually going to their lake or beach places for a few weeks to get isolated. Will people stop going out to dinner? I get curbing travel but will this effect things as simple as going to the mall or like I mentioned to dinner? Malls around here are looking like ghost towns (at least according to the SFGate article today - pictorial of "eerily empty SF"). Usually busy Fisherman's wharf is deserted. Restaurant business is way down, people simply aren't going out as much, and for high risk people - eating out is not recommended. The California governor just recommend cancellation of any events that would gather crowds of 250 or more. So depending on how many cases your area sees (SF Bay more affected than most regions), I would say yes, expect a dramatic decrease of brick and mortar retail sales and dining out. The vast majority of Americans do not have a lake house nor a beach house to retreat to most have bills to pay as well. This is going to be a huge hit to low paid workers in the service industry. Many of which were already holding on by a thread. 2 Link to post Share on other sites
Beendaredonedat Posted March 12, 2020 Share Posted March 12, 2020 (edited) 14 hours ago, Woggle said: I wonder why Russia has been mostly spared. I wouldn't put it past Putin to not accurately report numbers. Well, if you're not testing (because you don't have the equipment as in the USA) then your numbers are going to be low. Who really knows how many US citizens are walking around untested but have mild symptoms? We just heard on the news here that the "first lady" of Canada has been tested and the Prime Minister is put himself in self isolation. They, like Trump were just at an event where someone got sick and was tested positive. Serious question: Do you think they will announce if Trump has it? How could they when they haven't even tested him? Edited March 12, 2020 by Beendaredonedat typos 1 Link to post Share on other sites
Redhead14 Posted March 12, 2020 Share Posted March 12, 2020 (edited) I have two clients who have families and the insurance alone costs them so much that both parents work two jobs. They are stressed and exhausted all the time. They work their tails off to keep food and roof over their heads. And, each time they get any kind of a raise, the government supplement is reduced. They will never get ahead. There is a ceiling on the premium to be paid but when they get to that premium ceiling, it will be about what a car payment would be for a higher end vehicle which they couldn't afford anyway for just one of them let alone the whole family. On top of all this, they had a $5000 deductible and one of their children had to be hospitalized. So now on top of the premium they struggle to pay, they are have to figure out how to pay off that deductible. It's nuts. Edited March 12, 2020 by Redhead14 3 Link to post Share on other sites
Redhead14 Posted March 12, 2020 Share Posted March 12, 2020 (edited) 12 minutes ago, Beendaredonedat said: Well, if you're not testing (because you don't have the equipment as in the USA) then your numbers are going to be low. Who really knows how many US citizens are walking around untested but have mild symptoms? We just heard on the news here that the "first lady" of Canada has been tested and the Prime Minister is put himself in self isolation. They, like Trump were just at an event where someone got sick and was tested positive. Serious question: Do you think they will announce if Trump has it? How could they when they haven't even tested him? We can't know how many are walking around like that. I too wonder if they would announce it if Trump has it or gets it. It depends on whether or not the symptoms are mild enough. He's in the higher risk group, so if it's serious enough, I think it would be hard to cover up but not impossible I guess. Edited March 12, 2020 by Redhead14 2 Link to post Share on other sites
thefooloftheyear Posted March 12, 2020 Share Posted March 12, 2020 32 minutes ago, Ruby Slippers said: It's smart financial planning for any individual or business to have financial reserves for hard times. I'm building up a 6- to 12-month emergency fund myself. I haven't "punched a clock" since I was a teenager. You haven't run a business and didn't do a lot of other things that many people your age are doing, and its costing them dearly....And most small/mid sized businesses are run by people that barely make more than their better paid help, yet have ALL the responsibilities and all the aggravation...And if your name isnt on the bottom of the check you get, then yes...You actually are punching a clock.. A guy Ive known for years works as in independent driver for several local limo companies and also drives tour buses...Since this started he hasn't earned a single weeks pay... They have succeeded in convincing people that they need to completely shut down...Its crazy,... TFY Link to post Share on other sites
Ruby Slippers Posted March 12, 2020 Share Posted March 12, 2020 I was self-employed for 10 years and ran my own business for 5 years, employed about 2 dozen people. So I know all about what it takes to do business as a boss and as an employee - all the rewards and all the risks. Once I researched my competition, I found out I paid better than any of them, including the huge corporate outfits. I decided 5 years ago to go back to the traditional workforce for greater financial stability, and for me it was the right move. Assuming my pending new job moves forward during all this upheaval, I'll be making 4 times the salary I did as a business owner. Even now I'm making more than double. Link to post Share on other sites
Author gaius Posted March 12, 2020 Author Share Posted March 12, 2020 2 hours ago, thefooloftheyear said: Most of the men in my life/circle have the same basic attitude I have about this...while concerned, aren't in a panic over this and believe a lot of this is overblown......The women are seemingly the complete opposite...most are in a total panic over it and talk about it constantly.... They should probably put the news on at the gym then because if they don't think it's a big deal at this point then they're not paying attention. The saddest part of all this is it didn't have to be a big deal. We had all the time in the world to deploy aggressive testing/quarantines and further restrict travel into this country, which would have likely prevented these kinds of shutdowns. But people didn't pay attention. 3 Link to post Share on other sites
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