RecentChange Posted March 12, 2020 Share Posted March 12, 2020 Just got a mandate from corporate to prepare to work from home - they may be sending us out as early as today. Time to set up a home office I guess! I hate working off the laptop - and love my three screens. Link to post Share on other sites
thefooloftheyear Posted March 12, 2020 Share Posted March 12, 2020 9 minutes ago, gaius said: They should probably put the news on at the gym then because if they don't think it's a big deal at this point then they're not paying attention. The saddest part of all this is it didn't have to be a big deal. We had all the time in the world to deploy aggressive testing/quarantines and further restrict travel into this country, which would have likely prevented these kinds of shutdowns. But people didn't pay attention. ...Ifs whats and maybe's...It is what it is...You cant avoid the hysteria... Meanwhile son of Tom/Rita Hanks "Son Chet Hanks offered an update on his parents on Instagram: “It’s crazy. They both are fine — they’re not even that sick. They’re not worried about it, they’re not tripping, but they’re going through the necessary health precautions.” – Refinery29" And all this time, flu deaths last year around 50K...Including many little kids...This virus hasnt affected the young at all... TFY Link to post Share on other sites
Ruby Slippers Posted March 12, 2020 Share Posted March 12, 2020 I'm pretty sure I'll be working from home starting Monday when I get back from time off. The silver lining. Link to post Share on other sites
LivingWaterPlease Posted March 12, 2020 Share Posted March 12, 2020 (edited) 3 hours ago, thefooloftheyear said: Most of the men in my life/circle have the same basic attitude I have about this...while concerned, aren't in a panic over this and believe a lot of this is overblown......The women are seemingly the complete opposite...most are in a total panic over it and talk about it constantly.... I think Carhill made a good point with regard to that, and I do agree... TFY Didn't see Carhill's comment. But, here's one woman who isn't panicked. And I'm in a high risk category being almost 70. I usually shop every other day as I'm close to the stores and like fresh produce, plus always seem to be running out of things. I have no intention of doing anything differently except cleaning hands after every store or public place I exit. I always clean cart handles anyway. I'm very annoyed at the press over this. They're way overdoing it. Edited March 12, 2020 by LivingWaterPlease Link to post Share on other sites
Author gaius Posted March 12, 2020 Author Share Posted March 12, 2020 11 minutes ago, thefooloftheyear said: ...Ifs whats and maybe's...It is what it is...You cant avoid the hysteria... Meanwhile son of Tom/Rita Hanks "Son Chet Hanks offered an update on his parents on Instagram: “It’s crazy. They both are fine — they’re not even that sick. They’re not worried about it, they’re not tripping, but they’re going through the necessary health precautions.” – Refinery29" And all this time, flu deaths last year around 50K...Including many little kids...This virus hasnt affected the young at all... TFY I hope they continue to be part of the lucky 80% who's symptoms progress no further. And I understand the male drive to not care. I said over in Woggles thread I'd enjoy getting it on some level just to beat it out of my system and show off what a stud I am. But that doesn't mean it's a smart overall thing to just let it spread. Take it from Luca Franzese, a fellow Italian actor and MMA fighter who was probably in the gym and as unconcerned as your friends a few weeks ago. Until his overall healthy 47 year old sister died from the virus and he was stuck at home with her corpse for days because nobody would collect it. Now he thinks people should be concerned. Kinda too late for him and his sister though. 2 Link to post Share on other sites
Redhead14 Posted March 12, 2020 Share Posted March 12, 2020 (edited) 10 minutes ago, LivingWaterPlease said: I'm very annoyed at the press over this. They're way overdoing it. All evidence to the contrary . . . the WHO declared this a pandemic, you know. I'd like to know how you know for an absolute fact that this is being overdone??? No one, not one single poster here or out in the general public knows anything for sure PERIOD. There is no harm in taking it seriously and taking precautions. I too am at high risk. I am not panicking either. I am, however, not minimizing it to others. There is some reason that this has gotten to the point it has and it's not all about the media. There are a lot of businesses taking it seriously and they have a lot to lose. They aren't making these decisions based on what the media says alone. There have been viruses in the past that have come up through the media, etc. So, they just mysteriously and for fun and excitement decided that this is the ONE to spin out of control? The reason that SARS and MERS didn't blossom was because they were identified quickly and adequate measures were taken so they aren't around anymore. They could easily have been a bigger deal than they ended up being which was enough anyway. Edited March 12, 2020 by Redhead14 1 Link to post Share on other sites
LivingWaterPlease Posted March 12, 2020 Share Posted March 12, 2020 (edited) 27 minutes ago, Redhead14 said: All evidence to the contrary . . . the WHO declared this a pandemic, you know. I'd like to know how you know for an absolute fact that this is being overdone??? No one, not one single poster here or out in the general public knows anything for sure PERIOD. There is no harm in taking it seriously and taking precautions. I too am at high risk. I am not panicking either. I am, however, not minimizing it to others. There is some reason that this has gotten to the point it has and it's not all about the media. There are a lot of businesses taking it seriously and they have a lot to lose. They aren't making these decisions based on what the media says alone. There have been viruses in the past that have come up through the media, etc. So, they just mysteriously and for fun and excitement decided that this is the ONE to spin out of control? The reason that SARS and MERS didn't blossom was because they were identified quickly and adequate measures were taken so they aren't around anymore. They could easily have been a bigger deal than they ended up being which was enough anyway. I trust very little of what I hear and read coming from the media these days. Edited March 12, 2020 by LivingWaterPlease Link to post Share on other sites
littleblackheart Posted March 12, 2020 Share Posted March 12, 2020 Can I ask the good posters of the USA why Trump restricted all travel to Europe for 30 days other than the UK? Is it because the PM is on the same wavelength re banking on collective immunisation (think national chicken pox party) so the gvt contributes as little as possible to helping people protect themselves from this virus? This makes no sense at all. Link to post Share on other sites
Redhead14 Posted March 12, 2020 Share Posted March 12, 2020 (edited) 13 minutes ago, LivingWaterPlease said: I trust very little of what I hear and read coming from the media these days. The media is reporting that the WHO has declared a pandemic. The media is wrong??? I don't know how we would know that they declared a pandemic except for the media. Edited March 12, 2020 by Redhead14 2 Link to post Share on other sites
Fletch Lives Posted March 12, 2020 Share Posted March 12, 2020 (edited) Wait until you see what happens if it spreads in a third world country that does not have a very good medical system in place........ Then the more developed countries, like us, after we have it contained it (hopefully), will have to go and rescue them.Then you tell me if it's hype or not. Edited March 12, 2020 by Fletch Lives 1 Link to post Share on other sites
Fletch Lives Posted March 12, 2020 Share Posted March 12, 2020 3 minutes ago, Redhead14 said: The media is reporting that the WHO has declared a pandemic. The media is wrong??? I don't know how we would know that they declared a pandemic except for the media. Yes, I've heard doctors declaring this as a Pandemic weeks before WHO declared it yesterday. Link to post Share on other sites
LivingWaterPlease Posted March 12, 2020 Share Posted March 12, 2020 Just now, Redhead14 said: So, the media is reporting that the WHO has declared a pandemic. The media is wrong??? I wrote the media has little credibility with me. I also wrote I'm annoyed with them. I have not written anything about the WHO. I possibly (not sure, really) would like to write more but I'm working and just taking a break so need to get back to it. Link to post Share on other sites
Fletch Lives Posted March 12, 2020 Share Posted March 12, 2020 6 minutes ago, littleblackheart said: Can I ask the good posters of the USA why Trump restricted all travel to Europe for 30 days other than the UK? Is it because the PM is on the same wavelength re banking on collective immunisation (think national chicken pox party) so the gvt contributes as little as possible to helping people protect themselves from this virus? This makes no sense at all. Well, I know that the States/Trump and the UK are buddies.......so I assume Trump is confident the UK will take the same good measures to screen passengers as we would. So I would say it's a matter of trust between the two countries. Link to post Share on other sites
littleblackheart Posted March 12, 2020 Share Posted March 12, 2020 The UK has done nothing so far, other than tell us to wash our hands more often. There is no travel ban from the UK to go to Europe. I work on a huge multicultural campus, and we're open as normal. This trust is either misplaced or cynical (ie politically motivated). 2 Link to post Share on other sites
vla1120 Posted March 12, 2020 Share Posted March 12, 2020 1 hour ago, RecentChange said: I hate working off the laptop - and love my three screens. That's the problem I have working from home, also! I have an old iPad I use for my second view-only screen at home. 1 Link to post Share on other sites
Author gaius Posted March 12, 2020 Author Share Posted March 12, 2020 Trump exempted the UK from the travel ban because they're no longer part of the EU and are free to implement strong travel restrictions of their own. Most of the EU still seems to be allowing free travel between countries, France hasn't even shut it's border with Italy for example, which is likely to increase the spread. A big part of the reason Italy is in the situation it's in right now is because it never really restricted travel with China during the outbreak there. 2 Link to post Share on other sites
elaine567 Posted March 12, 2020 Share Posted March 12, 2020 4 minutes ago, Fletch Lives said: Well, I know that the States/Trump and the UK are buddies.......so I assume Trump is confident the UK will take the same good measures to screen passengers as we would. So I would say it's a matter of trust between the two countries. We're not screening anyone. Even if sick and you have all the Coronavirus symptoms... you may not get tested. This I guess is about the hope that we develop "herd immunity" and we are the guinea pigs. 2 Link to post Share on other sites
Timshel Posted March 12, 2020 Share Posted March 12, 2020 This is from Daily Mail @ lbh. Not the most reputable news source but it's what we got at the moment. Truthfully, Trump/Pence are making little sense at this time. Despite the UK having 373 cases and Ireland having 43 cases, in addition to the UK imposing far fewer restrictions in response to the virus than many EU countries, Trump's travel ban excluded the two. Trump has properties in both nations. Trump said on Thursday: 'One of the reasons UK basically has been (excluded from the restrictions is) it’s got the border. 'It’s got very strong borders and they’re doing a very good job.' The exemption will raise questions about the coherence of his policy. Trump had accused Europe of not acting quickly enough to address the 'foreign virus' and claimed that U.S. clusters were 'seeded' by European travelers. But the UK has no screening of people coming from France - to which it is connected directly by the Channel Tunnel - or other European countries, as Nancy Pelosi quickly pointed out. On Thursday, Dr. Anthony S. Fauci, one of America's top scientists, explained the ban on European countries. He said: 'When we were looking at the pure public health aspect of it we found that 70 percent of the new infections in the world were coming from Europe, that cluster of countries, and of the 35 states - 30 out of 35 of them who were more recently getting infections were getting them from them - that was predominantly from Italy and from France and from Germany.' Link to post Share on other sites
littleblackheart Posted March 12, 2020 Share Posted March 12, 2020 France doesn't need to shut the border to Italy because Italy is on lockdown already... The UK has not closed any borders. At all. Plus basically infected Americans are free to roam the UK unchecked. This is so poorly thought out... 2 Link to post Share on other sites
elaine567 Posted March 12, 2020 Share Posted March 12, 2020 (edited) Our(UK) battle plan from our PM today Quote It says that from Friday: All people with flu-like symptoms - a fever above 37.8C or a persistent cough - should self-isolate (stay at home, away from other people) for seven days Schools should not take trips abroad Older people and those with pre-existing health conditions should avoid cruises Brilliant!!!SMH. Edited March 12, 2020 by elaine567 spacing 1 Link to post Share on other sites
elaine567 Posted March 12, 2020 Share Posted March 12, 2020 (edited) 8 minutes ago, littleblackheart said: Plus basically infected Americans are free to roam the UK unchecked. This is so poorly thought out... As an island we could have had an advantage early doors... but no... Edited March 12, 2020 by elaine567 1 Link to post Share on other sites
Author gaius Posted March 12, 2020 Author Share Posted March 12, 2020 It's definitely up for debate how effective it will be. We've been letting in Europeans without screening for weeks now and there are lots of world trotting Americans overseas who are trying to flee back home and have the same risk of bringing more disease in. Plus it's already here in significant form. So it's immediate result will probably be nill. If in the long term though Europe's strategy is to just let everyone get it and "flatten the curve" as so many people like to say, it might end up being effective, if teamed with aggressive testing and quarantine efforts. Link to post Share on other sites
2BGoodAgain Posted March 12, 2020 Share Posted March 12, 2020 at this point, it isn't about preventing covid-19 from infecting everyone... it's about lessening the burden on our medical system to handle the flow of the infected... and time for a vaccine to be produce. this virus will get out eventually... to everyone or near everyone... 2 Link to post Share on other sites
littleblackheart Posted March 12, 2020 Share Posted March 12, 2020 My son was due to go on a school trip to Spain on Sunday. Just learned 1 hour ago it is being postponed. I have students who are due to sit exams in 10 days - afaik, still going ahead. 3 friends are in Spain right now, and another one is going to Switzerland tomorrow, all fine. No rationing of anything; instead travel hand sanitiser bottles go for £25 a pop. Clearly waiting for the last minute to make a quick buck. This is so cynical it's not funny. Not particularly concerned about the virus myself and find the mass panic more unsettling than the virus itself; it's no more dangerous than any other, but still it's super contagious and there is no vaccine so it makes sense to work collectively with solidarity instead of trying to score absurd political 'friendship' points with some countries and not others when lives are at risk. If this virus is showing one thing, it's the ugly, profiteering, self-centered side of the human race. 1 Link to post Share on other sites
elaine567 Posted March 12, 2020 Share Posted March 12, 2020 "Flatten the curve and essentially do nothing is the UK response, other European countries are being more proactive, at least latterly as the numbers and deaths rise.. The UK has such a pared down NHS due to austerity that the intensive care beds are never going to cope with anything major. Northern Italy is a very rich part of the country with state of the art medical services and they can't cope... I guess the UK Govt are hoping some of the "elderly and vulnerable" will die at home during their "self isolation"... 1 Link to post Share on other sites
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