Author gaius Posted March 12, 2020 Author Share Posted March 12, 2020 5 minutes ago, 2BGoodAgain said: at this point, it isn't about preventing covid-19 from infecting everyone... it's about lessening the burden on our medical system to handle the flow of the infected... and time for a vaccine to be produce. this virus will get out eventually... to everyone or near everyone... That's actually a lie though. China has effectively squashed the spread of the virus after having one of the worst outbreak situations you could deal with. Out of a billion people they squished the numbers down to under 100,000. Not everyone got it. Far from it. Our medical officials in the west are choosing to let everyone get it with their actions. If there was ever anything that met the definition of criminal negligence, this is it. Link to post Share on other sites
elaine567 Posted March 12, 2020 Share Posted March 12, 2020 President Macron of France said today - Quote 'It will hit the most vulnerable people first and we are taking great efforts to increase massively the capacity in our hospitals. 'We have to prepare for the second wave, which will hit younger people. We have to prepare our emergency staff. Second wave? That sounds scary, but may be why this is all being taken so very seriously.. Italian doctors did report they are .dealing with younger patients, exhausted by the virus, now needing ventilation. Maybe that is what he meant. Link to post Share on other sites
Author gaius Posted March 12, 2020 Author Share Posted March 12, 2020 Maybe Macron's talking about when the people who have caught it from the currently diagnosed cases in France start getting sick. One of the biggest misconceptions right now seems to be you don't have anything to worry about if you're not elderly. Perfectly healthy people in their 30's, 40's and 50's are getting sick to the point they need hospitalization and sometimes ventilators. If there's enough resources to effectively treat them all then yeah, they'll most likely pull through. But a situation like Italy's, where there's not enough resources, is something no country is immune to. 1 Link to post Share on other sites
littleblackheart Posted March 12, 2020 Share Posted March 12, 2020 (edited) 13 minutes ago, elaine567 said: President Macron of France said today - Second wave? That sounds scary, but may be why this is all being taken so very seriously.. Italian doctors did report they are .dealing with younger patients, exhausted by the virus, now needing ventilation. Maybe that is what he meant. From his speech: 'For our collective interest, from Monday and until further notice, nurseries, schools, colleges, high schools and universities will be closed. 'Closed for a simple reason: our children and our youngest, according to scientists, are the ones who seem to spread the virus the fastest.' Special childcare will be organised for healthcare professionals who have children so they are not burdened by childcare duties. Edited March 12, 2020 by littleblackheart Link to post Share on other sites
sothereiwas Posted March 12, 2020 Share Posted March 12, 2020 39 minutes ago, elaine567 said: "Flatten the curve and essentially do nothing is the UK response, other European countries are being more proactive, at least latterly as the numbers and deaths rise.. The UK has such a pared down NHS due to austerity that the intensive care beds are never going to cope with anything major. Northern Italy is a very rich part of the country with state of the art medical services and they can't cope... I guess the UK Govt are hoping some of the "elderly and vulnerable" will die at home during their "self isolation"... Glad we have the system we have and not theirs. Link to post Share on other sites
elaine567 Posted March 12, 2020 Share Posted March 12, 2020 (edited) @littleblackheartI get there may be second, third, fourth... waves due to all sorts of reasons including the petri dishes that are our schools, but why would emergency services need to be prepared for younger patients, as up till now we have been informed we only need to be worried about the elderly and infirm Edited March 12, 2020 by elaine567 Link to post Share on other sites
littleblackheart Posted March 12, 2020 Share Posted March 12, 2020 @elaine567I think he's saying that children and young people, while not at risk themselves in terms of symptoms, are the ones infecting others so in order to avoid a second wave of infections, kids should be staying at home and have minimal contact with people at risk. 1 Link to post Share on other sites
elaine567 Posted March 12, 2020 Share Posted March 12, 2020 Just now, littleblackheart said: @elaine567I think he's saying that children and young people, while not at risk themselves in terms of symptoms, are the ones infecting others so in order to avoid a second wave of infections, kids should be staying at home and have minimal contact with people at risk. I am well aware of that, but he said "a second wave that will hit younger people. " Not a second wave that will be caused by younger people spreading the disease. Link to post Share on other sites
littleblackheart Posted March 12, 2020 Share Posted March 12, 2020 9 minutes ago, elaine567 said: I am well aware of that, but he said "a second wave that will hit younger people. " Not a second wave that will be caused by younger people spreading the disease. I think he's just preempting and making sure France is prepared for it rather than it be based on evidence. It's a precautionary measure for now, which makes complete sense, but that's not the main point of his speech at all. 1 Link to post Share on other sites
elaine567 Posted March 12, 2020 Share Posted March 12, 2020 Just now, littleblackheart said: I think he's just preempting and making sure France is prepared for it rather than it be based on evidence. It's a precautionary measure for now, which makes complete sense, but that's not the main point of his speech at all. I didn't say it was the main point of his speech. It was an interesting "aside". 1 Link to post Share on other sites
Beendaredonedat Posted March 12, 2020 Share Posted March 12, 2020 50 minutes ago, littleblackheart said: From his speech: 'For our collective interest, from Monday and until further notice, nurseries, schools, colleges, high schools and universities will be closed. 'Closed for a simple reason: our children and our youngest, according to scientists, are the ones who seem to spread the virus the fastest.' Special childcare will be organised for healthcare professionals who have children so they are not burdened by childcare duties. We have one week spring break due next week but the govnmnt has just ordered all schools closed for an additional two weeks... three in total. Link to post Share on other sites
RecentChange Posted March 12, 2020 Share Posted March 12, 2020 (edited) On 3/9/2020 at 12:08 PM, simpycurious said: One of the largest US sporting events is about to take place over the next several weeks. I am curious to see how attendance will be impacted. It's the NCAA Basketball Tournament (March Madness). Will college fans TRAVEL to see their teams play across the country? If attendance is down, it will dramatically impact the hospitality industry in the host cities. It's official, NCAA tournaments cancelled. Along of course with NBA, NHL, MBL etc have been put on hold. Edited March 12, 2020 by RecentChange 1 Link to post Share on other sites
littleblackheart Posted March 12, 2020 Share Posted March 12, 2020 (edited) 11 minutes ago, Beendaredonedat said: We have one week spring break due next week but the govnmnt has just ordered all schools closed for an additional two weeks... three in total. 16 countries in Europe so far have made that same decision. Makes much more sense at this point than closing borders, imo - it's not like the virus is discriminating on nationality grounds. Edited March 12, 2020 by littleblackheart 2 Link to post Share on other sites
CautiouslyOptimistic Posted March 12, 2020 Share Posted March 12, 2020 I county I live on the border of declared lockdown for 2 weeks which means all schools, gyms, theaters, recreation centers, etc. So far not grocery stores but I'm seeing pics on Facebook from friends waiting in 45 minute lines at the grocery store. Craziness. Link to post Share on other sites
RecentChange Posted March 12, 2020 Share Posted March 12, 2020 16 minutes ago, CautiouslyOptimistic said: I county I live on the border of declared lockdown for 2 weeks which means all schools, gyms, theaters, recreation centers, etc. So far not grocery stores but I'm seeing pics on Facebook from friends waiting in 45 minute lines at the grocery store. Craziness. Really? I have heard of some school closures but no county wide shut downs. What county is closing everything? Link to post Share on other sites
CautiouslyOptimistic Posted March 12, 2020 Share Posted March 12, 2020 4 minutes ago, RecentChange said: Really? I have heard of some school closures but no county wide shut downs. What county is closing everything? Montgomery County (PA) 1 Link to post Share on other sites
RecentChange Posted March 12, 2020 Share Posted March 12, 2020 19 minutes ago, CautiouslyOptimistic said: Montgomery County (PA) Looks like San Francisco just closed schools for 3 weeks..... 1 Link to post Share on other sites
CautiouslyOptimistic Posted March 12, 2020 Share Posted March 12, 2020 2 minutes ago, RecentChange said: Looks like San Francisco just closed schools for 3 weeks..... I'm so glad I'm not a teacher.....having to scramble to try to adjust the curriculum for the rest of the year and/or switch to teaching online? No thanks. 4 Link to post Share on other sites
Gaeta Posted March 12, 2020 Share Posted March 12, 2020 Today our city has shut down all municipal buildings and activities, our Province is asking the population to cancel all events with above 250 people. Some schools have started closing on their own before the order is given. I hope my teen school will close tomorrow or Monday, it's a big high school of 2600 students and lots of stories of kids traveling to Europe and back. Our PM is asking for employers to get their employees go back home a different hours so it doesn't crowd the public transportation. The city is already getting quieter, less traffic. Those who can work home stay home. 1 Link to post Share on other sites
elaine567 Posted March 12, 2020 Share Posted March 12, 2020 This is interesting. The coronavirus 'belt': Britain is right in the centre of the virus danger zone.https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2020/03/12/coronavirus-belt-britain-right-centre-virus-danger-zone/?li_source=LI&li_medium=liftigniter-rhr - see global map for the green danger zones. Temperature and humidity create a perfect breeding ground for the virus. Link to post Share on other sites
simpycurious Posted March 12, 2020 Share Posted March 12, 2020 52 minutes ago, CautiouslyOptimistic said: I'm so glad I'm not a teacher.....having to scramble to try to adjust the curriculum for the rest of the year and/or switch to teaching online? No thanks. The beaches and lakes are getting crowded. People are ditching the densely populated city environments and opting for wide open spaces. I am following suit. 3 Link to post Share on other sites
RecentChange Posted March 12, 2020 Share Posted March 12, 2020 49 minutes ago, Gaeta said: The city is already getting quieter, less traffic. Those who can work home stay home. I haven't seen such little traffic in the San Francisco Bay area in the past 25 years. 2 Link to post Share on other sites
BaileyB Posted March 13, 2020 Share Posted March 13, 2020 (edited) 1 hour ago, Gaeta said: Today our city has shut down all municipal buildings and activities, our Province is asking the population to cancel all events with above 250 people. Some schools have started closing on their own before the order is given. I hope my teen school will close tomorrow or Monday, it's a big high school of 2600 students and lots of stories of kids traveling to Europe and back. Our PM is asking for employers to get their employees go back home a different hours so it doesn't crowd the public transportation. The city is already getting quieter, less traffic. Those who can work home stay home. Same for us. I work in a health facility, but not a hospital. I anticipate we will be asked to stay home soon, many vulnerable children with complex medical needs. My other job is in the community, we have been told to call ahead and screen before visits - but I think that will change soon too. My city is shutting down and staying home... Edited March 13, 2020 by BaileyB 1 Link to post Share on other sites
Happy Lemming Posted March 13, 2020 Share Posted March 13, 2020 2 hours ago, RecentChange said: It's official, NCAA tournaments cancelled. Along of course with NBA, NHL, MBL etc have been put on hold. Not that it is a major sport, but the XFL also suspended its season. Link to post Share on other sites
simpycurious Posted March 13, 2020 Share Posted March 13, 2020 Now I am wondering about the Masters. I still cannot believe they cancelled March Madness. I read today that it is estimated that in excess of 10 Billion US dollars are bet on the Men's NCAA Basketball Tournament. Even the bookies are gonna take a hit. 1 Link to post Share on other sites
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