pepperbird Posted March 13, 2020 Share Posted March 13, 2020 8 hours ago, Lobouspo said: Prime Minister Justin Trudeau's wife has tested positive He was warned to put measures in place, but he refused to do so for PC reasons. 1 Link to post Share on other sites
LivingWaterPlease Posted March 13, 2020 Share Posted March 13, 2020 4 hours ago, NuevoYorko said: Do you believe that the reports of COVID-19's level of contagiousness are merely constructs of what you call the DEEP STATE and FAKE NEWS? Or do you think there's something to it? If there happens to be some factual basis behind what the medical professionals (who may, indeed, be secret agents of some type perpetuating a hoax - but just in case ) are reporting, carrying on just as you always have may be putting others at serious risk. Is this OK with you as long as they already have one foot in the grave? Those are quotes from experts, not from me. I believe it's just another corona virus. There are seven corona viruses and the common cold is one of them. Since reading this thread I've been doing a lot of research and plan to continue. There's a lot out there to back up these quotes I'm posting from experts. No, I'm putting no one at risk. I have no corona virus. I actually have things that keep me from getting any virus at all. But there are warnings out there from the powers that be to stay away from natural things that could kill this corona virus, this flu virus. The flu virus has killed people for decades, the old and infirm, sadly. Just wait, very soon there will be a vaccine available that will be touted as a cure all. It's a money maker. All about the $$ Just wait and see the results of this. Elderly folks have always died from the flu. I'm elderly but I don't have to die from this if I keep my immune system up. I' Time will show you this is so. Most people, who are not immunocompromised have recovered from this, even in other countries. The immunocompromised have never fared well with the ordinary flu. Look at statistics of those who have died with the flu. Link to post Share on other sites
LivingWaterPlease Posted March 13, 2020 Share Posted March 13, 2020 2 hours ago, littleblackheart said: You can only build the immune system through herd immunisation when the majority of the population has already been inoculated with a vaccine, though. There isn't one. The problem here is not really how dangerous covid-19 is, it's how fast it's spreading. It's too much of a risk for already vulnerable people, and it puts too much strain on the health service if not contained properly. Even if 'only' 10% of the population get it (very conservative figure) and even if most people will likely be fine, it still leaves something like 3.5% who will not be fine. In a population of 70 million, it's like over 1.5 million, which is huge for any health service to cope with on top of everything else. It doesn't take a vaccine to build immunization. It takes good nutrition and even supplementation. My immune system is very weak, I catch everything that comes around, without supplementation. I was in a house for a week at Christmas time with six children who all had the flu. I didn't get it because I take things that pump up my immune system and have a product that kills viruses. Any of the children who would take the remedies I had got over the flu within hours. Link to post Share on other sites
thefooloftheyear Posted March 13, 2020 Share Posted March 13, 2020 Perhaps this will be a much needed wake up call for a country(US) that loves to complain about their medical system, but does practically nothing proactive to actually minimize or prevent themselves from needing the system... But I doubt anyone will do anything.....its much easier to just complain... TFY Link to post Share on other sites
simpycurious Posted March 13, 2020 Share Posted March 13, 2020 4 hours ago, RecentChange said: Think all that "distraction" time that sports provide, will need to be filled with other endeavors. Like perhaps writing people they lost connection with ,😏 I know people in my area are planning "virtual get togethers" to help the extroverts through this time People should ALWAYS "write" to people that are important to them regardless of the circumstances. Sometimes being disconnected with someone can make you realize how much they mean to you. 1 Link to post Share on other sites
Gaeta Posted March 13, 2020 Share Posted March 13, 2020 2 hours ago, basil67 said: that it can't live above 26'C and not more than a few hours on hard surfaces. I had that debate with my boyfriend, he wanted us to start drinking hot tea. I hate this type of misleading information. It lives 10 hours on a hard surface which is enough to contaminate 100s of people taking public transportation, and it's 30C + in Africa and South America and the virus is thriving. Lets not forget human body temperature is at 37C and the virus survives just fine at that temperature. 2 Link to post Share on other sites
Gaeta Posted March 13, 2020 Share Posted March 13, 2020 27 minutes ago, LivingWaterPlease said: and have a product that kills viruses. Nothing kills viruses once you are infected. Your body simply fight it back until it becomes dormant that's why you become immune after getting a virus and you cannot get it twice, cause you already has it already. If medicine could kill viruses no body would carry hsv, hiv, hpv, hepatitis, and common wart. 1 1 Link to post Share on other sites
littleblackheart Posted March 13, 2020 Share Posted March 13, 2020 (edited) 39 minutes ago, LivingWaterPlease said: It doesn't take a vaccine to build immunization. It takes good nutrition and even supplementation. Maybe for 1 or a handful of people, but for not millions of people; the risk level is simply too high without a vaccine. You personally may be able to fight this with good nutrition and vitamin supplements, but others simply can't; that's just fact. So we need to take as fewer risks as possible in the interest and for the benefit of all, not just us as individuals. On an individual level, if all you do is practice social distance, keep traveling to a minimum, don't go to crowded places and wash your hands often, you're already helping. On a bigger scale, it makes complete sense for big events to be cancelled and to telework, because being in a confined space with too many people (schools, hospitals, concert halls, gyms, cinemas, etc) for too long risks the health of others. Loss of income due to lack of staturory sick leave, or putting yourself at risk because you don't have health cover is the real problem, imo. Edited March 13, 2020 by littleblackheart Link to post Share on other sites
elaine567 Posted March 13, 2020 Share Posted March 13, 2020 Anti virals kill viruses, but we don'[t have an antiviral that will specifically kill this one. They are trying to repurpose existing drugs to variable effect. Link to post Share on other sites
serial muse Posted March 13, 2020 Share Posted March 13, 2020 3 hours ago, basil67 said: I'm local to you @ufo8mycat and understand (probably from ABC Sydney) that it can't live above 26'C and not more than a few hours on hard surfaces. The mixed messages are just adding confusion because who knows what's true... Sorry, no, this is wrong. Data show it lives up to 3 days on plastic and steel, 2 days on cardboard, 3 hours in the air. https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2020.03.09.20033217v1.full.pdf (link is a pdf) 2 Link to post Share on other sites
Ellener Posted March 13, 2020 Share Posted March 13, 2020 On 3/8/2020 at 1:57 PM, sothereiwas said: Maybe so, perhaps my people are atypical. Everyone I know has at least one container of the stuff in their purse or EDC, and at least one in every car, as well as a couple huge costco pump-top vats of the stuff around the house. I go in and out of nursing homes and large buildings, I always have and use it before I go in, when I come out. That prevents spread of other illnesses ( like D & V norovirus ) too. Link to post Share on other sites
Ellener Posted March 13, 2020 Share Posted March 13, 2020 This is an overview of the world figures as they are released, updated daily https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/ Link to post Share on other sites
sothereiwas Posted March 13, 2020 Share Posted March 13, 2020 2 hours ago, Gaeta said: Nothing kills viruses once you are infected. Your body simply fight it back until it becomes dormant Some viruses like Herpes do this but it's not how all viruses work AFAIK. Link to post Share on other sites
2BGoodAgain Posted March 13, 2020 Share Posted March 13, 2020 17 hours ago, gaius said: That's actually a lie though. China has effectively squashed the spread of the virus after having one of the worst outbreak situations you could deal with. Out of a billion people they squished the numbers down to under 100,000. Not everyone got it. Far from it. Our medical officials in the west are choosing to let everyone get it with their actions. If there was ever anything that met the definition of criminal negligence, this is it. What's a lie? That China hid this virus and lied about it until it get out of hand, and only admitted it b/c it was too hard to keep it a secret. Or that somehow the US is responsible for the virus, b/c the US military gave it to the chinese during their military olympics a year ago? Not sure, which lie you're talking about? Link to post Share on other sites
2BGoodAgain Posted March 13, 2020 Share Posted March 13, 2020 24 minutes ago, sothereiwas said: Some viruses like Herpes do this but it's not how all viruses work AFAIK. That's true... so anyone, what do we know about the COVID-19 virus? does it ever go away or does it remain dormant in the body? Link to post Share on other sites
Gaeta Posted March 13, 2020 Share Posted March 13, 2020 2 hours ago, elaine567 said: Anti virals kill viruses, but we don'[t have an antiviral that will specifically kill this one. They are trying to repurpose existing drugs to variable effect. Antivirals do NOT kill viruses. antiviral drugs do not destroy their target pathogen; instead they inhibit their development. 3 Link to post Share on other sites
2BGoodAgain Posted March 13, 2020 Share Posted March 13, 2020 3 minutes ago, Gaeta said: Antivirals do NOT kill viruses. antiviral drugs do not destroy their target pathogen; instead they inhibit their development. thanks for educating us. never knew that. 1 Link to post Share on other sites
Gaeta Posted March 13, 2020 Share Posted March 13, 2020 35 minutes ago, sothereiwas said: Some viruses like Herpes do this but it's not how all viruses work AFAIK. All viruses work the same. They don't attack the same system in the body but they work the same. Regardless of the type of host cell, all viruses follow the same basic steps in what is known as the lytic cycle Link to post Share on other sites
Gaeta Posted March 13, 2020 Share Posted March 13, 2020 1 minute ago, 2BGoodAgain said: thanks for educating us. never knew that. Sadly I know about viruses as I carry a virus and take antiviral. Link to post Share on other sites
2BGoodAgain Posted March 13, 2020 Share Posted March 13, 2020 22 minutes ago, Gaeta said: Sadly I know about viruses as I carry a virus and take antiviral. sorry to hear that.... so on that topic... so once you get it, you carry it... which is what i learned in school, but i thought mebbe there was new research on it. as for China n the coronavirus... they locked down an entire city... b/c reliable information isn't historically, very likely from that regime... we can only suspect the validity or even how it was achieved. I don't see most democratic countries locking down cities, as China has the authoritarian power to do so, depending on the severity, it could happen. And b/c they locked down the entire city, we can't presume it ends with that. Link to post Share on other sites
Gaeta Posted March 13, 2020 Share Posted March 13, 2020 I have a soar throat just thinking about it, sigh! My boyfriend is asthmatic, we are closing our home to visitors. Because I have a teen of 15 yo there is a lot of teen traffic in my home so, no more of that. Link to post Share on other sites
sothereiwas Posted March 13, 2020 Share Posted March 13, 2020 (edited) 45 minutes ago, Gaeta said: all viruses follow the same basic steps in what is known as the lytic cycle OK, I would agree this seems to be true, and while I'm no virologist, what I think I know is that the steps of the lytic cycle are Attachment, Penetration, Transcription, Biosynthesis, Maturation and finally Lysis, where the cell is destroyed. Again, AFAIK, the cycle Herpes and other "hiding" viruses go into to become dormant is not the lytic cycle, it is, from the cursory info I actually seem to remember, known as the 'Lysogenic cycle", and from what little I looked up a moment ago it seems (again, not an expert) that only some viruses have the tools needed to enter this phase. For instance, I looked up a little info on the Rhinovirus, and it seems to be documented as following only the lytic cycle. Again, eager to learn. Edited March 13, 2020 by sothereiwas 1 Link to post Share on other sites
balin Posted March 13, 2020 Share Posted March 13, 2020 Just now, Gaeta said: asthmatic Me too. Yikes. Link to post Share on other sites
sothereiwas Posted March 13, 2020 Share Posted March 13, 2020 20 minutes ago, sothereiwas said: For instance, I looked up a little info on the Rhinovirus, and it seems to be documented as following only the lytic cycle. So no, the common cold doesn't seem to 'hide' in our cells, and this seems to be true of many other lytic only viruses. Like the flu, I think, and AFAIK Corona as well. Again, eager to learn. Link to post Share on other sites
thefooloftheyear Posted March 13, 2020 Share Posted March 13, 2020 (edited) Some of the testimonials showing up now of people that had it and got through it suggests its really not that much different from any other flu bug....In fact, it seems like the symptoms are both shorter duration and less severe...Fever and a general sick feeling is about all I am hearing... Ill say this much, having had to deal with shingles(a variant of the virus that gave chicken pox as a kid) a few years back, I can tell you that ill take the corona over shingles any day of the week.... TFY Edited March 13, 2020 by thefooloftheyear Link to post Share on other sites
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