Novel Coronavirus COVID-19

[carhill]

There are other exceptions/modifications. One example

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Persons with a medical condition, mental health condition, or disability that prevents wearing a face covering. This includes persons with a medical condition for whom wearing a face covering could obstruct breathing or who are unconscious, incapacitated, or otherwise unable to remove a face covering without assistance.

So, no masks on the comatose 👍

[SincereOnlineGuy]

On 6/12/2020 at 2:16 PM, thefooloftheyear said:

 how can anyone use this data to make any conclusions with regard to how bad it is now vs then?? The testing criteria would have had to be the same to make any conclusion, otherwise its noteworthy but not anything that can be used as a comparison..

TFY

 

That is the core reason why all of the testing data that you see now, in these Covid times, is relatively pointless and meaningless.

 

That data compares June 19 data taken when not too many were flying willy-nilly around the world or around the continent   only to  data from 3 months earlier when not too many were flying willy-nilly around the continent.

The real fun starts when people go back to their usual routines.

 

There are places today in the USA where 7 to 10% of the entire population have tested positive for Covid.  Those places got to those levels despite most everyone having been restricted to their own general areas, and with almost zero people flying in from across the continent or across the world.

Anybody with any sense for numbers at all can figure out where this heads when populations return to their normal 'freedom'.

[carhill]

Mask up, Oregon...

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Applicability: This guidance applies to:•All businesses, as defined below, and to the general public when visiting these businesses, in Clackamas, Hood River, Lincoln, Marion, Multnomah, Polk and Washingtoncounties. Effective date: June 24, 2020

Opting In: A county not listed above that wishes to have this guidance applied in that county, can request that the Governor add that county to the list above.

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A business is required to: •Require employees, contractors, volunteers, customers and visitors to wear a mask, face shield, or face covering, unless an accommodation or exemption is required by law or one of the following exemptions applies.  Employees, contractors and volunteers: Masks, face coverings or face shields are not required when eating/drinking or when at or in a location where the employee is not interacting with the public and six (6) or more feet of distance can be maintained between other employees.  Customers and visitors: oMasks, face shields or face coverings are not required in restaurants, bars, breweries, brewpubs, wineries, tasting room and distilleries while eating or drinking.oMasks, face shields or face coverings are not required when at a business and engaged in an activity that makes wearing a mask, face shield or face covering not feasible, such as strenuous physical exercise, singing or playing an instrument if at least six (6) feet of distance is maintained from others.

Since things have opened up, well, big city folk are now showing up at their beach houses and our campgrounds anyway, the county has seen a marked spike in cases, three, now driving the case load to a record high 32, though fortunately 28 have recovered leaving four who might deteriorate and die, though none of the 32 have yet. However, with humans from those well-infected counties invading the beaches, hope springs eternal. There's a half dozen cars from Portlandia and Salemia parked next door this afternoon and people milling about as normal, climbing into their beach buggies and onto their motorcycles for some noise and freedom for the weekend. Then back to mask-land.

Full order....

https://sharedsystems.dhsoha.state.or.us/DHSForms/Served/le2351j.pdf

[serial muse]

On 6/12/2020 at 5:16 PM, thefooloftheyear said:

Correct me if I am wrong, but if they are testing more now than at any other time, then obviously the numbers are going to look higher...Just think of all the people that had it(or believe they did "raises hand") and beat it,  or were asymptomatic and were never counted...If they are being counted now, then how can anyone use this data to make any conclusions with regard to how bad it is now vs then?? The testing criteria would have had to be the same to make any conclusion, otherwise its noteworthy but not anything that can be used as a comparison.

TFY

 

Sure, more tests mean more identified cases, but the testing data show that COVID is also spreading through the community, particularly in the US south and west. The problem with blaming it all on more testing is that we actually have data on tests administered as well as on new cases and they do not track together. The COVID Tracking Project has been keeping an eye on this.

In 14 states, the number of new cases rose faster than the number of new tests. In 6 other states (Kentucky, Missouri, Oklahoma, South Carolina, South Dakota and Wyoming), the average number of new cases increased after May 31 even though the average number of daily tests actually declined.

I'll link to the data in a separate post so as not to delay this one.

[serial muse]

Just now, serial muse said:

Sure, more tests mean more identified cases, but the testing data show that COVID is also spreading through the community, particularly in the US south and west. The problem with blaming it all on more testing is that we actually have data on tests administered as well as on new cases and they do not track together. The COVID Tracking Project has been keeping an eye on this.

In 14 states, the number of new cases rose faster than the number of new tests. In 6 other states (Kentucky, Missouri, Oklahoma, South Carolina, South Dakota and Wyoming), the average number of new cases increased after May 31 even though the average number of daily tests actually declined.

I'll link to the data in a separate post so as not to delay this one.

https://covidtracking.com/data

[QuietRiot]

3 hours ago, serial muse said:

Sure, more tests mean more identified cases, but the testing data show that COVID is also spreading through the community, particularly in the US south and west. The problem with blaming it all on more testing is that we actually have data on tests administered as well as on new cases and they do not track together. The COVID Tracking Project has been keeping an eye on this.

In 14 states, the number of new cases rose faster than the number of new tests. In 6 other states (Kentucky, Missouri, Oklahoma, South Carolina, South Dakota and Wyoming), the average number of new cases increased after May 31 even though the average number of daily tests actually declined.

I'll link to the data in a separate post so as not to delay this one.

Exactly, this is proven as bars are having to shut their doors due to cases that the employees AND patrons have tested positive for Covid. Since this hits so close to home, it's prove positive that it's more than just more testing...it's proving "community spread". There are outbreaks that are localized. 

In orlando, the local govt had to suspends a bars liquor licence due to not respecting social distancing mandates that were set in place recently.  I was like "Good for them!" The 20-something punks were ass to knuckles at the bars, stuffed in like sardines. Of course, 20 year olds are thinking their are invulnerable....so they the don't give a crap! They are contributors to the spread.

Cities pleaded with the Florida state governor to make mask wearing required statewide...and he 100% rejected it. Obviously, he's got a hard on for Trump. Now, local cities are having to take action...that is if they choose to.

During phase 1, they cancelled all local fireworks. I live in a small cluster of cities that re close together. Now we're in the latter half of phase 2, and the hicks decided to go ahead with the fireworks gatherings. That said, this will contribute to our sleepy area's covid spread.  God help us all.

Edited June 23, 2020 by QuietRiot

[Piddy]

I was shocked at all the young people at Trump's rally in Arizona sitting side by side and most weren't wearing a mask.  Ignorance is bliss, especially young ignorance.  I guess that's what some would call real leadership. 🙄  Dr. Fauci said yesterday we're still not done with the first wave.

   The good news was that they're in phase 3 trials for a vaccine.  And they're stockpiling the not yet approved vaccine so as to if and when it's approved it can be available on a large scale.  Could be ready by the first of next year.

[QuietRiot]

2 minutes ago, Piddy said:

I was shocked at all the young people at Trump's rally in Arizona sitting side by side and most weren't wearing a mask.  Ignorance is bliss, especially young ignorance.  I guess that's what some would call real leadership. 🙄  Dr. Fauci said yesterday we're still not done with the first wave.

   The good news was that they're in phase 3 trials for a vaccine.  And they're stockpiling the not yet approved vaccine so as to if and when it's approved it can be available on a large scale.  Could be ready by the first of next year.

Also, the death rate is consistently going down (as of the past 7 to 8 weeks), likely due in part in being able to manage the virus with the ever common Dexamethasone (I think I spelled that righ,t, lol). 

There is also talks of having a vaccine by the end if this year, as opposed to the predicted 18 months back in March.

Edited June 24, 2020 by QuietRiot

[Piddy]

2 minutes ago, QuietRiot said:

Also, the death rate is consistently going down (as of the past 7 to 8 weeks), likely due in part in being able to manage the virus with the ever common Dexamethasone (I think I spelled that righ,t, lol). 

Yeah, I've heard the death rate is going down which of course is good news.  Heard it could be mutating to a less deadly form as well.  Who knows?   On a side note.  My wife's companies CEO came and spoke to her group yesterday.  He's 64 and was in China at the end of January. 

He said when he returned he was never so sick in his life.  Was never diagnosed though, but thinks he may have contacted the virus in China.  I think the number of cases are much higher than have been reported, simply because many who may have had the virus just stayed home and recovered.

[serial muse]

14 hours ago, QuietRiot said:

Exactly, this is proven as bars are having to shut their doors due to cases that the employees AND patrons have tested positive for Covid. Since this hits so close to home, it's prove positive that it's more than just more testing...it's proving "community spread". There are outbreaks that are localized. 

In orlando, the local govt had to suspends a bars liquor licence due to not respecting social distancing mandates that were set in place recently.  I was like "Good for them!" The 20-something punks were ass to knuckles at the bars, stuffed in like sardines. Of course, 20 year olds are thinking their are invulnerable....so they the don't give a crap! They are contributors to the spread.

Cities pleaded with the Florida state governor to make mask wearing required statewide...and he 100% rejected it. Obviously, he's got a hard on for Trump. Now, local cities are having to take action...that is if they choose to.

During phase 1, they cancelled all local fireworks. I live in a small cluster of cities that re close together. Now we're in the latter half of phase 2, and the hicks decided to go ahead with the fireworks gatherings. That said, this will contribute to our sleepy area's covid spread.  God help us all.

What De Santos (FL gov) is doing is very bizarre...my H and I were just talking about this, and the thing is, he JUST got elected and he's not up for re-election this year. He has time! He could do the right thing! So it's just unfathomable that he would endanger the people of his state in this way.

The whistleblower who got fired in FL for putting accurate data on the dashboard reported something very disturbing last night, per sources she still has at the FL Dept of Health. FL has already said that it will stop counting available ICU beds, because those numbers figure specifically into determining whether the state can move on to its next phase of reopening before the July 4 holiday weekend. So that's one way of hiding data.

But even more disturbingly, the the state has begun to delete numbers of new cases starting next week, so as to make it appear that the numbers are going down now, and will step up that effort next week, to make it appear that there has been a "hump" that the state is now coming down from. This is just criminal negligence.

Links in followup post.

[serial muse]

1 minute ago, serial muse said:

What De Santos (FL gov) is doing is very bizarre...my H and I were just talking about this, and the thing is, he JUST got elected and he's not up for re-election this year. He has time! He could do the right thing! So it's just unfathomable that he would endanger the people of his state in this way.

The whistleblower who got fired in FL for putting accurate data on the dashboard reported something very disturbing last night, per sources she still has at the FL Dept of Health. FL has already said that it will stop counting available ICU beds, because those numbers figure specifically into determining whether the state can move on to its next phase of reopening before the July 4 holiday weekend. So that's one way of hiding data.

But even more disturbingly, the the state has begun to delete numbers of new cases starting next week, so as to make it appear that the numbers are going down now, and will step up that effort next week, to make it appear that there has been a "hump" that the state is now coming down from. This is just criminal negligence.

Links in followup post.

Edit to above post - they have begun deleting numbers this week, and will step it up next week.

Edited June 24, 2020 by serial muse

[serial muse]

2 hours ago, QuietRiot said:

Also, the death rate is consistently going down (as of the past 7 to 8 weeks), likely due in part in being able to manage the virus with the ever common Dexamethasone (I think I spelled that righ,t, lol). 

There is also talks of having a vaccine by the end if this year, as opposed to the predicted 18 months back in March.

One of the main reasons for the declining death rate is that community spread is now greater among younger people. However...that just means that it's spreading everywhere again. And I'm terrified for my elderly mother in Florida, because now that it's spreading like wildfire around the state, how long will it be before the elderly there start dying again?

So much blood on the hands of these politicians.

I am in despair. I feel like grabbing and shaking some sense - or, I guess, some soul? - into every single one of you who claims to be a human being but won't protect those around you out of some misguided sense that your freedoms are being impinged upon. It is more than disappointing to see how selfish people are. It is crushing. This anti-science crusade that some of you are on, have been on, have clung to because it's telling you what you want to hear instead of what you need to listen to - so misguided, so cruel, so selfish.

Edited June 24, 2020 by serial muse

[sothereiwas]

28 minutes ago, serial muse said:

What De Santos (FL gov) is doing is very bizarre...my H and I were just talking about this, and the thing is, he JUST got elected and he's not up for re-election this year. He has time! He could do the right thing! So it's just unfathomable that he would endanger the people of his state in this way.

COVID deaths per million:

• Florida: 151
• New York: 1610
• USA overall: 373

Who's doing a bad job again?

[thefooloftheyear]

2 hours ago, Piddy said:

I was shocked at all the young people at Trump's rally in Arizona sitting side by side and most weren't wearing a mask.  Ignorance is bliss, especially young ignorance.  I guess that's what some would call real leadership. 🙄  Dr. Fauci said yesterday we're still not done with the first wave.

  

That's odd, because I don't recall any of you(or the MSM)_ getting "shocked" over the thousands of people all over the county basically on top of one another during(and continuing)  the riots and protests...

I guess the virus just cares more about them..That must be the reason....

Bottom line...No one wants to hear it....selective application of concern just discounts any of it.

TFY

[Piddy]

13 minutes ago, sothereiwas said:

COVID deaths per million:

• Florida: 151
• New York: 1610
• USA overall: 373

Who's doing a bad job again?

Florida as over 21 million people.  So that's well over 3000 deaths.  Governor Ron Desantis is a Trump disciple so we've been kind of lax here in Florida.  Pinellas county next to my county has just issued a rule that both businesses and customers must wear masks when an interaction takes place indoors.

  We're on the rise here in new cases like many states are. Trump is trying to wish it away all over again.  Didn't work the first time he tried to ignore it and won't work this time.  So, what was your point again?  🙄

Edited June 24, 2020 by Piddy

[sothereiwas]

Just now, Piddy said:

Florida as over 21 million people. ....So, what was your point again?

COVID deaths per million:

[d0nnivain]

I have been looking for statistics about spikes related to protests.  I went to a protest but wore a mask & stayed more then 6 feet away from people.  So did most of the other attendees.  There were some masked teenagers not socially distancing but for the most part people gave each other space.  If that had not been the case I would have skipped the event.  

I have been worried about the rally attendees because they are not socially distant, refuse to wear masks and are indoors. 

The indoor v outdoor setting scares me about the rallies but it also made me wonder about the funerals.  I did think it was disgracefully that certain people got elaborate funerals when ordinary not infamous people don't get to mourn together.  That does feel like a double standard.  

[Piddy]

6 minutes ago, sothereiwas said:

COVID deaths per million:

Again, Florida has over 21 million people.  So, 21 x 151 = 3150 deaths.  I just looked it up and it's currently at 3238 deaths.  So again, what is your point?

Edited June 24, 2020 by Piddy

[Piddy]

22 minutes ago, thefooloftheyear said:

That's odd, because I don't recall any of you(or the MSM)_ getting "shocked" over the thousands of people all over the county basically on top of one another during(and continuing)  the riots and protests...

I guess the virus just cares more about them..That must be the reason....

Bottom line...No one wants to hear it....selective application of concern just discounts any of it.

TFY

I saw a lot of protesters wearing masks.  Also, the protesters were outside.  More protesters wearing masks outside than the Trump rally attendees inside. 🥴   Plus, and it's a big plus. 

You have the President holding a rally inside and not advising the people to wear masks when his own science people are saying just the opposite.  Nice try though in deflecting the idiocy we see at the top.

Edited June 24, 2020 by Piddy

[clia]

6 minutes ago, Piddy said:

Again, Florida has over 21 million people.  So, 21 x 151 = 3150 deaths.  I just looked it up and it's currently at 3238 deaths.  So again, what is your point?

The point is that Florida has over 21 million people and 3,238 deaths.  New York has 19.5 million people and 30,927 deaths.

And yet Cuomo  has been praised up and down by the media and everyone else, while De Santis has been criticized.  Obviously it's not over for Florida yet, but I'd be shocked if the death toll in Floriday got anywhere close to that in New York.  It's also not over for New York yet -- they only just started reopening restaurants, etc.  I would expect the numbers there to also increase as more things start reeopening.

[d0nnivain]

Cuomo has been managing this as the facts were evolving.  We now understand the science & how social distancing & masks slow the spread.  Cuomo encourages science.  DeSantis ignores it & lets people do what they want.   NY is going down.  Florida is going up.  Hence the criticism.  

[Piddy]

8 minutes ago, clia said:

The point is that Florida has over 21 million people and 3,238 deaths.  New York has 19.5 million people and 30,927 deaths.

And yet Cuomo  has been praised up and down by the media and everyone else, while De Santis has been criticized.  Obviously it's not over for Florida yet, but I'd be shocked if the death toll in Floriday got anywhere close to that in New York.  It's also not over for New York yet -- they only just started reopening restaurants, etc.  I would expect the numbers there to also increase as more things start reeopening.

I thought Cuomo has done a good job.  He was honest, empathetic and explained what was going on.  DeSantis was indecisive and is still scatter shot. 

Florida did get hit harder in the more populated areas, but we don't have a city near the population of New York City.  Miami has less than 400,000, while New York City has over 8 million.

Edited June 24, 2020 by Piddy

[sothereiwas]

6 minutes ago, d0nnivain said:

Florida is going up.  Hence the criticism.  

Florida has to get 10x worse before it gets as bad as New York, and yet people praise Cuomo, the guy who sent COVID positive patients back into care homes. Florida has plenty of old codgers last time I knew. 

[preraph]

Donnivain, Dallas is still spiking from protests because we had them for 3 weeks.  It was an obvious jump and they are trying to test the protesters and have been, the ones who will come forward.  Some wore masks, others did not -- but masks do not stop the microparticles that we inhale.  The virus has to get into our lungs, so the particles that endanger us are so tiny as to remain airborne so that they are breathed in -- and the masks can't filter those tiny ones out.  The masks keeps larger particles from flying all over and breaking up, but can't stop the ones you breathe out or in.  Unfortunately.  That's why there's spread from people being in close proximity, even if they don't cough or sneeze.  

 

The spread in the various cities has many causes, but the most basic is simply how many people are packed into an area, and there's no bigger hot plate for that in the US than NY.  The other states, it's spread in the most densely populated areas in the most populated cities, but it's somewhat avoidable if people are careful -- but about half the people have stopped being careful due to all the many reasons, the biggest of which is young people don't usually die from it.  But they're the spreaders. 

Edited June 24, 2020 by preraph

[d0nnivain]

27 minutes ago, sothereiwas said:

Florida has to get 10x worse before it gets as bad as New York, and yet people praise Cuomo, the guy who sent COVID positive patients back into care homes. Florida has plenty of old codgers last time I knew. 

Last time I looked the Governor of any state made political & governance decisions.  Doctors made medical ones.  Cuomo did not send any Covid patient anywhere.  It's unfair to blame him.  

Many nursing homes had outbreaks that did not have patients returning from hospitals  The staff, many of who could not socially distance at home, brought it to work with them & infected the patients.  I'm specifically thinking of the 1st catastrophic nursing home in NJ.  It was a relatively small facility run by nuns.  They think an aide brought it in.  A nursing home nurse I know said they always knew the biggest source of contamination was the staff.  This was not Cuomo's fault. 

However prematurely opening bars without requiring masks is totally DeSantis' fault.  I'm not saying shut the economy down but putting sensible restrictions in place is a hallmark of good governance.  

Edited June 24, 2020 by d0nnivain