Novel Coronavirus COVID-19

[LivingWaterPlease]

4 hours ago, LivingWaterPlease said:

I'm in the USA and went to my family practice Dr. today. While there I questioned both he and his nurse about covid. I was

Both "him" and his nurse. Drives me nuts to see poor grammar. And I see it too often in my own writing! 🧐 OCD about it, I guess.

1 hour ago, schlumpy said:

Thanks you so much LWP. That makes me feel so much better.

Sure, schlumpy! Glad to read that!

[elaine567]

9 hours ago, LivingWaterPlease said:

. And my Dr. told me that if I get it I shouldn't worry because "you're a robust seventy-year old with no underlying health problems. you'll be fine."

What else was he going to say?
He didn't want to panic you.
You are in fact at moderate risk, by dint of your age.
https://www.nhs.uk/conditions/coronavirus-covid-19/people-at-higher-risk/whos-at-higher-risk-from-coronavirus/  

MS is a very variable condition, some are walking about fine for decades, others quickly become severely disabled.
Some MS people are at higher risk due to the immunosuppressive medication they take.
But others are in the moderate risk group due to the fact MS is a brain disease. 
Of course if her nephew is young and generally fit and just happens to have early MS then it is little surprise he was fine.

[elaine567]

Some potentially good news.
Eli Lilly reports promising first results for an antibody against COVID-19
 

[CaliforniaGirl]

16 hours ago, LivingWaterPlease said:

Both "him" and his nurse. Drives me nuts to see poor grammar. And I see it too often in my own writing! 🧐 OCD about it, I guess.

Sure, schlumpy! Glad to read that!

"Give it to he and I" or "they spoke to she and I" drives me crazy.   (And as for "her and I..." Dear God. Let us not go there.) It's such an easy rule. You split it. Give it to him. Give it to me. BUT people tend to think "give it to him and me" sounds illiterate. Hashtag irony. 

Not that my grammar is always perfect. There's also the issue of weird autocorrects. Oh well. What am I even babbling about?  Anyway, because I've been snagged by autocorrects that were...well, incorrect, and other odd one-offs, I tend not to give people a hard time online about it anymore. The exception is when someone calls someone else a moran or says "your an idiot." Those are just irritatingly irresistible.

So, carry on...

Edited September 17, 2020 by CaliforniaGirl
Just...irony. We'll leave it at that.

[CaliforniaGirl]

34 minutes ago, elaine567 said:

Some potentially good news.
Eli Lilly reports promising first results for an antibody against COVID-19
 

Wow!! Oh please, please, please...

[SincereOnlineGuy]

 

Sept. 16, 2020

 

1 in 1627 Americans has already died of Covid

 

1 in 48 Americans has had Covid

 

1 in 131 Americans presently do have Covid.

 

(and those are just known cases,  in six months, with nobody really going anywhere)

[LivingWaterPlease]

13 hours ago, elaine567 said:

What else was he going to say?
He didn't want to panic you.
You are in fact at moderate risk, by dint of your age.
https://www.nhs.uk/conditions/coronavirus-covid-19/people-at-higher-risk/whos-at-higher-risk-from-coronavirus/  

MS is a very variable condition, some are walking about fine for decades, others quickly become severely disabled.
Some MS people are at higher risk due to the immunosuppressive medication they take.
But others are in the moderate risk group due to the fact MS is a brain disease. 
Of course if her nephew is young and generally fit and just happens to have early MS then it is little surprise he was fine.

Agree about the MS person! A close relative has primary progressive MS and is paralyzed from it. She probably won't live for a year with or without coronavirus. I can only imagine it would do her in.

I have friends close to my age who've had it (coronavirus) and have had mild cases. I don't personally know anyone who has had a difficult case but I know they exist. An acquaintance told me an 85-year-old relative died of it. My neighbors had it, both husband and wife.

But, yes, of course, my Dr. doesn't want to get me panicked for sure! What else could he have said? I do think there are things he could have said that wouldn't have panicked me but would have been more cautionary. 

The thing that interested me most is that he said they hadn't had one serious case after all the ones he'd seen. That was jaw dropping to me.

[LivingWaterPlease]

2 hours ago, CaliforniaGirl said:

"Give it to he and I" or "they spoke to she and I" drives me crazy.  ...Those are just irritatingly irresistible.

So, carry on...

😂Thanks for the grammar camaraderie, CG! I used to be a great speller and never used grammar incorrectly but have found myself having to check spelling way too often! And making grammatical errors, too. Your and you're misused are definitely annoying. I'll probably end up doing it at some point, though! 

Edited September 17, 2020 by LivingWaterPlease

[LivingWaterPlease]

13 hours ago, elaine567 said:

Some MS people are at higher risk due to the immunosuppressive medication they take.
But others are in the moderate risk group due to the fact MS is a brain disease. 
Of course if her nephew is young and generally fit and just happens to have early MS then it is little surprise he was fine.

Didn't address this in my other response to you, elaine. Her son-in-law does take medication. However, he is young and fit. Can't recall if I mentioned she said he had mild symptoms for just a few days. The fact that he takes medication was a clue that he doesn't have primary progressive MS, as my relative does. There is no medication for primary progressive MS but I would think it would take her out to get coronavirus due to the fact most of her muscles don't work now, she has to eat through a straw, can't lift a finger, etc. What a tragedy! She was always perfectly fit and has a strong immune system. Just got this disease. So sad. Don't mean to t/j!

[elaine567]

According to our PM we are now officially in a second wave...
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-54212654

Edited September 25, 2020 by a LoveShack.org Moderator
Removed embedded image.

[schlumpy]

What about the death rate? Do you have a nice chart on the death rate?

[CaliforniaGirl]

1 hour ago, schlumpy said:

What about the death rate? Do you have a nice chart on the death rate?

A nice chart? 😟

[schlumpy]

2 hours ago, CaliforniaGirl said:

A nice chart? 😟

Don't make it more than it is CG.

[QuietRiot]

Sure the death rate may be going down, but for those who don't die, they wind up with organ/tissue damage. There's a lot of suffering if you don't die, and no one wants that.

[CaliforniaGirl]

31 minutes ago, QuietRiot said:

Sure the death rate may be going down, but for those who don't die, they wind up with organ/tissue damage. There's a lot of suffering if you don't die, and no one wants that.

I'm not sure what the actual percentage is with this but my husband still doesn't have his full sense of smell back or full feeling in one leg (nerves) and he was sick in early March. To be fair, we don't 100% know it was Covid. But it is the sickest either of his have been in our lives and every symptom matched. There simply weren't tests available for us. By the time there were, my doctor would not test because they were still limited and by then neither of us had the high fever anymore. There was a set of symptom requirements to be allowed to get tested.

I was sick for two months. My husband was sick for about a month and a half.

[CaliforniaGirl]

10 hours ago, schlumpy said:

Don't make it more than it is CG.

Um, okay? 🤷

So, first of all, we all know how many people have died. You know it as well. I'm not sure what chart you mean but the total has exceeded 200,000 in the U.S. Given the sarcasm it's hard to tell but I think you may be getting around to pointing out the percentage of deaths to total diagnoses but I'm not really sure so maybe you could clarify. I don't want to just guess at what you mean.

Second, QR brought up tissue damage. We experienced that in my household. I mean we are only two people. But that got me curious so I checked it out and according to the Lancet, 55% of a small sampling of hospitalized covid patients (60 people) still have nerve and other damage 3 months later. Anecdotally many, many, many more than that have reported nerve damage but follow-up studies will obviously be needed to make that official.

And young covid victims have an increased risk of stroke. That's the really alarming thing. This is in a condition linked to covid-19.

So yeah, people survive. But with a pretty big price for a fair amount of people, at least as strongly suggested so far. And keep in mind that the 3-month mark (as of late August) was describing people will still had damage as an ongoing thing. So for example my husband has had nerve damage for six months so far. We won't know how many other people still have damage 6 months out, a year out...permanently...or whatever the case may be, until more time has gone by. And we know that 55% of only 60 people couldn't possibly be considered representative of the entire covid positive population but we do know that reports of nerve damage abound, both from sufferers and from doctors.

You put it really coldly, Schlumpy, and I realize being dismissive (about dead people) is trending hard right now, but even for the many who live, this s*** is no joke. 

I won't convince you and that doesn't really matter (people make up their own minds) but you asked.

Anyway, here is an article and the link to the Lancet is in it if you want to get straight to the details. https://www.marketwatch.com/story/55-of-coronavirus-patients-still-have-neurological-problems-three-months-later-study-2020-08-07

Edited September 19, 2020 by CaliforniaGirl

[schlumpy]

9 minutes ago, CaliforniaGirl said:

Um, okay? 🤷

So, first of all, we all know how many people have died. You know it as well. I'm not sure what chart you mean but the total has exceeded 200,000 in the U.S. Given the sarcasm it's hard to tell but I think you may be getting around to pointing out the percentage of deaths to total diagnoses but I'm not really sure so maybe you could clarify. I don't want to just guess at what you mean.

Second, QR brought up tissue damage. We experienced that in my household. I mean we are only two people. But that got me curious so I checked it out and according to the Lancet, 55% of hospitalized covid patients still have nerve and other damage 3 months later. And young covid victims have an increased risk of stroke.

So yeah, people survive. But with a pretty big price for a fair amount of people. And keep in mind that the 3-month mark (as of late August) was describing people will still had damage as an ongoing thing. So for example my husband has had nerve damage for six months so far. We won't know how many other people still have damage 6 months out, a year out...permanently...or whatever the case may be, until more time has gone by.

You put it really coldly, Schlumpy, and I realize being dismissive (about dead people) is trending hard right now, but even for the many who live, this s*** is no joke. 

I won't convince you and that doesn't really matter (people make up their own minds) but you asked.

Anyway, here is an article and the link to the Lancet is in it if you want to get straight to the details. https://www.marketwatch.com/story/55-of-coronavirus-patients-still-have-neurological-problems-three-months-later-study-2020-08-07

That's a lot of assumption to hang on the one word "nice." Cold? Dismissive of the dead? Joke? I am sorry it triggered you but I am glad that I could provide what must have been a cathartic experience for you.

For the record, I have experienced and am still experiencing the after effects of a serious disease that I deal with every day. 

Yes, I would have responded that the deaths from Covid matter much more than the number of cases. I don't find that a cold observation but a rational one. I'm not trying to change anyone's mind if they think surviving is the same as dying. I'm trying to determine if things are getting better or worse overall and the number cases do not reflect that but the number of deaths do.

I am very sorry for the difficulties you face. My wife and I have lived closeted lives now since March and although we live in a high risk area we have avoided being infected. 

To be honest or in your view - cold, I care about your situation as much you care about mine. I take no offense at that and neither should you. The connections that would make us care in more than just a general fashion just aren't there.

 

[QuietRiot]

2 hours ago, CaliforniaGirl said:

I'm not sure what the actual percentage is with this but my husband still doesn't have his full sense of smell back or full feeling in one leg (nerves) and he was sick in early March. To be fair, we don't 100% know it was Covid. But it is the sickest either of his have been in our lives and every symptom matched. There simply weren't tests available for us. By the time there were, my doctor would not test because they were still limited and by then neither of us had the high fever anymore. There was a set of symptom requirements to be allowed to get tested.

I was sick for two months. My husband was sick for about a month and a half.

Right, there are many cases like yours...it lingers, or goes away, and you're like "I feel great now" and a month later, the misery returns and you're like WTF?! Sorry you had to go through that.

Funny, all the symptoms are anything and everything you've ever felt with any sickness you ever had prior to Covid, but...Yeah, the lack of smell and taste is a major indicator and there's no question you have Covid.

[QuietRiot]

1 hour ago, schlumpy said:

That's a lot of assumption to hang on the one word "nice." Cold? Dismissive of the dead? Joke? I am sorry it triggered you but I am glad that I could provide what must have been a cathartic experience for you.

For the record, I have experienced and am still experiencing the after effects of a serious disease that I deal with every day. 

Yes, I would have responded that the deaths from Covid matter much more than the number of cases. I don't find that a cold observation but a rational one. I'm not trying to change anyone's mind if they think surviving is the same as dying. I'm trying to determine if things are getting better or worse overall and the number cases do not reflect that but the number of deaths do.

I am very sorry for the difficulties you face. My wife and I have lived closeted lives now since March and although we live in a high risk area we have avoided being infected. 

To be honest or in your view - cold, I care about your situation as much you care about mine. I take no offense at that and neither should you. The connections that would make us care in more than just a general fashion just aren't there.

 

Apparently there was a recent German study where this was the only analyses that was done that accounted for age adjusted for deaths charts  (or was it hospitalizations), turns out, even those above 80, the deaths (or hospitalizations) were going down. So it was across ALL ages that death and/or hospitalization rates were going down.  But that's as of now.

So there's some promising news there, but with good news, I wouldn't go all gang busters by hitting crowds of people, maskless, just yet (which some in the states tend to do).

 

[Weezy1973]

The death rate is going down, likely because people with pre-existing conditions are almost definitely taking the most precautions. Cases are going up because economies are opening up. If  an area sees death rates and hospitalizations rising again consistently, they’ll tighten up restrictions again. And this back and forth will continue until there’s a vaccine or effective treatment. At least in jurisdictions that follow science. 

[CaliforniaGirl]

6 hours ago, QuietRiot said:

Right, there are many cases like yours...it lingers, or goes away, and you're like "I feel great now" and a month later, the misery returns and you're like WTF?! Sorry you had to go through that.

Funny, all the symptoms are anything and everything you've ever felt with any sickness you ever had prior to Covid, but...Yeah, the lack of smell and taste is a major indicator and there's no question you have Covid.

It is absolutely odd and random. Or, it would seem random if it hadn't become public knowledge. We didn't even connect the smell thing at first to being sick. My husband just kept going "what's this smell, what's that smell" (with nothing actually smelling weird - he was turning over couch cushions and everything) and then "am I sick again? Now I can't smell anything" happened.

As for the leg numbness, he hid that from me. He thought he was having a stroke. Then he wouldn't go to Urgent Care. And out doctor was refusing patients. I was freaking out.

The one other thing that I had (just me for this, not my husband) that I've never had with a flu, though I have only had the flu a handful of times anyway, was fainting. That lasted for a couple of days and was scary.

ETA: We're not young but not at the highest risk category either. My husband is in his late 40s and I'm 4 years older than he is. Ironically he's the one with the permanent damage. I was sick for longer but as far as I can tell I don't have nerve damage.

Edited September 19, 2020 by CaliforniaGirl

[Ruby Slippers]

Woah. I just read that all UK countries except England are banning visiting other people at home. Banning visiting your own family. It's starting to feel like I'm reading fiction. 

[NuevoYorko]

1 hour ago, Ruby Slippers said:

Woah. I just read that all UK countries except England are banning visiting other people at home. Banning visiting your own family. It's starting to feel like I'm reading fiction. 

They're serious about stemming the spread of the coronavirus.  They did the same thing earlier in the pandemic; when things improved they loosened up and now that they're going south again they're tightening restrictions.  

We don't care about that kind of thing in 'murica.  I wish we did.  We have family in the UK and when they're back to visiting each other in their homes we'll still be prohibited from entering the UK.

[Libby1]

4 hours ago, Ruby Slippers said:

Woah. I just read that all UK countries except England are banning visiting other people at home. Banning visiting your own family. It's starting to feel like I'm reading fiction. 

That's nothing new.  In the third week of April we went into lockdown and for weeks we weren't allowed visitors.  There was even a rule about going for walks in the park with anybody other than a member of your own household, and you were restricted to something like one walk a day unless you were going to the shops or some other essential errand.  That's why there was so much bad feeling when the BLM marches started up. When you've had weeks and weeks of people being told "you can't go for a walk with anybody who isn't in your household, and you can't visit family members" then suddenly the rules are changed to accommodate protests in respect of something that happened in a country thousands of miles away...that's going to piss a few people off.  They didn't have much choice but to dramatically relax the rules after that.

 

On 9/18/2020 at 8:51 PM, schlumpy said:

What about the death rate? Do you have a nice chart on the death rate?

Although the rate of infections has been climbing in the UK, we're not seeing anything like the number of deaths there were back in April.  

[schlumpy]

Libby,

I just read yesterday that there is a further six months restrictions on your side of the ocean.

How does that affect you on the ground? Will there be a continuation of the old rules or a watered down version that will give you more latitude?