Gaeta Posted March 15, 2020 Share Posted March 15, 2020 2 hours ago, littleblackheart said: France, Spain, Israel and some parts of other countries are closing down restaurants, cinemas, bars, clubs for the foreseable - it's bad, but at least these countries have a fairly sound social safety net. We also have a solid free social and health network in Canada but we pay taxes through the nose to have this strong protective net. We Canadian accept to pay up to 51% income taxes. It's a choice a society makes when they go vote. 1 Link to post Share on other sites
Ellener Posted March 15, 2020 Share Posted March 15, 2020 3 hours ago, Ruby Slippers said: And everyone with the means to invest in the stock market benefits from these shady, evil practices. I have never invested in the Stock Market personally, it's just gambling to me! Link to post Share on other sites
NuevoYorko Posted March 15, 2020 Share Posted March 15, 2020 On 3/11/2020 at 7:39 PM, SincereOnlineGuy said: Don't give up yet, people. Coronavirus still seems somewhat selective in its targets. (of course that isn't natural selectivity - rather, man-made selectivity by nature of travel) Consider these places: Russia 144 million people < 2300 miles from Wuhan "20" confirmed cases in the largest country on earth, which spans 11 timezones (picked a spot near to the middle for the distance) (*If your NCAA team played at 8pm in Russia's westernmost timezone, the game would end at 9am the next day on their east coast) Nepal 29 million people 1750 miles from Wuhan ONE case reported to date, in someone who "recovered" Bangladesh 165 million people 1540 miles from Wuhan "3" confirmed cases to date Cambodia 16 million people 1500 miles from Wuhan "3" confirmed cases of the virus to date Myanmar 53 million people 1300 miles from Wuhan ZERO confirmed cases to date Laos 6.9 million people 950 miles from Wuhan ZERO confirmed cases to date Interesting list. Putin has publicly called COVID-19 "fake news." I doubt any realistic numbers will be forthcoming from that country. I don't know where you live. Here in the USA, we have such a minimal testing capacity that the number of cases being massively greater than that of "confirmed cases" is an absolute. I'd be surprised if any of the countries you listed with low to zero confirmed cases have a superior testing capacity to what we do. Link to post Share on other sites
amaysngrace Posted March 15, 2020 Share Posted March 15, 2020 35 minutes ago, Gaeta said: Here many Internet and cable providers have unlocked access to their full services for free so people can have access to continous news and work from home without ending up with a huge bill. Comcast cable is offering free internet for 60 days to low-income households here as well. It’ll make it easier for children to learn and for parents to work from home. 3 Link to post Share on other sites
sothereiwas Posted March 15, 2020 Share Posted March 15, 2020 26 minutes ago, Ellener said: I have never invested in the Stock Market personally, it's just gambling to me! It's actually taking a part in a business venture. It includes some risk, but it's not gambling. Gambling is a zero-sum situation, the stock market is not. Link to post Share on other sites
Gaeta Posted March 15, 2020 Share Posted March 15, 2020 My Province just announced they are closing all public places, coffee shops, gyms, etc. Only grocery stores and pharmacies will remain open. Our number of infected people doubled over night. 1 Link to post Share on other sites
Beendaredonedat Posted March 15, 2020 Share Posted March 15, 2020 I've never "gambled" in the stock market either... I prefer a more steady and safe investment like a Guaranteed Investment Certificate. Link to post Share on other sites
amaysngrace Posted March 15, 2020 Share Posted March 15, 2020 11 minutes ago, NuevoYorko said: Putin has publicly called COVID-19 "fake news." I doubt any realistic numbers will be forthcoming from that country. Well if you can’t test because tests are limited then you can call it fake. Its a shame it’s not fake for the ones who are dying from it though. It’s very real for them. 1 Link to post Share on other sites
thefooloftheyear Posted March 15, 2020 Share Posted March 15, 2020 59 minutes ago, Redhead14 said: Right, that's what a lot of people probably said in Italy and Spain . . . You are talking about countries where if you combined both , would still be exponentially smaller than the US in size...It just makes sense to do that when you are managing a smaller area...Its far easier and more effective... Again...NOTHING in that article suggests anything remotely what you are saying so I really don't get the Chicken Little/sky is falling drama....If we eventually reach that point, fine, then we can deal with it, but as of now, we are no where near that ... Meanwhile its mostly business as usual here...People are out...The gym was packed with sweaty bodies this morning...The store shelves had plenty of stuff, even toilet paper...The most I have seen is merchants not handing you your money(fine by me) by putting down on the counter and some using gloves...Saw no one with a mask on either... Be vigilant and follow the protocols mentioned by the professionals....All reports suggest that the virus has gone to the other side ..China has reported its lowest number since this started, so it appears that things are heading in the right direction.. TFY Link to post Share on other sites
amaysngrace Posted March 15, 2020 Share Posted March 15, 2020 (edited) 11 minutes ago, thefooloftheyear said: China has reported its lowest number since this started, so it appears that things are heading in the right direction.. TFY Heading in the right direction in China maybe, where they’ve been fighting it for four months. Here in the USA it’s been what? Not even two months mostly without testing? Edited March 15, 2020 by amaysngrace Link to post Share on other sites
Gaeta Posted March 15, 2020 Share Posted March 15, 2020 9 minutes ago, thefooloftheyear said: All reports suggest that the virus has gone to the other side ..China has reported its lowest number since this started, so it appears that things are heading in the right direction.. TFY And it's because China has an authoritarian government and executed drastic measures that none of us Western countries could execute. 2 Link to post Share on other sites
thefooloftheyear Posted March 15, 2020 Share Posted March 15, 2020 1 minute ago, amaysngrace said: Heading in the right direction in China maybe, where they’ve been fighting it for four months. Here in the USA it’s been what? Ten days? They actually haven't been 'fighting it" for that long...From what I have read, they were slow on the draw and its the main reason it got out of hand over there... But the point being, that anyone could reasonably make sense that due to the ripple effect, that there will be the same peak and then a move to the other side of it, as is now happening in China where it all started...And if you look into the history of a few of these other outbreaks, that's precisely been the case... Get mad about how these are originating....Get mad about what and how China and other Asian countries are breaking all rules of sense when it comes to safe and humane preparation and consumption of animals.. TFY Link to post Share on other sites
Redhead14 Posted March 15, 2020 Share Posted March 15, 2020 (edited) 20 minutes ago, thefooloftheyear said: Meanwhile its mostly business as usual here...People are out...The gym was packed with sweaty bodies this morning...The store shelves had plenty of stuff, even toilet paper...The most I have seen is merchants not handing you your money(fine by me) by putting down on the counter and some using gloves...Saw no one with a mask on either... TFY It's great that you are in a area that hasn't been so significantly affected. That's nice for you. However, there are people in areas where schools are closed, people are being furloughed from work, businesses are not open after a certain time, Walmarts and the like are closing their doors early and there are shortages of lots of things. Some restaurants are offering delivery rather than having customers come to the establishment. Some people's lives are significantly affected and all this has kinda washed over us kinda gradually. We heard about the virus, we heard about what was happening over in China, we were told that it was important to get it contained. Then we were told it's in other places, then "oh, boy, it's here". Then there were articles about preparing for emergencies, and then we were told we should start doing some preparation, then we get spoon fed another article about having to do more. Next, we ARE going to do more . It's like a wave. It hasn't crested here yet. What I said was that article is "grooming us" for a larger scaled effort and to be prepared for that. Edited March 15, 2020 by Redhead14 1 Link to post Share on other sites
amaysngrace Posted March 15, 2020 Share Posted March 15, 2020 2 minutes ago, Gaeta said: And it's because China has an authoritarian government and executed drastic measures that none of us Western countries could execute. They isolated right away. Here we can’t even be tested properly. Then we’re left to take matters into our own hands because we are getting zero guidance so our preparedness is up to us. 1 Link to post Share on other sites
thefooloftheyear Posted March 15, 2020 Share Posted March 15, 2020 4 minutes ago, Gaeta said: And it's because China has an authoritarian government and executed drastic measures that none of us Western countries could execute. IF we had the amount of cases that Wuhan did in that small of an area, then for sure there would have to be drastic measures,,,,and I have zero doubt that any western country wouldnt execute on that... Apples vs Oranges comparison when you look at the sheer numbers vs size of area.. TFY Link to post Share on other sites
eleanorrigby Posted March 15, 2020 Share Posted March 15, 2020 4 hours ago, Redhead14 said: Another piece to the panic buying is that lots of people are not just stocking up for a month or so of supplies in case of quarantine or lock down, etc., they are stocking for up a longer term scenario -- i.e. people who are likely to either lose their jobs, have pay cuts or furloughed. My son was furloughed on Friday. He can collect unemployment, but that's not gonna cover it all. My daughter just applied for her unemployment yesterday. Her schedule was cut from full time to 0. She and my mom said the shelves are bare in LA at most of the stores. I live in a small town in the mountains and so far our grocery store is still stocked up, so I'm going to be doing their grocery shopping in my little store and drive it down to LA. I'm so grateful that my daughter lives with my mom. This would be a real mess if she had her own apartment. 1 Link to post Share on other sites
amaysngrace Posted March 15, 2020 Share Posted March 15, 2020 5 minutes ago, Redhead14 said: It's great that you are in a area that hasn't been so significantly affected. That's nice for you. Nice? I call it selfish. How can you know if you aren’t tested? Some people can think they have seasonal allergies with the early symptoms being what they are. And they could be spreading it all around. Link to post Share on other sites
Redhead14 Posted March 15, 2020 Share Posted March 15, 2020 The real damage that the virus will leave in it's wake is economic/financial. That's what we should also be preparing for. The aftermath isn't going to be pretty. I'm hoping for the best, and doing a little planning for the not so good. Link to post Share on other sites
Redhead14 Posted March 15, 2020 Share Posted March 15, 2020 (edited) 4 minutes ago, amaysngrace said: Nice? I call it selfish. How can you know if you aren’t tested? Some people can think they have seasonal allergies with the early symptoms being what they are. And they could be spreading it all around. It was sarcasm, Amays. The previous poster commented more or less that "it was business as usual" where they are so what's the big deal"? Edited March 15, 2020 by Redhead14 1 1 Link to post Share on other sites
amaysngrace Posted March 15, 2020 Share Posted March 15, 2020 1 minute ago, Redhead14 said: It was sarcasm, Amays. The previous poster commented that "it was business as usual" where they are so what's the big deal"? It’s that way with some people, unless it affects them directly they just don’t care. 1 Link to post Share on other sites
Author gaius Posted March 15, 2020 Author Share Posted March 15, 2020 I think we're all going to have to step up helping others in the next few months. Especially if you're one of the lucky ones who's work and income remains unaffected. It's highly unlikely the government is going to be able to fully compensate for all the financial losses people are going to suffer. Things like pitching in to make sure food banks have the supplies they need could become essential 2 Link to post Share on other sites
thefooloftheyear Posted March 15, 2020 Share Posted March 15, 2020 There has been 60 deaths in a country the size of the US.....Most were 'high risk" already(meaning practically any condition could take them out).... Not to minimize it for the loved ones that are lost, but its not reached nearly the proportions for mass panic.... We will lose up to 100,000 people this year to alcohol....And instead of outrage, every other commercial is celebrating alcohol use... You guys want to envelop yourselves in dire panic and emotional distress, fine...I am just not there at this point.... TFY Link to post Share on other sites
thefooloftheyear Posted March 15, 2020 Share Posted March 15, 2020 (edited) 7 minutes ago, amaysngrace said: It’s that way with some people, unless it affects them directly they just don’t care. How is not panicking and not over reacting translate to lack of care for others?? The real culprits of what you are talking about is the numb nuts that clear the shelves out so others cant get what they went there for.. Why?? Because they are in panic mode... TFY Edited March 15, 2020 by thefooloftheyear Link to post Share on other sites
Redhead14 Posted March 15, 2020 Share Posted March 15, 2020 (edited) 15 minutes ago, thefooloftheyear said: There has been 60 deaths in a country the size of the US.....Most were 'high risk" already(meaning practically any condition could take them out).... Not to minimize it for the loved ones that are lost, but its not reached nearly the proportions for mass panic.... We will lose up to 100,000 people this year to alcohol....And instead of outrage, every other commercial is celebrating alcohol use... You guys want to envelop yourselves in dire panic and emotional distress, fine...I am just not there at this point.... TFY I'd like to know how many people have died without having been tested but had the disease anyway . . . Edited March 15, 2020 by a LoveShack.org Moderator Removed blank quote 3 Link to post Share on other sites
amaysngrace Posted March 15, 2020 Share Posted March 15, 2020 2 minutes ago, thefooloftheyear said: There has been 60 deaths in a country the size of the US.....Most were 'high risk" already(meaning practically any condition could take them out).... Not to minimize it for the loved ones that are lost, but its not reached nearly the proportions for mass panic.... We will lose up to 100,000 people this year to alcohol....And instead of outrage, every other commercial is celebrating alcohol use... You guys want to envelop yourselves in dire panic and emotional distress, fine...I am just not there at this point.... TFY People aren’t being tested, the mortality rate is one in five so unless you’re dying/dead or have an extra $4000 to drop on a test like Tom Hanks does and be closely monitored from the onset it can be really ugly. Plus if you don’t know you have it you can be spreading it to more vulnerable types. Is it really that hard to be socially isolated and err on the side of caution knowing you might save a life or less discomfort for someone else? Its just selfish. No other word to describe it. 1 Link to post Share on other sites
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