Ellener Posted February 10, 2020 Share Posted February 10, 2020 Viruses mutate, it's a simple fact of viruses. Help set up the best health system you can where you are and you'll likely be ok, though some people do seem to be more susceptible to the pandemic flus than others, I'm not sure that's easy to deal with ( people with weakened immune systems, the elderly or infirm, homeless, people without access to proper nutrition etc ) Also some of it seems to be entirely random. Faith healer Louise Hay says 'Your health is a mirror of your relationship to yourself and your body. We don’t believe in incurable dis-eases; we believe that illness is an invitation to change your relationship with yourself for the better.' Link to post Share on other sites
Libby1 Posted February 10, 2020 Share Posted February 10, 2020 Another 66 cases confirmed on the Diamond Princess, bringing the total up to 136. Princess Cruises are giving everybody a full refund plus a free cruise. I'm struggling to imagine having any appetite for another cruise after the experience of being quarantined in a cabin for weeks on end. We've got 8 cases in the UK now, and the Government has declared it a serious & imminent risk to public health and have brought in detainment powers to prevent people from leaving quarantine. The latter development is a response to a quarantined individual threatening to leave the quarantine facility. He'd signed a contract to stay for 14 days, and though it's not entirely clear how they managed to keep him there until the emergency powers were brought in I'm guessing he was probably told he was probably threatened with financial penalties for breach of contract. I'm guessing that the "serious and imminent risk" announcement has also been made mainly to justify bringing in these emergency detainment powers. Link to post Share on other sites
elaine567 Posted February 10, 2020 Share Posted February 10, 2020 16 minutes ago, Libby1 said: Princess Cruises are giving everybody a full refund plus a free cruise. I'm struggling to imagine having any appetite for another cruise after the experience of being quarantined in a cabin for weeks on end. I think they can be fairly confident, few will take them up on their offer. I am sure some will have nightmares after the experience. Especially since one detainee, said that since the quarantine started the food is not of the same cruise ship quality Bad enough being confined to your cabin, but when the highlight of your day, the food, is ghastly stuff, it must be hell. 1 Link to post Share on other sites
Libby1 Posted February 10, 2020 Share Posted February 10, 2020 57 minutes ago, elaine567 said: I think they can be fairly confident, few will take them up on their offer. I am sure some will have nightmares after the experience. Especially since one detainee, said that since the quarantine started the food is not of the same cruise ship quality Bad enough being confined to your cabin, but when the highlight of your day, the food, is ghastly stuff, it must be hell. Absolutely. The internal cabins, with no balcony or even windows would be tiny. Designed really just to sleep in, with the expectation that you'll spend the day on the other parts of the cruise ship. To be stuck in there with the thought of infected air being ventilated around the ship (regardless of whatever they might be saying about the ventilation system) would be absolutely horrific. Those poor people. 1 Link to post Share on other sites
2BGoodAgain Posted February 10, 2020 Share Posted February 10, 2020 On 2/8/2020 at 1:55 AM, major_merrick said: Except that the numbers they are publishing are all a lie....typical for a dictatorship. From my personal sources, it is much more widespread, although it seems to be pretty well confined to Asia right now. the reason we're in this mess right now is b/c the country is question is notorious with censorship... it wouldn't have been this bad, if they hadn't censored their own medical people who saw this coming weeks before we all did. so don't trust those numbers given out by the SAME country that's trying to convince everyone they've got it under control... for all their control wishes, they are terrible at it, b/c the country is run by people and people are flawed and greedy and etc... Link to post Share on other sites
Author gaius Posted February 10, 2020 Author Share Posted February 10, 2020 I guess they tracked the source on the Diamond Princess back to a single passenger who I don't think is even on the boat anymore. One person decided to take a cruise and now almost 200 are infected and near 3000 in quarantine. In the US the ACLU is threatening to sue over the quarantine policy and I've seen a lot of disapproving news articles, often featuring lengthy breakdowns of the racist history behind many quarantines. It seems like there are many who would rather see more diamond princesses than quarantine one minority person. Fortunately they are so far being ignored. Link to post Share on other sites
major_merrick Posted February 10, 2020 Share Posted February 10, 2020 The ACLU can frequently find a way to mess things up. Granted, I personally wouldn't want to be quarantined. But the general principle is quite old and it does work. 1 Link to post Share on other sites
CAPSLOCK BANDIT Posted February 11, 2020 Share Posted February 11, 2020 So apparently, before the Wuhan quarantine zone was created, approximately 5 million people left Wuhan. Insane. https://www.ctvnews.ca/health/where-did-they-go-millions-left-wuhan-before-quarantine-1.4803739 1 Link to post Share on other sites
carhill Posted February 13, 2020 Share Posted February 13, 2020 On a lighter note, an Australian couple stuck in their cabin on the Diamond Princess in Yokohama apparently had wine delivered via drone: https://metro.co.uk/2020/02/12/couple-on-coronavirus-ship-get-wine-delivered-by-drone-to-their-cabin-12226160/?ito=cbshare Splurging on a balcony cabin pays off? 1 Link to post Share on other sites
CAPSLOCK CROOK Posted February 14, 2020 Share Posted February 14, 2020 Pretty insane video if this is all true, apparently there are no doctors, medicine and the hospital isnt a hospital, but is actually just a quarantine zone. Link to post Share on other sites
trackdayguy Posted February 14, 2020 Share Posted February 14, 2020 (edited) How sad that we now hear of 2 local Wuhan residences gone missing, since speaking out and posting on social media about the virus outbreak. As if the rest of the world needed any additional warnings about China and its corrupt, toxic and secretive system. One has to feel for the billion Chinese people who spend much of their lives in fear of the self imposed leaders who are supposed to be serving them, instead creating a nation of silent puppets that get shut down when they protest. As we all know there are plenty of things wrong with the majority of western countries, but lets not forget the freedom we have to speak out and protest. My heart goes out to the Chinese people, lets hope that their eyes will be opened to the magnitude of the corruption they are living under, let's prayer that more and more rise up and demand answers. And we're still doing business with this country ? Edited February 14, 2020 by trackdayguy 1 Link to post Share on other sites
Piddy Posted February 19, 2020 Share Posted February 19, 2020 (edited) My wife had to go out and buy non contact forehead thermometers for her companies facility in China. Ironically they're made in China and they can't find any over there. Any slight fever, sneeze or cough and they're not allowed to come to work. Edited February 19, 2020 by Piddy 1 Link to post Share on other sites
Author gaius Posted February 20, 2020 Author Share Posted February 20, 2020 The times was saying about 150 million Chinese are mostly restricted to their homes and another 780 million are under some form of travel restriction. 1 in 10 people on the planet total. And almost 3 times the entire population of the US. That might be some kind of record. Link to post Share on other sites
pepperbird Posted February 20, 2020 Share Posted February 20, 2020 (edited) My brother lives in Singapore and was travelling for work. He's been told he has to wait until April to go back. I'm not sure of it's because of the virus, but he felt it was. Edited February 20, 2020 by pepperbird 1 Link to post Share on other sites
Author gaius Posted February 20, 2020 Author Share Posted February 20, 2020 I guess it's starting to break out a little in South Korea, with total cases there expanding from 51 to 104 in 24 hours. One of the diagnosed patients reportedly had over 1,000 contacts while infected. https://www.npr.org/sections/goatsandsoda/2020/02/20/807745305/coronavirus-2-princess-diamond-cruise-ship-passengers-die-after-contracting-covi Also, despite 75,000 diagnosed cases only 17,000 have officially recovered and 2,000 have died. Which would put the death rate about on par with SARS at over 10%. Link to post Share on other sites
Redhead14 Posted February 21, 2020 Share Posted February 21, 2020 14 hours ago, gaius said: I guess it's starting to break out a little in South Korea, with total cases there expanding from 51 to 104 in 24 hours. One of the diagnosed patients reportedly had over 1,000 contacts while infected. https://www.npr.org/sections/goatsandsoda/2020/02/20/807745305/coronavirus-2-princess-diamond-cruise-ship-passengers-die-after-contracting-covi Also, despite 75,000 diagnosed cases only 17,000 have officially recovered and 2,000 have died. Which would put the death rate about on par with SARS at over 10%. 10% doesn't seem like a large number . . . unless you're one of the ones who were in the 10% bracket or friends and relatives of those people. 1 Link to post Share on other sites
basil67 Posted February 22, 2020 Share Posted February 22, 2020 It could help the world's over population problems. 1 Link to post Share on other sites
Author gaius Posted February 22, 2020 Author Share Posted February 22, 2020 It mostly kills older people. Who aren't giving birth nor have many years of consumption ahead. So it wouldn't do much for overpopulation issues even in worse case scenarios. If it does start getting out there will be a lot of economic and social disruption, hospital stays, the stress of knowing there's a virus outside your house that might kill one in 10 people, and probably a lot of family tragedy. Even if we're not in the high risk age group ourselves I think most of us have someone we care about that is. This hurricane still has time to blow out to sea so here's hoping it does! Link to post Share on other sites
Author gaius Posted February 23, 2020 Author Share Posted February 23, 2020 So 50,000 people in northern Italy are now basically confined to their homes. Because someone who had recently been to China decided a night out at a bar filled with people would be an appropriate thing to do after being in the hotbed of the disease. One thing North Korea has right, executions of people who break quarantine. Also, it seems to have broken out in Iran and continues to infect in South Korea. Though cases in China seem to be slowing fortunately. Link to post Share on other sites
carhill Posted February 23, 2020 Share Posted February 23, 2020 Quote A new study by Chinese researchers indicates the novel coronavirus may have begun human-to-human transmission in late November from a place other than the Huanan seafood market in Wuhan. The study published on ChinaXiv, a Chinese open repository for scientific researchers, reveals the new coronavirus was introduced to the seafood market from another location, and then spread rapidly from market to market. The findings were the result of analyses of genome-wide data, sources of infection and the route of spread of 93 samples of the novel coronavirus collected from 12 countries across four continents. The study believes that patient zero transmitted the virus to workers or sellers at the Huanan seafood market. The crowded market facilitated the further transmission of the virus to buyers, which caused a wider spread in early December 2019. https://www.globaltimes.cn/content/1180429.shtml 1 Link to post Share on other sites
pepperbird Posted February 24, 2020 Share Posted February 24, 2020 lots of people unhappy about this.https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/british-columbia/passenger-aboard-air-canada-flight-to-vancouver-from-montreal-tests-positive-for-covid-19-1.5473283 Link to post Share on other sites
major_merrick Posted February 24, 2020 Share Posted February 24, 2020 11 hours ago, gaius said: One thing North Korea has right, executions of people who break quarantine. I'm glad we don't do that here. But China DOES. They don't tell you on the news, but the military has been shooting people who attempt to leave the quarantine zone. IDK how long they'll go on doing that, but delivering 40 large incinerators to the area tells me there's a lot of disposal going on. What I find puzzling is how it has spread to many countries, but we're not seeing massive transmission yet. It isn't moving the way the flu does. And some folks who get it once can get it again - so catching it and surviving doesn't necessarily give you immunity. The whole thing is strange. I'm still staying home. I don't like how long this is taking. Link to post Share on other sites
Author gaius Posted February 24, 2020 Author Share Posted February 24, 2020 7 minutes ago, major_merrick said: I'm glad we don't do that here. But China DOES. They don't tell you on the news, but the military has been shooting people who attempt to leave the quarantine zone. If that's true then much props to China. One person's act of stupidity can ruin the day of 100,000 in situations like this so they shouldn't be messing around. Behave yourself or die. With the incubation period being what it is the movement is very slow so weeks can go by between waves. We might be dealing with this for the next 6 months or longer. It seems like the outbreaks in Italy and South Korea caught them by surprise. By the time they realized the virus was even there hundreds were already infected. Which is not an unlikely scenario in the US if we get our one social butterfly super spreader who just can't stand to be stuck at home. At least everyone has been given ample notice at this point. 1 Link to post Share on other sites
Libby1 Posted February 24, 2020 Share Posted February 24, 2020 12 hours ago, major_merrick said: I'm glad we don't do that here. But China DOES. They don't tell you on the news, but the military has been shooting people who attempt to leave the quarantine zone. IDK how long they'll go on doing that, but delivering 40 large incinerators to the area tells me there's a lot of disposal going on. I think the Chinese government will do whatever it takes to minimise the spread of this to other parts of the country. The quarantining of so many factory workers is going to cause a massive long term hit to the economy. And while so far it seems well contained in the West (though Italy has taken a disproportionate hit), we'll feel the knock on economic hits. Not to mention the potential shortages. We all import so much from that area...and while cheap shoes and clothes might not seem to be such a big deal, a potential shortage of the drugs and medicines normally imported from there is more so. Link to post Share on other sites
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