Novel Coronavirus COVID-19

[Redhead14]

12 minutes ago, pepperbird said:

If that cases go up, but the number of deaths does not, then that means the virus is a lot less deadly than what we've been told. If 200 people are sick and five die, that's a lot different than 100 being sick and five die.

I doubt that the 5 who die would have this perspective . . .

[gaius]

The death rate in Korea has largely matched the Chinese numbers. Which have actually skewed up to over 3%. 

It's likely the number will end up higher than that as well due to how they're counting it. Right now the minute a person gets diagnosed they count them against the death rate even if the virus hasn't had much time to develop.

Last I checked the recovery vs death rate numbers, death was over 10%. But that number likely isn't accurate either. It will probably end up somewhere in the middle of the two.

[pepperbird]

1 hour ago, Redhead14 said:

I doubt that the 5 who die would have this perspective . . .

that's not the point. the point is that fear is being whipped up in a massive way. why?

[pepperbird]

40 minutes ago, gaius said:

The death rate in Korea has largely matched the Chinese numbers. Which have actually skewed up to over 3%. 

It's likely the number will end up higher than that as well due to how they're counting it. Right now the minute a person gets diagnosed they count them against the death rate even if the virus hasn't had much time to develop.

Last I checked the recovery vs death rate numbers, death was over 10%. But that number likely isn't accurate either. It will probably end up somewhere in the middle of the two.

who is dying? young? old? already sick? people who live in poverty?

[sothereiwas]

Just now, pepperbird said:

that's not the point. the point is that fear is being whipped up in a massive way. why?

I think there are likely multiple reasons, legitimate concern the public won't take it seriously enough, news media searching for clicks, various authorities trying to make various quarantine rules more palatable to the public, and so on. I also believe running the US economy down was inevitable but there are likely those for whom maximizing this would be expedient. 

[Redhead14]

3 minutes ago, pepperbird said:

that's not the point. the point is that fear is being whipped up in a massive way. why?

We don't/can't know whether it is being over played or under played unfortunately.  Sadly, I'm tending to believe that it's under played . . . especially given China's previous history of being less than forthcoming. 

[pepperbird]

2 minutes ago, sothereiwas said:

I think there are likely multiple reasons, legitimate concern the public won't take it seriously enough, news media searching for clicks, various authorities trying to make various quarantine rules more palatable to the public, and so on. I also believe running the US economy down was inevitable but there are likely those for whom maximizing this would be expedient. 

Could be it's time for the CDC to do some retraining with their "Zombie Protocol"
https://www.cdc.gov/cpr/zombie/index.htm

In all seriousness, the click bait part is becoming more and more prevalent. If one actually reads the articles, you often find don't make a lot of sense. If it;ls an airborne virus, simple measures like hand washing, avoiding crowds, wearing a proper mask ( if you have access to one) and staying home if you're sick. can really help.

there is a difference between being prepared, informed and ready- its quite another to panic, and that fear is being pumped up. who is benefitting?
 

[pepperbird]

5 minutes ago, Redhead14 said:

We don't/can't know whether it is being over played or under played unfortunately.  Sadly, I'm tending to believe that it's under played . . . especially given China's previous history of being less than forthcoming. 

then stop using China as your source e for information.
This disease is in many counties now., So far, the panic ( as opposed to informed preparedness) is unwarranted. I was down in Toronto a few weeks ago. A couple had come back from China- everybody panics. Husband and wife are now both doing just fine. We've had other. here, people are being quarnatined in at least one hotel in Europe, cruise ships quarantined and how many deaths? A handful.

Like I said, there is a difference between a measured response and panic. Someone is befitting from all this fear. Who?

[sothereiwas]

6 minutes ago, pepperbird said:

Like I said, there is a difference between a measured response and panic. Someone is befitting from all this fear. Who?

Anyone who wants the US economy to tank would find this virus outbreak useful, maybe some manufacturers of medical supplies, other than that I'm just not very good at sussing stuff like this out. It's a very good question though. 

[carhill]

POTUS live at 6pm EST tonight on Coronavirus...

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/coronavirus-trump-centers-for-disease-control-news-conference-tonight-6-pm-watch-live-stream-today-2020-02-26/

On the globalist financial op-

 

Scary version they can weather a hit and China could sacrifice even a few million to take out the Trump bacteria that's been infecting their NWO plans.

[Timshel]

I have yet to witness any person being in a panic.  'Everyone panics' sounds a bit ott.  I will say that in situations such as this, it is more likely for health officials to be cool than otherwise, which is probably for the best.  Public panic is the worse of two evils. 

As far as media mania....they are going to make money off of clicks nowadays and it is glaringly apparent that reporting substantiated news is a forgone profession.  The public is best suited to be prepared for the possibilities.

The potential for a shortage of supplies is something people should realistically prepare for at this point in the U.S.  and a plan for a few weeks of not moving about very much.  People are legitimately sick and we know very little of this virus except that it is spreading rapidly.

 

[carhill]

Nearly a month ago, POTUS signed a proclamation setting up a Coronavirus task force..

https://publicpool.kinja.com/subject-statement-from-the-press-secretary-regarding-t-1841341883

Another obscure document I haven't seen in the press....National Biodefense Strategy....

https://www.whitehouse.gov/wp-content/uploads/2018/09/National-Biodefense-Strategy.pdf

[Redhead14]

2 hours ago, Timshel said:

I have yet to witness any person being in a panic.  'Everyone panics' sounds a bit ott.  I will say that in situations such as this, it is more likely for health officials to be cool than otherwise, which is probably for the best.  Public panic is the worse of two evils. 

As far as media mania....they are going to make money off of clicks nowadays and it is glaringly apparent that reporting substantiated news is a forgone profession.  The public is best suited to be prepared for the possibilities.

The potential for a shortage of supplies is something people should realistically prepare for at this point in the U.S.  and a plan for a few weeks of not moving about very much.  People are legitimately sick and we know very little of this virus except that it is spreading rapidly.

 

Yep, I'm not too sure there's widespread panic.  Maybe a few who are worry warts anyway.  And, I agree some of it's media sensationalism -- kinda like the weather men.  There's a little sleet and snow coming and it's a major news blitz and everyone has to run to the store for milk and bread as if they will be snowbound for a month

I also agree that we should do a little preparation so we don't need to panic.  Hope for the best, prepare for not so good. 

[Timshel]

52 minutes ago, Redhead14 said:

Yep, I'm not too sure there's widespread panic.  Maybe a few who are worry warts anyway.  And, I agree some of it's media sensationalism -- kinda like the weather men.  There's a little sleet and snow coming and it's a major news blitz and everyone has to run to the store for milk and bread as if they will be snowbound for a month

I also agree that we should do a little preparation so we don't need to panic.  Hope for the best, prepare for not so good. 

This may be the worst, panic and empty store shelves.  Supply may not keep up with demand and more importantly, need.  Hope for the best and prepare (not bury a head in sand) for the worst, the worst may not be the virus itself, just humans, as usual.

 

[Redhead14]

Some  people don't know the difference between preparing by picking up what they need to hold them for little while and hoarding it all so there's not much left for others . . . the selfish side of humans come thru in times like these.  Just buy a couple of extras of some items each time you go to the store over the next couple of weeks.  Don't clean off entire shelves.

Edited February 26, 2020 by Redhead14

[sothereiwas]

11 minutes ago, Redhead14 said:

Some  people don't know the difference between preparing by picking up what they need to hold them for little while and hoarding it all so there's not much left for others . . . the selfish side of humans come thru in times like these.  Just buy a couple of extras of some items each time you go to the store over the next couple of weeks.  Don't clean off entire shelves.

By definition prepping happens BEFORE the situation. At this point it's not prepping no matter how much one buys, but excessive amounts might be considered hoarding. 

[Redhead14]

12 minutes ago, sothereiwas said:

By definition prepping happens BEFORE the situation. At this point it's not prepping no matter how much one buys, but excessive amounts might be considered hoarding. 

If I started buying a few things now as I go along now, and I am, it is before my area has been affected.  If there were cases near me now, yeah, it wouldn't be prepping per se.

[pepperbird]

how long was this virus in circulation before people knew what it was?

[sothereiwas]

Face masks are broadly applicable to many air-borne bugs, and sure, I have a pack from a few years back. Apparently due to factors simple restriction of contact and handwashing is said to be more important. Getting them because you think you should have some around is prepping. Getting some days before the leading wave of a pandemic passes over is ... not prepping. 

[gaius]

If you live in Florida you're used to stuff like this. You hear about the hurricane forming, head to the store and pick up a few things. Usually it's not the worst case scenario, it blows out to sea or hits somewhere else. But if you don't do anything and take a direct hit it can be rather disruptive and uncomfortable.

Right now we're all in it together seeing what's going to happen with this hurricane. Republican, Democrat, Canadian, European, and all those other places that aren't important enough to name. 

(Just kidding, everyone is important)

[gaius]

9 hours ago, pepperbird said:

who is dying? young? old? already sick? people who live in poverty?

Mostly people over 50 and those with pre-existing conditions. Very few children seem to be affected fortunately. Economics don't seem to be that big a factor.

I watched Trump's news conference and he's putting together a task force under Pence. The CDC and NIH people seemed competent and on top of it. I would have involved someone from the military as well to start planning a military response if need be, but other than that Trump seemed accurately informed about the situation.

[carhill]

2 hours ago, pepperbird said:

how long was this virus in circulation before people knew what it was?

Here's some science for those who can make sense of it.

https://www.thelancet.com/journals/lancet/article/PIIS0140-6736(20)30183-5/fulltext

No doubt research and forensics will go on for some time.

[Piddy]

13 hours ago, gaius said:

Mostly people over 50 and those with pre-existing conditions. Very few children seem to be affected fortunately. Economics don't seem to be that big a factor.

I watched Trump's news conference and he's putting together a task force under Pence. The CDC and NIH people seemed competent and on top of it. I would have involved someone from the military as well to start planning a military response if need be, but other than that Trump seemed accurately informed about the situation.

I didn't get that from him.  He said somewhat the opposite as his medical experts.  

[sothereiwas]

2 minutes ago, Piddy said:

I didn't get that from him.  He said somewhat the opposite as his medical experts.  

As typical of Trump, watch what he does, his twitter feed is just entertainment. Ideal? Not at all, but I'm OK w/ it. I don't even use Twitface. 

[gaius]

A reporter asked Trump if he was contradicting his earlier statements of it not being a big deal and he said it might turn into something big, it might be something smaller, we don't know but we're preparing for everything. Which is an opinion grounded in reality.

A month ago when I started this thread very few seemed concerned, oh it's just another flu, etc etc. Which was an under reaction. But now a lot of people have skewed straight from under reaction to over reaction.

Yes, we need plans in place for an outbreak in the US. How we get the supplies and the right personnel to areas that need it. Who we're going to send. We need precautions like quarantines and travel bans. Individuals should plan for potential short term supply disruption in their areas just in case. But even if the worst happens it's not the end of the world. Which is the message I got the sense Trump was sending. People are starting to get scared and he's trying to calm them down.