smackie9 Posted March 16, 2020 Share Posted March 16, 2020 Use kleenex, plenty of that still around. In the olden days they used the Sears Robuck catalog. Link to post Share on other sites
elaine567 Posted March 16, 2020 Share Posted March 16, 2020 17 minutes ago, smackie9 said: Use kleenex, plenty of that still around No there isn't. I guess everyone has had that idea. No tissues, no kitchen roll, no paper towels, even paper napkins are in demand... Link to post Share on other sites
Azincourt Posted March 16, 2020 Share Posted March 16, 2020 (edited) 22 minutes ago, elaine567 said: No there isn't. I guess everyone has had that idea. No tissues, no kitchen roll, no paper towels, even paper napkins are in demand... yeah, during an emergency people panic and they hoard everything they can get their hands on. I have over 50 packs of 12-rolls toilet paper packs that I bought over the years. Same goes for hand sanitizer, soap, food(tuna, rice, sphagetti, chickenpeas and a bit of everything that can last for a very long time)water and medical supplies and so on and on. I always knew something was going to happen because you can't have 1.3 billion people living in a Country and nothing bad happening. And when something bad happens, people only care about themselves. There are people selling for exorbitant prices these products but I ain't going to do that. My advice for people is to be mindful that our society isn't perfect. After this virus is dealt with(the chancellor of Germany believes 70% to 80% of the European population is going to be infected so it might take some time) start storing essential resources in your house to be prepared for the next virus to come out of China/India/Africa/the Middle-East. Edited March 16, 2020 by Azincourt Link to post Share on other sites
SumGuy Posted March 16, 2020 Share Posted March 16, 2020 On 3/15/2020 at 9:21 AM, Cookiesandough said: We don’t have the numbers on the infection rate + the fatality rate combined to say. We do, and the numbers from when no precautions were taken to the effect of various precautions. From China, South Korea and Italy alone. We also have timelines of all this stuff. 1 Link to post Share on other sites
Azincourt Posted March 16, 2020 Share Posted March 16, 2020 On 3/15/2020 at 1:39 AM, Gr8fuln2020 said: This is partly due to the fact that our medical industry is also have problems with this. Shortage of masks, gloves, no tests in many cases...when the population doesn't have confidence in the leadership and experts who should be leading the effort to quell misinformation, provide reasonable and objective guidelines, you get people buying 50+ rolls of toilet paper at a time, every container of hand sanitizer, etc. Things will level off one way or another. More localities are making their own decisions and not waiting. Our state only has a handful of confirmed cases, but good guidance and advice has led our governor to close public schools for two weeks NOW. So, yesterday I caught myself almost falling from my computer chair. I was reading a notice that a friend sent my way, sent to Norwegian students who are studying in the states regarding the corona virus. In this official document, Universities were appealing to their students to return to Norway stating that Countries with poor medical services, both in the quality of the service as also the quality of the medical staff(and they mentioned the Unite States in the same sentence) aren't going to be able to help them out in the case of infection, and urged the students to return to Norway. All schools and universities are closed in Europe. Restaurants, shops, coffee shops - anything that isn't related to food-distribution and pharmacy supplies is getting closed down. Austria has made it illegal for social groups of more than 5 people to happen, although many people are just ignoring it. Other Countries have made it illegal and prison-worthy for people who are knowingly infected with the virus to get out of the houses. Almost every Chinese restaurant/store is closed for at least 3 months because everyone is afraid of the Chinese. Yeah bros and Ladies, we're up for a good time, and that's why my grandpa taught me to hoard resources years and years before anything like that happens. Because now I'm just chilling staying home for months until this ends, reading books, watching video games and watching movies, whereas everyone else is out there in a panic trying to find toilet paper. I'm a single man with 50 packs of 12 rolls of toilet paper. I ain't selling and I ain't buying. I'm chilling and waiting for this to be over. Link to post Share on other sites
sothereiwas Posted March 16, 2020 Share Posted March 16, 2020 28 minutes ago, Azincourt said: Yeah bros and Ladies, we're up for a good time, and that's why my grandpa taught me to hoard resources years and years before anything like that happens. Because now I'm just chilling staying home for months until this ends, reading books, watching video games and watching movies, whereas everyone else is out there in a panic trying to find toilet paper. I have it on good authority that you and I are full of crap and that being prepared is a fiction. Who knew? Of course the authority was a random internet poster so it has to be correct ... Link to post Share on other sites
Miss Spider Posted March 16, 2020 Share Posted March 16, 2020 Lots of places where soap is still stocked but toilet paper gone. Interesting that during the apocalypse so many ppl are concerned the most about wiping their axx 1 Link to post Share on other sites
Andy_K Posted March 16, 2020 Share Posted March 16, 2020 I just don't get it either. If I were going to stockpile something, I'd buy food. What goes in is more important than what comes out! 1 1 Link to post Share on other sites
Author Fletch Lives Posted March 16, 2020 Author Share Posted March 16, 2020 (edited) We live in a civilization and have responsibilities to our fellow citizens and neighbors. No, you can't just do whatever you want. We need other people You can't just say I'm young and this won't affect me. It can affect your grandma, grandpa, mom or dad, or your friend's elders. You can, but I wouldn't. It's important that you make some temporary lifestyle changes. It's only temporary. We don't want our medical systems and hospitals getting overrun. Ask not what your country can do for you - ask what you can do for your country, and the world Edited March 16, 2020 by Fletch Lives 2 Link to post Share on other sites
smackie9 Posted March 16, 2020 Share Posted March 16, 2020 (edited) 3 hours ago, elaine567 said: No there isn't. I guess everyone has had that idea. No tissues, no kitchen roll, no paper towels, even paper napkins are in demand... Then there is one thing left ....Diapers! Depends! Coffee filters! So frickin stupid....there is no actual shortage...people are creating it. Edited March 16, 2020 by smackie9 3 Link to post Share on other sites
Hopeful30 Posted March 16, 2020 Share Posted March 16, 2020 More people die from the regular flu than this virus (which has been around since 2012 by the way). It's a social experiment and I'm loving it! No traffic, no lines, no crowds. I get to explore my city in a beautiful new way! I'm enjoying this propaganda if I had to be entirely honest 1 1 Link to post Share on other sites
Miss Spider Posted March 16, 2020 Share Posted March 16, 2020 (edited) It’s interesting for sure. Remember the 2009-2010 h1n1 pandemic. Don’t remember people isolating themselves or much talk about it at all. Over 12,000 people in USA alone died from it. Where was our ‘civic duty’ then? Amazing what certain attention focused on something can do Edited March 16, 2020 by Cookiesandough 1 Link to post Share on other sites
Azincourt Posted March 16, 2020 Share Posted March 16, 2020 (edited) yeah, but this virus targets mostly older people, and the western Countries are pretty aged out, resulting in many millions of the elderly being at a severe risk of dying from this, and being young doesn't really mean you are not going to perish from it/suffer severe consequences. In China they had a 36 year old man die from it, and there's a 15 year old girl in one of the European Countries that caused her school to close down because of it. Healthy people MIGHT not die from it, but they can act as spreaders, and many people will die if a vaccine isn't created any time soon. Germany's chancellor believes 70 to 80% of Germany's population will get infected. Quote 60% to 70% of the German population will be infected by the coronavirus, Merkel says Quote German Chancellor Angela Merkel has said that up to 70% of the German population will likely contract the coronavirus, suggesting that the government’s priority is about “slowing its spread.” Quote “When the virus is out there, the population has no immunity and no therapy exists, then 60 to 70% of the population will be infected,” Merkel told a news conference in Berlin on Wednesday, according to Reuters. The country has over 82 million citizens. Quote Confirmed cases in Italy have surpassed 10,000 with deaths spiking to 631, and Merkel told reporters that her government would play its part in combating the fallout from the epidemic, insisting a proposed European Union package of fiscal measures would not fail because of Germany. Those millions can spread it to other Countries. The borders between the European Countries are being closed but it's not 100% fireproof it will solve everything, as fast as humanly possible. Edited March 16, 2020 by Azincourt Link to post Share on other sites
Miss Spider Posted March 16, 2020 Share Posted March 16, 2020 Yes the death rate was lower, but it spread very quickly and 12,000-17,000 just in my country were estimated to have died from it. Social distancing could have prevented. Did those people’s lives just not matter as much. I’m sure their family and friends would beg to differ. 1 Link to post Share on other sites
elaine567 Posted March 16, 2020 Share Posted March 16, 2020 The health services were busy but they coped. Deaths are OK, some are always going to die of flu and like infections, but deaths caused by the inadequacy of health services would not be so easy to swallow. The peaks have the capability to render our health services almost useless. That does not only mean that infected patients will die it will also mean that anyone who needs medical attention may be at risk of dying too due to lack of medical care. The young, the middle aged, the old, the essentially healthy may die from conditions that in normal circumstance they would have easily survived. 1 Link to post Share on other sites
paloma22 Posted March 17, 2020 Share Posted March 17, 2020 i'm amending some of what i said before about Covid vs flu complications. new studies are showing post Covid lungs with chronic inflammatory changes as well as 20-30% decreased lung function. Maintain social isolation - its the best thing you can do for yourself and those at risk. 1 1 1 Link to post Share on other sites
Saracena Posted March 17, 2020 Share Posted March 17, 2020 5 hours ago, paloma22 said: i'm amending some of what i said before about Covid vs flu complications. new studies are showing post Covid lungs with chronic inflammatory changes as well as 20-30% decreased lung function. Maintain social isolation - its the best thing you can do for yourself and those at risk. And for those with pre-existing respiratory conditions where lung function is already compromised, an infection like this could (and unfortunately has) prove fatal. Link to post Share on other sites
Azincourt Posted March 17, 2020 Share Posted March 17, 2020 16 hours ago, smackie9 said: Then there is one thing left ....Diapers! Depends! Coffee filters! So frickin stupid....there is no actual shortage...people are creating it. That's how shortages usually work. Someone panics, starts buying toilet paper(women go through toilet paper like there's no tomorrow, and when a guy has a wife and 5 daughters those rolls vanish faster than cocaine between the Rolling Stones) and then the panic expands to stuff like bread, milk etc etc. Which is odd. People should be buying vegetables and fruit and food that can survive inside a tin can for years, not stuff that only lasts a few days. Things are going to become much worse. America's healthcare is terrible, and I feel bad for the people who are stuck there not knowing what to do in this situation. Link to post Share on other sites
Ellener Posted March 17, 2020 Share Posted March 17, 2020 On 3/15/2020 at 7:49 AM, elaine567 said: Biggest toilet roll manufacturer in UK was on TV, he said they have oodles in stock and are producing millions of them so there is no need to hoard, they are never going to run out. One of our local non-chain pizza places always puts inspirational messages on his ad board outside, they are now closed to dine-in but will deliver or offer takeout, their ad says 'We have salads, calzones, pasta, pizza. No toilet paper.' 😀 Link to post Share on other sites
Ellener Posted March 17, 2020 Share Posted March 17, 2020 20 hours ago, SumGuy said: We do, and the numbers from when no precautions were taken to the effect of various precautions. From China, South Korea and Italy alone. We also have timelines of all this stuff. https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/ is updated as the info is released. 1 Link to post Share on other sites
smackie9 Posted March 17, 2020 Share Posted March 17, 2020 2 hours ago, Azincourt said: That's how shortages usually work. Someone panics, starts buying toilet paper(women go through toilet paper like there's no tomorrow, and when a guy has a wife and 5 daughters those rolls vanish faster than cocaine between the Rolling Stones) and then the panic expands to stuff like bread, milk etc etc. Which is odd. People should be buying vegetables and fruit and food that can survive inside a tin can for years, not stuff that only lasts a few days. Things are going to become much worse. America's healthcare is terrible, and I feel bad for the people who are stuck there not knowing what to do in this situation. No how this one started was because China had to shut down their factories so it started a shortage there. People took it the wrong way and thought the same thing was happening here. Link to post Share on other sites
spiderowl Posted March 17, 2020 Share Posted March 17, 2020 Given that more people are likely to become critically ill than we can cope with, maybe the ‘panic’ is actually rational. In the U.K. - a developed country - we do not have enough ventilators for the people that will need them. This is a very sobering thought. 2 Link to post Share on other sites
spiderowl Posted March 17, 2020 Share Posted March 17, 2020 (edited) On 3/16/2020 at 1:17 PM, Hopeful30 said: More people die from the regular flu than this virus (which has been around since 2012 by the way). It's a social experiment and I'm loving it! No traffic, no lines, no crowds. I get to explore my city in a beautiful new way! I'm enjoying this propaganda if I had to be entirely honest [] The virus could have been around that long in wildlife but it hasn’t been around that long in humans. I think you are thinking of the Corona virus types, some of which cause colds. There are different types of corona viruses. This one is new, hence we are not immune to it. It also causes a severe respiratory infection which can result in death. Edited March 18, 2020 by a LoveShack.org Moderator Topical content 2 Link to post Share on other sites
Hopeful30 Posted March 18, 2020 Share Posted March 18, 2020 (edited) 17 hours ago, spiderowl said: [] The virus could have been around that long in wildlife but it hasn’t been around that long in humans. I think you are thinking of the Corona virus types, some of which cause colds. There are different types of corona viruses. This one is new, hence we are not immune to it. It also causes a severe respiratory infection which can result in death. Let's do the math. According to current sources, 8270 deaths worldwide have occurred due to coronavirus. This is 0.000001 % of the world population (which currently stands at 7.53 billion). The common flu kills more people per year at 650,000 annually, which increases this percentage to 0.00009%. Food poisoning affects 48 million people annually (0.006%) while coronavirus has only infected an estimated 205 K worldwide (0.00003%). My question is, what is the media trying to hide by causing this worldwide panic? And why are people so uneducated? Why does the government want people to isolate? Edited March 18, 2020 by a LoveShack.org Moderator Edit quote Link to post Share on other sites
smackie9 Posted March 18, 2020 Share Posted March 18, 2020 Well my company made us do a questionnaire and 8 people on staff so far have to self quarantine. It's going to be lonely here at work..... Link to post Share on other sites
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