Apex Posted October 28, 2005 Share Posted October 28, 2005 Ha this books a joke. One well known scientist said this.... "If there is any religion that would cope with modern scientific needs it would be Buddhism." One implication of this being that all the other religions can not deal with a rigorous scientific examination. Anyway, the quote was from a scientist called Albert Einstein.If scientists figured out everything, then we wouldn't need them anymore. Link to post Share on other sites
quankanne Posted October 28, 2005 Share Posted October 28, 2005 If scientists figured out everything, then we wouldn't need them anymore. :D reminds me of the joke about the scientist who told God that he was no longer needed, that there were scientific answers to everything and man could create or do anything because of this. Oh? God replies. Yes, sir, you've become obsolete, the guy says. But, we figured we'd give a test to answer once and for all that we can do with out you – we're going to create a human from scratch, just like it said you did in the Bible. God nods, and agrees to the challenge, which is set for later that day. As they prepare to create this human, the scientist reaches down and scoops up a handful of dirt from the ground, intending to use this as his building block. God looks at the scientist and tells him, "Hey – go make your own dirt!" :p Link to post Share on other sites
Joe Tex Posted October 28, 2005 Share Posted October 28, 2005 I don't believe in God but I do believe one thing..... that a belief in God is a reflection, not of the very human fear of mortality, but of the basic goodness in the hearts of men. In other words, even if he doesn't exist, the fact that we "invented" him means there is hope for the human race. Link to post Share on other sites
quankanne Posted October 28, 2005 Share Posted October 28, 2005 the fact that we "invented" him means there is hope for the human race what a beautiful thought to behold! Link to post Share on other sites
Author Toni_no12002 Posted October 28, 2005 Author Share Posted October 28, 2005 Hi im angry at the minute.My nanna died last night.I still dont understand how thats fair! Apex i respect what your saying but at this time when i need god most where is he? Fair enough at the minute i have my doubts about him but i have prayed to him before thanking him for everything and when i turn to him for help he isnt there.Why am i not in a postion to judge god? My nanna has been taken away from me i was really close to her.She was scared and in pain.There was nothing we could do.So where was he? Maybe ill only know these answers when im dead but at the minute i just feel so mad! Im sorry to everyone if im being nasty i just feel so upset and angry at the minute.Sorry Link to post Share on other sites
ThumbingMyWay Posted October 28, 2005 Share Posted October 28, 2005 I understand how you feel. But the truth is death of the body is part of life on earth. BUT...her spirit lives thru Christ....believe me...nana is feeling no pain...and is in good hands now. I had a friend die at age 26 from a heart attack. I was angry....I wondered why him...this beautiful soul, in the peace crops...helping people...why did he die. And then it came to me.....God took him for a reason...he needed his soul in his kingdom....his time on earth was over. Yeah it sucked...but I also know that he was in good hands now.... Link to post Share on other sites
Chicana Posted October 28, 2005 Share Posted October 28, 2005 Hi im angry at the minute.My nanna died last night.I still dont understand how thats fair! Apex i respect what your saying but at this time when i need god most where is he? Fair enough at the minute i have my doubts about him but i have prayed to him before thanking him for everything and when i turn to him for help he isnt there.Why am i not in a postion to judge god? My nanna has been taken away from me i was really close to her.She was scared and in pain.There was nothing we could do.So where was he? Maybe ill only know these answers when im dead but at the minute i just feel so mad! Im sorry to everyone if im being nasty i just feel so upset and angry at the minute.Sorry No need to be sorry, feeling angry is natural when you lose somebody you love deeply. You say your Nanna was scared and in pain, well the comfort comes in knowing that she is at peace now. I hope that you can find a moment to reflect and think about whether or not she believed in Jesus and God and what she would have you do. And my belief is that God was with her right by her side helping her through everything. He was with you too and if you turn to him he can bring you comfort and strength to see you through. Even if you don't believe at the moment he will always be there waiting for you, to accept you with open arms whenever you are ready. When negative things happen we tend to say where was God when I was begging for him to do something. The reasons things happen and don't happen are not always clear to us but they will be someday. God knows everything we do and everything we will do but he still loves all of us. Try not to be mad and angry but rather take some time to dwell in all of the happiness your Nanna brought you. And thank God for giving her to you as your Nanna. My Grandmother passed a few years back and I was so very sad that even today I miss her intensely. She raised me from birth to about 6 or 7 years of age and I even thought she was my Mom for awhile. She was so funny, gentle, loving, and so much more. She raised about 5 of us grandkids and she and my grandfather were very very special to all of us. When she passed I had moved to a different state and I got the call a day ahead that she was not doing well. I booked a flight as quick as I could but the night before I left some strange things happened to me. I heard her calling my name and I could not sleep and some other stuff that kind of freaked me out at the moment. Right after that I got a call that she had passed. Oh my gosh I was so upset and I cried and cried and asked God why he took her before I could see her and touch her and kiss her one more time. I was so lost in all of it that I just couldn't understand it. But a couple years later I came to realize that God did that because he knew I could not handle being there at her passing. It would killed me worse than just losing her alone. So I didn't see it then but I see now the reason it all happened that way. She was in pain like your Nanna and I thank God now that he didn't let her continue suffering and took her to be with him. But, she told us for a couple months before she passed that she wanted to go to heaven and be with her husband who had passed and that God was getting ready to take her to be with him. So I was really lucky and through her words and much prayer and reflection it was a little easier to deal with. I hope you can find the same kind of peace if you reflect on her condition and the things she said and everything that was going on. I will not lie and tell you that it doesn't hurt, or you won't be angry but God can bring you comfort if you turn to him. I am so sorry for your loss Link to post Share on other sites
ButtonPusher Posted October 29, 2005 Share Posted October 29, 2005 Hi im angry at the minute.My nanna died last night.I still dont understand how thats fair! Apex i respect what your saying but at this time when i need god most where is he? Fair enough at the minute i have my doubts about him but i have prayed to him before thanking him for everything and when i turn to him for help he isnt there.Why am i not in a postion to judge god? My nanna has been taken away from me i was really close to her.She was scared and in pain.There was nothing we could do.So where was he? Maybe ill only know these answers when im dead but at the minute i just feel so mad! Im sorry to everyone if im being nasty i just feel so upset and angry at the minute.Sorry Now I see probably where all these questions about existence and god have come from Toni. Just as one of the other posters said, death is just as much a part of life as our birth. Everyone around you will one day die, and once people that you love do die it is up to you how you view it. You can either grieve and mourn, and maybe get angry about it, or alternatively you could celebrate the life your nanna had, especially the time you were able to share with her. If you were very close then you were fortunate to have had someone like that in your life. If your nanna could see you now, do you think she would want you to be in pain, and to be angry? Or would she want you to be happy, just as maybe you were when she was around? The funny thing about humans, is that the extent of our emotional suffering is caused by our own thoughts and attitudes. Yes it's sad that someone you love has gone, but you say she was in a lot of pain, so now she has been released from that pain. Link to post Share on other sites
Milo Posted October 29, 2005 Share Posted October 29, 2005 Is there a God? Is there Democracy? I would say yes, and they are both just as ephemeral. Link to post Share on other sites
Author Toni_no12002 Posted October 29, 2005 Author Share Posted October 29, 2005 Hi thanks everyone sorry for raving on i was a little angry.Im still really upset and in a way im glad i wasnt there when she died.But in another way i wish i was so i could comfort her as she would have been scared.If there is a heaven i hope shes gone and has found my grandad.In a way ever since my grandada died a year ago i think she wanted to be with him.She missed him so much she wasnt herself.I hope now shes happy. Thanks everyone! Link to post Share on other sites
the corinthian Posted October 29, 2005 Share Posted October 29, 2005 People claim there is a god through the power of belief. Often, they argue god's existence through religion and the fact that the bible tells us that there is a god. There is no proof that a god exists, and therefore it is quite easy to argue the position that a god does not exist. People often find it difficult to believe anything without proof, yet so many people believe in a god, or at least on the surface profess such a belief. I find this curious. People do not always make sense, however, and allow their emotions to justify numerous things in their lives. Link to post Share on other sites
Apex Posted October 30, 2005 Share Posted October 30, 2005 People often find it difficult to believe anything without proof, yet so many people believe in a god, or at least on the surface profess such a belief. I find this curious. People do not always make sense, however, and allow their emotions to justify numerous things in their lives.On one day, I looked up to see a cloud formation with the near perfect likeness of Mary. It was so clear that I could count the beads on her rosary. I wondered, "How many people go through their lives never noticing these things?" Link to post Share on other sites
Author Toni_no12002 Posted October 30, 2005 Author Share Posted October 30, 2005 Sometimes though your eyes can see things that they want to see.I can make things out of clouds or out of patterns on wallpapers.Doesnt mean god did it though Link to post Share on other sites
quankanne Posted October 30, 2005 Share Posted October 30, 2005 People often find it difficult to believe anything without proof, yet so many people believe in a god, or at least on the surface profess such a belief. I find this curious. People do not always make sense, however, and allow their emotions to justify numerous things in their lives. faith isn't supposed to make sense, it's more of a visceral thing than a cerebral one. Does that mean it's based in emotion? Only if you can count "surety" as an emotion. Faith, or believing in God, is one's simply the awareness to his presence. Sometimes though your eyes can see things that they want to see.I can make things out of clouds or out of patterns on wallpapers.Doesnt mean god did it though no, he probably didn't – someone with a healthy sense of imagination was prolly responsible for that. The bigger issue is that you were aware of that cloud formation, you saw with eyes that looked beyond the obvious and you found something more than just patterns on wallpaper. Same thing goes with faith: you look with eyes that seek beyond the obvious. Link to post Share on other sites
Apex Posted October 30, 2005 Share Posted October 30, 2005 no, he probably didn't – someone with a healthy sense of imagination was prolly responsible for that. The bigger issue is that you were aware of that cloud formation, you saw with eyes that looked beyond the obvious and you found something more than just patterns on wallpaper. Same thing goes with faith: you look with eyes that seek beyond the obvious.It was on the leading edge of a large storm cloud. It wasn't an ink blot. It looked more like a statue with its base melting away into the blue sky. When you can count off beads, you know it is pretty detailed. I really don't care if none of you believe me. Link to post Share on other sites
quankanne Posted October 31, 2005 Share Posted October 31, 2005 I really don't care if none of you believe me. was referring to the wallpaper comment in the previous post, Apex. I don't doubt when someone says they see holy apparitions, because that's definitely that person being in tune with the holy. Me, I'm the dense kind – people have to point out stuff before I get it Link to post Share on other sites
Author Toni_no12002 Posted October 31, 2005 Author Share Posted October 31, 2005 even if im not sure if i do believe in all this god stuff.I really hope there is.We all need someone to look out for us.Surely everybody must have questioned his existence at some time. Link to post Share on other sites
quankanne Posted November 2, 2005 Share Posted November 2, 2005 Surely everybody must have questioned his existence at some time. I like to think so because that search is part of a faith journey, no matter what you decide the outcome is. found something in a church bulletin that struck a chord, the pope was talking about Christ's invisible presence in the Eucharist, but I think it also can be considered from a faith perspective: "We cannot see Him, yet there are many things we cannot see but that exist and are essential. For example, we cannot see our own reason and intelligence ... yet they exist for we can speak and think. We cannot see electricity, but we feel its effects, such as light. We cannot see the most profound things, but we can see and feel their effects." to a believer, God and faith are very much the same. You cannot see either, much less describe them because they're not tangible, yet their effect on people is undeniable ... Link to post Share on other sites
Author Toni_no12002 Posted November 3, 2005 Author Share Posted November 3, 2005 I suppose we cant see everything that is there.Abit like germs and stuff really.You have to look really hard to see them ie under a microscope maybe thats how god is you have to look hard enough. Link to post Share on other sites
Curt Posted November 4, 2005 Moderators Share Posted November 4, 2005 I suppose we cant see everything that is there.Abit like germs and stuff really.You have to look really hard to see them ie under a microscope maybe thats how god is you have to look hard enough. You're very right Toni. A problem that we all have as human beings is that we often accept only what we can see readily with our senses, but reject that which cannot be perceived in that same way. Nonetheless, I cannot see the wind. Yet, I know it's there. It's effects are as readily available as one could wish to see. God and our Lord is very much with us. I am convinced of it, as there have been so many times that I have been in situations and witnessed things that would likely have been considered so improbable as to be considered completely impossible. Nonetheless, they have happened. He's with us at all times. We sometimes just find it very difficult to hear the voice of God amongst the noise and confusion of our everyday lives. Have faith, and continue to ask questions. Curt Link to post Share on other sites
Oh really, now... Posted November 8, 2005 Share Posted November 8, 2005 Okay, being a Pagan, I of course believe in the Gods. It doesn't mean, however, that They are necessarily kind, unkind, or even have an interest in you at all. Each God is different, just as each person is different. Ultimately, though, all Gods are but faces of the Unknowable Divine. I'm not asking you to believe what I believe, or even care, though. That's your prerogative. You asked for my beliefs, you got them. Link to post Share on other sites
Oh really, now... Posted November 8, 2005 Share Posted November 8, 2005 Isn't the fact that you breathe, feel, laugh, cry, proof enough? Sure, scientist credit the, "Big Bang", theory and somehow all of these elements magically combined themselves to create an ecosystem worthy of substaining life......but, how'd they all get together in one place, at the right time? As far as God allowing terribly things to happen, ie, your grandpa and grandma, these things come with age. Terrible things happen to good people all the time. It doesn't mean God is the cause of it. We do have free will. And the reason we have free will is so we can love without force. Yes, there is a God. Ooohoohoo. According to Time Loop Theory, there never *was* a beginning, as time is not linear (it just appears to be). The Big Bang is simply the apex, and the destruction of the universe the nadir, of an endless loop. From that perspective. the destruction of the universe caused the big bang, which will cause the destriction of the universe, and so on and so forth forever. Then again, you've got to be a bit nuts to be a scientist. Link to post Share on other sites
Oh really, now... Posted November 8, 2005 Share Posted November 8, 2005 We might as well call God Tao. And realize that the name is clouding the experience. I have not seen such wisdom posted on a forum in quite some time. Link to post Share on other sites
ButtonPusher Posted November 9, 2005 Share Posted November 9, 2005 Will this thread ever sink to the depths of LS's archives? Link to post Share on other sites
Author Toni_no12002 Posted November 9, 2005 Author Share Posted November 9, 2005 I asked one of my friends the other day and in the past one religion.Was it the jews?Who was told to kill anyone who wasnt a jew and to rape all the women who where virgins.Oh and also kill all women who wasnt virgins.He reads alot about religion.Im not saying it was jews i cant remember who they where but whoever they where there god who has supposedly told them to do this was stupid.What happened to thou shalt not kill and all that?? Why would some gods say to do one thing and other gods the other.Seems abit strange to me.I thought there was only one god! Link to post Share on other sites
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