Is there really a god?

[Admiral Thrawn]

And because not every single person considers Bush to be smart must necessarily mean that Bush is smart? Makes perfect nonsense.

 

We are talking about people's experience in something, not a political opinion.

 

Icarus flew. It is written therefore evidence in your book. Therefore, man can fly without using helicopters, planes or anything advanced. Just a few feathers and some wax will do. I would say: good luck if you try to cross the Atlantic that way.

 

We are talking about ancedontal evidence that there is more to the natural world then meets the eye. I dont think we are in the samge page here.

[d'Arthez]

I've heard of documented cases of error with carbon-14 measurement.

You have heard constitutes sufficient proof for error?

 

Even living organisms were thought to be thousands or millions of years old with that measurement.

If you knew a thing about the carbon-14 dating procedure you would know that what you wrote is absolutely impossible.

[whats wrong with me]

I'm tired today and dont feel like arguing today so I'll just explain myself and leave......

 

I dont doubt your very smart, but do you know WHY your armpits stink? Dont tell me sweat glands etc. You dont know WHY, they just do...

 

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Actually, I do know why sweat has an odor. What if anything does that have to do with the non-existence of god?

 

Although I'm not a very smart person acadamically, I seem to comprehend things better than others sometimes. AND I like analogies that stupid people, such as myself, can understand. You did not post WHY sweat has an odor. I assume you would give me a scientific (sp?) explaination such as chemicals broken down by our body and the food we eat. This is a result or a reason not a WHY.

 

Do you have "proof" of WHY? I dont believe you can prove WHY. Do you think sweat has an odor to attract the opposite sex or do you think our body produces such an odor to repell our enemies? Armpits just stink. The sense of smell is not tangible, so how can it be proven? what I might think smells awful you may think smells great. Although we disagree, one thing is for sure the smell is there. Much like God.

 

 

WHY: something (as a belief) that serves as the basis for another thing <asked the whys behind the surprising decision

 

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I have no idea what that means

 

I figured as much......What is WHY....... see above....the noun form of WHY Bye Bye

[Toni_no12002]

Actually i should have never asked if there was a god.I should have known it would have caused arguements.sorry!

 

I dont think anyones taking the post away from me dont worry.Its just i dont want a big arguement about it.I mean whats it going to achieve.I dont mean this nasty but to a certain degree everyone is ignorant and whatever anyone says they wont change there views.So why the big arguements.

 

I started this post because i have never grown up with god.I didnt know that much about the whole situation.I was and am still angry that my nanna died and my grandad in the ways they did.People always say that god is there and to me he wasnt.I was upset and wanted an explanation for why it happened.Ive never had anyone close to me die before and it hurts.I know im not the only one that has gone through deaths and people may think im abit selfish for blaming god for them dying when ive never had anything to do with him before.But who else is to blame?i dont know.

 

Please dont come back with smart remarks because to be honest its not going to help things.

 

I started this thread to make me feel alittle better about my nanna and grandad.After all this is a site for problems isnt it?

Just give up arguing already!

[quankanne]

It must've been brillant for God to have his message in a book, written in three languages, especially 2000 years ago when the majority of the people couldn't read and the printing press wasn't invent yet.

 

nah, the brilliant part is that lo these many centuries later, people are still finding inspiration in the Gospel, they are not swayed by things of the world, they believe in the truths of science yet still are in tune with God ... it really IS brilliant, but that's the Holy Spirit hard at work ....

 

not to outdo your faceticiousness, but any ninny understands that before the written word comes the spoken word, evident even today as we bring babies into the world and find speech the means of communication with the little boogers.

 

I know im not the only one that has gone through deaths and people may think im abit selfish for blaming god for them dying when ive never had anything to do with him before.But who else is to blame?i dont know.

 

don't flay yourself over raising the whole question and some of the subsequent issues that have arisen. This is what happens when ideas and thoughts and opinions are allowed to be traded freely.

 

as for blaming God, it's a very human response – I've actually gotten upset with him when my husband and I hit bottom several years ago and things became overwhelmingly awful, and I tend to be a Pollyanna for the most part, so you know I was scraping bottom of the barrel. I still feel bad for yelling at him, but at the time, it was the only honest response I had to the situation. He knows your heart, and he loves all the more because he understands where you're coming from.

 

now, if this is getting too hot for your liking, or you're worried that someone's gonna pop a vein over these heated debates, just contact the mods and ask them to close or lock the thread because you feel things are escalating to a point of no return.

[HotCaliGirl]

Oh, and by the way, I've studied up on it. The KJV is the most accurate interpretation there is. Your professors are basing their knowledge on the corrupt Alexandrian/Greek texts that the Roman Catholic church has used. This is a Jesuit conspiracy to bring back those corrupt Greek texts, and those who are teaching you are part of that conspiracy.

Nope, sorry to break it to you, but it is on the same edition you read, not an esoteric churched based version used exclusively by the Catholic Church (I'm not aware of that one). IF you were an open-minded person you'd inquire to know what passages and discrepancies I was referring to, instead of putting down the whole thing and calling world class professors people would pay anything to spend any time with, conspirators! I totally give up on you...bye bye and good luck.

[whats wrong with me]

I actually didn't mean to sound like it does.

 

I Just reread now and it does read like I'm ticked.

 

As I was reading through this thread I did see alot of interesting points. I was brought up being taught that God was there but my family didn't go to Church. This is actually a pretty decent thread, you would never see this much diversity on the subject of God anywhere else.

 

You, have so much info right now with which to make a decision for yourself.

 

I cant say for everyone else, but I believed in GOD before I got my proof, due to my family teaching me there was a God. I guess I'm a little biased (BUT not Much) :D just kidding!

 

Did your grannie believe in God. Mine did and when her time was coming she said she was glad to finally meet her maker. So I didn't feel as bad when she died and now that I'm a little older I see my grama in me.

[quankanne]

This is a Jesuit conspiracy to bring back those corrupt Greek texts

 

am curious here: were you educated by Jesuits and for some reason developed a deep-seated hatred of them? It seems like every time you attack the Catholic Church you throw in something horrifying that the Jebbies did. Though logically speaking, those actions took place a long time ago – before either of us were born – and the Church has since reconciled them/dulled the fangs of the Jesuits.

[Bogun]

I ain't biting my tongue. In fact, the people who have raised points of contradiction have bitten their tongue and cry sour grapes when I raise an explanation.

 

Ehh??? I'm not crying sour grapes admiral. I don't give a toss if you want to keep your head in the sand and ignore all the sources apart from the bible and believe that its completely accurate, and the KJV at that.

 

Even the christian philospher Origen (look him up if you doubt me admiral) said that the manuscripts from which the bible was formed, were altered to suit the religious environment at different times, (this is what he said about the scribes, "those that add or delete as they please", quoted in "Gospel Truth" by Stanton, but I doubt you'll read it as you'll assume he's the intrument of the devil).

 

I never bit my tongue, I listed the geneologies a few posts back and got no reply from you. All the other contradictions I mentioned you dismissed because you believe the KJV is the real deal and everything else is the work of the devil. I didn't even go into the huge contradictions between the god of the old testament (gets pissed off, kills people, lots of punishing) and the new testament (all about forgiveness, loving your neighbour), nor the numerous geographical contradictions in the gospels.

 

Nothing was said about the post I wrote about the lack of historical evidence of jesus' existence.

 

Your evidence for the great flood is the fact that there are oceans in the world (so there were no oceans at the time of noah prior to the flood? )

 

My point is the Bible is the best way to understand God. It is simply a perfect revelation of who God is, and what His purposes are for humanity.

How can it be the best way when the evidence suggests it has been tampered with??? You have not replied to any of the comments by myself and others about the numerous gospels left out of the bible. Nor did you say anything about my post about the Gnostic christians (nothing to do with agnostics.) You dismissed the similarities between the beliefs and practices of socrates, pythagoras etc and christianity as the work of the devil, and the creation of someone called nimrod! Nimrod has nothing to do with what socrates taught. Educate yourself admiral.

It seems that to retain the beliefs that you hold admiral, you not only have to have faith in god, but faith in the accuracy of the modern version of the bible.

 

This is a Jesuit conspiracy to bring back those corrupt Greek texts, and those who are teaching you are part of that conspiracy.

There is no conspiracy. The historians I've come across are not jesuits. Is this what your religious leaders have told you?

 

That is just ignorant. We have great Atheistic countries - like China, Cuba, the old Soviet Union. That's right, Stalin did not believe in God, and look how they treated people. Perhaps you should have lived in an Atheistic country such as the U.S.S.R. - I'm sure you like me associating you with the likes of Stalin since you are both Atheists.

Who educated you admiral?? Joe McCarthy??? The USSR did not condone religious practices, but this does not mean that the population were athiests. The churches were destroyed, but people still held their beliefs and practised their faith. Many russians today would actually prefer the old lifestyle anyway. Not because they liked being treated like crap by the government, but because they had food, cars, jobs. You think governments aligned with christianity have always treated the population well??

[Admiral Thrawn]

This is a Jesuit conspiracy to bring back those corrupt Greek texts

 

am curious here: were you educated by Jesuits and for some reason developed a deep-seated hatred of them? It seems like every time you attack the Catholic Church you throw in something horrifying that the Jebbies did. Though logically speaking, those actions took place a long time ago – before either of us were born – and the Church has since reconciled them/dulled the fangs of the Jesuits.

 

No, I have read the literature from Alberto Rivera, and have read most of the stuff documented by this guy, who is claiming that Jesuits have him on a hit list and want to kill him. He also says that Jesuits are behind the scenes, and will silence any Christian leader who really starts preaching against the Catholic church. He portrays them like a 'Religious Mafia' if there was such a term.

 

They have conspiracies to discredit the KJV bible and re-introduce the corrupted texts that would justify Purgatory and other Catholic doctrines, and works behind the scenes of the known Catholic church. So, it is sort of an underground elitist organisation that is hidden to Roman Catholics, except those at the top of the hierarchy, and the world in general.

 

The Jesuits are still alive and well today, and you wont know about them, unless you are a vocal enemy of the Roman Catholic church, or if you have been in elite circles of the Roman Catholic church and desert and start whistleblowing. Like I said, the Catholic church has two fronts, the public side, which we all see as a 'Christian' church, and a secret elitist conspirator side that is entirely diabolical.

 

Authority, Alberto Rivera and Jack Chick publications. http://www.chick.com

[Admiral Thrawn]

Even the christian philospher Origen (look him up if you doubt me admiral) said that the manuscripts from which the bible was formed, were altered to suit the religious environment at different times, (this is what he said about the scribes, "those that add or delete as they please", quoted in "Gospel Truth" by Stanton, but I doubt you'll read it as you'll assume he's the intrument of the devil).

 

The blind leading the blind, both fall into the ditch. I have no interest in what a blind philosopher has to say about the KJV Bible.

 

I never bit my tongue, I listed the geneologies a few posts back and got no reply from you.

 

Yes you did.

 

All the other contradictions I mentioned you dismissed because you believe the KJV is the real deal and everything else is the work of the devil.

 

No, I replied to everything. You just dismiss my explanations and cried sour grapes "ad hoc explanation" because you did not like them.

 

I didn't even go into the huge contradictions between the god of the old testament (gets pissed off, kills people, lots of punishing) and the new testament (all about forgiveness, loving your neighbour), nor the numerous geographical contradictions in the gospels.

 

There is no contradiction - it is still the same God. You do not understand the concept of dispensation of law and dispensation of grace. What geological contradictions? What you do not understand, you call a contradiction - an easy way to remain stupid.

 

Nothing was said about the post I wrote about the lack of historical evidence of jesus' existence.

 

Because it is extra-Biblical garbage. The Bible forbids me to respond to foolishness - so to be honest, it is against my religion that you did not get a reply.

 

The discussion of contradiction is the text of the Bible only, and if passages or more importantly spiritual doctrines or concepts in the Bible actually contradict each other.

 

Your evidence for the great flood is the fact that there are oceans in the world (so there were no oceans at the time of noah prior to the flood? )

 

You dont like Oceans?

 

How can it be the best way when the evidence suggests it has been tampered with???

 

The Alexandrian greek manuscripts have been tampered with (non-KJV versions). The source of the KJV material is as pure as it gets.

 

You have not replied to any of the comments by myself and others about the numerous gospels left out of the bible.

 

Again, I have no time for extra-biblical garbage. It is beyond the scope of the discussion. My orginal assertation of contradiction relies only on text and passages on the Bible.

 

For that matter, if you are going extra-biblical, why not just bring up the Quoran and the Gospel of John one time, and say there is a contradiction?

This is so absurd.

 

Nor did you say anything about my post about the Gnostic christians (nothing to do with agnostics.) You dismissed the similarities between the beliefs and practices of socrates, pythagoras etc and christianity as the work of the devil, and the creation of someone called nimrod! Nimrod has nothing to do with what socrates taught. Educate yourself admiral.

 

But the type of religion Nimrod started has been passed down and adopted. The thematic similarities of religion is to confuse people about Jesus Christ and virgin birth - as God promised in Genesis 3:15.

 

As I said, the devil's first plan was to scatter the offsprint of the woman with fallen-Angel seed. That did not work. The Flood came and wiped out these hybrids from the face of the earth. The next strategy was to create a false religion that would confuse people about Jesus Christ, and so forth.

Appearantly that strategy is successful.

 

Being oblivious to 'spiritual warfare', and 'enemy strategy', and military logic, of course you can not understand theology. There is an 'enemy' that is constantly trying to confuse and distort things, relating to the Messiah, in the Bible.

 

It seems that to retain the beliefs that you hold admiral, you not only have to have faith in god, but faith in the accuracy of the modern version of the bible.

 

No, the KJV version of the Bible. The Modern version is based on corrupted texts - as part of a Jesuit conspiracy, that you wouldn't know about, since you are part of the masses, and not part of the secret elitist organisation.

 

There is no conspiracy. The historians I've come across are not jesuits. Is this what your religious leaders have told you?

 

Right, they may be influenced, paid off, or used by the Jesuits. You have no idea how powerful the Jesuits are and where their tentacles of power reach.

 

Who educated you admiral?? Joe McCarthy??? The USSR did not condone religious practices, but this does not mean that the population were athiests.

 

That was the State religion - it was officially Atheist. Communism is necessarily Atheistic.

 

The churches were destroyed, but people still held their beliefs and practised their faith. Many russians today would actually prefer the old lifestyle anyway. Not because they liked being treated like crap by the government, but because they had food, cars, jobs.

 

In Stalin's time, people in Ukraine died because he exported food for other countries to enlarge the State's pocket, food grown by people of Ukraine. Millions of people died of that policy. If you said anything against Stalin, you were sent to a gulag to slave yourself to death, or if lucky, you were just shot in the head.

 

You think governments aligned with christianity have always treated the population well??

 

Of course. They tolerate Atheists. They believe in free-will for all citizens, not some type of zombie-like citizenery that has to believe and do everything the dictator says or get shot in the head, right?

[d'Arthez]

As I pointed out in this thread, Admiral claimed (in another thread) he has a degree in psychology. But cannot spell schizophrenia, let alone knows what it is. Does anyone think that professional education is that bad?

 

If he can make up facts out of thin air, and be so glaringly blind as to what follows from the assertions he has made himself, any "discussion" is useless - he will dictate what truth must be.

[Bogun]

Admiral, Origen (185-254 AD), is one of the most famous christian theologians of history. Did you even know who he was when you referred to him as a "blind philospher"? I'll say it again, go educate yourself.

 

 

No more posts from me on this thread. A certain persons posts are becoming more and more rediculous, and show the ignorance and closed mentality that results from living within a fundamentalist environment.

 

I feel sorry for the people that are trapped in such an environment. I'm glad that I have met a number of intelligent and open minded christians, so that I know that people like admiral are only a small minority, certainly in my own region of the world.

 

Admiral, I'm amazed and appalled at your attack on the Jesuits, and I bet you have never met one. The Jesuits I've come across are some of the most educated and compassionate people I know. Many choose to work with the poor and disadvantaged in the third world. Not to hammer the bible into people, but to provide a general education.

[Admiral Thrawn]

Admiral, Origen (185-254 AD), is one of the most famous christian theologians of history. Did you even know who he was when you referred to him as a "blind philospher"? I'll say it again, go educate yourself.

 

Whatever, I never intended an extra-biblical discussion. Going extra-biblical just shows you can not find any textual contradiction on the KJV. End of story.

 

No more posts from me on this thread. A certain persons posts are becoming more and more rediculous, and show the ignorance and closed mentality that results from living within a fundamentalist environment.

 

I'm not the one that is biting my tongue, you are. You can not have the cake and eat it too. For the final record, there is no contradiction in the KJV, so, until you have something to say further than cow-dung go right ahead.

 

I feel sorry for the people that are trapped in such an environment. I'm glad that I have met a number of intelligent and open minded christians, so that I know that people like admiral are only a small minority, certainly in my own region of the world.

 

Sour grapes. This is a natural response to casting pearls to swine.

 

Admiral, I'm amazed and appalled at your attack on the Jesuits, and I bet you have never met one. The Jesuits I've come across are some of the most educated and compassionate people I know. Many choose to work with the poor and disadvantaged in the third world. Not to hammer the bible into people, but to provide a general education.

 

I stand by what I said as based on Alberto Rivera's experiences. There is some branch that is 'mafia like'. Anyway, you wouldn't give a crap anyway so why waste time with you trying to show anything.

[d'Arthez]

I stand by what I said as based on Alberto Rivera's experiences. There is some branch that is 'mafia like'. Anyway, you wouldn't give a crap anyway so why waste time with you trying to show anything.

And we all know that the 67th Bible Book is Alberto Rivera's experiences.

[quankanne]

No, I have read the literature from Alberto Rivera, and have read most of the stuff documented by this guy, who is claiming that Jesuits have him on a hit list and want to kill him. He also says that Jesuits are behind the scenes, and will silence any Christian leader who really starts preaching against the Catholic church. He portrays them like a 'Religious Mafia' if there was such a term … The Jesuits are still alive and well today, and you wont know about them, unless you are a vocal enemy of the Roman Catholic church, or if you have been in elite circles of the Roman Catholic church and desert and start whistleblowing.

 

you slay me, AT, you really do. My bishop and publisher is a Puerto Rican Jesuit, an incredibly farsighted and holy man who in his five years in the vineyards of East Texas, has given Catholics there a true understanding of their call to vocation to evangelize in whatever path God has placed before them and generally brought a sense of unity to a small but farflung and culturally diverse group of Catholics living in the Piney Woods. No small feat for a guy who was appointed to succeed a very popular and well-loved Irish bishop.

 

It's possible that my guy is a prince among prelates, both generally speaking and among Jebbies, but so far, the Jesuits I've encountered in my work for the church have been very spiritual men who dedicate their work "for the greater glory of God." While I realize that like any large, centuries old organization there is room for corruption, I think maybe you've bought a little to much into a conspiracy theory floated by a disgruntled individual who's doing his best to malign the order for whatever reasons he believes are valid.

 

Like I said, the Catholic church has two fronts, the public side, which we all see as a 'Christian' church, and a secret elitist conspirator side that is entirely diabolical.

 

at which point, I think I'll just offer a prayer for you as you perpetuate misguided notions based on the writings of someone who obviously hates the Church.

[Bogun]

Admiral, its not about biting my tongue. Its just pointless continuing a discussion with you, when you can't see the frailty of your position. You keep claiming the legitimacy of the KJV bible, and accusing me of going "extra biblical", but where do you think the KJV came from??? It didn't just magically appear. It was the culmination of the work of different scribes throughout history, writing down the original teachings. How can this be extra biblical if I'm referring to the documents upon which the KJV is based????

[Toni_no12002]

schizophrenia's a big word it often gets mispelled.I mean i know how to spell most things but once i forgot how to spell was lol.Whats psychology got to do with god anyway?

 

Im not going to contact the mods ill just let people argue it out they'll soon get bored

 

Can i ask is most people here from the us?

[erika2610]

schizophrenia's a big word it often gets mispelled.I mean i know how to spell most things but once i forgot how to spell was lol.Whats psychology got to do with god anyway?

 

Im not going to contact the mods ill just let people argue it out they'll soon get bored

 

Can i ask is most people here from the us?

 

Admiral Thrawn will never get bored talking about religion And yes.. I'm from the US.

[d'Arthez]

schizophrenia's a big word it often gets mispelled.I mean i know how to spell most things but once i forgot how to spell was lol.Whats psychology got to do with god anyway?

Yes, it gets misspelled often.

 

Admiral claimed in another thread to have a degree in psychology. Thus you might expect that he does at least have a basic understanding of schizophrenia, and certainly knows how to spell it (and not make a whatever remark about the spelling, as he would know the importance of diagnosis).

That warrants quite a bit of suspicion. And if there is a lack of truth in the facts that can be established, we have little reason to assume that it is present when facts and interpretations cannot be verified.

 

Can i ask is most people here from the us?

Yes, most people on LS are from the US. Although I am from Europe.

[Toni_no12002]

Oh i was just wondering because im from the uk.

[Admiral Thrawn]

Admiral, its not about biting my tongue. Its just pointless continuing a discussion with you, when you can't see the frailty of your position.

 

Or you cant see the frailty of yours.

 

You keep claiming the legitimacy of the KJV bible, and accusing me of going "extra biblical", but where do you think the KJV came from???

 

Hebrew and Greek texts. Fact is, we are talking about 'cannon' - which means Genesis to Revelation in the KJV Bible. When you start raising stuff that is beyond those parameters, then it is not recognised cannon.

 

The Catholic church may recognise or cannonise other writings, and probably other groups, such as Mormons, Jehovah's Witnesses, that they have along side the Bible, however, I dont, and many Protestant circles only recognise the Bible as being the final authority on all spiritual matters, and the interpretation of scripture, as inspired by the Holy Spirit.

 

It didn't just magically appear. It was the culmination of the work of different scribes throughout history, writing down the original teachings. How can this be extra biblical if I'm referring to the documents upon which the KJV is based????

 

Simple, you not basing it on the Bible. You are best to discuss this topic with QUICKANNE, or someone who may accept non-cannonical material in their tradition, or cannonise extra-biblical material. However, as far as my faith is concerned, I stick to what the Bible says. I believe the Bible, can interpret itself, and if the Spirit interprets the Bible, then other verses will come to mind, and cross-reference the verses you are seeking interpretation for. It is that simple.

 

However, you clearly can not appreciate that dynamic. Therefore, sadly, you will never know what the secret symbols in Revelation 12 mean and other chapters - which I have ascertained by cross-referencing with other text.

[Moai]

Oh really. How is belief in the theory of 'Evolution' going to cure anyone?

 

Because it is fundmental to biology.

 

You know, it is interesting, the assertions made by Kevin Trudeau in the "Natural Healings" book that the whole industry is in to make money and to keep people sick. That is why you never actually hear of cures of cancer, or aids, but always see that people are donating or governments are funding them.

 

Kevin Trudeau is a convicted felon with no knowledge of the human body or medical science. His book is paranoid, and he preys on the ignorance of people to sell his books. It is not surprising to me at all that you would quote him as someone that whose ideas we should consider.

 

Sure, drugs are toxins that help keep you sick.

 

Tell that to people who can't breathe without their inhaler, or can't get out of bed without anti-inflammatory drugs, or people in severe pain.

 

If the drug companies know about these cures but are keeping them secret, why does anyone with a relative inthat industry die of cancer? Why do their families get sick just s often as everyone else? To suggest such a thing is to suggest that a person would rather see every woman in their family die of breast cancer than cure them, just because of money.

 

And millions of more Americans are dying today then ever before despite so called advancements of medical science.

 

False. People are living longer today than they ever have before. All thanks to medical science.

 

And it is interesting that you summarily reject Ancedontal evidence and people's experiences and claim to be open-minded.

 

Just because I am open minded it does not follow that I am gullible.

 

Let's say that I saw Elvis in a casino today. I am positive that it was him, not a lookalike. I believe this so fervently that I would even pass a lie detercotr test. Does that mean that I saw Elvis? Of course not. Elvis is dead and buried, so it is impossible for me to have seen Elvis. But by your reasoning, not only is it possible that I saw Elvis, I must have, since I believe it so strongly, and you cannot discount my experience.

 

Living organism use automabiles and refrigerators.

 

That is just ignorant. We have great Atheistic countries - like China, Cuba, the old Soviet Union. That's right, Stalin did not believe in God, and look how they treated people. Perhaps you should have lived in an Atheistic country such as the U.S.S.R. - I'm sure you like me associating you with the likes of Stalin since you are both Atheists.

 

Stalin brethed air just as I do, too. Idi Amin believed in God, and look how he treated people.

 

I've heard of documented cases of error with carbon-14 measurement. Even living organisms were thought to be thousands or millions of years old with that measurement. It's inaccurate.

 

No, you haven't. C-14 is used to date relatively young objects, like around 50,000 years old or so. And it is very, very accurate. And you can't date living organisms using C-14.

 

But, since you doubt dating methods, please explain to me how every dating method that shows the Earth to be at least 4.5 to 5 billion year old is wrong by a factor of ten. Why are all these dating methods wrong by the exactly the same amount?

 

The fact is, they can't be.

 

Like building a time-machine so you can prove the theory of evolution?

 

I don't need to "prove" the theory of evolution. Species change over time. This is a fact. You can observe it yourself.

 

How and why these changes occur is what the thoery of evolution explains.

 

I'd use my time machine to go back and watch Jesus rise from the dead.

 

The natural world. As we told you, there is no disagreement of science or the Bible as it pertains things of the current material world and the study of it.

 

This is true, as long as you don't hold the Bible to be literally true.

 

Have you started working on the time-machine yet? Is time-travel scientifically possible?

 

No, time travel is not possible.

 

But where did the 'stuff' some from, nothing?

 

I have no idea why there is "stuff" as opposed to there not being "stuff". But that is a metaphysical question. Science is used to explain and understand how all the "stuff" works.

 

Right, but it is still an extrapolation. Creationalism would also suggest, that God creaed things to reproduce and mutate, but the point of origin of animals and humans are exactly as they appear now.

 

God could have created everything a second ago, with all of our memories intact. It is impossible to determine if this is the case or not, but it is certainly possible.

 

It is certainly possible that God could have created everything, but to suggest so is to suggest that god is incompetent.

 

Without the benefit of time-travel, Evolution is a falsfifiable theory, and since a time-machine can not be invented by science, then it is inconclusive.

 

You are exactly right. The Theory of Evolution is falsifiable, that is why it is science. Creationism is not falsifiable, which is why it is NOT science.

 

You are good at that. I give you that.

 

Thanks. But I do stop doubting when to keep doing so is foolish. That is why there is no doubt in my mind that all life shares a common ancestor. To doubt that in the face of so much evidence would be foolish, in my opinion, and in the opinion of every biology department on the planet.

 

I think that is LSD, not RNA.

 

LSD is great recreationally, but it doesn't mutate or reproduce.

 

Of course, just reject 'tons' of evidence to show that there is more than the natural world. And, you are talking about rejecting evidence you dont like to hear?

 

I am not rejecting any evidence at all. There is a hotel near where I live that is supposed ot be haunted. I have talked to people who ardently believe that it is, and that hey have seen ghosts there. I have been there many times, and I have never seen anything. Its the Gold Field Hotel, and they have made an episode of "Haunted America" all about it. None of that is evidence.

 

I have done LSD before, and I have seen walls literally breathe. It was just as real to me as typing this to you now. Does that mean that the walls must have been breathing? Of course not. But I saw it.

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Oh i was just wondering because im from the uk.

 

I am from Nevada.

[Moai]

And we all know that the 67th Bible Book is Alberto Rivera's experiences.

 

There is a Jack Chick comic book all about this guy. It is absolutely hilarious. Jack Chick rules!