I feel so unworthy. With men. Like nothing ever really matters?

[oppositeage26]

there are too many posts I can't respond to everyone just putting that out there

[Azincourt]

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yeah I relate to this deeply it isn't easy but sometimes because it's not easy and I'm not getting approached irl it can be hard on you. I don't feel there's no man out there for me. I feel like it's hard to deal with all the negativity but more than that it's to me just a little sad irl I don't get approached and that online is the only luck I get I get luck but it's only online and that was all my complaint was about

Dating ain't easy, lady.  Dating has never been easy, but what's a better alternative?

Arranged marriages ?Nah. Believe me. I met a lot of Middle-eastern women who had to live through Sharia law who very vehemently disagree with the whole marriage and relationships system they have over there in Islamic nations.

There's always dissappointments in the dating world. There's always regrets and bitterness to a degree, but if everyone was to become a hermit after getting rejected or putting your gloves down because people ain't throwing themselves at them - Mankind would go extinct?

Being gorgeous isn't a fire-sure way of having a happy romantic life. Ain't  no Prince Charming in life getting his princess just because he's 6'6'' and looks like Brad Pitt. Hell, not even Brad Pitt has a Brad Pittish- Romantic life. He said it himself, ''my love life is a disaster.''

There are women out there who look 10 times better than Selena Gomez(and trust me I'd drag my body over a sea of broken glass to get  a date with her, I'd even pay for it, heck if I was a billionaire I'd be buying her her own island-nation if she wanted to) and still these young women don't have a 100% perfect love life. Many women who are stunning-looking get rejected or ignored.

Many of these women are even turned down by men who are leagues below them in terms of looks.

Hell, even I have turned down women who were wayyy too perfect for my taste. Because I didn't want 10000000 guys who are 10000 times taller than I or have a better body than my own, to be hitting on my girlfriend  - if I was to enter a relationship with her.

I met women in college who made my jaw unhige because of how smoking hot they were, and after getting to know them I was told by them about their dating life. Some were 18-22 and had never had a boyfriend yet, with guys only having sex with them and moving on.

Others were incredibly hot and were still virgins at the age of 25, and it's not like they were expecting  that guy from 50 shades of Gray to ask them to marry them.

It's just how it is, lady. Everyone gets rejected. Everyone gets ignored from time to time. Everyone suffers from heartbreak.

Just because you are beautiful doesn't mean a guy oughta fall in love with you. Just because you are beautiful doesn't mean you owe any guy who thinks you are hot sex.  You don't owe anything to anyone, and no one owes ya anything. It's up to you to fight for what you want.  No one gave Floyd Mayweather jr the world champion title, he had to bleed for it.

Edited March 16, 2020 by Azincourt

[Azincourt]

18 minutes ago, oppositeage26 said:

I blame living in vegas tbh f***ed my dating life up

 

Ok, so listen, there's this business journalist called Jon Birger, he's American and he lives in America. He's married and he noticed that his female friends were entering their 30s and they couldn't find a guy to date seriously, or to get married to. These were gorgeous, well-educated women with good jobs, great income, their own houses, no crazy ex-boyfriend drama, nothing of the sort.

He asked himself what is going on with the world for these very eligible young women being incapable of finding a decent guy?
 

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It’s hard to write about this without sounding like you believe young women must place finding a husband above forging a successful career (I don’t), or you believe more men should be admitted to university at the expense of women to plug the husband gap (I don’t), or that marrying someone with a lower level of education is a terrible thing (I don’t believe that either). But, as the business journalist Jon Birger relates in his book Date-onomics, if an educated woman wants to form a long-term partnership with a man of similar education, the numbers are stacked against her.

Why too much choice is stressing us out

Cat, who works in social media and graduated last year, says of her group of female friends, “only one of them has a boyfriend and [the others are] all really attractive, fun girls, clever, educated, and can’t find a boyfriend. It’s really odd.” She thinks it has a lot to do with dating apps such as Tinder, “where everyone’s thinking there’s something better around the corner”.

 

 

This is a phenomenon that seems to be taking place everywhere in the world. I went to college in Europe, and I found my self within a college campus that had 5 times more women than men, and the vast majority of these young women were 5'9'' 120-130lbs with every physical characteristic that makes a woman, well, hot.  I'm nothing special. I'm not rich and it's not like I'm smooth-talking like Casanova.  But I entered 5 relationships and had a couple dozen hook-ups with women who were vastly more attractive than me.

They approached me, asked me out, initiated everything. Because there were many less men than there were women, and there were men there who were bald at the age of 20, overweight, too short for them, or the guy had a girlfriend and was loyal. if you move to a city where there are a lot more men than there are women - your chances of finding a boyfriend/husband increases by a lot, and you can even easily find a man who matches you where it concerns your college education, level of income, and personal level of beauty.

Young women want a boyfriend. What else are they going to do? Wait for a guy to approach them? But no guy does, and when one does it's usually a jerk tryin' upgrade his notch bedpost.

So they approach the guy, and it works for them.

 

Edited March 16, 2020 by Azincourt

[sothereiwas]

15 minutes ago, Azincourt said:

He said it himself, ''my love life is a disaster.''

From the guy who was with both Angelina Jolie and Jennifer Aniston (if memory serves) this isn't really resonating with me. 

 

17 minutes ago, Azincourt said:

Being gorgeous isn't a fire-sure way of having a happy romantic life.

"The race is not always to the swift ..." but that's how to bet

 

4 minutes ago, Azincourt said:

This is a phenomenon that seems to be taking place everywhere in the world.

If they want marriage, the biological fact is that women are wise to try to find that marriageable guy before they hit 30. That's just the math, as a lot of guys are not into marriage any more, and those who are typically are family minded and can often do math. The OP, being apparently 26 (?) or something, shouldn't be up against this yet. As far as I can tell, other than a few hints of maybe being a little racist in her speech, she's pretty prime if she's as advertised. 

[oppositeage26]

3 hours ago, Azincourt said:

Well, where it concerns myself, I felt that something might've been wrong with these women to want to date me instead of wanting to date my friend(s) who were much better-looking, but over time I just figured that people like what they like, even when there's no reason for it 🤷

 

but that's the thing I think some men don't really know their own attractiveness sometimes you guys think men are attractive who really aren't at all. They're more ugly than anything in reality.

 

 

 

 

3 hours ago, sothereiwas said:

That's my conclusion as well, people want what they want. Don't overthink it, while still trying to figure it out. Or something. But foreclosing a good thing just because I don't get it has not in my experience been a winner strategy-wise. 

 

 

 

yeah I have not done that with my options as of yet. I was simply saying that the problems I experience more I feel have to do with the negativity related to being black this is obvious too because when I put that I'm mixed race or middle eastern I get more messages when I put latina I get less when I put black I get even less. So I know this to be true but I tend to ignore it

a c

2 hours ago, stillafool said:

So where you live they think every woman who lives in Las Vegas is a Prostitute?

 

 

usually black men think that that and some white guys it's just when I walk around on fremont looking on the attractive end I get treated like I must be a prostitute they even will stop their cars and try to accost me  

 

 

2 hours ago, stillafool said:

If you live in Las Vegas this is hard to believe.  There are people there of many ethnic backgrounds and I never experienced any problems when I've been there.  Are you only trying to date white men who are rejecting you?  How do black men treat you?

 

 

My preference is mixed men but they prefer chocolate girls white men pay more me more attention than mixed race men do. But I still don't get approached by them. As far as black men I wasn't raised around them and my dad is ls black man himself so I never had an attraction to them. In vegas also we're encouraged

 

2 hours ago, Azincourt said:

I honestly don't know. I think she came across guys who were pretty scummy, nothing to do with the way she dresses.  When I first landed in Europe to attend college, I befriended a few guys and gals who took me to the beach. This was a family beach. Lots of old ladies with their grandsons and families enjoying their day. 

I'm sitting on the sand having a talk with my new friends when I feel ocean foam falling on my face. I look up and I see an absolutely gorgeous twenty-something woman wearing a g-string and topless. I look around and I spot a few more equally incredibly attractive women going topless a nd wearing g-strings or thongs. But no guy was looking at them. No guy was even noticing their existence.

I'll be frank here. At first I assumed these men were attracted to men, not to women, but over the years of living in Europe, I met many women who could be playboy models walking around in revealing clothes who complained about getting no attention from men.

10 years and some after first landing in Europe I'm still baffled by this, because back home in Cali I met so many guys who'd throw themselves(or they'd be rude to women who'd reject them or because they felt the women were out of their league) at any woman. Heck, my 60 year old mother can't leave the house without dudes hitting on her hardcore, everyday, even men(and women) who are 20 to 40 years younger than my mom, and I'm not even going to mention my sisters.

I still feel that the men OP met were just crummy human beings, but what do I know. I'm still trying to figure out how women can be so attractive and so many guys won't even glance at them for a second.

2 hours ago, Azincourt said:

What I don't understand is:

A) Is she interested in dating these men who have been outright racist and sexist or:

B) The only men she meets are racist?

I lived in the Netherlands for a bit and from what I could tell the majority of men didn't assume this or that woman was a prostitute because she lived near the red district. Maybe the men OP crossed paths with wanted to hurt her by calling her a prostitute?

Same. Lived in Germany, where there are about 20 million Turks and I met a lot of German men(tall, blonde, blue-eyed) who had no problem dating Turkish women.  I met many men in Spain who were dating black women from Africa. I met men in Japan who were married to South American women.

Billions of men out there. Yeah, some are going to only want to date women who are part of their own race. But there are millions upon millions who are down to date black women etc.

 

Well originally I was not interested but then I realized how bad it was getting for me that well for hook ups I just wanted to get some. Not all are racist just some are racist. Some might not be racist but just prefer their own race like the first guy I dated he said he was white to impress me.

 

 

 

2 hours ago, preraph said:

I think if you live in Vegas or New Orleans, you have to dress really a notch more conservative and less sexy, or you will be mistaken for a prostitute.  I was mistaken for one in New Orleans because apparently they weren't familiar with rocker chick clothes.   So if you don't want that to happen, dress even more conservatively, and maybe wear your slightly sexier stuff on dates when you're with a man.  And just don't go overboard showing off your boobs or wearing skimpy clothes.  When you have a nice body, men can tell, even when you're wearing a suit!  You don't need to emphasize it, really.  They have x-ray eyes.  

That's another part of it in clothing I don't look like I have a nice body because I look so skinny. See forgot to mention that I can dress conservatively people don't think I have top heavy unless I'm nude. or low cut. They just think I'm skinny sometimes accused of wearing a push up. etc....

[Azincourt]

16 minutes ago, sothereiwas said:

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From the guy who was with both Angelina Jolie and Jennifer Aniston (if memory serves) this isn't really resonating with me. 

 

 

Hot women are just women like everyone else. You are not awarded a million dollars tax free for taking an attractive woman home for the night. Your financial problems, your college debt, your health problems, your bank credit ain't gonna clear itself up because someone who has high cheekbones, a slim waist and legs that go for miles spent the night with you.

There are things in life far more important than getting laid or getting in relationships, to be honest, and you life can be easily screwed up because of a condom that ripped, or because that woman looks so good your brain forgets to tell you to put a condom on.

 Because nothing in life is free. I've had attractive  women I had never seen in my life before go up to me and offer me sex, telling me I could do anything I wanted to do with them, to the point of 'you don't have to wear a condom because I want to feel you inside.''

I could do that. And then I would pay for it. By catching HIV or shypillis.  Or I'd  be on the hook for 18 years of child-support, minimum.

No woman is going around offering sex to guys like that unless there's something wrong with her. She's either mentally ill, has serious STDS  she wants to spread, or she wants to take me home to cut off my kidneys and sell them off. I dunno.

 

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"The race is not always to the swift ..." but that's how to bet

 

If they want marriage, the biological fact is that women are wise to try to find that marriageable guy before they hit 30. That's just the math, as a lot of guys are not into marriage any more, and those who are typically are family minded and can often do math. The OP, being apparently 26 (?) or something, shouldn't be up against this yet. As far as I can tell, other than a few hints of maybe being a little racist in her speech, she's pretty prime if she's as advertised. 

 

What math? Women can make healthy babies well into their late 30s. I have an aunt who had her last child at the age of 50. The kid is perfect in any way. And there are women who froze their eggs early in life. I'm  not interested in having children but I had various sperm samples frozen when I was 18 because you never know.  Yeah,  I don't think that it's so much as many men don't want marriage, but many men having to put effort now into their marriages with no-fault divorce and all, and lots of guys just want to keep replaying their 20s into their 50's.

In the Netherlands, 70% of first marriages end after 4 to 7 years of marriage. 80% of 2nd marriages end up in divorce after 4 to 7 years, and 90% of third marriages end the same way.  Don't quote me on that. Can't remember if it was the Netherlands or Italy.

Edited March 16, 2020 by Azincourt

[Cookiesandough]

My mom had me at 40 and I was an accident ish, If you want 15 kids you may want to start now 

[simpycurious]

"Hotness" is not a unique attribute especially in certain areas. Also, being aesthetically hot is in NO WAY a barometer for determining relationship

happiness in either gender.  There are gorgeous women everywhere but one's that are FUN and outgoing are somewhat harder to find.

[oppositeage26]

38 minutes ago, Azincourt said:

Dating ain't easy, lady.  Dating has never been easy, but what's a better alternative?

Arranged marriages ?Nah. Believe me. I met a lot of Middle-eastern women who had to live through Sharia law who very vehemently disagree with the whole marriage and relationships system they have over there in Islamic nations.

There's always dissappointments in the dating world. There's always regrets and bitterness to a degree, but if everyone was to become a hermit after getting rejected or putting your gloves down because people ain't throwing themselves at them - Mankind would go extinct?

Being gorgeous isn't a fire-sure way of having a happy romantic life. Ain't  no Prince Charming in life getting his princess just because he's 6'6'' and looks like Brad Pitt. Hell, not even Brad Pitt has a Brad Pittish- Romantic life. He said it himself, ''my love life is a disaster.''

There are women out there who look 10 times better than Selena Gomez(and trust me I'd drag my body over a sea of broken glass to get  a date with her, I'd even pay for it, heck if I was a billionaire I'd be buying her her own island-nation if she wanted to) and still these young women don't have a 100% perfect love life. Many women who are stunning-looking get rejected or ignored.

Many of these women are even turned down by men who are leagues below them in terms of looks.

Hell, even I have turned down women who were wayyy too perfect for my taste. Because I didn't want 10000000 guys who are 10000 times taller than I or have a better body than my own, to be hitting on my girlfriend  - if I was to enter a relationship with her.

I met women in college who made my jaw unhige because of how smoking hot they were, and after getting to know them I was told by them about their dating life. Some were 18-22 and had never had a boyfriend yet, with guys only having sex with them and moving on.

Others were incredibly hot and were still virgins at the age of 25, and it's not like they were expecting  that guy from 50 shades of Gray to ask them to marry them.

It's just how it is, lady. Everyone gets rejected. Everyone gets ignored from time to time. Everyone suffers from heartbreak.

Just because you are beautiful doesn't mean a guy oughta fall in love with you. Just because you are beautiful doesn't mean you owe any guy who thinks you are hot sex.  You don't owe anything to anyone, and no one owes ya anything. It's up to you to fight for what you want.  No one gave Floyd Mayweather jr the world champion title, he had to bleed for it.

 

46 minutes ago, Azincourt said:

Dating ain't easy, lady.  Dating has never been easy, but what's a better alternative?

Arranged marriages ?Nah. Believe me. I met a lot of Middle-eastern women who had to live through Sharia law who very vehemently disagree with the whole marriage and relationships system they have over there in Islamic nations.

There's always dissappointments in the dating world. There's always regrets and bitterness to a degree, but if everyone was to become a hermit after getting rejected or putting your gloves down because people ain't throwing themselves at them - Mankind would go extinct?

Being gorgeous isn't a fire-sure way of having a happy romantic life. Ain't  no Prince Charming in life getting his princess just because he's 6'6'' and looks like Brad Pitt. Hell, not even Brad Pitt has a Brad Pittish- Romantic life. He said it himself, ''my love life is a disaster.''

There are women out there who look 10 times better than Selena Gomez(and trust me I'd drag my body over a sea of broken glass to get  a date with her, I'd even pay for it, heck if I was a billionaire I'd be buying her her own island-nation if she wanted to) and still these young women don't have a 100% perfect love life. Many women who are stunning-looking get rejected or ignored.

Many of these women are even turned down by men who are leagues below them in terms of looks.

Hell, even I have turned down women who were wayyy too perfect for my taste. Because I didn't want 10000000 guys who are 10000 times taller than I or have a better body than my own, to be hitting on my girlfriend  - if I was to enter a relationship with her.

I met women in college who made my jaw unhige because of how smoking hot they were, and after getting to know them I was told by them about their dating life. Some were 18-22 and had never had a boyfriend yet, with guys only having sex with them and moving on.

Others were incredibly hot and were still virgins at the age of 25, and it's not like they were expecting  that guy from 50 shades of Gray to ask them to marry them.

It's just how it is, lady. Everyone gets rejected. Everyone gets ignored from time to time. Everyone suffers from heartbreak.

Just because you are beautiful doesn't mean a guy oughta fall in love with you. Just because you are beautiful doesn't mean you owe any guy who thinks you are hot sex.  You don't owe anything to anyone, and no one owes ya anything. It's up to you to fight for what you want.  No one gave Floyd Mayweather jr the world champion title, he had to bleed for it.

thanks I totally feel this to be true I just constantly feel bad when people act like something's wrong that I experience my love life this miserably trying sometimes makes me feel how desperate I feel in reality

[simpycurious]

2 minutes ago, Cookiesandough said:

My mom had me at 40 and I was an accident ish, If you want 15 kids you may want to start now 

By reading some of your posts one things is clear about your statement above.  You were in NO WAY an accident but more likely

a true gift to your Mom. 

[sothereiwas]

14 minutes ago, Azincourt said:

What math? Women can make healthy babies well into their late 30s.

She's 30 and you meet. Date a few years, decide it's working, and marry. She's 32 or 33. You enjoy some time, travel, work to build a stable home, decide to have kids. She's 36. You have a kid, move into the burbs, decide Billy needs a sister. She's 39. Good thing you didn't meet her when she was 35. 

[Azincourt]

10 minutes ago, oppositeage26 said:

 

but that's the thing I think some men don't really know their own attractiveness sometimes you guys think men are attractive who really aren't at all. They're more ugly than anything in reality.

Yes, and there are physically attractive men who don't know yet how attractive they are, or they never figure it out. Do you believe Giacomo Casanova, the most famous lady's man Europe has ever produced was physically hot? Nah, nah. He was no Keanu Reeves pretty boy.

Dude had a big hooked noose,  his face was covered in smallpox scars, he was very Spanish-looking, very dark, when the Dandy look in Europe at the time was skin so white you'd literally poison yourself with mercury to make it as white as Lestat's face in Interview With the Vampire, more.

But he was confident. He had that exuding sexual confidence, and lots of women are attracted to that. Those unattractive men shoot their shot and if they fail they move on and try with another attractive woman. Because it worked for them before.

10 minutes ago, oppositeage26 said:

yeah I have not done that with my options as of yet. I was simply saying that the problems I experience more I feel have to do with the negativity related to being black this is obvious too because when I put that I'm mixed race or middle eastern I get more messages when I put latina I get less when I put black I get even less. So I know this to be true but I tend to ignore it

You know who happened to be my crush when I was a teenager? Aaliyah.  The entire crew for the TLC band.  That black woman from the Spice Girls.  Yes, yes, I'm not a blonde haired blue eyed Anglo-Saxon, but I'm still considered to be white by most people. There are many men who are going to reject you for being black. Or because you are 6 feet tall. Or because you are not 6 feet tall. Or because you are rich. Or because you are middle-class and they want an easy life.   It's not you, lady. It's them. It's the personal preferences every man has. There are many, many men who'd think you are the knees bees, and would love to date you.  Don't be so hard on yourself. You don't deserve it and you're only hurting yourself.

10 minutes ago, oppositeage26 said:

 

 

 

 

usually black men think that that and some white guys it's just when I walk around on fremont looking on the attractive end I get treated like I must be a prostitute they even will stop their cars and try to accost me  

attractive women get accosted all the time, lady. And they get cat-called and indecently proposed by crummy men that aren't worth anything.  Those men are just looking for a way to hurt you, and no woman honestly wants to be a sex worker. What easier way is there to hurt a woman than to call her a prostitute? Yeah, exactly, It's not pretty, and neither  are these men,  neither on the inside or inside.

 

10 minutes ago, oppositeage26 said:

 

 

 

 

My preference is mixed men but they prefer chocolate girls white men pay more me more attention than mixed race men do. But I still don't get approached by them. As far as black men I wasn't raised around them and my dad is ls black man himself so I never had an attraction to them. In vegas also we're encouraged

 

So what? Preferences don't mean anything when you find someone who is just right for you.  My dad's family's real religious. The whole grandma married as a virgin, grandpa only man she ever been with etc. Now my mother had been married and divorced before she met my dad, had a lot of boyfriends, and every guy was claiming ' to have hit that ' when they never did,  so my grandparents really didn't want my dad to marry her. They'd call her terrible names and treat her awfuly, but dad told them to F off, and they did.

I'm very attracted to Middle-Eastern women, but my last girlfriend was Japanese. Things just turned out like that, and so I dated her.

 

10 minutes ago, oppositeage26 said:

 

Well originally I was not interested but then I realized how bad it was getting for me that well for hook ups I just wanted to get some. Not all are racist just some are racist. Some might not be racist but just prefer their own race like the first guy I dated he said he was white to impress me.

So the guy was lacking in the brain-area.  You can do better than that guy. Don't lower your standards just to get a boyfriend, you'll be unhappy with what you get.

 

 

10 minutes ago, oppositeage26 said:

 

 

That's another part of it in clothing I don't look like I have a nice body because I look so skinny. See forgot to mention that I can dress conservatively people don't think I have top heavy unless I'm nude. or low cut. They just think I'm skinny sometimes accused of wearing a push up. etc....

 

One of my ex-girlfriends was 4'10'' and 90lbs. Attractiveness ain't just in someone's body. It's the hair, it's the eyes, it's the lips, it's everything and it can be nothing. It can be the way she makes you laugh, and it can be the way she is, like a ballet dancer moving between the waves of your imagination, becoming real like the soft, red lips touching yours and making you forget about everything.

lmao not gonna lie, that last part is funny. People saying that you wear a push-up bra because skinny women can't have large breasts? Guess they never met my mother. Reminds me of those dudes who'd accuse me of being bald because I always wear a baseball cap. Nah, nah, got a full head of hair so thick not even a need can penetrate it, bro.

[oppositeage26]

17 minutes ago, Azincourt said:

 

Hot women are just women like everyone else. You are not awarded a million dollars tax free for taking an attractive woman home for the night. Your financial problems, your college debt, your health problems, your bank credit ain't gonna clear itself up because someone who has high cheekbones, a slim waist and legs that go for miles spent the night with you.

There are things in life far more important than getting laid or getting in relationships, to be honest, and you life can be easily screwed up because of a condom that ripped, or because that woman looks so good your brain forgets to tell you to put a condom on.

 Because nothing in life is free. I've had attractive  women I had never seen in my life before go up to me and offer me sex, telling me I could do anything I wanted to do with them, to the point of 'you don't have to wear a condom because I want to feel you inside.''

I could do that. And then I would pay for it. By catching HIV or shypillis.  Or I'd  be on the hook for 18 years of child-support, minimum.

No woman is going around offering sex to guys like that unless there's something wrong with her. She's either mentally ill, has serious STDS  she wants to spread, or she wants to take me home to cut off my kidneys and sell them off. I dunno.

 

 

What math? Women can make healthy babies well into their late 30s. I have an aunt who had her last child at the age of 50. The kid is perfect in any way. And there are women who froze their eggs early in life. I'm  not interested in having children but I had various sperm samples frozen when I was 18 because you never know.  Yeah,  I don't think that it's so much as many men don't want marriage, but many men having to put effort now into their marriages with no-fault divorce and all, and lots of guys just want to keep replaying their 20s into their 50's.

In the Netherlands, 70% of first marriages end after 4 to 7 years of marriage. 80% of 2nd marriages end up in divorce after 4 to 7 years, and 90% of third marriages end the same way.  Don't quote me on that. Can't remember if it was the Netherlands or Italy.

yeah I've never been this way just heavily friendly. My thing is I only talk about sex if the guy does but I'm heavily like open to it I'm not reserved because why act like you don't want something you want. I have only been with one guy so it's not that I'm a slut or anything it's just me being straightforward I wouldn't talk to someone I don't want to have sex with. Why be fake about it?

[oppositeage26]

I need to go. Will look at the rest of these posts when I come back

[Azincourt]

9 minutes ago, sothereiwas said:

She's 30 and you meet. Date a few years, decide it's working, and marry. She's 32 or 33. You enjoy some time, travel, work to build a stable home, decide to have kids. She's 36. You have a kid, move into the burbs, decide Billy needs a sister. She's 39. Good thing you didn't meet her when she was 35. 

Women aged 18-30 are still trying to figure out what they want. What a woman wants at 18 isn't the same she wants at 30. Say you meet a woman when she's 18. You date for a few years, decide to get married. You have your first one at the age of 21.

10 years go by and your wife decides she doesn't want this, that she never had the opportunity to enjoy her life, travel the world, meet new cultures, yes, sleep with other men too,  and boom you got a divorce slammed on you.  When I was 17 I had a 35 year old tutor married to a 45 year old man. She met him when she was 15. Married him when she turned 18. never been with another guy. Now they're divorced and the dude's having a rough time.  No one told him to marry a 18 year old, now did ya.

[sothereiwas]

3 minutes ago, Azincourt said:

She's 30 and you meet

 

3 minutes ago, Azincourt said:

Women aged 18-30 are still trying to figure out what they want.

 

Read it again.

 

EDIT:

Select and quote incorrectly attributed the text - sue the developers. 

Edited March 16, 2020 by sothereiwas

[Cookiesandough]

19 minutes ago, simpycurious said:

By reading some of your posts one things is clear about your statement above.  You were in NO WAY an accident but more likely

a true gift to your Mom. 

Aw xx that’s so sweet 🥰Thank you! 

[simpycurious]

2 minutes ago, Cookiesandough said:

Aw xx that’s so sweet 🥰Thank you! 

Sweet maybe but more importantly very TRUE.  I bet if you ask your Mom, she will tell you the same thing. 

[Azincourt]

2 minutes ago, sothereiwas said:

 

 

Read it again.

 

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Yeah, but the fertility argument. Not every 20 year old is as fertile as the river Nile, and not every 30-something has trouble getting pregnant. Life's expensive. Most people are paying off their college debt into their 30s and 40s, a house these days in the states feels more like you're buying a palace for Queen Elisabeth. How many twenty-something men can afford a wife/and kids?

What, a 35 year old man marrying a 20-25 year old?

Sure, sure. Might work, but time goes by, and the guy will be 45 or older and she'll still be young and attractive enough for most men. 

Like, Cristiano Ronaldo is 35 and his girlfriend is 24. But he's 6'2'', handsome, and has a body like a greek god. Plus he has 600 millions in the bank from soccer alone, not to mention his houses, restaurants, hotels etc.

Can the average guy beat that?

[sothereiwas]

1 minute ago, Azincourt said:

Can the average guy beat that?

Average guy just has to beat average, on average.

[Cookiesandough]

She does say that but Honestly I think she was having a lot more fun with my dad before me, more freedoms and less responsibilities, lol 

Edited March 16, 2020 by Cookiesandough

[Azincourt]

Just now, sothereiwas said:

Average guy just has to beat average, on average.

sure, but the average guy is broke, many guys are in their 30s and 40s living with mom and pop or renting a room with 10 other guys in NYC.

  It's not like the average guy is a Harvard graduate with a daddy to help him craft the connections to be making 1 million per year after taxes, and how many young women are going to be with an older average-looking man who ain't got nothing to offer $$$?

I met a lot of average-looking rich Greek men in their 30s and 40s married to early to mid 20s women.  I'm not really seeing this happen were they middle-class.

Now, like I said. If the guy got money he can get himself a younger wife, even when he's much older. I know a guy who is 5'5'', overweight, bald, in his 50s, got yellowed-out teeth, and his wife is 21, 5'10'' 140lbs with most of that weight on her legs, hips, and rear-end, with none on her stomach,  very pretty, and very sweet.

But he makes 4M a year after taxes.  And I know guys who are smoking hot whom women don't want to marry because they are more broke than the Greek economy back in 2008.

[Azincourt]

1 minute ago, Cookiesandough said:

She does say that but Honestly I think she was having a lot more fun with my dad before me, freedoms and less responsibilities, lol 

hahaha. I have a lot of sisters. My mom and dad still love them to bits despite all the worry and drama they made my parents go through growing up. Don't ya worry, your  mom loves you and she will always love you. What you need is to learn from that love, to grow to love yourself. You are worth a lot more than you think yourself to be worth right now, chin up and a smile on that face.

[simpycurious]

Just now, Cookiesandough said:

She does say that but Honestly I think she was having a lot more fun with my dad before me, freedoms and no responsibilities, lol 

I guarantee ya that she wouldn't have it any other way....that fun she was having  is temporary whereas the gift you are to her  is for a lifetime 

Just ask her. 

[sothereiwas]

2 minutes ago, Azincourt said:

sure, but the average guy is broke,

That makes it easier for the rest of us I guess. 

Also, is this really the new average? Because that's pathetic. The young guys I work with are high achieving go-getters who are earning well.