Dating younger men vs older men

[Cookiesandough]

10 minutes ago, Azincourt said:

 

It's not the social status. It's the money. if tomorrow I was to win the euromillions,  to see my bank accounts go up by the hundreds of millions, I would be able to get playboy models, but they wouldn't be attracted to me.  It's the lifestyle that would motivate the playboy bunny to sleep with me, because that's how she'd get access to the money.

Even if I worked say, as a waiter and women knew that, but also knew the state of my (enriched) bank accounts.

I would agree with you it’s not  not the social status if I didn’t see a lot of evidence to the contrary. There  are guys who have more money than him but girls aren’t talking about bill gates etc like “ mmm the things I’d have him do to me” . The social status /clout is a big part of it. Like I said, I’ve been drawn to we’re popular  who did not have THAT much $. Dating someone popular opens  you up to a lot of knew experiences as well. Also a lot od people want him = he’s more desirable = I’m lucky ! Preselection

Edited April 1, 2020 by Cookiesandough

[simpycurious]

1 minute ago, Cookiesandough said:

I would agree with you it’s not  not the social status if I didn’t see a lot of evidence to the contrary. There  are guys who have more money that him but girls aren’t talking about bill gates etc like “ mmm the things I’d have him do to me” . The social status /clout is a big part of it. Like I’ve said I’ve been super drawn to guys with clout who did not have THAT much $. Dating someone popular opens  you up to a lot of knew experiences as well. 

new experiences, new adventures, intrigue combined with allure can do wonders in a budding relationship so MANY guys miss that IMO

welsh corgi???

[preraph]

I inevitably always dated younger. To my knowledge I only went out with two guys who were a little bit older than me. Younger guys always liked me and because of the lifestyle I had that's mainly who I met. I've never been out with any man who was more than 5 years older than me. 

[Azincourt]

4 minutes ago, Cookiesandough said:

I would agree with you it’s not  not the social status if I didn’t see a lot of evidence to the contrary. There  are guys who have more money than him but girls aren’t talking about bill gates etc like “ mmm the things I’d have him do to me” . The social status /clout is a big part of it. Like I’ve said I’ve been super drawn to guys with clout who did not have THAT much $. Dating someone popular opens  you up to a lot of knew experiences as well. Also a lot od people want him = he’s more desirable = I’m lucky ! Preselection

There's always been women who have the hots for musicians. Painters. Poets. Writers. All of that stuff connects emotionally with women, and a woman whos is emotionally charged up can see an otherwise physically unattractive man turn physically attractive in her eyes.

I've never been attracted to someone because of their social status. I am attracted to someone from the get-go, from the very first moment I lay eyes on them, or I'm not.  Yes, I would date, marry etc, a well-paid doctor. Not because of her social status but because of the money she makes. I just as quickly date a hairdresser who inherited a fortune.

But yes, there's lots of women like the way you described.

[basil67]

3 hours ago, CAPSLOCK BANDIT said:

Were equals so whats the difference 😉

Difference is that if a woman asked what men want, I wouldn’t womansplain the answer 😏

[basil67]

11 hours ago, Emilie Jolie said:

A friend of mine has been in a happy relationship with a guy 12 years younger for 4 years. I'm in my 40s. My dating range is no less than 5 years, mainly because I generally don't find 20s to mid 30s men attractive, with the odd outlier. 

That's the paradox of heterosexual life; men age way better than women, women mature way better than men.

Wait till you go to your 30 year HS reunion.  I found that on average, women scrubbed up far better than the men.   Women have the advantage of makeup whereas so many of the guys had seen too much sun.

[Cookiesandough]

3 minutes ago, Azincourt said:

There's always been women who have the hots for musicians. Painters. Poets. Writers. All of that stuff connects emotionally with women, and a woman whos is emotionally charged up can see an otherwise physically unattractive man turn physically attractive in her eyes.

I've never been attracted to someone because of their social status. I am attracted to someone from the get-go, from the very first moment I lay eyes on them, or I'm not.  Yes, I would date, marry etc, a well-paid doctor. Not because of her social status but because of the money she makes. I just as quickly date a hairdresser who inherited a fortune.

But yes, there's lots of women like the way you described.

I’ve  never been attracted to someone solely because of their popularity, but I’m just saying it can and has bolstered appeal to me. I think subconsciously I think that if he is liked by others he has more value. I’m also attracted from the jump, but I don’t know from the get-go if I’d date or sleep with someone because I’ve learned a person can become very unattractive to me depending on personality. . Just by looking at them I can project qualities onto them and be attracted, but it’s unlikely to stay that way. 
 

Also you talk a lot of evolutionary bio type stuff and there’s a concept called preselection I’m sure you’ve heard of. 

[basil67]

5 hours ago, Allupinnit said:

I've always wanted to date men around my own age, same with my friends.  I married a man 5 years older.  We make the same kind of money.  That's how I've seen it play out in real life - people ending up with other regular people in their own league.  You can't compare the average Joe with celebrities you know it's not the same ballgame.

Indeed.  Much being quoted here does not represent the norm.   

[chillii]

17 hours ago, Letschill said:

I'm a middle aged guy in his 40's. I date women of all ages. But I hear complaints from women that they aren't attracted to younger guys. I also Have younger male friends who tellme they have difficulty dating, Ladies, what is the difference in the 2 age groups? You're the ones who decide what you like. 

l'm 50s and get heaps of younger women interested, no idea why, and no l don't look rich , matter of fact l'm often in work clothes and covered in crap when things happen. Just yesterday my gf and l parked and she went over to some shops l waited at the car. 2 chicks sitting on the grass pricked up when l pulled in , and that was with my gf, next minute they completely changed their position both turn around to face me l had the door open it was pretty warm and they started giggling pretty well to me trying to get me talking , l do look a lot younger but they were 1/2 my age. l dunno why, don't care really , l suppose it's nice though. But they're fascinating creatures in the way they tick, however that is haha.

[Azincourt]

9 minutes ago, basil67 said:

Wait till you go to your 30 year HS reunion.  I found that on average, women scrubbed up far better than the men.   Women have the advantage of makeup whereas so many of the guys had seen too much sun.

Advantage of what? the make-up comes out at the end of the day.

 

If I put on shoes with a six inches heel - am I 6'6''?

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l'm 50s and get heaps of younger women interested, no idea why, and no l don't look rich , matter of fact l'm often in work clothes and covered in crap when things happen. Just yesterday my gf and l parked and she went over to some shops l waited at the car. 2 chicks sitting on the grass pricked up when l pulled in , and that was with my gf, next minute they completely changed their position both turn around to face me l had the door open it was pretty warm and they started giggling pretty well to me trying to get me talking , l do look a lot younger but they were 1/2 my age. l dunno why, don't care really , l suppose it's nice though. But they're fascinating creatures in the way they tick, however that is haha.

 

What do you mean interested?

Do they approach you?

Do they make it easy for you to approach them?

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Also you talk a lot of evolutionary bio type stuff and there’s a concept called preselection I’m sure you’ve heard of. 

Yes. A man being wanted by one woman makes it easier for him to be wanted by other women. That's why it pays off to hang out with attractive women. Other attractive women will take notice.

Edited April 1, 2020 by Azincourt

[basil67]

Point is that these women had taken far better care of themselves.  A woman who cares for her skin won’t have the fore mentioned sun damage or the guys.  The women have hair too.   

[Azincourt]

3 minutes ago, basil67 said:

Point is that these women had taken far better care of themselves.  A woman who cares for her skin won’t have the fore mentioned sun damage or the guys.  The women have hair too.   

Women who are part of the baby boomer generation, yes. They take better care of themselves than the men do. I've met a lot of my dad's friends, and the men do look a lot older than their wives, but that's because back then it was manly to smoke 5 packs of cigarettes in 5 minutes, and men spent all day outside without any concern for sunscreen, if it existed that long ago.

Men who belong to my generation take care of their hair, skin, and hair a lot more than the men who sired us.
 

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However, well-kept millennials who are conscious of their busy schedules are trying to maintain a beauty routine by limiting the number of grooming products they use (31%) and investing in multi-purpose products (26%) so they can leave the house as quickly as possible, the report found. 

The news that men are taking their skincare more seriously comes as no surprise, especially as Mintel reported that the number of men visiting spas and salons increased last year.

 

As for the hair situation, either be born to a family without male pattern baldness, or save up money for hair transpants. Or, do what Vin Diesel did. Shave all of the hair in his 20s and then hit the gym HARD.  Lots of women love baldies, as long as they have muscles 💪

[Interstellar]

28 minutes ago, Azincourt said:

There's always been women who have the hots for musicians. Painters. Poets. Writers. All of that stuff connects emotionally with women, and a woman whos is emotionally charged up can see an otherwise physically unattractive man turn physically attractive in her eyes.

 

The thing with musicians, performers or just a guy giving a speech on a subject he knows about is you’re up there on the stage and you have postured position. You’re seen as extremely confident, high social status, etc...Now with painters, poets, and writers which is normally a more introverted type of art is different. When’s the last time you actually heard of a painter groupie, or poets, it’s usually the people up on the stage who gets all the attention. The word groupie is usually attached to rockstars, and musicians. Now, social media has completely changed the landscape. Especially Instagram, I’ve seen some tattoed, skinny dude who’s not much really who “paints” (I don’t think I’ll call him a painter just yet) with pictures taken from a nice digital camera get loads of attention. But he’s also attracting the tattooed, artsy, rockstar social strata. He’s within that social group.

 

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[Cookiesandough]

I feel like from what I have seen makeup aside, men do ‘age’  better. It might have something to do with androgens being associated with more things associated with youth like muscle tone etc men seem to have more as long as those androgens aren’t DHT.  and  also men tend to have stronger bone structure in their face that keeps everything up lol. Usually until a certain age and then it starts to even out ....

7 minutes ago, Interstellar said:

The thing with musicians, performers or just a guy giving a speech on a subject he knows about is you’re up there on the stage and you have postured position. You’re seen as extremely confident, high social status, etc...Now with painters, poets, and writers which is normally a more introverted type of art is different. When’s the last time you actually heard of a painter groupie, or poets, it’s usually the people up on the stage who gets all the attention. The word groupie is usually attached to rockstars, and musicians. Now, social media has completely changed the landscape. Especially Instagram, I’ve seen some tattoed, skinny dude who’s not much really who “paints” (I don’t think I’ll call him a painter just yet) with pictures taken from a nice digital camera get loads of attention. But he’s also attracting the tattooed, artsy, rockstar social strata. 
 

Well it’s not just artist types with clout. I know guys who are also in popular in fields outside of the arts who do better too... like sports.. yes they have more $ , but they also think these guys are sexually attractive . Like Adam driver Or Benedict Cumbersnatch.,.a lot fewer women  would be feening for these borderline unattractive guys if they were socially awkward farmers who were rich from inheriting their grandfathers land 

Edited April 1, 2020 by Cookiesandough

[Azincourt]

12 minutes ago, Interstellar said:

The thing with musicians, performers or just a guy giving a speech on a subject he knows about is you’re up there on the stage and you have postured position.

Yes, it seems that men who play an instrument automatically become more attractive to women. Dunno why. Maybe it's like you said. The level of confidence displayed. One needs to have guts to be able to make a fool of himself, if he's not as talented as he thinks he is, or if the audience doesn't like the music.

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You’re seen as extremely confident, high social status, etc...Now with painters, poets, and writers which is normally a more introverted type of art is different. When’s the last time you actually heard of a painter groupie, or poets, it’s usually the people up on the stage who gets all the attention. The word groupie is usually attached to rockstars, and musicians. Now, social media has completely changed the landscape. Especially Instagram, I’ve seen some tattoed, skinny dude who’s not much really who “paints” (I don’t think I’ll call him a painter just yet) with pictures taken from a nice digital camera get loads of attention. But he’s also attracting the tattooed, artsy, rockstar social strata. He’s within that social group.

 

 

Yes,  that's how I feel men who aren't physically attractive like Danny Devito, that guy from the Game of Thrones, Peter Dinklage and others, like James Dean, who was deemed by the movie directors to be too short to be a movie star(he was also missing 4 molars and his front teeth were fake) but managed to convince the filmakers to give them a chance, and when they got it, they made use of their charm and self-confidence to become global stars.

Pamela Anderson got married to a skinny, heavily tatooe'd Tommy Lee, when she could've gotten hotter, more built, richer men easily. Guess there's something to the bad boy rock musician.

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I feel like from what I have seen makeup aside, men do ‘age’  better. It might have something to do with androgens being associated with more things associated with youth like muscle tone etc men seem to have more as long as those androgens aren’t DHT.  and  also men tend to have stronger bone structure in their face that keeps everything up lol. Usually until a certain age and then it starts to even out ....

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Dunno, maybe it's the difference in levels of testosterone. Maybe the men who age better are the men who've had a baby face all of their lives, and suddenly they grow into ''manly'' men, with their faces developing a square jawline, a strong chin, high cheekbones etc, and now he's considered to be aging well.

Adam Sandler is like 6'4'' and he's wide as the borders of Russia. Lots of women find that hot in a man.

Edited April 1, 2020 by Azincourt

[simpycurious]

42 minutes ago, Azincourt said:

There's always been women who have the hots for musicians. Painters. Poets. Writers. All of that stuff connects emotionally with women, and a woman whos is emotionally charged up can see an otherwise physically unattractive man turn physically attractive in her eyes.

I've never been attracted to someone because of their social status. I am attracted to someone from the get-go, from the very first moment I lay eyes on them, or I'm not.  Yes, I would date, marry etc, a well-paid doctor. Not because of her social status but because of the money she makes. I just as quickly date a hairdresser who inherited a fortune.

But yes, there's lots of women like the way you described.

Don't forget about the ELITE athletes in your list Azin.  I am not sure I have ever been attracted to a woman due to HER social status or wealth.   But candidly I do have a type like most people do or a range might be a better way to put it.  One thing that I read a lot in these threads is that money somehow makes MEN jerks a lot of times.  I just don't believe that at all.  I think you can be very well off and still be down to earth, kind to people, and have good values. 

[simpycurious]

47 minutes ago, preraph said:

I inevitably always dated younger. To my knowledge I only went out with two guys who were a little bit older than me. Younger guys always liked me and because of the lifestyle I had that's mainly who I met. I've never been out with any man who was more than 5 years older than me. 

Preraph, why are you bragging again??? Tell us about this so called "lifestyle" that you referenced

[preraph]

Oh I don't really consider going out with younger guys something to brag about. It's just how it ended up being. The guys are really cared about were within 5 years of my own age.

[Azincourt]

9 minutes ago, simpycurious said:

Don't forget about the ELITE athletes in your list Azin.  I am not sure I have ever been attracted to a woman due to HER social status or wealth.   But candidly I do have a type like most people do or a range might be a better way to put it.  One thing that I read a lot in these threads is that money somehow makes MEN jerks a lot of times.  I just don't believe that at all.  I think you can be very well off and still be down to earth, kind to people, and have good values. 

The elite atheletes date and marry the super models that they get with, not because of their social status, but because of their money. The vast majority of men who play sports as a profession don't really make that much money, and an athelete's career is very short, and can be easily made shorter by sufeffering severe injuries that either take him out of the game permanently, or keep him on the sidelines for a very long time.

Check out the wives of the world champion, German's national soccer team. They're so attractive, and they take very good care of themselves. Now check out the wives of the players of the worst qualified team in any league.

It's not that money makes men jerks and womanizers, it's that money, lots and lots of money, gives men many options, and many people don't like that.

Myself included 🤣

Nothing bruises your ego more than being dumped by a man whose main appeal as a romantic partner is his money. I'll always be bitter about that.

I can't really blame women for doing what they do. Life's hard and expensive and these fellas can make it easier.

Edited April 1, 2020 by Azincourt

[Cookiesandough]

13 minutes ago, Azincourt said:

The elite atheletes date and marry the super models that they get with, not because of their social status, but because of their money. The vast majority of men who play sports as a profession don't really make that much money, and an athelete's career is very short, and can be easily made shorter by sufeffering severe injuries that either take him out of the game permanently, or keep him on the sidelines for a very long time.

Check out the wives of the world champion, German's national soccer team. They're so attractive, and they take very good care of themselves. Now check out the wives of the players of the worst qualified team in any league.

It's not that money makes men jerks and womanizers, it's that money, lots and lots of money, gives men many options, and many people don't like that.

Myself included 🤣

Nothing bruises your ego more than being dumped by a man whose main appeal as a romantic partner is his money. I'll always be bitter about that.

I don’t know if you know any of those “failed” or non-pro atheletes.. but generally they are pretty well built and don’t have much trouble with girls. Like the college or high school atheletes have no money but get the cheerleader ?

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[Azincourt]

2 minutes ago, Cookiesandough said:

I don’t know if you know any of those “failed” or non-pro atheletes.. but generally they are pretty well built and don’t have much trouble with girls. Like the college or high school atheletes have no money but get the cheerleader ?

Personally, gimme a Hayek or  Wittgenstein  over a rocker or athelete any day 

I was talking mostly about soccer players, sorry didn't make it clear.They're skinny. Cristiano Ronaldo is the exception.

[Emilie Jolie]

24 minutes ago, basil67 said:

Wait till you go to your 30 year HS reunion.  I found that on average, women scrubbed up far better than the men.   Women have the advantage of makeup whereas so many of the guys had seen too much sun.

Haha true.

Still, it's the over 35 crowd for me any day. I can look at younger men and find them good to look at, but  lacking a little something if you know what I mean. I can't quite put my finger on it. Is it experience? Some wisdom? The grey hair (when they still have it)? they're more patient? Their taste in music? Their worldview?

Or I'm totally projecting; the SO is a little older than I am and quite the silver fox. But balding. In his head he's Richard Gere though, bless him.

[Azincourt]

3 minutes ago, Emilie Jolie said:

Haha true.

Still, it's the over 35 crowd for me any day. I can look at younger men and find them good to look at, but  lacking a little something if you know what I mean. I can't quite put my finger on it. Is it experience? Some wisdom? The grey hair (when they still have it)? they're more patient? Their taste in music? Their worldview?

Or I'm totally projecting; the SO is a little older than I am and quite the silver fox. But balding. In his head he's Richard Gere though, bless him.

It's because women in general can't take a younger man seriously. A younger man is fun for a fling, but for a serious relationship the older man is usually the guy she gets with, although I'll never understand what Celine Dion or Shania Twain saw in the men they married, considering they're old enough to be their dad.  Social status I guess.

 

[simpycurious]

8 minutes ago, Cookiesandough said:

I don’t know if you know any of those “failed” or non-pro atheletes.. but generally they are pretty well built and don’t have much trouble with girls. Like the college or high school atheletes have no money but get the cheerleader ?

Personally, gimme a Hayek or  Wittgenstein  over a rocker or athelete any day 

Cookie,

Does a BRIGHT, philosopher, who is also athletic peak your interest?  Even if he likes Post Malone tunes?

 

[Emilie Jolie]

2 minutes ago, Azincourt said:

It's because women in general can't take a younger man seriously. A younger man is fun for a fling, but for a serious relationship the older man is usually the guy she gets with, although I'll never understand what Celine Dion or Shania Twain saw in the men they married, considering they're old enough to be their dad.  Social status I guess.

 

You don't half like your generalisations, do you...🤪