Ignoring health officials

[pepperbird]

If I'm taking the latest stats found on this site as true, there is a vast difference in the rates of covid-19 all over the world. 

In some developing countries, it's still quite low, while in more developed nations like the UK, Canada and the USA, they are much higher. I keep seeing people blaming the powers that be in their country for not handling the situation better, but I'm also seeing a lot of people who are refusing to follow the advice of health/infectious disease professionals.

So far, most of our cases (at least in my province) and travel related or in people who caught it from a traveller-the "post march break bump" we were warned about, I guess. I don't understand why people, even knowing what was going on, chose to travel. Even if our government hadn't told them not to or if they thought the response was overblown, surely they could have seen what was coming and stayed at home?

[Gaeta]

It's low in developping countries as they don't have the equipment and manpower to test people. 

Remember that first infected cruiseship by Japan? that was on the news beginning of February and even if we witnessed live the poor treatment they had in Japan, and witnessed live their family crying on tv and radio each and every day begging the government to bring them back.....STILL 100s of people boarded cruiseships in March!! Now we have 77 Canadians stuck out at see in April !. I would really like to read in these people's mind!

I know the older generations hate being told what they should do,  people my parents age (70-80) are big delinquants. Old folks homes have to put security all around their buildings to keep people from sneaking out. 

In my Province things are getting serious. It's not only travelers now, we have a lot of community transmission. Montreal's mayor had to lock down portion of the city. The Hasidic Jewish community refused till a couple of days ago to isolate themselves and contaminated 100s of people with weddings and such. 

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[Ellener]

Nothing would get me to take a cruise after that norovirus d & v outbreak on one a few years ago where all the plumbing broke...

I don't think anyone should witch-hunt or point fingers though, just calmly deal with where they're at and learn from it- stay home for now, or stay 6 feet+ from anyone else when out of the home. Don't touch stuff and if you do- wash your hands next.

 

 

[Ellener]

I've been followng the figures here https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/

In the US we are at the crux of the outbreak right now with almost 5000 critical cases across the country today and 207 000 recorded cases.

https://www.aha.org/statistics/fast-facts-us-hospitals is this year's recorded stats on hospital beds and facilities across America from the American Hospital Association.

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[gaius]

I don't think the CDC even issued a travel advisory for cruise ships until about 2 weeks ago. Most of the health officials have been advocating to not restrict travel and to not even quarantine those returning from infected areas.

So in essence, the people out on the cruise ships right now did listen to health officials.

[amaysngrace]

While we’re at it, how about if none of us ever got vaccinated for ANYTHING like we’re advised to do by health officials?

this s*** would be always 

[amaysngrace]

1 hour ago, pepperbird said:

Even if our government hadn't told them not to or if they thought the response was overblown, surely they could have seen what was coming and stayed at home?

Because people are selfish.  And entitled.  

There’s no other explanation.  

The worst part is these same people will be the first ones lining up to see a healthcare professional after they’ve put them all at risk all along. 

[Ellener]

1 hour ago, amaysngrace said:

There’s no other explanation.  

There are lots of reasons why people make their choices, and even if other people make choices I don't agree with that's all part of living in a free society.

The government of most places has taken over some of those choices for now as a universal safeguard. 

The situation is unprecedented. But we'll get through it, I have every faith in humanity despite any evidence to the contrary! 🙂

[amaysngrace]

2 minutes ago, Ellener said:

I have every faith in humanity despite any evidence to the contrary! 🙂

Good for you.  I’m in a “people suck” kind of mood.

My little girl is doing three shifts this weekend at her hospital.  I’m a little worried about her, not gonna lie.

[simpycurious]

1 hour ago, amaysngrace said:

Good for you.  I’m in a “people suck” kind of mood.

My little girl is doing three shifts this weekend at her hospital.  I’m a little worried about her, not gonna lie.

Amaysngrace, I hope she is very cautious.  I would agree that in certain areas, it seems life is FAIRLY normal.  Other than eateries being shut down, gym's closed, hair places, it seems

life is not that far off IN SOME PLACES.  I would not want to be in a highly dense urban area like many of the large cities.  Being away from that near the water does lend 

itself to making you feel SOMEWHAT safer.  I do worry about my family and all the courageous health professionals.

[amaysngrace]

Thanks Simpy.  She works in the next county up from where we live where the numbers have been rising sharply.  

I have to do my very best to keep upbeat, not express my concern because she’s being great, she’s doesn’t appear to be very worried so far be it from me to instill fear in her.

But the truth is I am scared.  

[Foxhall]

3 hours ago, Gaeta said:

I know the older generations hate being told what they should do,  people my parents age (70-80) are big delinquants. Old folks homes have to put security all around their buildings to keep people from sneaking out. 

this is an interesting one,

in my country - the notion of "cocooning" (keeping a person strictly in their houses) is in operation for all over 70s,

my Uncle was promptly told he must go home when seen out in a grocery store,

Personally I think its a little extreme, a lot of this demographic are very active, although they appear to be complying ok thus far.

[simpycurious]

3 hours ago, amaysngrace said:

Thanks Simpy.  She works in the next county up from where we live where the numbers have been rising sharply.  

I have to do my very best to keep upbeat, not express my concern because she’s being great, she’s doesn’t appear to be very worried so far be it from me to instill fear in her.

But the truth is I am scared.  

You are so welcome Amaysngrace. 

[CAPSLOCK BANDIT]

I went to walmart, they set up this huge walk way that runs all across the side of the building, people are all standing single file like a foot apart from each other as the employees sanitize the customers hands when they walk in, one of the dumbest things ive ever saw in my whole life, I just drove right by and went to safeway

Edited April 2, 2020 by CAPSLOCK BANDIT

[Ellener]

8 hours ago, amaysngrace said:

I’m a little worried about her, not gonna lie.

I'm sure you are. ((((((((((((((((((( )))))))))))))))))))))))

[schlumpy]

People are right to doubt public officials regardless of their position because the decisions they make or the things they ask us to do are always flavored with politics.

I have yet to figure out what political dynamic is behind the Corona Virus scare. The only excuse that holds water is protecting the hospitals from over capacity. I don't buy the notion that these edicts are primarily to save human life. If that were true we would be doing the same thing for the flu each year which killed upwards of 50,000 thousand in 2019. Some may point out that there is a flu vaccine but because of the virus's ability to mutate the yearly vaccine's effectiveness can be as low as twenty percent as it was just two years ago. Not much protection at all except perhaps psychological.

They have lied and exaggerated about these events in the past such as HIV and now they pay the price for shouting wolf or to be more exact - we pay the price.

[ElKay]

It's simple.... People can be extremely ignorant and feel like life's problems won't affect them. Heck, I'm on a fdw dating sites and a few of the guys on there wanted us to meet regardless of the increased measures for self isolation in our city. Makes me hate people more every day... 🙄

 

Edit: My bestfriend's family caught the coronavirus from her father's colleague.... and it's not just a flu. Her father especially has been struggling for almost two weeks now with an awful fever and difficulties breathing.

 

Mind you, it's 10 times more deadly than a flu (1% instead of 0.1%), so the flu death numbers would need to be multiplied by 10. If the healthcare system is overburdened like in Italy,  that mortality rate goes up.

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[Gaeta]

8 hours ago, schlumpy said:

I have yet to figure out what political dynamic is behind the Corona Virus scare.

When is the last time you saw New York carry its flu-calsulties out of hospitals in Freezer-vans? 

The flu death numbers for 2018-2019 is 34,200 for the US. Your country estimates Covid-19 deaths will be between 100K to 200K. No it's not 'just a flu'. 

[Cookiesandough]

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[Cookiesandough]

9 hours ago, schlumpy said:

People are right to doubt public officials regardless of their position because the decisions they make or the things they ask us to do are always flavored with politics.

I have yet to figure out what political dynamic is behind the Corona Virus scare. The only excuse that holds water is protecting the hospitals from over capacity. I don't buy the notion that these edicts are primarily to save human life. If that were true we would be doing the same thing for the flu each year which killed upwards of 50,000 thousand in 2019. Some may point out that there is a flu vaccine but because of the virus's ability to mutate the yearly vaccine's effectiveness can be as low as twenty percent as it was just two years ago. Not much protection at all except perhaps psychological.

They have lied and exaggerated about these events in the past such as HIV and now they pay the price for shouting wolf or to be more exact - we pay the price.

 

[elaine567]

10 hours ago, schlumpy said:

They have lied and exaggerated about these events in the past such as HIV

HIV is "OK" now, we have "tamed" it in the West but it took decades.
When it first showed up, young men died and were given death sentences in their droves. 
BUT
 Even In 2018, around 770 000 [570 000–1.1 million] people died from AIDS-related illnesses worldwide,

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[Cookiesandough]

Oops I did not say that, I was quoting schump but forgot to write in what I was going to write

“Interesting. I would also think there was a political agenda behind it if I didn’t understand our tendency toward selective attention all on our own ” 

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[NuevoYorko]

5 minutes ago, Cookiesandough said:

Maybe bc health officials don’t know wtf they are talking about half the time? Was told “masks Wont prevent, might make it worse”for the first 1/2 of this,  despite all common sense saying the opposite 

The health officials are not the ones to blame.  Ones you see on TV or on your social media do not reflect the general population of health experts.  Anyone who wants to get more in depth information than a sound bite or tweet certainly can, if they have a computer.

What we have been missing is any cohesive plan for the whole country (USA).  States or even counties going it  on their own is problematic.  As there is no consistent protocol for travel, handling businesses that are permitted to be open (for example,  Walmarts around here are doing nothing; no cleaning wipes for the carts, no required distancing in the checkout lines, etc.,  while other stores are observant to the letter) we are all at the mercy of whatever other states / communities / businesses are doing because of the ease with which this virus is spreading among populations.

[elaine567]

Fixed it. Cookie.🙂

Edited April 2, 2020 by elaine567

[pepperbird]

45 minutes ago, elaine567 said:

HIV is "OK" now, we have "tamed" it in the West but it took decades.
When it first showed up, young men died and were given death sentences in their droves. 
BUT
 Even In 2018, around 770 000 [570 000–1.1 million] people died from AIDS-related illnesses worldwide,

In their effort to cheat death, people forget that it's always walking with us.
Last year, more than 50,000 people, mostly kids, died from rabies. Many in area where the disease is pretty much eradicated in the human population are often surpised to see how "old" diseases are still out there killing many people.