Ignoring health officials

[schlumpy]

2 hours ago, Gaeta said:

When is the last time you saw New York carry its flu-calsulties out of hospitals in Freezer-vans? 

The flu death numbers for 2018-2019 is 34,200 for the US. Your country estimates Covid-19 deaths will be between 100K to 200K. No it's not 'just a flu'. 

The question for New York that has yet to be asked by our erstwhile reporters is: Why was New York so poorly prepared?

https://www.cdc.gov/flu/about/burden/preliminary-in-season-estimates.htm

 

[Gaeta]

41 minutes ago, schlumpy said:

The question for New York that has yet to be asked by our erstwhile reporters is: Why was New York so poorly prepared?

 

Well, the first thing that comes to my mind is your President completely dismissing it for a very long time. No city was prepared in the US. 

[elaine567]

44 minutes ago, schlumpy said:

Why was New York so poorly prepared?

Short term -ism.
No-one plans for the future. New York is not alone
Everything is about the here and now and how everything can be pared to the bone to save money and maximise profit.
No-one wants to waste a dollar on preparing for something in the future if they can get away with it.

[nittygritty]

2 hours ago, Gaeta said:

Well, the first thing that comes to my mind is your President completely dismissing it for a very long time. No city was prepared in the US. 

Didn’t Trudeau’s wife, Boris Johnson and Prince Charles all test positive for coranavirus? Or do you think that is President Trump’s fault too? A few US cities weren’t prepared for it like New York City but the majority of US cities were as ready as they could be for a virus. Many hospitals are actually having to lay employees off due to the restrictions placed on elective surgeries and procedures. 

Edited April 2, 2020 by nittygritty

[Gaeta]

3 hours ago, nittygritty said:

Didn’t Trudeau’s wife, Boris Johnson and Prince Charles all test positive for coranavirus? Or do you think that is President Trump’s fault too? 

I have no clue what that has to do with anything.

Yes I think the Americans will suffer a great deal because of Trump. Because he didn't take any of this seriously untill he was hit in the face with it, and also because he chose to put money in unemployment instead of businesses so they could keep their employees on the payroll which would have allowed workers to keep their health insurance, he started grooming Americans to think 100K to 200K death isn't bad, anyway don't get me going. 

3 hours ago, nittygritty said:

A few US cities weren’t prepared for it like New York City but the majority of US cities were as ready as they could be for a virus. Many hospitals are actually having to lay employees off due to the restrictions placed on elective surgeries and procedures. 

No cities are prepared to be hit the way NY is being hit. 

[nittygritty]

California has only had 216 coronavirus related deaths compared to New York having 2,373 so maybe that’s a good indication that warmer weather temperatures really do slow down the spread of the virus. 

[SincereOnlineGuy]

53 minutes ago, nittygritty said:

California has only had 216 coronavirus related deaths compared to New York having 2,373 so maybe that’s a good indication that warmer weather temperatures really do slow down the spread of the virus. 

 

Yeah, and California has more people and more AIR ...   (for the clueless who think Covid is "airborne" )

 

[Juha]

You can't trust the numbers, especially deaths.  In many countries, especially Italy they are counting anyone dying with multiple issues as a Covid 19 death

knowing or not knowing if they have it or not.  Many doctors and health people have said this from Italy.

Would not be surprised this is happening in many countries, even ours.

 

Also the amount of testing coincides with how many confirmed cases there are.  Also many people have it or have had it and never knew/know they had it.

They are not counted.  

 

If you believe the numbers China is floating out there, I have a bridge to sell you. 

They have lied through their teeth about the number of people who had/have it.  They have no idea, stopped testing.

If you really think China has only have had 81,000 cases and 3.300 deaths.  Those numbers are laughable

You should times them by 10 or more.

 

Lots of disingenuous information out there and lots of facts not being told or reported.

Not trying to downplay this but think it is being a little over blown and hyped by the media and others.

 

Hope everyone is staying safe and healthy

[Juha]

In situations like this it is impossible to know true amount of infected, amount of deaths from Covid 19, and an accurate death rate when no numbers are actual or true.

 

For so called experts to go on tv and say their model is predicting 1 million deaths, 2.2 million deaths, no 700,000 deaths.  is irrational and completely unprofessional.

They are throwing darts but causing hysteria among the public who are easily scared. There is no way for them to come up with any kind of prediction.

It seems like each expert tries to outdo the other so they can get their 15 minutes of fame.

 

 

[amaysngrace]

2 hours ago, nittygritty said:

California has only had 216 coronavirus related deaths compared to New York having 2,373 so maybe that’s a good indication that warmer weather temperatures really do slow down the spread of the virus. 

I hope you’re onto something there with our temps beginning to rise.  I also read that high humidity weakens the virus too.  I’ll take bad hair days over this thing anytime. 

[NuevoYorko]

3 hours ago, nittygritty said:

California has only had 216 coronavirus related deaths compared to New York having 2,373 so maybe that’s a good indication that warmer weather temperatures really do slow down the spread of the virus. 

Not really.  California is on a different trajectory of the "curve," and your governor took heed of what was happening in Italy and New York, and acted aggressively.  

Each state is projected to peak at different times.  Alabama, for example, has 32 corona related deaths today.  They are projected to peak in 18 days and have 330 deaths on that day; ultimately 5516 Alabamans to die by August 4.  Slow start in Alabama but extremely steep curve with zero "flattening" effect.  Florida has 144 deaths so far but is projected to have 6897 by August.   It's hot in Alabama and Florida.

States in the Pacific NW, where it's typically not hot, have much smaller projected fatalities.

The stats are only projections, but they are likely to be reasonably worthwhile to consider.

[Redhead14]

8 hours ago, amaysngrace said:

I hope you’re onto something there with our temps beginning to rise.  I also read that high humidity weakens the virus too.  I’ll take bad hair days over this thing anytime. 

Supposedly, it does weaken it, but does not eliminate it.  They don't know yet if it will re-surge when the seasonal conditions are ripe for it like the regular flu.  Are we going to go through this again come winter??  I don't know how we/the world could survive another round or rounds like this economically, socially and mentally and emotionally. 

[nittygritty]

12 hours ago, Gaeta said:

Yes I think the Americans will suffer a great deal because of Trump. Because he didn't take any of this seriously untill he was hit in the face with it, and also because he chose to put money in unemployment instead of businesses so they could keep their employees on the payroll which would have allowed workers to keep their health insurance, he started grooming Americans to think 100K to 200K death isn't bad, anyway don't get me going. 

Non essential businesses have been closed since March 17th where I live because of the recommendations of the Trump Administration and the CDC. Every State and local government received the same information and many chose not to do anything. Congress wrote the recovery bill not President Trump. Even though many businesses are closed with no income coming in, they still have to pay for their employees health insurance coverage. President Trump did not groom Americans to think “100K to 200K death isn’t bad”.  I don’t know where you are getting your information but it is wrong. 

[Gaeta]

7 minutes ago, nittygritty said:

  I don’t know where you are getting your information but it is wrong. 

I watch and read news from different sources in Canada and Europe. I stay away from Fox and CNN, I know American networks have political agendas, CNN is Democrate and Fox is Republicans. I stay away from all that. I listen to Scientists and politic specialists who have a neutral view on the US as they are viewing things from the outside and they see the statistics. 

Edited April 3, 2020 by Gaeta

[schlumpy]

Has anyone heard the report that Sweden did not close their schools and shopping malls? 

[Beendaredonedat]

17 hours ago, nittygritty said:

California has only had 216 coronavirus related deaths compared to New York having 2,373 so maybe that’s a good indication that warmer weather temperatures really do slow down the spread of the virus. 

well, it summer in Australia so I don't think a warmer climate will do a thing to slow it down.  Not to mention Florida and... People like your errant Governor in Florida who allows beaches to become petri dishes isn't going to slow down the spread.

 

[Gaeta]

13 minutes ago, schlumpy said:

Has anyone heard the report that Sweden did not close their schools and shopping malls? 

They are taking a huge gamble. They are a small population of 10 million and close to 300 death so far. Doctors and scientists do not support Sweden government lack of action. 

[mark clemson]

On 4/2/2020 at 12:03 PM, elaine567 said:

No-one wants to waste a dollar on preparing for something in the future if they can get away with it.

 

Just wait 'til the next Carrington Event (look it up if you're not familiar). Our current "crisis" will seem like a Sunday school party in comparison, mark my words.

Oh wait, that's the future's problem. Nevermind...

Also you will likely be too dead to remember my words if/when that happens (or soon afterwards).

C'est la vie.

[Ellener]

1 hour ago, mark clemson said:

Just wait 'til the next Carrington Event

Well you're feeling cheerful today! 😆

But yes, it would be rather different for us in so many countries to be dealing with this situation without tv/cellphones/internet etc 

The BBC did a piece last week about 'what if this happened in 2005' concludiing

'There has been much concern in recent years about what smartphones and social media are doing to our way of life. We are told that online friends are not real friends, that there is no substitute for face-to-face contact, and that staring at screens all day is bad for our health.

But we may emerge from this crisis with a new appreciation for these technology tools, which can be extremely useful - and even life-saving - if used wisely.'

 

 

[mark clemson]

15 minutes ago, Ellener said:

Well you're feeling cheerful today! 😆

Don't worry,  my "healthy cynicism" is far too deeply ingrained to let a little thing like all our hospitals not being remotely prepared to keep their staff safe during a worldwide pandemic bother me too much. Thank you for your heartfelt concern, though! With all that's going on, my personal emotional state is of paramount importance these days!  🙂😉🤪

[Ellener]

1 hour ago, mark clemson said:

With all that's going on, my personal emotional state is of paramount importance these days!

of course, your humour may make the difference of life or death survival to someone 😉 Probably me!

[nittygritty]

1 hour ago, Beendaredonedat said:

well, it summer in Australia so I don't think a warmer climate will do a thing to slow it down.  Not to mention Florida and... People like your errant Governor in Florida who allows beaches to become petri dishes isn't going to slow down the spread.

 

We have had some 80 and 90 degree weather recently where I live. Typically flu season begins in October and tapers off in April as the weather becomes warmer. There are still many unknowns about covid-19 but I am hopeful that warmer weather temperatures will slow the spread of it. The race is on for medications to treat it and a vaccine. The last statistics I read said that 97 percent that get it survive. Not sure how accurate that is or not but either way most people are doing the best they can to not get it or spread it. 

[Beendaredonedat]

We can hope!

[mark clemson]

On 4/2/2020 at 11:10 AM, schlumpy said:

The question for New York that has yet to be asked by our erstwhile reporters is: Why was New York so poorly prepared?

https://www.cdc.gov/flu/about/burden/preliminary-in-season-estimates.htm

My vote would be incompetence, BTW.

[Eternal Sunshine]

I definitely think that warmer weather has something to do with it. We are coming out of summer in Australia and there are only 28 corona deaths so far (mortality is around 0.5%).

I am dreading the winter..

Edited April 3, 2020 by Eternal Sunshine