Gaeta Posted April 15, 2020 Share Posted April 15, 2020 10 minutes ago, Juha said: They get money from the federal government from every Covid 19 death. Who's 'they' that are getting money? How much? why? what is your reference? Link to post Share on other sites
Author nospam99 Posted April 16, 2020 Author Share Posted April 16, 2020 I can't post links. But there is a piece on the New York Post's web site, timestamped 7:34pm, yesterday where Trump has 'accused' DeBlasio 'finding' 3700+ previously non-covid-19 deaths on Tuesday. Not that I consider Trump to be an 'icon of information' or a 'disinterested politician'. He's clearly trying to score PR points. But in this case, I was there first both with respect to the exploit in the CDC's COVID-19 Alert No. 2 and the first report of DeBlasio's 'enhanced' reporting on Tuesday. Link to post Share on other sites
elaine567 Posted April 16, 2020 Share Posted April 16, 2020 1 minute ago, nospam99 said: I can't post links. Why not? Links need looked at by a moderator, before they go live. but there is usually no issue. Link to post Share on other sites
Ellener Posted April 16, 2020 Share Posted April 16, 2020 It's in rather bad taste right now to accuse anyone of fabricating deaths @nospam99 New York is having a tough time, 35 % of the nation's deaths so far are in that city. The figures were adjusted to reflect people suspected of dying from the virus but who didn’t have a test, including people who died at home, in nursing homes and hospitals. Previously health officials have been criticised for not including those people and under-reporting. 1 Link to post Share on other sites
Redhead14 Posted April 16, 2020 Share Posted April 16, 2020 2 minutes ago, nospam99 said: I can't post links. But there is a piece on the New York Post's web site, timestamped 7:34pm, yesterday where Trump has 'accused' DeBlasio 'finding' 3700+ previously non-covid-19 deaths on Tuesday. Not that I consider Trump to be an 'icon of information' or a 'disinterested politician'. He's clearly trying to score PR points. But in this case, I was there first both with respect to the exploit in the CDC's COVID-19 Alert No. 2 and the first report of DeBlasio's 'enhanced' reporting on Tuesday. Frankly, I think there are many more deaths that are a result of COVID that have not been counted (yet) because of deaths that are happening in homes and people aren't being tested. There is likely a lag time in reporting and collecting information for sure. Just as there are/were many more in China and Italy than we know about. It is no surprise to me that the numbers change. 1 Link to post Share on other sites
Author nospam99 Posted April 16, 2020 Author Share Posted April 16, 2020 @elaine. I run with javascript disabled. I was posting links but I received a 'friendly reminder' instructing me to make those links clickable. When I attempted to make them clickable, my browser crashed and lost dozens of tabs of saved sessions. I have yet to embark on the 'many' (dozens?) of hours it will take me to restore those tabs from a manual search of the thousands of records in the browser's History. I'm not going to activate javascript. And I'm not going to risk another crash. Instead I'll stop posting links, but provide enough information for a reader to find a referenced web resource without 'too much' searching. Link to post Share on other sites
elaine567 Posted April 16, 2020 Share Posted April 16, 2020 In the UK the ONS figures are now being presented. Official death rates are usually hospital deaths only (Though France also counts these out of hospital death rates in their official figures.) Deaths in UK nursing homes, hospices, at home and in other places from Covid-19 make for grim reading. 1 Link to post Share on other sites
Author nospam99 Posted April 16, 2020 Author Share Posted April 16, 2020 @ellener. I am not accusing anyone of 'fabricating' deaths. I am accusing a politician with a known history of corruption (using hatred of his city's police to get elected and taking criminals' sides in disputes with the police) of reclassifying the Causes of Death for half of the now reported covid-19 deaths in his city without due diligence or documentation. I would be shocked if, were there even any review by licensed physicians, that review was not done by physicians on DeBlasio's (or Cuomo's) staff and under their orders. I have worked for the civil service of the state of New York (not the city) and know that state employees are expected to produce the 'data' 'required' at the risk of retaining their jobs. The CDC Alert gives sufficient flexibility to produce this data without substantiation. 1 Link to post Share on other sites
Ellener Posted April 16, 2020 Share Posted April 16, 2020 I think you extrapolate way too much from your own negative work experiences @nospam99 but your hatred of New York politicins was also seen following Katrina in New Orleans, and like there if politicians are doing corrupt things then it will all see the light of day later. The priority right now in New York is crisis management and medical care. 1 Link to post Share on other sites
preraph Posted April 16, 2020 Share Posted April 16, 2020 We all just have to accept that we are dealing with a sudden unknown situation and to an extent flying by the seat of our pants. I just got mad at one of my best friends yesterday for saying it's Trump's fault 26,000 people have died. Likewise, you just can't blame people if they make any mistakes during this thing. I happen to sympathize with NoSpam's view of NY politicians, who set a terrible example, but it's not the time to be casting stones. These are terrible times for leaders to have to deal with. It's all over their heads. The one thing I get mad at them for and will hold them accountable for is holding bills up during this by trying to coerce the other side to include nonrelated pet issues of theirs in a bill that has nothing to do with that and is meanwhile destroying more people while we wait for them. And of course, that's going on right now. Link to post Share on other sites
Piddy Posted April 16, 2020 Share Posted April 16, 2020 (edited) 8 hours ago, Redhead14 said: Frankly, I think there are many more deaths that are a result of COVID that have not been counted (yet) because of deaths that are happening in homes and people aren't being tested. There is likely a lag time in reporting and collecting information for sure. Just as there are/were many more in China and Italy than we know about. It is no surprise to me that the numbers change. Yes. Consider less than 1% of people in the U.S. population have been tested. Also, testing is the key to getting somewhere back to normal. Although realistically that won't happen until there's a vaccine and that is a year to 18 months away. Edited April 16, 2020 by Piddy Link to post Share on other sites
Ellener Posted April 16, 2020 Share Posted April 16, 2020 1 hour ago, Piddy said: testing is the key to getting somewhere back to normal. What's happening on the extra tests? Still a US shortage? Link to post Share on other sites
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