I live with my parents and they don't want me to work until the corona virus is over.

[ironpony]

But we're all going to get it anyway, cause the numbers are growing bigger and bigger.  No hospitals can save us.

[Minneloa]

4 minutes ago, ironpony said:

Or maybe you can I am just being too pessimistic about it, it's just I find it really puzzling how everyone can treat this as such a curse, but then have so much hope that such a curse will just blow over.

My understanding is that the virus itself, while highly contagious, is not uniformly lethal; however, it is very threatening to elderly folks and those with underlying health conditions. So a serious danger is that if the virus spreads too quickly, our healthcare systems won’t be able to care for all of the sick and, as in Italy, agonizing decisions will have to be made about who lives and who dies. Since many countries have missed the window of containment, they are now focusing on what I mentioned above, which is slowing the spread so that the cases won’t overwhelm hospitals.

[ironpony]

But won't the virus eventually get us all sick anyway?  Is it worth buying time, when it's inevitable, especially if the economy goes down the toilet?  I thought the economy going down the toilet, would be worse than the virus spreading, unless I am wrong?

[Minneloa]

10 minutes ago, ironpony said:

But we're all going to get it anyway, cause the numbers are growing bigger and bigger.  No hospitals can save us.

The numbers of confirmed cases are growing every day, but the point of staying home is to keep this increase lower than it would be if we were all out roaming free and infecting each other. 

[Minneloa]

1 minute ago, ironpony said:

But won't the virus eventually get us all sick anyway?  Is it worth buying time, when it's inevitable, especially if the economy goes down the toilet?  I thought the economy going down the toilet, would be worse than the virus spreading, unless I am wrong?

I don’t claim to be an expert here, but as I understand it, the hope is to slow the spread enough over the next weeks or months so the hospitals aren’t overwhelmed. Then, once the peak of infections is reached and has dropped significantly, we can think about how we might modify social distancing guidelines. If we let the virus run unchecked now, the death estimates are horrifying.

[BaileyB]

1 hour ago, ironpony said:

It's a shipping and packaging job.

Well I just feel that the government is wrong that staying home is going to make things better cause it keeps spreading and getting worse.  Their is no beating it and we are all going to get it later on.  So why fight the inevitable.  Why remain in denial that we are not going to get it?  

In other words, you know better than all the doctors, statisticians, and biomedical experts in the world? 

It keeps spreading and getting worse because we have only been engaging in serious social distancing measures for about 2-3 weeks. With a fourteen days incubation period, that is not enough time to see this episode peak and to see the numbers decline. It’s also still spreading because some people are not following the directions of the medical experts and political leaders to stay home and slow the spread.

Absolutely nobody has said that it is inevitable that we will all get it someday. And, this is not about whether YOU will or will not get it. Have you not been watching the news - this virus spreads quickly and without warning, and if everybody gets it at the same time it will overwhelm the medical system such that many, many, many lives will be lost - unnecessarily. Possibly your parents lives because worse case scenario and they get it with everyone else - at their age, the ventilator is going to go to someone younger who has the possibility of a better outcome...

Please educate yourself. Listen to the health officials and the politicians. 

Edited April 3, 2020 by BaileyB

[ironpony]

Well it's just if this virus is as bad as that and it keeps spreading, then why aren't he doctors and politicians saying that it's unbeatable and nothing can be helped?

Edited April 3, 2020 by ironpony

[Minneloa]

2 minutes ago, ironpony said:

Well it's just if this virus is as bad as that and it keeps spreading, then why aren't he doctors and politicians saying that it's unbeatable and nothing can be helped?

Because that’s not true. We can try to slow the spread and reduce the death toll; meanwhile, scientists can study the virus and learn more about its properties, such as whether people build up immunity to it and for how long. At the same time, work has begun on developing a vaccine; this will take a while, which is why it is so important to practice social distancing now.

I second BaileyB’s suggestion above: you should educate yourself about this situation. There is no shortage of information available to the public.

[ironpony]

Well it's just that are these the same people who have tried to invent a vaccine for the common colds but have failed, and tried to invent one for HIV and failed?  So what the odds that all of a sudden they are going to be successful with this one?

Also, it takes the FDA years to approve new medications, and I read it could take up to 12 years according to this article:

https://www.drugs.com/fda-approval-process.html

It says it can take an average of 12 years for FDA approval, and that's just an average, so can realistically expect to have one in less than a few years?

Edited April 4, 2020 by ironpony

[BaileyB]

2 hours ago, ironpony said:

Well it's just if this virus is as bad as that and it keeps spreading, then why aren't he doctors and politicians saying that it's unbeatable and nothing can be helped?

Because something can be helped. People can be saved if they get good medical care - in some cases, that means critical care and ventilators. But, if too many people get the virus at one time, the medical care will not be available to everyone who needs it. 

If you think there is nothing that can be done and it’s unbeatable - look at the difference between the US and Canada. We began enforcing strict social distancing measure before most parts of the US - and look what we have done to slow the spread. It’s the same for South Korea. And Singapore. People can make a huge difference in slowing the spread of this virus, if they do as they are asked and stay home.

Edited April 4, 2020 by BaileyB

[BaileyB]

2 hours ago, ironpony said:

Well it's just that are these the same people who have tried to invent a vaccine for the common colds but have failed, and tried to invent one for HIV and failed?  So what the odds that all of a sudden they are going to be successful with this one?

What are the odds? Pretty good. I’m not a scientist, but I do not believe it will not take 12 years because the entire world is motivated to develop a safe and effective vaccine - now. They were successful with H1N1. Vaccines are in development and it is my understanding the the first have been fast tracked to go to clinical trials. The entire world of scientists is working on a vaccine... To throw your hands up and say, “Nah well, these lives don’t matter because it’s going to take too long to develop a vaccine” is just not a reasonable or acceptable thing to do.

Edited April 4, 2020 by BaileyB

[ironpony]

Oh okay, I didn't think the FDA would bend it's rules though no matter how many scientists are working on it.  I thought they would still think rules are rules.

[ironpony]

Well my friend went thought he had corona today, so he went and got tested and they told him it would take five days to get the results back.  That really makes me wonder how urgent they are taking this dilemma when they would take five days to test someone.  With this pandemic they should do the tests much faster than that I should say.

[Miss Clavel]

i understood your point right up until you mentioned your grandparents. unless you will be working somewhere alone. you have to decide, can i possibly infect myself, my parents and their parents for money?

how are you going to feel when they take your mom to the hospital, sick, old and alone. no visitors, no vents?

you might be responsible

 

you have/will have unemployment. you are unemployed and they are not making anyone look for work right now. not to mention, there is a stay at home order in most states.

is the job offer one that is essential?

even if you are required to look for work, which i doubt. you can use the internet.

cvs. amazon and walmart are hiring. fill out the online app and they consider it the requirement of "looking for work".

seriously. 

 

Edited April 4, 2020 by Miss Clavel

[Ellener]

19 hours ago, ironpony said:

they are telling me to stay home now for everyone's health, so I don't think it's a power struggle with them.  Is it?

They are in their 60s but they take care of my Grandma at my Grandma's place and are worried about her getting it was well.

then health is the number one priority for now.

Edited April 4, 2020 by Ellener
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[Ellener]

My general advice would also be- stop being so negative @ironpony People are working their asses off to treat the sick/make more test kits and ventilators/find a vaccine etc Stay home, be encouraging and helpful to your family. Are you doing some writing?

[SincereOnlineGuy]

20 hours ago, ironpony said:

But we're all going to get it anyway, cause the numbers are growing bigger and bigger.  No hospitals can save us.

 

You sound like "Glum" from "Gulliver's Travels".

 

Even if 5 million people die from this... that's about 1 in every 1500 people on earth today.  Heavily skewed toward the very old and infirm.

 

Now what do you really suppose your chances are?

 

Does it make sense to put your parents lives in danger merely to go and work in an Amazon-like environment with heaven knows who?

 

 

[BaileyB]

20 hours ago, ironpony said:

Well my friend went thought he had corona today, so he went and got tested and they told him it would take five days to get the results back.  That really makes me wonder how urgent they are taking this dilemma when they would take five days to test someone.  With this pandemic they should do the tests much faster than that I should say.

Dude, the reason why it takes so long is because a) there are a lot of people who need to be tested (the demand is high which is why they are trying to limit who is eligible to be tested) b) they have been running out of the supplies needed to do the test (nasal swabs and reagent), and c) the labs are short staffed. 

All the provinces have been working to get the test results within 24-48 hours, as are scientists working to get a blood test or another test with near instant results. Again, you need to educate yourself before you make these judgments...

Edited April 5, 2020 by BaileyB

[ironpony]

Oh okay, well when I tried doing research on it, I couldn't find a lot.  When they do the test, how is the test done once they have taken the sample?  Do they put it under a microscope, and know what to look for?

[justwhoiam]

On 4/2/2020 at 9:00 PM, ironpony said:

I was offered a job, a really high paying job too, compared to what I've had before, and my parents discouraged me not to take it. 

You mean they discouraged you to take it.... ha!

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Three weeks later, they called again, but I missed the call.  I can wait to call them back and think about it, but my parents say don't take a job right now, because they cannot have me possibly bringing the virus home.  What do you think?  Should I respect their needs more, or should I just take the high paying job, and risk it, even though it will cause a lot of drama with them probably?  Or should I roll the dice and wait, hoping they still want me after the pandemic is over?

Well, if you can take precautions correctly, everyone could be happy, possibly. If you have your own bedroom and your own bathroom (not shared with your parents), then you could take the job. You shouldn't share common spaces at home with them. If you can come home and then confine yourself to your bedroom, then do so. Your parents would be protected. You'd have to clean your own room and change linen for your bed by yourself. Your parents could leave food for your meals outside your bedroom door, using disposable plates and cutlery. When you leave home to go to work, you also put that stuff in the trash. You can drink from your bottles of water or use disposable cups.

I must say that people who tested positive to Covid 19 and have no symptoms or very mild symptoms are asked if they have to walk down the hallway to reach the bathroom in their own home. In case they do, they're not sent home, as their home is considered unfit for self-isolation.

Italy has already ordered batches of quick tests from Singapore. Result's ready in 20 minutes. I guess they'll be used in airports and some other places where you need quick answers. So infected people won't be able to fly or go around.

The return to normality will be long. So we need to get a bit comfortable with this.

[ironpony]

Well that's just it, the return to normality will be long and I think eventually we will all get the virus at some point.  So I feel I should give myself a cut off.  How long do I wait before I go get a job and go live a normal life?  What would be a good cut off point to say, okay it's not getting any better, let's just live life, since it's not going to get better?

Edited April 5, 2020 by ironpony

[justwhoiam]

1 hour ago, ironpony said:

Well that's just it, the return to normality will be long and I think eventually we will all get the virus at some point.  So I feel I should give myself a cut off.  How long do I wait before I go get a job and go live a normal life?  What would be a good cut off point to say, okay it's not getting any better, let's just live life, since it's not going to get better?

You can work now. It just takes some effort. I didn't understand if you have the right situation at home that I described above, because you didn't say anything about it.

Normal life? Many months I guess. It greatly depends on the effort people are willing to make and the area where you live. Some towns might be or become virus-free.

[ironpony]

Oh okay, cause I feel if the virus doesn't go away by next winter, and we are all still getting it in increased numbers, than we might as well just throw in the towel and accept that it's going to be among us, and live life normally, accepting it the same way we do strepthroat, or flus or chickenpox, and other diseases like that.  If next winter seems reasonable.

[justwhoiam]

51 minutes ago, ironpony said:

we might as well just throw in the towel and accept that it's going to be among us, and live life normally

That's what people have a hard time understanding: you can't live a normal life during an epidemic such as this. Even if all the people tried to live normally, life would be disrupted. Right now, 20%+ people that tested positive develop Covid 19 (the disease you can get from being infected with the Sars-Cov-2 virus) and they all need hospitalization. So even if you were lucky enough in the U.S. to have half of the patients needing hospitalization, that'd mean 33 million people. U.S. hospitals have less than 1 million beds. To have many millions of beds, you need to jeopardize the entire healthcare system. In Italy, in many cases elective surgeries have been suspended/cancelled. Same for specialist visits that are deemed as not urgent. But just think of people needing new glasses, or a hearing device, and I could go on. Normal life stops. We could stop taking care of patients and let them die at home... but then the rate of deaths would be hardly manageable. There'd be hygiene problems coming from that. So now you know why normal life can't exist even if you decided to live a normal life.

[ironpony]

Yeah I see but even if it's not fully normal I feel like I will need to get a job again in a few months to survive at least.  Is that being unreasonable?