Politics and COVID-19

[Tamfana]

22 hours ago, Tamfana said:

Trump and Fox have repeatedly been proven to be deniers and liars, lying about the accuracy of others’ reporting too in order to confuse, inflame and deflect responsibility.  Trump and Fox loyalists believe them and what they say.  No one can do anything about it anymore.  

This was pulled to start a new thread and this response was related to the dishonesty of both Trump and FoxNews channel regarding COVID-19. 

Marc, believe the false statements from FOX and Trump and his administration, even agree with them if you wish, but the popularity of an opinion doesn't make it true. 

The Trump admin's and FoxNews personalities' dishonesty will result in more Americans dying than telling the truth and acting responsibly and consistent with science would have.  Whether any of that is popular or believed doesn't matter.  

[Piddy]

What's scary now is Trump is pushing the malaria drug hydroxychloroquine using anecdotal evidence.  Trump is listening to his economic adviser Peter Navarro instead of his science advisers.  Trump and his hunches.  🙄

Edited April 6, 2020 by Piddy

[Piddy]

1 hour ago, Tamfana said:

This was pulled to start a new thread and this response was related to the dishonesty of both Trump and FoxNews channel regarding COVID-19. 

Marc, believe the false statements from FOX and Trump and his administration, even agree with them if you wish, but the popularity of an opinion doesn't make it true. 

The Trump admin's and FoxNews personalities' dishonesty will result in more Americans dying than telling the truth and acting responsibly and consistent with science would have.  Whether any of that is popular or believed doesn't matter.  

Trump originally called the virus a hoax along with Fox News hosts.  Then he downplayed it saying it would go away quickly.  We lost precious time   Yes, it's already cost lives because of his administrations slow response because he bought into the hoax BS and was in denial too long. 

And he lied saying every American had access to a test.  You can't just wish things away as he seems to do.   Now he's looking for some miracle drug as a savior without scientific enough testing trials.  Not a good time to have incompetence and malfeasance running things.

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[Piddy]

3 minutes ago, Piddy said:

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[nittygritty]

21 minutes ago, Piddy said:

What's scary now is Trump is pushing the malaria drug hydroxychloroquine using anecdotal evidence.  Trump is listening to his economic adviser Peter Navarro instead of his science advisers.  Trump and his hunches.  🙄

If I or a loved one was dying of Covid-19 and there are people that have recovered from it using hydroxychloroquine or other experimental treatment medications that are promising there is no time to wait for a study or fda approval. They are dying. Of course it should be tried. 

[Piddy]

22 minutes ago, nittygritty said:

If I or a loved one was dying of Covid-19 and there are people that have recovered from it using hydroxychloroquine or other experimental treatment medications that are promising there is no time to wait for a study or fda approval. They are dying. Of course it should be tried. 

The problem is people can die.  Right now it's anecdotal.  How a drug works on one person doesn't mean it will work on another.  The point is Trump is listening to economic people instead of scientific people. 

His irresponsible rhetoric already killed a man  He drank some fish cleaner because it had the drug in it.  If Trump had listened to his scientific advisers we wouldn't be where we are now.  Totally dropped the ball with his wishful thinking.  

This drug can can cause heart attacks.  The only thing he's said that's accurate is that he's not a doctor.  🙄   I want Trump to listen to his scientific experts like Dr. Fauchi and Dr. Birx.   Evidence based medicine should always take precedent.  People die of cancer everyday, yet we don't approve cancer drugs based on anecdotal evidence.

Edited April 6, 2020 by Piddy

[lana-banana]

The media should absolutely not be covering these rallies press conferences. Refusing to answer questions; inviting insane businessmen to praise your greatness; lying about the scope of the problem; insulting reporters asking simple questions; refusing to let qualified medical officials speak; demanding loyalty oaths as the price for getting much-needed aid; hawking shady and unproven treatments advocated by buddies (who aren't doctors)---these grotesque spectacles are getting people killed. 

It's funny to me, in a very sad way, that the best the president's supporters have left is "people would die anyway" or "letting innocent people die is fine if it makes the stock market go up". It's a death cult.

[Highndry]

NEWSFLASH: Both CNN and Faux news are bought and paid for liars.

[preraph]

All of them are, even NBC, ABC, the papers.  They all have their interests.  CBS is a little better than the other networks about that.  FOX at least openly touts themselves as News during the day, opinion at night.  CNN still tries to pass themselves off as news, and they're not.  They don't broadcast anything they don't want anyone to hear or have on opposition debate, and FOX does do that regularly when they can get anyone to do it.  

[NuevoYorko]

1 hour ago, nittygritty said:

If I or a loved one was dying of Covid-19 and there are people that have recovered from it using hydroxychloroquine or other experimental treatment medications that are promising there is no time to wait for a study or fda approval. They are dying. Of course it should be tried. 

It's up to the medical & scientific communities as well as individual health care  providers to make these decisions, and completely inappropriate for the president or any other layperson, especially one with high visibility and influence,  to be touting "cures."  That's out of line and dangerous.

[Tamfana]

The great thing in this Foxian/Trumpian “everybody lies” and "Fox is no different" escape hatch they use is that doctors and nurses and EMTs, virologists, immunologists, etc will help you and save you even if you believed it was a hoax or unimportant.  Yay for professionals and science.  

[Tamfana]

20 minutes ago, Highndry said:

NEWSFLASH: Both CNN and Faux news are bought and paid for liars.

We know you believe that.  It's kind of scary but I do respect your right to believe it.  Most of us aren't so interested in the Trump/Fox game any more.  Fox and Trump endangered you and ironically the people who are alerting you care more about your well-being than the president or Hannity or Pirro do- AND we have no profit motive, no motive to get you to watch.   

[Highndry]

27 minutes ago, Tamfana said:

We know you believe that.  It's kind of scary but I do respect your right to believe it.  Most of us aren't so interested in the Trump/Fox game any more.  Fox and Trump endangered you and ironically the people who are alerting you care more about your well-being than the president or Hannity or Pirro do- AND we have no profit motive, no motive to get you to watch.   

No, what's scary is people who have bought into their divide and conquer scheme.

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[Tamfana]

Really, we just want you to know that Fox personalities lied and Trump lied- and that those lies caused harm, death.  We're all Americans and as far as COVID-19 is concerned, we're all human beings on the planet, so dividing is futile, conquering impossible. The virus is part of nature and science not some battle for ratings or an election.  

So to anyone else who is a loyal Fox watcher or Trump fan, confirm anything they say with 3rd party sources. Don't put your life on the line by following their advice or opinions.  The Fox presenter who called this pandemic another attempt to impeach Trump was taken off the air, so even Fox management knows.  They're being sued already.  

So anyway, be careful no matter your politics.    

Edited April 6, 2020 by Tamfana

[nittygritty]

8 hours ago, Piddy said:

The problem is people can die.  Right now it's anecdotal.  How a drug works on one person doesn't mean it will work on another.  The point is Trump is listening to economic people instead of scientific people. 

His irresponsible rhetoric already killed a man  He drank some fish cleaner because it had the drug in it.  If Trump had listened to his scientific advisers we wouldn't be where we are now.  Totally dropped the ball with his wishful thinking.  

This drug can can cause heart attacks.  The only thing he's said that's accurate is that he's not a doctor.  🙄   I want Trump to listen to his scientific experts like Dr. Fauchi and Dr. Birx.   Evidence based medicine should always take precedent.  People die of cancer everyday, yet we don't approve cancer drugs based on anecdotal evidence.

New York is currently treating thousands of seriously ill coronavirus patients with the anti-malarial drug hydroxychloroquine along with an antibiotic. There are also clinical trials and research studies being done on it. I guess they will find out.

President Trump never said to drink fish tank cleaner. Geez

 

[Ellener]

8 hours ago, NuevoYorko said:

It's up to the medical & scientific communities as well as individual health care  providers to make these decisions, and completely inappropriate for the president or any other layperson, especially one with high visibility and influence,  to be touting "cures."  That's out of line and dangerous.

Politicians and laypeople make insurance and medical policy decisions which should be up to qualified doctors every day in the US.

Hopefully a lot of things will change because of what comes out in this situation.

[Piddy]

9 hours ago, nittygritty said:

New York is currently treating thousands of seriously ill coronavirus patients with the anti-malarial drug hydroxychloroquine along with an antibiotic. There are also clinical trials and research studies being done on it. I guess they will find out.

President Trump never said to drink fish tank cleaner. Geez

 

Yes, time will tell.  Basically New York is conducting a clinical trial is what I read.  The couple that drank the fish cleaner that had hydroxchloroquine in it did so because of Trump touting it.  The husband died but the woman survived.

  Again, I want Trump to listen Fauchi and Birx  instead of Navarro.  I'd like to just see the Fauchi and Birx conduct the nightly press conference instead of the Trump reality show.  He just rants incoherently and lies every night.  I wish they wouldn't even cover when he speaks his nonsense.

Edited April 7, 2020 by Piddy

[nittygritty]

53 minutes ago, Piddy said:

Yes, time will tell.  Basically New York is conducting a clinical trial is what I read.  The couple that drank the fish cleaner that had hydroxchloroquine in it did so because of Trump touting it.  The husband died but the woman survived.

  Again, I want Trump to listen Fauchi and Birx  instead of Navarro.  I'd like to just see the Fauchi and Birx conduct the nightly press conference instead of the Trump reality show.  He just rants incoherently and lies every night.  I wish they wouldn't even cover when he speaks his nonsense.

A 54 year old Illinois man shot and killed his 59 year old girlfriend and himself last Thursday supposedly because he thought they had COVID-19. They had both taken the test two days before the murder/suicide and were waiting for the results. Family members found them dead. The test results came back negative.

A Nevada business owner laid off all of his 40 employees due to the mandatory shutdown of nonessential businesses and then went home and committed suicide. 

Lots of horrible tragic deaths taking place during this pandemic Covid-19 crisis. Deaths happen everyday before and after the Coronavirus. 

[Piddy]

32 minutes ago, nittygritty said:

A 54 year old Illinois man shot and killed his 59 year old girlfriend and himself last Thursday supposedly because he thought they had COVID-19. They had both taken the test two days before the murder/suicide and were waiting for the results. Family members found them dead. The test results came back negative.

A Nevada business owner laid off all of his 40 employees due to the mandatory shutdown of nonessential businesses and then went home and committed suicide. 

Lots of horrible tragic deaths taking place during this pandemic Covid-19 crisis. Deaths happen everyday before and after the Coronavirus. 

Yes, but the President should be more careful with what he says.  The woman said they took it because he  saying good things about it.  They didn't have it either, they took it as a preventative.  Lot's a stupid people out there so he should be more careful. 

[schlumpy]

Huge Hewitt is a conservative talk radio host as well as a participant on "Face The Nation."

Today is April 7, 2020 and I recommend that for those with an interest listen the podcast of his daily radio show. He does a timeline of the Corona virus with interviews from January to today of reporters, government officials and medical experts. It's very fascinating to see how we got to where we are.

I understand that for the left leaning participants here that "conservative' is a repugnant term only fit to bring a sneer to the upper lip but for those who want to know his podcast is very enlightening.

[nittygritty]

1 minute ago, Piddy said:

Yes, but the President should be more careful with what he says.  The woman said they took it because he  saying good things about it.  They didn't have it either, they took it as a preventative.  Lot's a stupid people out there so he should be more careful. 

That’s why they put warning labels on products like fish tank cleaner, drain cleaner, bleach, tide pods, antifreeze, etc. Doesn’t stop stupid people from dying from doing thIngs they shouldn’t including taking meth or huffing aerosols. Then there are the freaks that made videos of themselves licking public toilets to try to get the coronavirus or prove they couldn’t get it?!?!  None of which is President Trump’s fault including the idiots that drank fish tank cleaner. 

[Art_Critic]

1 hour ago, Piddy said:

Yes, but the President should be more careful with what he says.  The woman said they took it because he  saying good things about it.  They didn't have it either, they took it as a preventative.  Lot's a stupid people out there so he should be more careful. 

Hey Piddy, would you have poured the fish tank cleaner in a glass and drank it ? I didn't think so.. The white house did not tell anybody to drink fish tank cleaner.

BTW the CDC says the Clorox Bleach will kill this virus, does that mean we should drink it ? no.. that would be dangerous and someone might die...

 

[Piddy]

48 minutes ago, nittygritty said:

That’s why they put warning labels on products like fish tank cleaner, drain cleaner, bleach, tide pods, antifreeze, etc. Doesn’t stop stupid people from dying from doing thIngs they shouldn’t including taking meth or huffing aerosols. Then there are the freaks that made videos of themselves licking public toilets to try to get the coronavirus or prove they couldn’t get it?!?!  None of which is President Trump’s fault including the idiots that drank fish tank cleaner. 

Disagree.  We need a President more responsible.  Glad you like the way he operates.  I think it's about as irresponsible as you can get.

[Piddy]

3 minutes ago, Art_Critic said:

Hey Piddy, would you have poured the fish tank cleaner in a glass and drank it ? I didn't think so.. The white house did not tell anybody to drink fish tank cleaner.

BTW the CDC says the Clorox Bleach will kill this virus, does that mean we should drink it ? no.. that would be dangerous and someone might die...

 

Unfortunately a lot of people believe what Trump says.  I don't believe one word he says myself.   My advice to him, a little more reading up on things and less talking out of his ass, which is what he does most of the time.  And we know he reads nothing.  The fish rots from the head.  

[Tamfana]

He's claiming that if other countries were testing at the same rate as us, they'd actually have "far more" coronavirus cases. He doesn't even understand math. It's scary to me, to lots of us.