Tips how to avoid deniers during covid 19

[Gaeta]

26 minutes ago, Fletch Lives said:

 So don't blame Trump when almost everybody was slow to act. Again, it's just Psychology.

Sorry, but the entire world was going into lock down while Trump kept calling this a hoax. Once this virus got out of China, that it hit middle east, then Europe, then it started showing up in North America what was his excuse? STILL he was in deny. Trump reacted 3 weeks too late and you see the results. He is STILL not giving this the seriousness it deserves, he's more interested in saving his next election and blaming others, who does that? No one outside the US has been trying to get political gain out of this. It's not the time to throw blame left and right, it's time to get your act together. 

[Fletch Lives]

13 minutes ago, Gaeta said:

The only people Trump is hurting by withdrawing his contribution to WHO are people in poor countries that don't have the infrastructures to manage and fight a pandemic exemple Africa. 

 - Well he claims he's going to go around WHO and deal with countries directly.

I do believe he is trying to shift some blame. 

But if it's true that China was initially saying that the virus was purely zoological and not spread by humans, that's really bad.

But again, I believe almost everyone is to blame, except for a few medical experts.

Don't get me wrong, Trump has his issues. 

[elaine567]

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Speaking on BBC Radio 4's Today programme, Professor Gostin* said: "Covid-19 is about to march through sub-Saharan Africa and perhaps the Indian subcontinent like an avalanche.
"Even if the United States and Europe were to get their Covid epidemics under control, if you've got Covid rages in other parts of the world, in this interconnected
society we live in, it will come back to Europe and the United States.
"And in fact I could predict that if it gets out of control in these lower income countries that we will see in the US and Europe a second, and a third wave, and even a fourth wave of Covid.

* - Professor Lawrence Gostin, director of the World Health Organisations's Center on Public Health and Human Rights. 

Edited April 15, 2020 by elaine567

[Fletch Lives]

Yes, doctors have said we could have additional waves. 

However, we'll be able to act quicker next time, and eventually a vaccine will probably be available.

Additionally, this one could mutate. And we could have a new virus in the future. But again, reaction times will be much quicker.

Oh, and other countries/non-profits are probably going to try to help those countries, and it could be a mess.

 

As to the original topic - you don't want to turn into a control freak and confront people, that's a no-no. You are looking for trouble if you do that.

Edited April 15, 2020 by Fletch Lives

[Gr8fuln2020]

Trump is being Trump and I don't have the time and energy to spell it all out. The WHO, with its flaws, does a lot more good than Trump knows. Literally, Trump is not at all clear what the organization, let alone other more local institutions do and how they work. This is his way of blaming someone or something else for his, literally, his gaffes during this. Mind you, he continues to make things much more complicated and surreal for all of us.

As per changes in recommendations, sure, it sounds confusing at times, but as events unfolded and new evidence came to light, changes were made. You can see that as a positive or you can see that as just another indication of how our country was completely unaware and disconnected to the events that were occurring in China, Asia, Europe, in general prior to our shores being bombarded. This is what happens when an important government organization designed to monitor and plan for such events is disbanded....

Anyway, the best thing to do is do your part. If there is a means to report these irresponsible people, do so. Don't confront.

[serial muse]

1 hour ago, Fletch Lives said:

It's human nature to be slow to change. How many of you were wearing gloves, masks, social distancing and staying home in February? Heck, I'm a pretty smart guy but I just started to think about it the last week of February and it took a few days for it to sink in. So don't blame Trump when almost everybody was slow to act. Again, it's just Psychology.

The only people who were prepared were virus experts/Doctors. That's just the way it works with a 100 year event.

I think a large number of people are taking this emergency seriously. But a large number of people are not.

 

Well...that's a false equivalence. Trump is in a position to influence a shxt-ton of people, and with great power comes great responsibility. Lots of people weren't taking it seriously - on his say-so, and also because information that should have been general knowledge by February was not being disseminated because he and his administration refused to take it seriously. So yeah. He's definitely to blame in large part for the giant clusterflock that is the U.S. response to the pandemic. He really can't wriggle out of it.

Edited April 15, 2020 by serial muse

[elaine567]

Trump is a businessman turned politician. It is his job to make sure the economy is ticking along and the workers are happy.
He did not realise the real significance of the virus. He saw his job as trying to downplay it, to protect the markets till it all blew over.
Had  he been a doctor or a scientist  in a previous life, he would have been far more worried regarding the nation's health and more pro-active.
Boris did the same in the UK, he wasted weeks, so that mitigation was then the only game in town. The UK had the advantage of being an island, but he allowed every man and his dog into the country untested and untraced.  He basically allowed the disease to run riot.
Boris has managed to dodge a lot of the flak by almost dying.. genius move.
Now he is seen as a hero...
Maybe that will be Trump's next move.

[gamon]

You can't control what other people do but you can control what you do.

Wear a mask and stay out of public if you must go out just tell people to keep their distance if they get too close.

Sounds like you are in an area where there aren't too many cases so it's not being taken seriously. Give it time.

[Ellener]

6 hours ago, Fletch Lives said:

I think a large number of people are taking this emergency seriously. But a large number of people are not.

It reflects the way individual people cope with a crisis.

But there's a balance somewhere between panic and denial!

[NuevoYorko]

There are a lot of "evangelical" types around here and I keep seeing signs and references to "choose faith not fear."  That's annoying.  A person can conceivably have faith and simultaneously prefer not to catch or spread a virulent bug.

[SincereOnlineGuy]

On 4/12/2020 at 4:24 PM, underpants said:

In the south, I have noticed a lot of deniers, almost (jeez you should be arrested) stuff.

My state has scored an F on social distancing.

Any tips on social distancing?  I know the recommendations but how do you confront rule breakers?

You don't confront them.

 

That makes as little sense as policing the one-way aisles in the grocery store today.

Who cares if some guy... or some woman on crutches darts 1/8th of the way down an aisle the wrong way in 2020 to grab Oreo cookies before returning to the checkout?

 

 

[Ellener]

8 hours ago, Gaeta said:

The only people Trump is hurting by withdrawing his contribution to WHO are people in poor countries that don't have the infrastructures to manage and fight a pandemic exemple Africa. 

Well no one ever mentions this- but the biggest longest pandemic so far has been HIV/AIDS. 

We switched off concerning ourselves with fixing that once it was only bothering others.

To be hoped we all band together and deal with Covid-19 faster too, HIV infctions started in 1981 and the first person ( to date ) was only cured last year or the year before...

[SincereOnlineGuy]

6 hours ago, Ellener said:

Well no one ever mentions this- but the biggest longest pandemic so far has been HIV/AIDS. 

We switched off concerning ourselves with fixing that once it was only bothering others.

 

Uh, no.

 

We switched-off  concerning ourselves with it once it became clear that it was but a tiny dot (against the relative sun that science promised us it was going to be, from the outset).

 

[Ellener]

1 hour ago, SincereOnlineGuy said:

Uh, no.

 

We switched-off  concerning ourselves with it once it became clear that it was but a tiny dot (against the relative sun that science promised us it was going to be, from the outset).

 

Hmm, I was but a young 'un then but I remember in the early 80s scientists talking about viruses mutating and jumping species and stuff, and there was a lot of panic, then Princess Diana did a famous photo shoot in 1987 same year as AZT antiretroviral was first marketed...

Not sure how to interpret your writing ( denial? )  but it's been a global pandemic since, @ 37 000 new infections a year in the US according to CDC. 

It's been in my mind because I have been reading around the research topics on viruses, WHO says this:

 

Currently, there is insufficient data to assess the effectiveness of LPV/r or other antivirals for treating COVID-19. Several countries are evaluating the use of LPV/r and other antivirals and we welcome the results of these investigations. Again, as part of WHO’s response to the outbreak, the WHO R&D Blueprint has been activated to accelerate evaluation of diagnostics, vaccines and therapeutics for this novel coronavirus. WHO has also designed a set of procedures to assess the performance, quality and safety of medical technologies during emergency situations. Several randomized trials are planned to assess the safety and efficacy of using antiretroviral drugs – mainly LPV/r – for treating COVID-19, in combination with other drugs. Results are expected from mid-2020 onwards.

I haven't read of any cases of people with Covid-19 being treated with ARVs yet but a Houston hospital has treated a handful of patients with experimental plasma treatment from 'donated convalescent blood' and one of the nursing home outbreaks in Texas is testing hydroxychloroquine on 39 Covid-19 patients, using emergency test protocols due to the pandemic.

[basil67]

8 hours ago, SincereOnlineGuy said:

That makes as little sense as policing the one-way aisles in the grocery store today.

One way aisles are a thing?   Was only thinking today about how unsafe our aisles are.    That said, even if they all go the same direction, traffic jams will quickly occur when some stop to peruse the stock....so there's probably no point.

[basil67]

1 hour ago, SincereOnlineGuy said:

Uh, no.

 

We switched-off  concerning ourselves with it once it became clear that it was but a tiny dot (against the relative sun that science promised us it was going to be, from the outset).

 

I would say that we (first world) switched off to HIV once it was no longer a death sentence to us.   

[NuevoYorko]

Speaking of deniers - What about the protests in Lansing yesterday?  People are "believing strongly in herd immunity."

The daily death rates in the US are increasing.  We have no increased testing capacity, though.  

I won't be surprised if the governor of this state institutes the restrictions on what can be purchased at stores open for business.  Many people are going out "shopping" at places like Walmart and Target, which are open because they sell items deemed "essential."  They also sell many other types of items, like fishing poles, clothes and furniture.   

 

 

[chillii]

God l dunno , saw a clip on the news tonight of some states in the US  where there were 1000s of people demonstrating on the street against the lock downs , couldn't believe it.

Wasn't NY or Spain, or ltaly enough for them.  No point acting like a brat over this governments are trying to stop it l just mean WT !!!!

[basil67]

2 hours ago, NuevoYorko said:

Speaking of deniers - What about the protests in Lansing yesterday?  People are "believing strongly in herd immunity."

Idiots.  Do they not realise that smallpox wasn't stopped by herd immunity, but rather, the first immunisation which was invented?   

Actually no.  Without two brain cells to rub together, they probably don't realise it.

Edited April 16, 2020 by basil67

[elaine567]

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" ‘It’s time for our state to be opened up’ said one protester in her car.
‘We’re tired of not being able to buy the things that we need, go to the hairdressers. It’s time to open up’."

Forget about people dying, she needs to be able to buy "stuff" and get her roots done...
"Wah Wah Wah. Me no like this"
SMH

[gaius]

3 minutes ago, elaine567 said:

Forget about people dying, she needs to be able to buy "stuff" and get her roots done...
"Wah Wah Wah. Me no like this"
SMH

I think that's what a lot of Europeans don't understand about the US and why we don't have more generous benefits. Because we are drowning in stupid, lazy and entitled. Way more so than other first world countries.

There's a lot that's great about us but thinking power is not quite up to snuff at the moment.

[gaius]

18 hours ago, NuevoYorko said:

There are a lot of "evangelical" types around here and I keep seeing signs and references to "choose faith not fear."  That's annoying.  A person can conceivably have faith and simultaneously prefer not to catch or spread a virulent bug.

I went through the I-95 check point into Florida for the first time yesterday and saw a lot of "liberal" types with New York, Pennsylvania and Massachusetts license plates trying to stay in the truck lane so they didn't even have to stop.

The cops almost had to beat on their hoods with flags to get them to merge over. There were so many some got through because the staties didn't have enough cars to pull them all over.

Our city had it's first confirmed cases of community spread the other day. A few workers at Whole Foods tested positive. I don't think it's the evangelicals we have to thank for that.

[d0nnivain]

7 minutes ago, gaius said:

I went through the I-95 check point into Florida for the first time yesterday and saw a lot of "liberal" types with New York, Pennsylvania and Massachusetts license plates trying to stay in the truck lane so they didn't even have to stop.

Trying to by-pass a check point makes them a**h***s but the state on their license plate tells you nothing about their political beliefs.  I live in the reddest part of a deep blue state.  You probably  didn't even know such an enclave existed.  The political beliefs of people who live Upstate NY bear zero resemblance to their NYC counterparts.    In central Pennsylvania the most liberal students on many college campuses are usually moderate Republicans, not left wing nut jobs.  Stop generalizing.

[gaius]

4 minutes ago, d0nnivain said:

Trying to by-pass a check point makes them a**h***s but the state on their license plate tells you nothing about their political beliefs.  I live in the reddest part of a deep blue state.  You probably  didn't even know such an enclave existed.  The political beliefs of people who live Upstate NY bear zero resemblance to their NYC counterparts.    In central Pennsylvania the most liberal students on many college campuses are usually moderate Republicans, not left wing nut jobs.  Stop generalizing.

No, I'm a republican originally from Massachusetts but that doesn't mean when you see a Massachusetts license plate it's not safe to assume it's a liberal. 

The bottom line is the majority of super spreading so far has come from liberal areas. And will probably continue that way for the near future. It's not the evangelicals that have been the main problem.

[Tamfana]

23 hours ago, elaine567 said:

Trump is a businessman turned politician. It is his job to make sure the economy is ticking along and the workers are happy.

I don't think so, at least not under the non-interference free market model that the GOP claims they follow.   

Now the funds for business relief have been gobbled up, I'd love to know who got the money. But Trump eliminated accountability and oversight by firing the inspector general for the COVID relief funds so we might not know who got what until Trump's out of office since he believe he does't have to tell us where tax dollars and debt go.  We might not even even know then since we learned during the impeachment process that he vaults up incriminating evidence of corruption and claims we have no right to know what he does. He has absolute control, no responsibility and the party that doesn't control the WH, the courts or the Congress is to "blame."  What a bizarro illogical nightmare.  

What I'm surprised about is that businesses that just got a massive tax cut and that bought up their own shares with that boon then scrambled to get even more from the government they undermine every day.  There are a lot of businesses that should go out of business, just like back in '09. Capitalism includes failure for incompetence and for failure to meet the market but some businessmen today are really cons themselves. That's what they voted for so, let 'em fail.  

Edited April 16, 2020 by Tamfana