The necessity of lockdowns during the pandemic

[QuietRiot]

Guess what...South Korea is BACK in lockdown...AGAIN!

 

https://www.express.co.uk/news/world/1292868/Coronavirus-second-wave-south-korea-covid-19-deaths-schools

 

 

[chillii]

7 hours ago, Libby1 said:

Where I am, we've gone right down - only 18 new cases yesterday.  People aren't really bothering to give eachother that wide a berth, and hardly anybody wears a mask...but we're kind of quite reserved people where I live anyway, and a bit of social distancing comes naturally.  When I go to other places, I'm often a bit taken aback by how "in my face" other people get, and how loudly they speak (shouting probably propels the virus a fair bit).

England & Wales are a different matter.  They're still getting between 1000 and 2000 cases every day...that's down from what it was though.  In early May they were getting 6000 new cases some days.  As a whole, the UK is now up to 40,000 deaths so UK is unquestionably doing worse than the US given the population difference.  We're second worst in the world, with Belgium topping the covid deaths per capita charts. You guys are still something like 9th or 10th worst on the list.  Quite a few European countries are ahead of you.  

At the moment, the UK chart is still showing a continuing decrease in new cases, while your chart shows your cases have started going up again...but your protests started before ours...and I think in a few days time we're going to start seeing a similar climb.  Of course, it might just be a brief climb before a return back downwards...and I know a lot of people seem to be optimistic that the protests won't cause a spike since they took place outside.  That seems a bit overly optimistic to me, but I guess we'll know in a week or so.

Ahh that's great then for where you are , same here we're down to zero some days 1 or 2 others . know what you mean about the in your face types l've found the same if l go to other parts , even told one guy the other week to back the fk away a bit and stop shouting, he looked at me stupid.  Smart guy.

[chillii]

2 hours ago, QuietRiot said:

Guess what...South Korea is BACK in lockdown...AGAIN!

 

https://www.express.co.uk/news/world/1292868/Coronavirus-second-wave-south-korea-covid-19-deaths-schools

 

 

Shyt eh .

[QuietRiot]

A local pop culture bar...

 

We want to also note that while masks are extremely encouraged they are not mandatory. If you are not feeling well, or a person who is immunocompromised, or if seeing people not wearing masks gives you anxiety, we hear and understand you but we respectfully request you visit us at a time where it’s safer.

Funny...the bolded.

Their FB feed blew up with people in opposition of this statement to the point where the business decided to delete all the unfavorable comments.

I've been there before, that place is so cramped that I would never again. 

[thefooloftheyear]

https://www.foxnews.com/science/coronavirus-asymptomatic-spread-rare-who

So now they are saying that it's "very rare" for an asymptomatic person to spread the virus....

Oh well........oops.....sorry bout that....😄

TFY

[nospam99]

^^^ NOT funny, TFY. Did the US shut down the economy and mandate the stupid f***ing masks when a simple check of temperature and coughing would have sufficed? Or have the self-proclaimed experts got it wrong AGAIN?

[amaysngrace]

I could have told them that.  My daughter had the damn thing, stayed asymptomatic for two weeks and nobody caught it here in my house...not even our pets 🤣

[carhill]

Stopped at the little berg of Glenada in SOJ (State of Jefferson) yesterday to get fuel and some vodka during a north tow and no masks were seen, employees as normal, lady at the counter practically leaped over it to give me a hug and thank me for stopping by. Only change I noted is she mentioned I didn't have to finger sign the keypad unless I wanted to. I did.  I was kinda shocked driving through NorCal and seeing the vacant businesses, restaurants closed and people wandering around with masks, at least south of Redding. Redding and north, SOJ and into Oregon, still some businesses closed but far more people out and about, RV parks open, some, not all, campgrounds open but still far fewer people seen. I probably saw less than ten vehicles in both directions the last 60 miles or so on the highway. For June in Oregon on a weekday, that's shocking.

Locally, all cases, a couple dozen, have recovered without any deaths. Oregon remains on lockdown until July 6 unless Brown has changed something. Since coastal Oregon is known for cool, rainy weather, that'll be a good test of viral robustness, supposedly heat and sun help disperse and end it. It should thrive in the cool, wet weather, a lot like winter elsewhere.

[Happy Lemming]

2 hours ago, carhill said:

 Since coastal Oregon is known for cool, rainy weather, that'll be a good test of viral robustness, supposedly heat and sun help disperse and end it.

I'm in the desert and its been HOT and DRY!  We've had an increase/spike in Covid-19 cases. 

The "experts" seem to think there is a correlation between the spike in cases and the lifting of the "stay at home" order on May 15th.

I don't know what to believe anymore.

[introverted1]

11 hours ago, amaysngrace said:

I could have told them that.  My daughter had the damn thing, stayed asymptomatic for two weeks and nobody caught it here in my house...not even our pets 🤣

What led to her being tested?

[amaysngrace]

22 minutes ago, introverted1 said:

What led to her being tested?

She’s a nurse in a hospital and her hospital made everyone get tested because there was an outbreak on her floor. 

 

[QuietRiot]

8 hours ago, carhill said:

Stopped at the little berg of Glenada in SOJ (State of Jefferson) yesterday to get fuel and some vodka during a north tow and no masks were seen, employees as normal, lady at the counter practically leaped over it to give me a hug and thank me for stopping by. Only change I noted is she mentioned I didn't have to finger sign the keypad unless I wanted to. I did.  I was kinda shocked driving through NorCal and seeing the vacant businesses, restaurants closed and people wandering around with masks, at least south of Redding. Redding and north, SOJ and into Oregon, still some businesses closed but far more people out and about, RV parks open, some, not all, campgrounds open but still far fewer people seen. I probably saw less than ten vehicles in both directions the last 60 miles or so on the highway. For June in Oregon on a weekday, that's shocking.

Locally, all cases, a couple dozen, have recovered without any deaths. Oregon remains on lockdown until July 6 unless Brown has changed something. Since coastal Oregon is known for cool, rainy weather, that'll be a good test of viral robustness, supposedly heat and sun help disperse and end it. It should thrive in the cool, wet weather, a lot like winter elsewhere.

Australia is already into a winter , and so far, their numbers have been continuously slow. Fingers crossed for them.!

[lana-banana]

Cases are down consistently across the east coast and mid-Atlantic, which due to its population is why overall case numbers are still declining. But there have been spikes and worrying trends elsewhere:

- Texas has not just had the largest spike in the country and a continuous increase in cases, but two consecutive days of record hospitalizations;

- Arizona has seen almost two consecutive weeks of increasing cases, and has hit a record number of hospitalizations, with ICUs nearing capacity;

- North Carolina has the 2nd largest spike after Texas.

14 states have hit their highest numbers since June. C'mon, folks. Stay home and when you can't stay home, keep your masks on.

[QuietRiot]

18 minutes ago, lana-banana said:

Cases are down consistently across the east coast and mid-Atlantic, which due to its population is why overall case numbers are still declining. But there have been spikes and worrying trends elsewhere:

- Texas has not just had the largest spike in the country and a continuous increase in cases, but two consecutive days of record hospitalizations;

- Arizona has seen almost two consecutive weeks of increasing cases, and has hit a record number of hospitalizations, with ICUs nearing capacity;

- North Carolina has the 2nd largest spike after Texas.

14 states have hit their highest numbers since June. C'mon, folks. Stay home and when you can't stay home, keep your masks on.

Unfortunately....around here...it's as if the Covid NEVER happened. Everyone I work with feel the Covid is no biggie. 

There was a Meetup Restaurant group where the organizer stated that the Sushi Restaurant he was at the other day was PACKED to the gills, with people waiting in the foyer. So they are having their Meetup across the way. That statement alone would keep me home.

[schlumpy]

1 minute ago, QuietRiot said:

Unfortunately....around here...it's as if the Covid NEVER happened. Everyone I work with feel the Covid is no biggie. 

There was a Meetup Restaurant group where the organizer stated that the Sushi Restaurant he was at the other day was PACKED to the gills, with people waiting in the foyer. So they are having their Meetup across the way. That statement alone would keep me home.

Not a surprise Quiet. People tend to react to what hits them where they live. Those of us that have not been touched by the virus tend to minimize the danger. Where I live we had almost entire family die leaving only one sibling. It's Just one anecdotal story. Rationally I tend to agree that this has not been worse then a bad flu season but the constant fear campaign being waged in media does influence you.

I certainly would not like to lose my wife and her life would change significantly if she were to lose me. My best choice it to stay quiet, mask up and reduce my risk.

[lana-banana]

The shutdowns are estimated to have prevented 60 million cases in the US, and saved 3.1 million lives across Europe (check the Washington Post for reporting on the studies; title is "Shutdowns prevented 60 million coronavirus infections in the U.S., study finds"). I know it's frustrating, but we have to adapt to shutdowns and quarantines until a vaccine is available. 

[QuietRiot]

19 minutes ago, lana-banana said:

The shutdowns are estimated to have prevented 60 million cases in the US, and saved 3.1 million lives across Europe (check the Washington Post for reporting on the studies; title is "Shutdowns prevented 60 million coronavirus infections in the U.S., study finds"). I know it's frustrating, but we have to adapt to shutdowns and quarantines until a vaccine is available. 

 

Until then...we'll continue to see people crowd at local swimming areas and outdoor locations. I do give credit to the theme parks making people wear masks and social distance...although...I am wondering how they are able to police that once everyone gets in the park. I hear that some people, once they get passed the temperature check...they'll take off their masks.

I feel like an odd ball wearing a mask, esp. when I have no underlying conditions. I think the healthier/people under 65 are the ones that will shrug it off and go back to doing whatever.

Edited June 10, 2020 by QuietRiot

[schlumpy]

The zoo is opening up this weekend for zoo members only and I think we are going to go but we will take some masks with us. I can only guess at the attendance level and how much crowding there will be. It's a pretty big place.

[Redhead14]

1 hour ago, QuietRiot said:

 

I feel like an odd ball wearing a mask, esp. when I have no underlying conditions. I think the healthier/people under 65 are the ones that will shrug it off and go back to doing whatever.

There are millions of people walking around with "underlying conditions" and they aren't aware of them . . . yet.  However, the masks aren't about protecting you, it's to prevent the spread to others (some say that the mask isn't about protecting yourself.  I say that's a load of crap.  If it can prevent or reduce blowing the particles around by coughing or even talking, it can prevent the particles from being breathed in which is a "gentler" process even). 

[Ellener]

20 hours ago, Happy Lemming said:

The "experts" seem to think there is a correlation between the spike in cases and the lifting of the "stay at home" order on May 15th.

We had hardly any cases for our huge population but they did go up and bounce around when the lockdown was lifted.

This is entirely 'normal' for a pandemic:

 

Previous pandemics have been characterized by waves of activity spread over months. Once the level of disease activity drops, a critical communications task will be to balance this information with the possibility of another wave. Pandemic waves can be separated by months and an immediate “at-ease” signal may be premature.

In the post-pandemic period, influenza disease activity will have returned to levels normally seen for seasonal influenza. It is expected that the pandemic virus will behave as a seasonal influenza A virus. At this stage, it is important to maintain surveillance and update pandemic preparedness and response plans accordingly. An intensive phase of recovery and evaluation may be required.

( WHO )

Listen to your local medical officials is 'what to believe'. 

 

[QuietRiot]

You know what's really scary...now that I"m seeing more and more social media posts of my friends out having a good time, it's starting to feel normal...and it's scaring me. Pretty soon, I'll be the odd ball in this Twilight Zone episode.

I had a friend tell me she wore a mask some place, some store, and no one that she saw was wearing a mask, but I Think the employees were. People were staring at her and laughing.  Around here, it's as if having a mask is wearing a scarlet letter.  They are putting us in the category of tin hat wearers.

[Fresh_Start]

I'm not opposed to wearing a mask or gloves in public, but I was staunchly opposed to such a prolonged lockdown.  We have coexisted with pandemics in the past without destroying our economy, putting more Americans out of a job than what we had at the time of The Great Depression, causing hundreds of thousands of businesses to permanently close, and creating a national mental health crisis.  For many, the cure has been worse than the disease.

I look at the fact that the grocery stores were allowed to remain open for the entirety of the lockdown period as a model for how the rest of the country could have operated without resorting to such drastic measures.  I eat 5 meals a day as part of my weight lifting/training regimen and don't have a particularly large refrigerator so I go to the grocery store more often than your average person.  Every time I went, everyone was wearing masks (including bandanas, etc) and sanitizing cart handles.  Gloves have been out of stock for quite some time so I took to wrapping paper towels around the cart handles.  Other businesses could have remained opened as well: mandating the use of masks, gloves or comparable protection, controlling the flow of traffic into and out of the business, allowing only a set number of people inside at a time, taking reservations of some sort, and even using dividers.  There were a lot of ways to get creative, but instead it was mass hysteria with panic buying that left many without basic necessities and even caused prices to go up due to basic supply and demand, which creates a snowball effect in a recession.

Just my two cents even if it's met with torches and pitchforks.   

[Redhead14]

2 hours ago, QuietRiot said:

 People were staring at her and laughing.  Around here, it's as if having a mask is wearing a scarlet letter.  They are putting us in the category of tin hat wearers.

Like I said, those people can go F themselves.  We have a right to protect ourselves and our family and friends in whatever way we see fit and makes us most comfortable, etc.  And, it's OK with me if they don't survive an upsurge that they allowed/caused.

[Redhead14]

1 hour ago, Fresh_Start said:

 but I was staunchly opposed to such a prolonged lockdown. 

The governments of the ENTIRE WORLD, less a couple, opted to do this, not just the United States.  And, the US kinda cut it short compared to China and Italy.  And, just because those measures actually worked  so that now it feels like it wasn't such a big deal, doesn't mean it wasn't necessary. 

[Piddy]

Some states are seeing an increase in new cases as states ease up.  I just saw where 21 states have seen increases.  Until we have a vaccine we could see new cases on the rise as a new normal.

Edited June 11, 2020 by Piddy