How is COVID-19 controlled until a vaccine is found?

[nospam99]

Just a reminder, according to the CDS's COVID-19 Alert #2, when assigning a Cause of Death, it is permissible to ASSUME that the cause is COVID-19 EVEN IF THERE IS NO POSITIVE TEST. NYC Mayor DeBlasio 'magically' (my term) 'reclassified' 3778 deaths to have been caused by COVID-19 earlier this month. How can anyone trust any of the death counts? Also keep in mind that the reported death rates vary tremendously with comorbid pre-existing conditions that KILL HUNDREDS OF THOUSANDS EVERY YEAR. Yes, the virus is bad. But is it bad enough to shut down the economy? More important, are government officials making pronouncement being truthful? Making good decisions? Implementing the best ideas to help the infected WITHOUT HURTING EVERYONE ELSE? Do our Talking Head Fearless Leaders even understand the science? Is the mass media asking them the tough questions?

[schlumpy]

No matter when a catastrophe strikes there will be unprepared people and businesses at all levels of society. People who buy houses that put them on the edge of the financial cliff are risking that nothing bad will happen and that housing values will increase as well upward financial success at their places of employment. I was one of those people at one time and the risk was worth taking.

Businesses cannot afford to have a pool money sitting around and not earning a rate of return. They rely on short-term loans to make up any shortfalls from downturns. Many times they restructure which means store closings and layoffs.

The structure of society is not at fault here. The political will to create a perpetual state of readiness does not exist. 

 

[Piddy]

On 4/19/2020 at 7:35 PM, thefooloftheyear said:

Is it safer than people going to a "drive in" church gathering and staying in their own cars?   You wouldn't think so, but the local authorities handed out $500. tickets to people that actually tried to worship ….Peacefully...without leaving their cars...

https://www.wistv.com/2020/04/12/people-ticketed-each-after-attending-greenville-drive-in-church-service/

 

TFY

Not a church goer.  Golfer here. ⛳  My religion is practiced out on the fairways.  😉  On a serious note yeah it does seem kind of dumb.

[SincereOnlineGuy]

On 4/18/2020 at 4:17 AM, elaine567 said:

We knew about the nightmare in Italy but we did nothing for weeks.
 

 

The USA has now nearly attained "nightmare in Italy" status per capita  despite the lockdown.  Soon lots of these clowns will open it all back up and it will be so extreme that all we'll be able to do is sit back and laugh at ourselves and our collective stupidity.

 

 

[SincereOnlineGuy]

On 4/19/2020 at 5:18 PM, thefooloftheyear said:

 

They have been moving the goalposts since this began...

 

 

On 4/19/2020 at 9:26 PM, thefooloftheyear said:

 

There are times when its proper to criticize irresponsible behavior....Now is not that time...

 

 

So what's your point?

 

Governments would have been completely irresponsible NOT to  'move the goalposts'  as this pandemic wore on.

 

 

[thefooloftheyear]

22 minutes ago, SincereOnlineGuy said:

 

 

So what's your point?

 

Governments would have been completely irresponsible NOT to  'move the goalposts'  as this pandemic wore on.

 

 

 

The point is that it's basic human nature to get anxious if your entire life is basically falling apart(like it is for many people that have already losing /lost a great deal) from the lockdown when its one thing one day and another story another day....Most people can deal with any adversity, but when the story changes nearly daily then its simply enough to drive most off the edge..To make matters even worse, they have to sit there and listen to a bunch of politicians yelling at them like little children, while these politicians, some clueless themselves, have their checks are coming in and their pensions are being funded..

For the people unaffected in any measure financially/etc (maybe they can't get a haircut or go to their favorite pub) it may seem like its ridiculous that anyone feel any anxiety over it...If that's your deal, then great...its like an extended  snow day....

Whether it's right/wrong/irresponsible or not isn't the issue, nor am I questioning the reasoning behind the constant waffling and false predictions......SOME people don't understand the real plight of those who are losing enormously.......because they "aren't in it together"..

TFY

Edited April 29, 2020 by thefooloftheyear

[sothereiwas]

31 minutes ago, SincereOnlineGuy said:

The USA has now nearly attained "nightmare in Italy" status per capita  despite the lockdown.  Soon lots of these clowns will open it all back up and it will be so extreme that all we'll be able to do is sit back and laugh at ourselves and our collective stupidity.

As per the usual arrangement, we have a few urban centers making the rest of us look bad. 

[sothereiwas]

Interesting news:

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Children contract the coronavirus less often and with less severity than the general population, and there’s limited evidence so far that children pass the disease to others in significant numbers, according to a new report.

 - https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2020-04-30/children-don-t-pass-covid-19-to-adults-report-indicates

 

That seems odd but if true, excellent all things considered. 

[sothereiwas]

There's an interesting article on Bloomberg citing a recent study that indicates kids may be virtually unable to transmit SARS-COV-2 to adults. This seems far fetched but is somewhat backed by the data set. I find it hard to believe but I'd qualify it as almost too good to hope for. You can Google for it or hopefully the link embargo will end soon. 

[sothereiwas]

Another link in the same vein: https://news.sky.com/story/coronavirus-swiss-children-under-10-allowed-to-hug-grandparents-as-they-do-not-transmit-covid-19-11980568

[elaine567]

Children 'do transmit COVID-19' to adults, says researcher whose report was 'misunderstood' as evidence that kids cannot spread coronavirus

 

[elaine567]

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In an April 29 press conference, World Health Organization technical lead Maria van Kerkhove doubled down on warnings against seeing children as immune, or unable to pass on the virus. 

"There's no reason to think that children are less susceptible to infection if they're exposed, and that they can't transmit," she said. "We're really not seeing this in the epidemiology."

 

Edited April 30, 2020 by elaine567

[basil67]

1 hour ago, sothereiwas said:

There's an interesting article on Bloomberg citing a recent study that indicates kids may be virtually unable to transmit SARS-COV-2 to adults. This seems far fetched but is somewhat backed by the data set. I find it hard to believe but I'd qualify it as almost too good to hope for. You can Google for it or hopefully the link embargo will end soon. 

A doctor friend was telling me the same thing.   That the kids are safe with each other and the teacher is safe with the kids.  But the teachers are at risk from each other.  

Our govt is trying to persuade parents to send their kids back to school, but interestingly hasn't been citing this information to reassure parents.   That they haven't been citing it makes me assume that the data is too new to be relied upon.  

[basil67]

On 4/30/2020 at 8:26 AM, thefooloftheyear said:

For the people unaffected in any measure financially/etc (maybe they can't get a haircut or go to their favorite pub) it may seem like its ridiculous that anyone feel any anxiety over it...If that's your deal, then great...its like an extended  snow day....

I don't believe that any regular person would think it's ridiculous that anyone may feel some anxiety over their jobs and future.  

[gaius]

I wouldn't send the kids in our household back to school based on anything the doctors in the west have to say. They're doing just fine with the remote learning. It makes no sense to open schools back up anytime in the next few months.

Now if the doctors in China say kids can't transmit I'll consider it might be true. But studies from the architects of the plan that turned us into the worldwide center of the epidemic, I'll pass thanks.

[sothereiwas]

Articles about children not transmitting Covid-19

http://dontforgetthebubbles.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/04/COVID-data-top-10.pdf

http://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2020-04-30/children-don-t-pass-covid-19-to-adults-report-indicates

http://news.sky.com/story/coronavirus-swiss-children-under-10-allowed-to-hug-grandparents-as-they-do-not-transmit-covid-19-11980568

[thefooloftheyear]

2 hours ago, basil67 said:

I don't believe that any regular person would think it's ridiculous that anyone may feel some anxiety over their jobs and future.  

Well, I dunno…you would think that, but when I hear people keep saying "what's the big deal, just stay home",!!..Its always the one's that have nothing to lose and aren't being affected economically that are saying it......I really haven't been affected so much economically, but id be ashamed to tell people that, knowing there are people out there getting crushed....it makes me look like I don't care...

By virtue of a statement like that tells me that they aren't thinking of the people that are really feeling it...Same goes for the athletes and celebrities telling people to stay home..."just like they do"....with their 9 figure bank accounts, and 20 acre compounds...

I'm sure they mean well, and probably aren't thinking about it....I dunno….I guess I just see both sides of it....rather than just disregarding what someone else may be feeling/experiencing...

TFY

Edited May 1, 2020 by thefooloftheyear

[Eternal Sunshine]

I think that there is only a small % of those that are completely financially unaffected. I work in a sector that is supposed to feel the least impact from coronavirus (and indeed we have some extra projects due to it but we also have had to put many others on hold). My whole team has been set up to WFH before coronavirus. However, overall, we are operating in a loss and depending on how situation evolves, there could be significant salary cuts and layoffs. Even now, we are not going to get our annual 3% increase and some are forced to take annual leave. Our CEO and his executive team has decided to take a 20% pay cut to save us from taking any pay cuts for now. Obviously, everyone is watching the news everyday and holding their breath. Not to mention my shares have taken a big dive

I can imagine that only those independently wealthy feel no financial anxiety. Everyone that's employed is dealing with it to some extent.

Australia has heavy lockdowns so despite low infection rates, it is no different than anywhere else. I have been stopped twice by police in the last fortnight when going for a walk and had to state my purpose for being out of the house. I dread to think what will happen to Australia once it opens it's borders. I beleive for us, the worst is yet to come.

 

[schlumpy]

6 hours ago, Eternal Sunshine said:

I think that there is only a small % of those that are completely financially unaffected.

Everyone will be affected financially to some degree more or less. Inflation, lower stock market prices, inability to sell homes, reluctance of people to resume social gatherings at restaurants, sporting events, night clubs, higher crime rates, etc... and look for higher fees or taxes in the future. 

[sothereiwas]

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The World Health Organization lauded Sweden as a “model” for battling the coronavirus as countries lift lockdowns — after the nation controversially refused restrictions.

Dr. Mike Ryan, the WHO’s top emergencies expert, said Wednesday there are “lessons to be learned” from the Scandinavian nation, which has largely relied on citizens to self-regulate.

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Ryan noted that instead of lockdowns, the country has “put in place a very strong public policy around social distancing, around caring and protecting people in long-term care facilities.”

Rather than endure a link embargo of indeterminate length I'll just urge folks to Google the following: "nypost WHO lauds sweden", currently the top result, should be near top for the foreseeable. Basically we're probably all going to be Sweden sooner or later, the optional part is how wrecked we want our economy to be first. 

[sothereiwas]

For those who want to know, here is an interesting resource: https://www.webmd.com/lung/antibody-testing-covid-19#1

 

[sothereiwas]

An at home test, not sure how good it is: https://www.labcorp.com/coronavirus-disease-covid-19/patient-information/covid-19-testing-options

[sothereiwas]

This is a cool looking new treatment: 

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Scientists created a monoclonal antibody that can defeat the new coronavirus in the lab, an early but promising step in efforts to find treatments and curb the pandemic’s spread.

The experimental antibody has neutralized the virus in cell cultures. While that’s early in the drug development process -- before animal research and human trials -- the antibody may help prevent or treat Covid-19 and related diseases in the future, either alone or in a drug combination, according to a study published Monday in the journal Nature Communications.

 

 - https://www.nature.com/articles/s41467-020-16256-y.pdf, https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2020-05-04/scientists-create-antibody-that-defeats-coronavirus-in-lab

Edited May 4, 2020 by sothereiwas
Added link

[schlumpy]

I heard President Trump state that he hoped for a vaccine by the new year. I do hope that is so but my admittedly limited knowledge of vaccines whispered to me that the corona virus is similar to the cold virus (same family?) and we don't have a vaccine for the common cold. Will the reasons for our lack of a cold vaccine hold true for Covid also?  

[basil67]

I've wondered the same thing myself Schlumpy.  I wonder if it's because the cold isn't bad enough for people to work on a vaccine.

Edited May 5, 2020 by basil67