Fear is the fastest spreading Virus

[basil67]

1 hour ago, trackday said:

Yes, I brings a whole new meaning to the word "over reaction"  We have 14 people who have tested positive in our town of 100,000 people, yet the whole town is shut. I have 2 good friends that have lost their businesses. I hear statements like "we need to be wise" sadly the majority aren't able to discern the difference between wisdon & fear. 

How many people will have tested positive if you hadn't shut the town?

[trackday]

17 minutes ago, LivingWaterPlease said:

I'm reposting because I didn't get a field to post in before so posted in the wrong place.

I disagree that staying home is an act of love. I believe staying home is an act of fear, which does not equate to love, and going out, taking precautions, is an act of love for freedom for all the people in my country, those who are healthy and those who are unhealthy.

IMO, it's always important to wash hands and be careful of getting or giving disease to others. But, IMO, staying home does not accomplish protection from the coronavirus because at some point we'll all get it anyway. I don't intend to get into debating of vaccine protection because opinions of experts as to the probability of that differs and we don't have one at this point, anyway.

There are people I know personally whose lives are being ruined by being forced to stay home during this quarantine. 

Many of us have ancestors who have risked their lives for freedom in my country. My own have fought throughout generations beginning with the Revolutionary War, continuing through World War 2 and the Vietnam war.  The least I can do is to stand for freedom now.

Those who feel their health is threatened are free to take whatever measures are needed to protect themselves. And that is possible.

Most of us drive our cars everyday, although there is always the risk of being killed in an automobile accident. That's no reason to stay off the roads, though, who knows, with the mindset being adopted it may come to that at some point; only a certain amount of cars allowed on the road at one time. No analogy is perfect so please spare me of pointing out where this one doesn't correlate to the present coronavirus social distancing measures taken. 

I haven't posted much about this yet because I don't have time to follow up by responding much. There are deep lines of division over beliefs on this issue. I know very many people who believe it is a big mistake to quarantine those who are healthy.

 

 

 

Good post, maybe common sense is more common than I thought. 

[trackday]

This is great.

FEAR = False - Expectations - Appearing - Real.  

Hopefully sanity & common sense will soon prevail and the millions can go back to work, that of course assumes they still have a job to go back to. Looks like Spain is allowing kids back in the playgrounds.

 

Edited April 20, 2020 by trackday

[trackday]

It's interesting that our government here in Canada has been putting pressure on the big Banks to be more compassionate with borrowers who can't pay their debts and ease the outrageous interest rate on people's credit cards. We've been told they, the government are doing this because as our Prime Minister say's "we care about our people" Give me a break. If this government cared about people the Banks would have been told years ago to go easy on people. 

And the masses believe this stuff. 

Edited April 20, 2020 by trackday

[trackday]

4 hours ago, elaine567 said:

I hear now that poor Boris was busy with Brexit, busy reshuffling his cabinet, busy with his divorce, busy with his  mistress  fiancee being pregnant, busy at his country retreat ... we can't possibly sack him... 
smh

Nasty dig at Boris 

[basil67]

1 hour ago, LivingWaterPlease said:

Those who feel their health is threatened are free to take whatever measures are needed to protect themselves. And that is possible.

So you'd be cool if all the essential services people walked off the job because they felt that no lock downs were putting their own health at too great a risk?  

 

Edited April 20, 2020 by basil67

[divegrl]

We all have our own truth. Our own lens thru which we see the world.

 

Have a beautiful day friends. We are in this together. 💙💙💙

[LivingWaterPlease]

42 minutes ago, basil67 said:

So you'd be cool if all the essential services people walked off the job because they felt that no lock downs were putting their own health at too great a risk?  

 

I'm for freedom whatever the cost, my own life included. 

I genuinely mean no offense because I like you, and realize there are strong opinions both ways, but I don't really concern myself with hypotheticals that have little chance of coming about.

I'm editing this to add, I believe this to be a sobering and grave topic. To me standing for freedom is not a matter of being cool or not.

Edited April 20, 2020 by LivingWaterPlease

[LivingWaterPlease]

31 minutes ago, LivingWaterPlease said:

 

 

1 hour ago, basil67 said:

So you'd be cool if all the essential services people walked off the job because they felt that no lock downs were putting their own health at too great a risk?  

 

 

31 minutes ago, LivingWaterPlease said:

I'm for freedom whatever the cost, my own life included. 

I genuinely mean no offense because I like you, and realize there are strong opinions both ways, but I don't really concern myself with hypotheticals that have little chance of coming about.

I'm editing this to add, I believe this to be a sobering and grave topic. To me standing for freedom is not a matter of being cool or not.

basil, I apologize to you because I'm concerned my comment about being cool or not sounds snarky. I didn't mean for it to but it does, IMO. Your comment to me was just fine! I came back to edit mine but couldn't.  Please forgive me!

Edited April 20, 2020 by LivingWaterPlease

[basil67]

No worries @LivingWaterPlease

[lana-banana]

I just don't understand this obsession with "freedom". "Freedom" is not about getting to drive at 150 mph and shoot cocaine in a school parking lot. Freedom has never been about the right to put other people's lives at risk. None of this is curtailing on anybody's individual freedoms. This is not some kind of wild conspiracy to...I don't know, I can't even imagine why anybody would choose to destroy their own nation's economies and labor markets. Some things are too dumb to even entertain.

In countries that actually have decent health care infrastructure and strong testing regimes---e.g. China, South Korea, Germany, even parts of Spain---elements of lockdowns are being lifted. People are starting to go back to work. Businesses that closed have generally reopened because they received government assistance to stay afloat, even if it wasn't much. They took a bit of a hit but they're coming back. No insidious one-world government or whatever took over.

The reason such seemingly (emphasis on seemingly, because folks have gotten so carried away) draconian measures were necessary in the United States is because there were no other options. Testing, contact tracing, and affordable medical care is woefully inadequate. Without these things you cannot combat a pandemic, especially not a pandemic that involves a huge number. By contrast, if we had same-day testing (like Senegal and South Korea) and detailed contact tracing that allowed us to pinpoint exact outbreaks (like Singapore) then we could simply shut down places we knew were affected. But we don't have that knowledge, so we have to shut it all down.

Nobody's getting drafted or dying at Normandy. Literally the best thing you can do for your country is to stay home and we have an entire generation of Boomers complaining that it isn't fair, that they should be able to go golfing, blah blah blah. I want a haircut too but I don't want people to die so I can have one. If you want to work then go deliver for Instacart, or start lobbying your senator for rent relief and regular stimulus payments. Don't cry about how it's not fair that you can't find your favorite brand of crackers at the store. What a bunch of snowflakes, am I right?

Edited April 20, 2020 by lana-banana

[elaine567]

1 hour ago, lana-banana said:

Nobody's getting drafted or dying at Normandy.

We live in a world that is geared to most of us being able to survive quite easily from our sofas. Food and entertainment and even fitness on tap.
No-one is sniping at us or attempting to blow us up or asking us to spend a winter in the trenches but OMG 3 weeks of lockdown and it is an utter catastrophe to some...
 

[SincereOnlineGuy]

On 4/19/2020 at 1:04 PM, Ellener said:

 

Australia has so few cases precisely because of your strict measures, just be thankful you'll get back to normal soon.

No, more like Australia's remoteness, and the relatively small numbers of people who would have left the then-Australian summer to travel to the northern winter and bring home the virus.