Are women attracted to a more violent type in this sense?

[ironpony]

Back when I use to go to the bars with my friends a lot, back in my 20s, a few years ago, I noticed whenever someone started a bar fight, the bouncers would throw that person out and I noticed that the woman who would always follow him out, worried about the bouncers manhandling him, is probably the guys' gfs, since they were worried about them.  But the gfs who always followed them out were always really good looking.  Like if you would put them on a one to ten scale let's say, they were always no lower than an 8.

And this made me wonder, do really goodlooking women who would get a lot of male attention, tend to go for the more violent types who are just looking to start fights, and get thrown out of bars and nightclubs?  Not that I am saying a guy should be that way to attract more women, I am just asking if women go for that type, just as a curious observation?  Especially since I have seen it a lot over the years.  If a guy starts a fight in a bar, and is going to get thrown out, you can bet you will see hot gf is going to follow him out, it seems.  Does that sound about right, though?

[BaileyB]

Only young women who have been drinking and don’t know any better...

A more mature woman doesn’t date a guy who gets into fights at the bar. 

Edited April 27, 2020 by BaileyB

[alphamale]

those good looking women are probably more concerned that he protect and stand up for them

[K.K.]

Why you pressing on the ‘good looking’ part though? 😁 You’ve never seen any ugly women’s boyfriends getting the beat down and getting thrown out of bars? 

Maybe you meant ‘young’ women? I don’t think many women are going to be bar hopping with a caveman beyond a certain age. Unless they’re just drunks. People gotta get up in the morning and do stuff. Ain’t nobody got time for that. 

[d0nnivain]

20 somethings often mistake cocky / arrogant for confident & self assured.  It's the proverbial lure of the "bad boy".  Sane healthy women grow out of that phase.  

[stillafool]

Well you do hear women are attracted to bad boys and guys who easily get into fights are part of this group.

[carhill]

He's passionate and misunderstood. Dollars to donuts he's lean and angular. What's not to love?

[SumGuy]

Nope.  Just your sample size and cognitive bias.   
 

Edit: That and your research protocol.   A bar where this happens is a pretty self selecting place.  If you want better data on the women that are loyal to allegedly violent men go sit in on criminal court.    

Edited April 27, 2020 by SumGuy

[elaine567]

1 hour ago, carhill said:

He's passionate and misunderstood. Dollars to donuts he's lean and angular. What's not to love?

^^^This
Some women are attracted to power and for some demographics that may mean she is attracted to the guy who squares up to other guys in the bar.
And yes some women are attracted to "misunderstood" guys too.
She will "fix" him.
I also doubt such a guy is an unattractive specimen.
Good looking women are usually attracted to good looking men.

[ironpony]

3 hours ago, K.K. said:

Why you pressing on the ‘good looking’ part though? 😁 You’ve never seen any ugly women’s boyfriends getting the beat down and getting thrown out of bars? 

Maybe you meant ‘young’ women? I don’t think many women are going to be bar hopping with a caveman beyond a certain age. Unless they’re just drunks. People gotta get up in the morning and do stuff. Ain’t nobody got time for that. 

Yes I've never see an ugly woman follow the guy out.  It's always been the ones with goodlooking women who are thrown out that I've seen.  And I was wondering why that is?

Edited April 27, 2020 by ironpony

[ironpony]

56 minutes ago, elaine567 said:

^^^This
Some women are attracted to power and for some demographics that may mean she is attracted to the guy who squares up to other guys in the bar.
And yes some women are attracted to "misunderstood" guys too.
She will "fix" him.
I also doubt such a guy is an unattractive specimen.
Good looking women are usually attracted to good looking men.

Yes that's true the guys themselves are often goodlooking as well.  Does this mean that maybe goodlooking guys like to pick fights more than average looking guys perhaps then?

[ironpony]

3 hours ago, carhill said:

He's passionate and misunderstood. Dollars to donuts he's lean and angular. What's not to love?

But I thought that picking fights while you are with your gf can be dangerous though, because what if the person the guy throws a punch at decides to use the gf as a hostage to protect himself then?  Doesn't that put the gf in danger of being used as a possible hostage, and doesn't the gf realize this, of her passionate and misunderstood SO?

Edited April 27, 2020 by ironpony

[d0nnivain]

25 minutes ago, ironpony said:

Does this mean that maybe goodlooking guys like to pick fights more than average looking guys perhaps then?

No it does not.  Looks are subjective.  They are not indicative of any character traits  

[ironpony]

Well some of the guys were not that goodlooking either, but still had really goodlooking gfs that would follow them out after being thrown out for a fight.  So perhaps the really goodlooking women do not always go for looks when choosing a bf, and were attracted to their power perhaps?

Edited April 27, 2020 by ironpony

[stillafool]

Probably they see those types as extremely masculine if it's not for their looks.  They feel these guys will protect them.

[preraph]

The women I've known didn't want their men getting into fights.  I think what you may be seeing is that people at bars, a certain amount of them like a big scene with a lot of drama.  

 

I only enjoyed one bar fight.  A Russian band cut power in the middle of the next band's set because they'd been arguing about who headlined before.  I actually knew both bands, one better than the other, but I had hung with the Russian band some months before.  I had hung a lot more with the other band and they were friends.  Anyway, I think the Russian band thought the other band were probably sissies as they wore some makeup and one had big multicolored hair, but my pretty-boy friends kicked their ass in a hurry.   

Edited April 27, 2020 by preraph

[Miss Spider]

Bad boys...a lot of women like them. They see it as confident, strong, alpha, dominant, physical protectors. Not really my 'cuppa, but yeah, a lot of women are into that sort of thing. Not all. 

Edited April 27, 2020 by Cookiesandough

[Miss Spider]

2 hours ago, ironpony said:

Yes that's true the guys themselves are often goodlooking as well.  Does this mean that maybe goodlooking guys like to pick fights more than average looking guys perhaps then?

Or maybe the traits associated high test i.e. masculinity (strong jawline, broadened face and shoulder) are what you find 'good looking' and that explains the heightened aggression. 

Edited April 27, 2020 by Cookiesandough

[ironpony]

1 hour ago, stillafool said:

Probably they see those types as extremely masculine if it's not for their looks.  They feel these guys will protect them.

That makes logical sense, it's just that when you see that the guys are the ones starting the fights, cause usually it starts out with yelling, which makes everyone notices, and then you see these guys first to attack and beat up, it puts women in more danger though doesn't it?

A guy who starts fights, puts the gf in the position of someone victim of the attack making her a hostage, or friends of the victim making her a hostage.  So do the women not see that they are being in put in danger by those types of bfs, rather than being protected?

Edited April 27, 2020 by ironpony

[stillafool]

6 minutes ago, ironpony said:

That makes logical sense, it's just that when you see that the guys are the ones starting the fights, cause usually it starts out with yelling, which makes everyone notices, and then you see these guys first to attack and beat up, it puts women in more danger though doesn't it?

A guy who starts fights, puts the gf in the position of someone victim of the attack making her a hostage, or friends of the victim making her a hostage.  So do the women not see that they are being in put in danger by those types of bfs, rather than being protected?

TBH, I've never like those types for the very reasons you listed.  Most women don't like to be around men who like to fight so who and what type of women are you talking about?  Maybe those cute girls also to like to get in fights.  Without knowing more about them all it's hard to say.

 

[poppyfields]

3 hours ago, ironpony said:

Yes I've never see an ugly woman follow the guy out.  It's always been the ones with goodlooking women who are thrown out that I've seen.  And I was wondering why that is?

Because good looking women are constantly getting hit on in bars, and if the woman is his girlfriend, guy's gonna want to kick that guy's a**!!  Lol

 

[ironpony]

Well I had a gf before a few years ago, who was very goodlooking and she would get hit on a lot by guys in bars.  But I would never attack the guys for it.  She insinuated that she wanted me to but I told her that I did it for her own protection and that if I attacked a guy who hit on you, that his friends, could use gang up on on you and use you as a hostage to get me to stop.  So I told her it was for her own protection that I didn't attack a group of guys, but do you think she was turned off by that as seemed to possibly be?

[poppyfields]

4 minutes ago, ironpony said:

Well I had a gf before a few years ago, who was very goodlooking and she would get hit on a lot by guys in bars.  But I would never attack the guys for it.  She insinuated that she wanted me to but I told her that I did it for her own protection and that if I attacked a guy who hit on you, that his friends, could use gang up on on you and use you as a hostage to get me to stop.  So I told her it was for her own protection that I didn't attack a group of guys, but do you think she was turned off by that as seemed to possibly be?

Yes, she may have been.  

How were things after that happened? 

[Miss Spider]

50 minutes ago, ironpony said:

Well I had a gf before a few years ago, who was very goodlooking and she would get hit on a lot by guys in bars.  But I would never attack the guys for it.  She insinuated that she wanted me to but I told her that I did it for her own protection and that if I attacked a guy who hit on you, that his friends, could use gang up on on you and use you as a hostage to get me to stop.  So I told her it was for her own protection that I didn't attack a group of guys, but do you think she was turned off by that as seemed to possibly be?

It's def possible. Can confirm uglies get hit on in bars too lol and from my experience of having one exBF who would just stand there and do NOTHING most of the time except like when a guy threw a drink on HIM.  It was kind of unattractive.  Idk, maybe I like my guy to be a little bit less passive. but that has nothing to do with FIGHTING. The fact that she wanted you to fight them seems kind of bizarre to me. That seems like a big escalation and doesn't need to happen usually. Maybe shhe just likes the attention of two dudes fighting for her?..But hey...whatever floats your boat

Edited April 27, 2020 by Cookiesandough
clarity

[thefooloftheyear]

35 minutes ago, ironpony said:

Well I had a gf before a few years ago, who was very goodlooking and she would get hit on a lot by guys in bars.  But I would never attack the guys for it.  She insinuated that she wanted me to but I told her that I did it for her own protection and that if I attacked a guy who hit on you, that his friends, could use gang up on on you and use you as a hostage to get me to stop.  So I told her it was for her own protection that I didn't attack a group of guys, but do you think she was turned off by that as seemed to possibly be?

Bizarre reasoning...

I don't know if she was turned off or not, but most women would probably look sideways at that ....

Most women lose respect for guys that are passive and laydowns....I don't really care what they say...You see it all the time and it doesn't necessarily mean it has to come to blows...

The whole bar scene is a poor example though...Having worked in clubs, I can tell you that some of these women would almost use it as a "test" to see if they flirted or just presented themselves in such a way to receive unwanted attention, would their guy just stand there like an idiot or will he step up.....then you often get fists and wrestling...Alcohol just intensifies it...

The message to take from this(even on a small scale) is not that women necessarily like a boisterous drunk that likes to get thrown out of bars or get his teeth knocked in, but they want to know that as a man, you are the type that could be counted on, to have confidence and fearlessness...It doesn't even necessarily have to have anything to do with physical strength or ability to kick another guys ass...You hear women all the time talking about the need to be with a "protector"...that's the kind of behavior that they look for...They know it's not to be taken literally..

IME, the women I know with passive guys are usually super brassy themselves, so the dynamic there can work as the "traditional" roles just get reversed...But the majority of women don't want to be in that position with a guy, so they expect that the guy have some seeds.....so to speak...

TFY