Gone With the Wind - Is Gone ("Temporarily" from Some Streaming/Broadcast Services)

[basil67]

Ok, so I did some research.   Fro what I understand, it’s not gone.  Rather, HBO have temporarily pulled it while they write a disclaimer.   It’s still quite available should one want to buy a DVD copy if they are desperate to see it in the meantime.

I already own my DVD copy

[Ellener]

5 hours ago, basil67 said:

(sorry Ellener)

That's okay.

5 hours ago, enigma32 said:

I think you will really struggle to find a Trump supporter out there agreeing with protests that burn down cities, or tearing down statues, or banning Gone With the Wind.

The Black Lives Matter protests aren't burning down cities. Gone with the Wind isn't banned. There were peaceful requests to remove all these statues for decades.

People who aligned themselves with the president just weeks ago marched with assault rifles to protest pandemic lockdowns. During the last presidential election people displayed confederate flags and bumper stickers with snakes, or saying stuff like I'll Keep My Money, Guns, and Religion…You can Keep The Change. 

 

[BC1980]

7 hours ago, enigma32 said:

I don't blame ALL of the left. I don't see any group of people as a monolith, whether they be one race, gender, or political party. However, I think you will really struggle to find a Trump supporter out there agreeing with protests that burn down cities, or tearing down statues, or banning Gone With the Wind. I think that those acts are almost exclusively done by factions on the Left, and they seem to quickly be taking over the Democratic party. 

I think liberals and progressives are very different. I also think there is a segment of progressivism that is totalitarianism. They want to police what people think and do. It's illiberal.

[CaliforniaGirl]

2 hours ago, BC1980 said:

I think liberals and progressives are very different. I also think there is a segment of progressivism that is totalitarianism. They want to police what people think and do. It's illiberal.

“They” do? And conservatives want to police what people do with their bodies, whom they marry and a thousand other “policing” actions. We could do this all day,  if we want to keep being led around by the nose by emotional inaccurate tweets and a created climate of extreme divisiveness.

[BC1980]

2 hours ago, CaliforniaGirl said:

“They” do? And conservatives want to police what people do with their bodies, whom they marry and a thousand other “policing” actions. We could do this all day,  if we want to keep being led around by the nose by emotional inaccurate tweets and a created climate of extreme divisiveness.

Conservatives have their own history and issues with policing people, but this thread is not about that. 

[CaliforniaGirl]

14 minutes ago, BC1980 said:

Conservatives have their own history and issues with policing people, but this thread is not about that. 

Why then is it about "the left"?

I was correcting a.comment about how I'm not one of those "leftists who loot and burn down buildings" and further comments about how "the left" wants to police everything. My reply was 100% appropriate to those assertions. 

[Erik30]

On 6/12/2020 at 4:47 PM, Cookiesandough said:

I fcking lost it when I heard PAW PATROL could be banned because it is "inaccurately positive depiction of police force" LOL it's a bunch of talking puppies who are rescue personnel and thats the biggest "inaccuracy" you can see here. xD

Already been said in this thread, but people were just joking about canceling Paw Patrol and then some conservatives (including politicians) thought they were being serious... I still see them crying about it online like it's real.

But I wouldn't be surprised if the cancel crowd goes after Ace Ventura because of that twist at the end of the movie. If you've seen it, you know what I'm talking about. I think it's funny, but I guess it might be "problematic" for some in 2020. (Hope I didn't give them any ideas 😅) 

[NuevoYorko]

Ultimately, everyone will be able to watch "Gone With the Wind" and "Birth of a Nation" on Netflix.  I predict this will be within a week or two.  It's all been a bit of a kneejerk reaction but in a positive direction.  People who love "Gone With the Wind" and who have never even considered the depiction of black people in the movie or the experiences of the actors will have another context with witch to view the film.  What's wrong with that?

My personal stance is that  art, literature, propaganda pieces, etc. should never be banned.  And these movies are not banned.  

Please, let's not conflate the removal of statues and the situation with the movies.  I do not agree that the removal of statues is an empty gesture.  The USA should NOT be honoring any national symbols or leaders of the Confederate states.  They were not a part of the USA and were at war with the USA.  Yes, the Civil War was about slavery.  "We" do not need to be honoring that any more than Germany needs to be flying a swastika flag or having statues of the Third Reich.  

That said - I certainly would never want "Mein Kampf," the films of Leni Riefenstahl, or "proslavery fiction" to be banned.  We need to be able to see these things.

[jspice]

How many of them would’ve been able to get in those police officers’ faces wielding their guns, had they been Black? 
They wouldn’t even be allowed in the door had they not been White. 
 

I’m not condoning violence from protesters but don’t you understand that when you are not heard, not listened to, that your anger and frustration boil over?
 

Black people are shot at a distance because police THINK they have a gun. Those White pandemic protesters actually HAD guns. Right up close to the police. How many were put in a chokehold? How many had someone sit on the neck? How many were beat like a lot of peaceful protesters have been in the last weeks? 
 

THAT is the problem. 

[elaine567]

Yes an armed "brigade" of Black guys with assault rifles, would have been met with a different response I guess.

[gaius]

There's been armed black protestors at some of the rallies in Michigan and Wisconsin. And they were treated exactly like everyone else was.

Google "armed black protestors" and you'll find plenty of pictures.

[DKT3]

The masses are usually fairly ignorant about the things going on that dont directly impact them in the moment.  They have been blacklisting and pulling movies and programs with racially insensitive and homophobic material for two decades.  Those with minor references have been edited. 

Now people want to pay attention and be upset. 

Sometimes its comical,  example, people cry and threaten to boycott the NFL if they allow players to take a knee because it's disrespectful to the flag and what it stands for, those same people are ok with flying the Confederate flag which represents  treason of the same flag and tyranny..namely our head political figure. Absolutely comical. 

[jspice]

1 hour ago, jspice said:

How many of them would’ve been able to get in those police officers’ faces wielding their guns, had they been Black? 
They wouldn’t even be allowed in the door had they not been White. 
 

I’m not condoning violence from protesters but don’t you understand that when you are not heard, not listened to, that your anger and frustration boil over?
 

Black people are shot at a distance because police THINK they have a gun. Those White pandemic protesters actually HAD guns. Right up close to the police. How many were put in a chokehold? How many had someone sit on the neck? How many were beat like a lot of peaceful protesters have been in the last weeks? 
 

THAT is the problem. 

I don’t really know what was so funny about my post but that’s exactly the condescending attitude you and others have been displaying in regard to this topic. 
It’s fine. I understand that you don’t understand and thus have no real answer apart from the same arguments you’ve used over and over. 

[SincereOnlineGuy]

1 hour ago, enigma32 said:

I have never been a fan of pulling "insensitive" material. I can understand why schools might take a book like Huck Finn out of the curriculum since it has offensive language in it, but many schools have even removed it from their libraries, which I do not agree with. I feel the same way about GWTW. Slap a disclaimer on it and say it can be offensive. That's kinda what our rating system for movies is for, right? Say it's offensive and give people the option if they want to watch it. The woke crowd ain't happy about that though, they want it gone from platforms. People keep saying the Paw Patrol criticism was a joke but not everyone was joking. I won't be surprised if it gets pulled like Cops did. 

Oh, and I don't fly the Confederate flag, either. 

 

Y'know...   INasmuch as I have innocent  memories of    "The Five Chinese Brothers"...

 

I don't have any problem seeing and understanding WHY our world has removed it from book lists for elementary school students.

 

AND IF...  we as a society could just somehow rid ourselves of the minimally-intended slights  of various people/groups all around us...  

then it would be much easier to notice and call-out  those who are way out of bounds with hatred (in ways that your Elementary School teacher wasn't labeled, just because she gave you the 'Weekly Reader' with the book list in the back, which happened to included "The Five Chinese Brothers").

 

We must be evolving in a positive direction at least SOME...   because you can look back and see differences in things that used to seem so 'normal' .

 

 

[DKT3]

46 minutes ago, SincereOnlineGuy said:

 

Y'know...   INasmuch as I have innocent  memories of    "The Five Chinese Brothers"...

 

I don't have any problem seeing and understanding WHY our world has removed it from book lists for elementary school students.

 

AND IF...  we as a society could just somehow rid ourselves of the minimally-intended slights  of various people/groups all around us...  

then it would be much easier to notice and call-out  those who are way out of bounds with hatred (in ways that your Elementary School teacher wasn't labeled, just because she gave you the 'Weekly Reader' with the book list in the back, which happened to included "The Five Chinese Brothers").

 

We must be evolving in a positive direction at least SOME...   because you can look back and see differences in things that used to seem so 'normal' .

 

 

Normal...there was a time when Archie Bunker was normal.  

The problem is so many believe it's not a problem at all.  That it's an extinct ideology...racism. 

This making of a new normal isnt new. Its happened over and over and alway met with resistance, from Medici overwhelming wealth crushing the rule of nobility in 15 century Europe to what's going on today. Resistance always fall because humans are mostly good at heart and realize harmony breeds prosperity.  Some simply see it as a personal attack on their (most of the time) archaic and self serving often parasitic lifestyle.

In the overall grand scheme gone with the wind is insignificant.  I would guess fewer then 5% of sub 30ers even know what it is. 

I know the resistance will counter with where will it stop?? Answer,  when we've established a NEW NORMAL. 

[basil67]

7 hours ago, enigma32 said:

 The woke crowd ain't happy about that though, they want it gone from platforms.

That was a cheap shot at woke people there.   It's hardly like they've got the corner on the market when it comes to wanting censorship.  Plenty of conservative folk have also wanted particular books banned.  Books which contain diverse families, sex, swearing, blasphemy, and poor old Harry Potter with his spells.    

I think it would be fairer to lump all of those who want books, movies or art banned into the same basket and not take aim at any particular subset of people.  

[Libby1]

8 hours ago, DKT3 said:

in the overall grand scheme gone with the wind is insignificant.  I would guess fewer then 5% of sub 30ers even know what it is. 

I doubt any sub 30ers with a serious interest in films haven't heard of Gone With The Wind.  Others might develop more of an interest in historical films as they get older and  perhaps become more curious about the history of the culture they live in.  GWTW is the highest grossing film of all time (adjusted for inflation).  That's not insignificant.

Edited June 15, 2020 by Libby1

[simpycurious]

1 minute ago, Libby1 said:

I doubt any sub 30ers with a serious interest in films haven't heard of Gone With The Wind.  Others might develop more of an interest in historical films as they get older and  perhaps become more curious about the history of the culture they live in.  GWTW is the highest grossing film of all time (adjusted for inflation).  That's not insignificant.

I just think it's terrible to "do away" with pieces of history.  Yes, I think slavery was terrible but it happened and but if generations don't learn from past mistakes then they may make them again at some point.  I do believe MOST can watch a film like GWTW and realize that slavery was BAD.

[schlumpy]

11 hours ago, SincereOnlineGuy said:

We must be evolving in a positive direction at least SOME...   because you can look back and see differences in things that used to seem so 'normal' .

Change only means that you displace one idol with another. No, I don't thing that is a the positive direction at all. Positive is where I get employ my freewill to make a decision that likely only affects me. You deciding what I should read is not acceptable.

Although I do support the concept that some books are not appropriate for children to read until they reach the age of reason.

BTW, I've never heard of "The Five Chinese Brothers." I will look it up today to see if it should be on book list.

Edited June 15, 2020 by schlumpy

[DKT3]

3 hours ago, Libby1 said:

I doubt any sub 30ers with a serious interest in films haven't heard of Gone With The Wind.  Others might develop more of an interest in historical films as they get older and  perhaps become more curious about the history of the culture they live in.  GWTW is the highest grossing film of all time (adjusted for inflation).  That's not insignificant.

It was the highest earning film until the 1960's.  And yes its insignificant.  Nothing about that film was either groundbreaking or contained historical value. It's just a decent movie, some believe great. But ultimately insignificant.  

Its also a movie that isnt on any kind of rotation,  those interested in it can still use the same avenue to watch as they would have had to anyways.

[rjc149]

Getting people to understand the Gone with the Wind promotes a Lost Cause fiction of the Civil War will not be achieved by banning it. A more recent movie, Gods and Generals is far more overt and shameless Lost Cause propaganda, and it was made in 2003. 

Getting people to understand the evil of the Confederacy will not be achieved by sanitizing it from view. Case in point -- in Japan, there is a cultural amnesia about what happened between 1933 and 1945 because it's been largely erased from collective view. Japanese school children are thus largely ignorant of the scope and scale of the profoundly psychotic brutality, gleeful mass rape and genocide, and unspeakable crimes against humanity committed by Imperial Japan. Some of those Japanese doctors performing "experiments" on human subjects make the Nazis look relatively humane. Thus, our use of nuclear weapons against them is usually seen are more perverse, unprovoked, and unjust, then Allied firebombing of German cities. We are simply not as educated about Japan's crimes as we are about Germany's. 

This is why removing reminders of the Confederacy is dangerous. The solution to reckoning with our crimes is not to induce cultural amnesia about it. The expression of outrage by "punishing" symbols of Confederate legacy is understandable, but it's at the expense of something much more significant and important to society. 

And as is relevant to a dating forum, Rhett Butler's mic drop at the end is what all men, and women, should do when they are continually disrespected by their partner. 

Edited June 15, 2020 by rjc149

[SincereOnlineGuy]

5 hours ago, schlumpy said:

You deciding what I should read is not acceptable.

BTW, I've never heard of "The Five Chinese Brothers." I will look it up today to see if it should be on book list.

 

Here's a person who is sure that I shouldn't decide what he should read, yet he is going to decide for all of you whether "The Five Chinese Brothers" should be on your book lists.

 

 

[BC1980]

22 hours ago, CaliforniaGirl said:

Why then is it about "the left"?

I was correcting a.comment about how I'm not one of those "leftists who loot and burn down buildings" and further comments about how "the left" wants to police everything. My reply was 100% appropriate to those assertions. 

Because this thread is about some progressives/leftists (terms differ) that want to get rid of "Gone with the Wind." It's not about what conservatives want to get rid of though I'm sure we could start a thread on that if there is interest. 

[schlumpy]

54 minutes ago, SincereOnlineGuy said:

Here's a person who is sure that I shouldn't decide what he should read, yet he is going to decide for all of you whether "The Five Chinese Brothers" should be on your book lists

Sorry about that. My fingers sometimes skip words. It should have read "I will look it up to see if it should be on my book list."

I am not concerned about what others read.

[Libby1]

6 minutes ago, schlumpy said:

I am not concerned about what others read.

I'm disappointed that you missed a "frankly, my dear, I don't give a damn" opportunity.