Are more women content on remaining unattached?

[Azincourt]

9 minutes ago, basil67 said:

Sex work is also legal in Australia.  Our sex workers pay tax, can press charges if they are assaulted or raped, have OH&S and easy access to medical care.  They also have a respectable presence in the disability sector.   (edit: probably only respectable to progressives 🤔)

 

Yeah, that's completely different from sex-traffick and street prostitution, where most of the women are abused, are in terrible danger, have pimps, and are being paid a very low price for the services they provide.

[Zona]

I think to a large degree, red-pill is just the male version of feminism. Both movements have their nut jobs, but also have legitimate issues that they advocate for.

The Washington Post put together a really good article about prostitution.

Lies, damned lies and sex work statistics

I think in countries where they have legalized it, the incidence of trafficking has been found to be extremely low (many studies from New Zealand and Australia have looked into it). 

Prostitution laws are a joke in the U.S.  Advocates of prohibition claim that the laws are designed to protect women. How does giving them a criminal record help them? In fact, once it is decriminalized, women can come forward to report crimes committed against them without fear of being arrested.

Using the logic of prohibitionists, we could say selling cars should be made completely illegal since some of the cars being sold are stolen🤪. Don't conflate human trafficking with prostitution by women who want to do it. Totally different issues.

[CaliforniaGirl]

3 hours ago, Zona said:

I think to a large degree, red-pill is just the male version of feminism. Both movements have their nut jobs, but also have legitimate issues that they advocate for.

The Washington Post put together a really good article about prostitution.

Lies, damned lies and sex work statistics

I think in countries where they have legalized it, the incidence of trafficking has been found to be extremely low (many studies from New Zealand and Australia have looked into it). 

Prostitution laws are a joke in the U.S.  Advocates of prohibition claim that the laws are designed to protect women. How does giving them a criminal record help them? In fact, once it is decriminalized, women can come forward to report crimes committed against them without fear of being arrested.

Using the logic of prohibitionists, we could say selling cars should be made completely illegal since some of the cars being sold are stolen🤪. Don't conflate human trafficking with prostitution by women who want to do it. Totally different issues.

What??? Red pill advocates for getting guys laid by automatically assigning them females to f*ck. Feminism advocates women being able to survive through their own hard work just like men do, being able to "own" themselves and their own lives rather than literally being owned. This is a parallel???

[Azincourt]

5 hours ago, Zona said:

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I think to a large degree, red-pill is just the male version of feminism. Both movements have their nut jobs, but also have legitimate issues that they advocate for.

Not really.

Feminism came about in the Western Nations because women had been used as merchandise and as property for the last 200,000 to 300,000 years.

Women weren't allowed to buy property, and when they inherited something from their family, they could only take possession by getting a man's name(her husband, her father, or her brother) on the house's deed. Women weren't allowed to have jobs, and they had no saying on the man they got married to.  The guy was picked by her father, and he was selected for her due to the suitor's family wealth and social position.

The hotter and younger she was, the more suitors she had. The more eligible bachelors wanted to marry. That is to say, rich and powerful men. Many times you'd have a 18 year old woman with a 30 year old man and unless we're talking about a 30 year old Ryan Gosling back then, women felt like they were marrying their own fathers.

Western women had no rights before feminism. Now they're our equals and that's pretty great. They have jobs, they buy their own houses, they don't expect a man to pay for the dates or to have a car, and they select their partners based on their own criteria, as it should be.

The red pill is garbage. It has nothing to do with feminism.

The red pill is mostly made up of bitter middle-aged men who are angry over getting divorced by their ex-wives and losing half of what they owned.  Then you have the other group of people who are part of the red pill. Young men who were born and raised on a diet of hardcore porn, who spent their formative years playing video games, and drinking soda and eating doritos all day.

Men in the western world have it so easy.  No one is expecting us to have 20,000 dollars and our own house before we're 25 if we want to get married, like dudes are forced to have in Saudi Arabia if they're looking to get married. You can chill and have a dead-end job and still live with roomates and hook-up with attractive women in their late teens and early 20s despite being in your 30s, because you took good care of yourself. No sugars, no fast food, no drinking, no cigarettes, and you respect yourself to take care of your body.

Nearly every man in Europe and America has it made and they don't even know it.

5 hours ago, Zona said:

 

 

The Washington Post put together a really good article about prostitution.

Lies, damned lies and sex work statistics

I think in countries where they have legalized it, the incidence of trafficking has been found to be extremely low (many studies from New Zealand and Australia have looked into it). 

Prostitution laws are a joke in the U.S.  Advocates of prohibition claim that the laws are designed to protect women. How does giving them a criminal record help them? In fact, once it is decriminalized, women can come forward to report crimes committed against them without fear of being arrested.

Using the logic of prohibitionists, we could say selling cars should be made completely illegal since some of the cars being sold are stolen🤪. Don't conflate human trafficking with prostitution by women who want to do it. Totally different issues.

What is this obsession with prostitution?

Prostitution is legalized in several European Countries and most European men will never use the services of a sex worker.  Most of the guys who do visit sex workers are either socially awkward young men who think going up to a woman is too troublesome, and middle-aged men whose wives don't want sex anymore, or the guys got a beer gut and lost their hair or whatever and the wife lost attraction.

The vast majority of men do not need to visit an escort or a brothel to get casual sex from an attractive young woman.

[Azincourt]

5 hours ago, CaliforniaGirl said:

What??? Red pill advocates for getting guys laid by automatically assigning them females to f*ck. Feminism advocates women being able to survive through their own hard work just like men do, being able to "own" themselves and their own lives rather than literally being owned. This is a parallel???

 

Exactly. Red pillers and ''incels'' are misogynist. They don't want women to be equals to them. They don't want women to be free to choose their sexual partners because they feel that if women can select the men they sleep with, no woman is going to pick them. They have the same the patriarchal worldview of how women and relationships should be like, they just happen to be born in western nations.

Feminism and the Men's rights movement and the red pill and the ''incels'' have nothing in common with each other.

[Zona]

I don't subscribe to the red-pill philosophy so I don't feel any need to defend it. However, I do think it pays to listen to everyone to see their point of view without using straw man arguments and stereotyping to instantly dismiss their concerns. That's just being closed minded.

I'm not sure how I am obsessed with prostitution. It came up in this thread. As a libertarian (old school liberal) it bugs me when the government meddles in (and ruins) the lives of people when it is unnecessary. Personally I would never use the services of a prostitute even if I became desperately lonely. I find it morally repugnant.

Edited June 22, 2020 by Zona

[Els]

LTRs and marriages aren't for everyone, regardless of gender. I'm very much a LTR kind of person myself, but I don't think it's too much of a stretch to imagine that different people want different things.

[Azincourt]

13 minutes ago, Zona said:

I don't subscribe to the red-pill philosophy so I don't feel any need to defend it. However, I do think it pays to listen to everyone to see their point of view without using straw man arguments and stereotyping to instantly dismiss their concerns. That's just being closed minded.

I'm not sure how I am obsessed with prostitution. It came up in this thread. As a libertarian (old school liberal) it bugs me when the government meddles in (and ruins) the lives of people when it is unnecessary. Personally I would never use the services of a prostitute even if I became desperately lonely. I find it morally repugnant.

I've seen their point of view. They're frustrated that they can't buy a woman anymore like their grandfathers did before them. 

And it makes no sense for these young men to be this angry at women. Never in all the hundreds of thousands of years Mankind has existed for, never has it been this easy in this point in time in the western civilization for young men to have casual sex, one-night stands and romantic relationships with attractive women. They don't need to be high-earners. They don't need to own a car. They don't need to own a house.

All they need to do is to take care of themselves. Don't eat fast food, don't eat sugar, don't drink soda. And to be physically active. That's all.

Listen, a lack of sex has never ruined a man's life before. There have been men who've lived an entire life without having sex once either because there were very few women, or he had to take care of his aging parents and never managed to woo a woman.

Pope Francis had a girlfriend once. He still went on to become Pope. Sex is fun. But it's not life-altering.  A man needs water, food, medicine, and a roof over his head to survive and thrive. He doesn't need sex. All this obsession young men have with porn, sex, women is nothing more than a waste of their lives. Just chill. Work on yourself and women will come.

[Azincourt]

10 minutes ago, Elswyth said:

LTRs and marriages aren't for everyone, regardless of gender. I'm very much a LTR kind of person myself, but I don't think it's too much of a stretch to imagine that different people want different things.

Couldn't agree more. Different people have different dating strategies. Me, I'm not interested in a long-term relationship. Maybe I would if women were more open about the guy sleeping with other women at the same time he's dating them, but sadly I've only encountered a few. It's the way society teaches monogamy as the only true way to live one's lives, and the social pressure women face to be with a man and with just a man alone. Even if no one tells them, ''BAD GIRL NO. Only one guy at a time!''

She still feels like it would be wrong to  be in a relationship with 2, 3, or 5 guys at the same time.

[hotpotato]

On 6/21/2020 at 11:43 AM, Azincourt said:

Are you seriously saying that if women want to have a romantic relationship/marriage they need to become romantically involved with average-looking men, even when those women are hot, because physically attractive men don't want relationships?

The only men who are interested in something serious are plain-looking men? 

 I need to call my mother and have her build a golden statue for my father, because he got married to her when he was young and has been happily married to her for the past 40 years, and I dunno about where you live, but I don't think a 6 feet tall 200lbs at a low body fat despite being retired and doing nothing all day while being a Last of the Mohicans Daniel Day-Lewis clone would be considered ''average-looking'' even in the halls of Hollwood itself.

Don't be bitter. Work on yourself, hit the gym hard, and stop being envious of what the men who put work and effort into themselves have in their lives. 

This is one of the best times in history for women, as they are free to own a house, work a job, live on their own, and engage in casual sex/long-term relationships/marriage, whatever they want.

What you mean is this is the worst times in History for western men who want young, physically attractive women and feel they are entitled to their bodies and to have children with them, because they have money. 

Nah. 

Move to the Islamic Republic of Iran, dudes who think having money puts you in the same league of women like Sara Matos. Women in the west aren't for sale anymore.

That's not how I see it. There are a lot more beautiful women than beautiful men. There arent enough good looking men to go around. There are some gorgeous women dating gremlins. I see plenty of attractive women with lesser men in terms of looks. 

There are a lot more ugly men than ugly women. There are women who are not so pretty but have excellent ASSets. Most women have at least one thing that is beautiful about them. Being ugly to the bone is more of a man thing. 

Just trying to get a man who is in shape is a chore. Back 40 years ago men were a lot leaner. 

If your mom married a sexy, beautiful man, she got very lucky. 

As a single woman, being attached almost seems like a boondoggle. Straight men dont mind letting themselves go compared to gay men. 

As a single woman, dare I say it's really easy to be single bc straight men are not that hot in general. There are a lot of good looking guys... in Tinder. I can turn that off and ignore it. It's not the same as walking around and seeing a bunch of fine azz dudes. If I do see when, I also see his gf and kids. 

[chillii]

15 hours ago, Azincourt said:

Couldn't agree more. Different people have different dating strategies. Me, I'm not interested in a long-term relationship. Maybe I would if women were more open about the guy sleeping with other women at the same time he's dating them, but sadly I've only encountered a few. It's the way society teaches monogamy as the only true way to live one's lives, and the social pressure women face to be with a man and with just a man alone. Even if no one tells them, ''BAD GIRL NO. Only one guy at a time!''

She still feels like it would be wrong to  be in a relationship with 2, 3, or 5 guys at the same time.

 

Ahhh , you must be young , it's not society in most cases most women just want marriage and long term , one man. lt was like that in my 20s and still is now in my 50s later now after l was married a long time myself .When l was single every women l met later even 40s still wanted marriage or long term too, my gf now the same.

Not saying all want that by any means these days but eh after 25 yrs and ending up out there again l found not much had changed in that way, not for women l'd go for anyway. No ones talking them into it the sort of woman l go for or chick back in the day couldn't giva a fk what society or the herd did it's what they wanted, nothing more . And the same with my gf now,  52 she hated dating bullshyt with a passion , it made her sick to the stomach in her words, people made her sick , the mentality out there made her sick, she just wants to get back to building a new life with us now, our second chapter each.

l mean l know in their 20s and 30s yeah there is also that thing to get married , family , but eh any girl l ever knew back then wanted exactly that herself too anyway.

Edited June 23, 2020 by chillii

[Azincourt]

1 hour ago, chillii said:

 

Ahhh , you must be young ,

Not really. Sadly I'm already in my 30s. My youth is long past me now. What I wouldn't give to be 20 years old again and to be free to play soccer all day long and to hang out at the beach, marvelling at all the European babes who come from all over Europe, and the South Americans and Africans, and end up walking around topless and wearing tiny g-strings. In family-oriented beaches. It's insane!

 

1 hour ago, chillii said:

 

it's not society in most cases most women just want marriage and long term , one man.

Most women don't want marriage and children. They think they do, because hundreds of thousands of years of being told what to do, what to say, and what to want by MEN has lead to the creation of a worlwide female population that is brainwashed to take part in something that is extremely damaging to their physical and mental health.

Getting married, having children, or even merely co-habitating with their boyfriends is another item they need to check-out on their grocery list because women are pressured by their parents, by their family, and by their friends to get married. If they aren't married by a certain age people assume she either has mental problems or ''she's going to reach her old age only to find out that her career is not enough to feel fulfilled and happy with herself.''

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Women are happier without children or a spouse, says happiness expert

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We may have suspected it already, but now the science backs it up: unmarried and childless women are the happiest subgroup in the population. And they are more likely to live longer than their married and child-rearing peers, according to a leading expert in happiness.

That's the name of the article. Women are happier without children or a spouse, says happiness expert.

1 hour ago, chillii said:

 

 

lt was like that in my 20s and still is now in my 50s later now after l was married a long time myself .When l was single every women l met later even 40s still wanted marriage or long term too, my gf now the same.

They say that because it's expected of them. No one is going to take a woman seriously if she decides marriage isn't for her. It sounds good, you know, to say they are looking for marriage. It gives them a touch of credibility and, ''hmm, maybe I should date this woman, she sounds lovely because she's interested in something serious and long-term.''

It's like if you come up to me on the street and you ask me if I'm interested in marriage and children. What would I say?  Of course I'd say I'm interested in getting married, owning a house, and raising a couple of hellspawn.

When truth is, if you and I met at a nightclub, my answer to your question would be hell no. And I would tell you that if they wanted me, I would have sex with all of the thousands of women to be found in that nightclub.

People always want other people to think good about them.  That includes a hugeeeee number of women not being interested in marriage, co-habitation or in children, but who will claim to want marriage because it's what's expected of them.  Women for the most part end up regretting getting married. They feel empty and abused within a marriage, which is why, in Europe, where women are rich and can afford a divorce; the divorce rate in Belgium is at 89% and in another Country it's 90%, and in the next one it's about above 60%.

In the states the divorce rate is ''54%'' because women in America suffer a lower income due to their gender, they also have less job opportunities, and they take a lot longer to be promoted at their jobs because their bosses would rather upgrade their old boys club friends.

If equality existed in the states - true equality - the divorce rate would be closer to 80 to 85% then if you were to add all of the religious women who can't get a divorce because of their religion, the divorce rate woul be almost 100%.

1 hour ago, chillii said:

Not saying all want that by any means these days but eh after 25 yrs and ending up out there again l found not much had changed in that way, not for women l'd go for anyway. No ones talking them into it the sort of woman l go for or chick back in the day couldn't giva a fk what society or the herd did it's what they wanted, nothing more . And the same with my gf now,  52 she hated dating bullshyt with a passion , it made her sick to the stomach in her words, people made her sick , the mentality out there made her sick, she just wants to get back to building a new life with us now, our second chapter each.

l mean l know in their 20s and 30s yeah there is also that thing to get married , family , but eh any girl l ever knew back then wanted exactly that herself too anyway.

Women in their 20s are great.  You look good, you smell good, that's all that matters to them. They'd rather live at home with their parents rent-free with enough money from their jobs to buy new clothes every month, perfume, make-up,  Brazilian waxing, and then you meet, sleep with them, go home, and if you are lucky they never call you again and you repeat the same process with other women you meet along the way.

I don't know why women would give up on their independence and sexual freedom for a guy who is probably bad in bed, lazy, doesn't take care of himself, and feels entitled to sex when he doesn't evne bother changing his shirt - like it happens with man, many women who are married with a guy like this.

[Azincourt]

2 hours ago, hotpotato said:

That's not how I see it. There are a lot more beautiful women than beautiful men. There arent enough good looking men to go around. There are some gorgeous women dating gremlins. I see plenty of attractive women with lesser men in terms of looks. 

Yeah, I figured that one out when I was a teenager, as it dawned on me that beautiful women lower their standards all the time to get a boyfriend. So I moved to Europe when I was 18, looked around Liberal Arts college, as that's where most of the hot women are at, found me a college that had tens of thousands more female students than male students, noticed how the average woman was 5'9''+ naturally slender, clear skin, pretty, and I enrolled in the degree(s) that had the most women.

150 students. 148 women in that classroom alone.

It was so good that all I did was sit pretty and wait for women to approach me, and to my surprise not only did they approach me, but they asked me out, paid for my date, initiated sex, did everything really. I'm nothing special.

Average height compared  to the local population(6 feet) average weight(195lbs at 10% body fat) and a full head of thick blonde hair and green eyes. That's it.  All a man needs to do to become attractive to a majority of attractive women is to watch his diet, that is to say don't eat fast food. I met so many guys who were nothing special and they did fine with attractive women without spending time or money pursuing them.

Because when there are enormous quantities of attractive women walking around,  women who would be able of getting a rich NBA player back in the states now have to conform to what they can get, as men aren't desperate and thirsty and willing to sell their soul just to get a date.

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There are a lot more ugly men than ugly women. There are women who are not so pretty but have excellent ASSets. Most women have at least one thing that is beautiful about them. Being ugly to the bone is more of a man thing. 

I wouldn't say that. It's true that there are billions of men who are unattractive, but it's not like there aren't women who don't have success with men. Heck, I met beautiful women back in college who were 22 and were still virgins. Guys didn't approach them and these women were too shy to make a move, and when a guy did make a move  - the women would take just any guy.

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Just trying to get a man who is in shape is a chore. Back 40 years ago men were a lot leaner. 

I remember watching Marlon Brando in A Streetcar Named Desire, and my grandmother telling me that most men looked like that guy. I wonder what happened to men and women to be so different from the women and men we see in that movie.

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If your mom married a sexy, beautiful man, she got very lucky. 

I wouldn't say very lucky. People end up married to people who are in their league, looks wise. If my mother was unattractive and ended up married to a guy like who is say, a 6'2'' Tom Cruise, sure. I'd say she's very lucky. 

I see tens of thousands of decent-looking men everyday. Including middle-aged and elderly men who are fit and lean and still have a full head of hair on their shoulders. There's plenty of good men around.

But you know, that got me thinking, you saying there are very few men who are attractive and there are scores more of women who are attractive.

Why should women be forced to date men they are not attracted to because they want a boyfriend and these guys are the only guys around who are still single?

Why don't we change the way our society is built, from monogamy to pologamy?

Instead of having one girlfriend for one guy only..

Why not have a good-looking young man have 5, 10, 20 or 50 girlfriends at the same time?

That way everyone ends up happy, and women can enjoy sex without treating it as a chore, as many women do.

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As a single woman, dare I say it's really easy to be single bc straight men are not that hot in general. There are a lot of good looking guys... in Tinder. I can turn that off and ignore it. It's not the same as walking around and seeing a bunch of fine azz dudes. If I do see when, I also see his gf and kids. 

 

Edited June 23, 2020 by Azincourt

[hotpotato]

1 hour ago, Azincourt said:

Yeah, I figured that one out when I was a teenager, as it dawned on me that beautiful women lower their standards all the time to get a boyfriend. So I moved to Europe when I was 18, looked around Liberal Arts college, as that's where most of the hot women are at, found me a college that had tens of thousands more female students than male students, noticed how the average woman was 5'9''+ naturally slender, clear skin, pretty, and I enrolled in the degree(s) that had the most women.

150 students. 148 women in that classroom alone.

It was so good that all I did was sit pretty and wait for women to approach me, and to my surprise not only did they approach me, but they asked me out, paid for my date, initiated sex, did everything really. I'm nothing special.

Average height compared  to the local population(6 feet) average weight(195lbs at 10% body fat) and a full head of thick blonde hair and green eyes. That's it.  All a man needs to do to become attractive to a majority of attractive women is to watch his diet, that is to say don't eat fast food. I met so many guys who were nothing special and they did fine with attractive women without spending time or money pursuing them.

Because when there are enormous quantities of attractive women walking around,  women who would be able of getting a rich NBA player back in the states now have to conform to what they can get, as men aren't desperate and thirsty and willing to sell their soul just to get a date.

I wouldn't say that. It's true that there are billions of men who are unattractive, but it's not like there aren't women who don't have success with men. Heck, I met beautiful women back in college who were 22 and were still virgins. Guys didn't approach them and these women were too shy to make a move, and when a guy did make a move  - the women would take just any guy.

I remember watching Marlon Brando in A Streetcar Named Desire, and my grandmother telling me that most men looked like that guy. I wonder what happened to men and women to be so different from the women and men we see in that movie.

I wouldn't say very lucky. People end up married to people who are in their league, looks wise. If my mother was unattractive and ended up married to a guy like who is say, a 6'2'' Tom Cruise, sure. I'd say she's very lucky. 

I see tens of thousands of decent-looking men everyday. Including middle-aged and elderly men who are fit and lean and still have a full head of hair on their shoulders. There's plenty of good men around.

But you know, that got me thinking, you saying there are very few men who are attractive and there are scores more of women who are attractive.

Why should women be forced to date men they are not attracted to because they want a boyfriend and these guys are the only guys around who are still single?

Why don't we change the way our society is built, from monogamy to pologamy?

Instead of having one girlfriend for one guy only..

Why not have a good-looking young man have 5, 10, 20 or 50 girlfriends at the same time?

That way everyone ends up happy, and women can enjoy sex without treating it as a chore, as many women do.

I agree with a lot you said aside from a few things. 

I remember when I first saw Dirty Harry. I was astounded by how lean the men were. Granted, everyone was smaller back then. However, fat is especially bad on a man. Some women actually look better with a few extra lbs. Fat lays on women different. There are some beautiful, hourglass shaped bbws out there. A fat man is just a fat man with a beer gut.

As far as unattractive women, many of them have killer bodies. One of my baristas was like. She was very homely in the face but had some serious knockers. Unattractive men often have laundry list of faults. 

Most couples I see looksmatch  or the woman is prettier. I rarely see good looking men with unattractive women.

Where are you finding these older, good looking guys? I rarely see them except on Tinder. There are plenty of older men who fantasize that they look good. The ones who do look good often come with baggage like 3,4,5 kids and baby momma drama. 

 I'd say one of the perks of being single and not looking is not having to drop physical standards. I have an off and on Tindr Fwb. He is a man ho lol. He essentially provides sexual services to a bevy of women. This is harsh, but I dont find most men necessary for sex. I also dont feel a need to have sex with a man just because. Many males in the animal kingdom dont have sex. The difference is most babies in nature mature in a few months. Stray cats had kittens in my yard, and they were on their own in a few months. Human babies take years to be self sufficient. Raising them is a lot of work to do for one person. 

 

 

[Mysterio]

Looking at my female friends and acquaintances.  Not one woman I see is single/happy and living it up.  I would say the guys lean towards being single and happy for the most part.  

My female friends that are attached seem to like it that way and are not looking at ways to emplod their status.  Its a big deal being single.  Its not like for myself.  I can date who ever I want and they are happy that I am focussing on them in a romantic way.  I don't get to go out with whoever I want to and have the fun that I want.  I think most women are very pickey with who they date.  Its not like my single friends are sloppy dressers and don't know how  to talk.  I almost feel like the women around my age range want some sort of fantasy where everything is perfect and every time they see us.  They are swept off their feet for the most part.  

I had a month relationship in April.  I loved it.  We had talks and laughs and made out and made love.  It was heaven.  More later.....

[Mysterio]

It feels like my parents in the late 60 who met in spring of 1968 and got married in November of 1969.  They had it easy.  I feel like my brother and I have it hard.  The women seem very difficult to go out with and have an ideal relationship with.  It feels like most women now a days are like this.  20/30's.  Eveything has to be a high octane adventure.  If its not.  Then the women can't consider that man a catch.  

Not one of my women friends that I know are super happy with out a romantic relationship.  Only two are single.  One is my ex.  She opted to be a single mother through invitro.  The other one is toying with the idea of having a long distance relationship.  

I think that most men if they could purge the desire for physical affection.  They would be alright with out a woman.  Most women to me it feels like its hard for them to give physical affection.  I rarely here my women friends saying that their SO does not touch or give physical affection.  I heard maybe one.  They almost divorced.  

 

[basil67]

15 minutes ago, Mysterio said:

Not one of my women friends that I know are super happy with out a romantic relationship. 

And I know quite a number who are super happy.  Some are open to finding the perfect man, but if he doesn't come along, they are fine with that too.  

[Mysterio]

What is the perfect man or woman?  All I want is interesting conversation and laughs. Physical Affection.  Throw in some recreational activities and going to Music gigs.   Alined morals and values as well and we are both single and free to be with each other and work out problems as they arise.  No bio kids between us or even Marriage.  We both stay fit and trim and stylish for each other.  

 

Edited June 25, 2020 by Mysterio

[basil67]

 @Mysterio  You say "all I want" as if you're not asking for much.   In your age bracket, women are likely to have a child and a marriage behind them.  Or they might want a child and don't have a few years to waste.   While it's a great goal to stay fit and trim for each other, you've written about your still ongoing weight loss journey, so you know first hand that maintaining weight is not easy for all.   And people change their priorities anyway.  To have physical affection for the duration of the relationship cannot be guaranteed because of hormones and other sexual dysfunction which can happen with age.   

She may also not like music gigs.  Or not like the music you like.  Some of my friends like to see these washed up old 70's and 80's bands who can barely pull 100 people to a gig but I'd rather stay home and watch Netflix than do that.   Last live gig I attended was Sisters of Mercy who pulled about 2,000 people and it was amazing.   But most of my friends would not attend that.  

If you're not willing to be flexible, join the ranks of those who are happy single but will have a relationship if the right one comes along.

 

 

[chillii]

They talk big , especially to their gf's but that never fooled me when l've been alone with one of them late at night, few drinks and the real truths coming out, saw it every time. No l'm not saying all, some sure might be genuinely happier single but so what who givesa fk. But if you put 10 in a line l bet you l'd pick the 8 pr 9 fulla shyt and bravado. And same goes for this wanting perfect talk. heard that bs plenty too few yrs later you see who she's really living and trying to make it work with, talk's cheap.. A lot of the time it's just to save face, l'd hands down prefer being a single guy looking as we get older than a single woman.

Edited June 25, 2020 by chillii

[basil67]

32 minutes ago, chillii said:

 so what who givesa fk. 

Kinda sums up the whole thread really.   If some women don't want to date, why is it anybody else's business?    

[chillii]

Haaa funny , exactly what l thought.

[CaliforniaGirl]

16 minutes ago, basil67 said:

Kinda sums up the whole thread really.   If some women don't want to date, why is it anybody else's business?    

This. And who ever said it was a majority of women? I thought the whole idea from the original poster was that it was so rare and he was shocked or whatever?

As far as "who GAF," though, I just spat out my soda. How many pages of women explaining why they can understand this, with men arguing every single step of the way at how we either shouldn't want to be alone, or are just lying and we really do want guys...or our reasons just aren't acceptable..or we don't know what we want...or we're going to change our minds...or it's all society's fault...or women feel so entitled....or blah...blah...blah....blah....

Um, yeah. I think we know who GAF. 😅

If it really is no big deal...let the women be. It's so simple. Guys, go ahead and put your money where your mouth is. Prove just how few Fs you G.

Voilà. Done.

 

Edited June 25, 2020 by CaliforniaGirl

[basil67]

20 minutes ago, CaliforniaGirl said:

This. And who ever said it was a majority of women?

Wow, I missed the comments about it being lots of women who'd given up on men  - I didn't realise there were so many! 😅   Though I do have a couple of friends who switched teams in their 50's 🏳️‍🌈

Edit to add: reading the comments on the 'is it abuse to not want to have sex with your partner' , and there are comments of "divorce her" if she no longer desires sex.   It's no wonder that women who do a lot of caring and raising and loving and household and planning are walking away from relationships if they are to be discarded like a scrap of rubbish if their sex drive tanks.   If we are so disposable, why bother in the first place?

Edited June 25, 2020 by basil67

[CaliforniaGirl]

1 minute ago, basil67 said:

Wow, I missed the comments about it being lots of women who'd given up on men 😅   Though I do have a couple of friends who switched teams in their 50's 🏳️‍🌈

I don't know...the OP said he wondered if the number is growing....I think there wasn't really a question that this isn't most or a huge number of women....now all of a sudden Chillii is announcing he knows only maybe 1 in 10 women who feels this way, as if that's a revelation (????) So who knows! Sorry, whoTF knows.

As for switching teams I personally have only known one...a friend's mother a long time ago... is that what this thread has turned into now? 🤷

How is it possible that it's less scandalous or weird for a woman to literally want to switch her sexual preference than to God forbid (somebody grab the holy water!!!!) just not want to date of remarry anymore?

I'll wait patiently for all that non-F giving to begin, so far no sight of that. 😂

But I'm patient.