Anti-Masker protesters spreading the infection

[BaileyB]

58 minutes ago, Piddy said:

I think you're over thinking this. 

There's no agenda except to help stop the spread of the virus.  Isn't it just common sense that if everyone where's a mask in an indoor public space, that it can help prevent the spread of the virus, since it's main source of transmission is thru droplets / particles. 

So again, why isn't it just common sense to cover your nose and mouth with a mask to help stop the spread?  I mean it's just logical thinking.  No conspiracy or ulterior motives .  No hidden agenda.  Just a good public safety measure.

It's kind of like mandating wearing a seat belt.  Evidence shows that wearing a seat belt can help prevent you from serious injury or death in a car accident.   No hidden agenda.  Just common sense.

Agree. But this is the thing, in this day and age where conspiracy theories abound and everyone seems to have an agenda, it feels like we have lost sight of what is basic common sense. 

If there is a simple solution and it will save lives - what are we debating here? Why is it that people are so reluctant to comply with something that seems like common sense. It makes no sense to me. 

[Timshel]

51 minutes ago, BaileyB said:

Why is it that people are so reluctant to comply with something that seems like common sense. It makes no sense to me. 

This is why I asked the question.  I sincerely would like to know.  I am able to type out my opinions all day but it won't have me one step closer to understanding.   What is the 'if there IS an agenda?'  What hypothetical agenda? 

[Piddy]

1 hour ago, BaileyB said:

Agree. But this is the thing, in this day and age where conspiracy theories abound and everyone seems to have an agenda, it feels like we have lost sight of what is basic common sense. 

If there is a simple solution and it will save lives - what are we debating here? Why is it that people are so reluctant to comply with something that seems like common sense. It makes no sense to me. 

I think it was Lincoln who said the problem with common sense is that it's not all that common.☺

Also, in recent years there's been an anti science movement in this country.  My guess is many of these anti mask people are anti vaccine also.

And  social media doesn't help allowing all these conspiracy theories to be propagated.

[QuietRiot]

2 hours ago, Piddy said:

I think it was Lincoln who said the problem with common sense is that it's not all that common.☺

Also, in recent years there's been an anti science movement in this country.  My guess is many of these anti mask people are anti vaccine also.

And  social media doesn't help allowing all these conspiracy theories to be propagated.

Yep, flat Earthers pretty much sealed the deal on stupidity in America.

[major_merrick]

10 hours ago, Kitty Tantrum said:

I had a big long reply typed up but it got eaten. The long and short of it, though, is that civil disobedience won't get you far in the grocery stores around here. Even if the mask mandates ultimately prove to be unenforceable, you'll get booted for trespassing if you refuse to wear a mask AND refuse to leave, and that's that.

Since Walmart declared their intention to force everybody to wear masks, our sheriff made his own declaration for our county.  He acknowledges businesses' right to post whatever signs they want to.  However, if they call about somebody "trespassing" by not wearing a mask he has instructed his deputies to ignore it.  In other words, no law enforcement assistance for a business acting against people's freedom.  And that includes the small Walmart in the county seat. 

Thank God I live in a place where we still have some common sense.  I'd love to see businesses receive citations for bothering the police by calling them about those who don't wear masks. 

7 hours ago, Piddy said:

Also, in recent years there's been an anti science movement in this country.  My guess is many of these anti mask people are anti vaccine also.

I'm not against science.  I'm against government propaganda and leftist agendas that masquerade as science.  I am against scientists constantly pursuing an agenda to fundamentally change this nation into something out of Orwell's worst nightmares. 

[NuevoYorko]

1 minute ago, major_merrick said:

 

I'm not against science.  I'm against government propaganda and leftist agendas that masquerade as science.  I am against scientists constantly pursuing an agenda to fundamentally change this nation into something out of Orwell's worst nightmares. 

The only thing that validly refutes science is better science.  Conspiracy theories don't accomplish it.  Of course we are all entitled to our belief systems, but my position is that no one's fancies should impact the lives of anyone who hasn't consciously gotten on board with them.  

[CaliforniaGirl]

11 hours ago, Kitty Tantrum said:

I had a big long reply typed up but it got eaten. The long and short of it, though, is that civil disobedience won't get you far in the grocery stores around here. Even if the mask mandates ultimately prove to be unenforceable, you'll get booted for trespassing if you refuse to wear a mask AND refuse to leave, and that's that.

Stores in my area won't even honor medical exemptions for in-store shopping now that the state has imposed (IIRC) a $10k fine on businesses that fail to require masks. If you say you can't wear a mask, they don't care why; they offer you curbside pickup (no mask required).

I think it's absurd, but we haven't yet reached the point where I'd be willing to engage in any civil disobedience, and I don't think the grocery store is the place to do it. If/when I reach that point, I imagine most of the shopkeepers and business owners will be with me.

Right now they're either scared for their health or they're being bullied by the government into policing the public. Possibly a little of both. Neither of those things makes them my enemy.

Anyone who is worried about the precedents being set here, anyone who is inclined at this point to make a stink about it, might do well to consider that if this whole thing IS being blown out of proportion to serve an agenda, then the kind of civil disobedience that puts you directly at odds with your neighbors might just be playing right into the "divide and conquer" strategy.

The divide and conquer strategy has been employed continuously via comments and tweets for 3.5 years now. And that's not even a conspiracy theory. We have literally watched it, listened to it, read it. We have not been this divided since the Civil War. And not because of some invisible agenda. It is visible, we have watched it for 3 years now. Nothing hidden at all.

Want to know who's pulling your strings, really? Think about it. Hook. Line. Sinker.

Now something real is going on. And people are so indoctrinated and isolated from a VARIETY of information sources - because just ONE can be trusted - that they'll step right out into potential sickness and even death to prove a point.

Think about it.

[CaliforniaGirl]

23 minutes ago, NuevoYorko said:

The only thing that validly refutes science is better science.  Conspiracy theories don't accomplish it.  Of course we are all entitled to our belief systems, but my position is that no one's fancies should impact the lives of anyone who hasn't consciously gotten on board with them.  

This.

[Piddy]

6 hours ago, major_merrick said:

Since Walmart declared their intention to force everybody to wear masks, our sheriff made his own declaration for our county.  He acknowledges businesses' right to post whatever signs they want to.  However, if they call about somebody "trespassing" by not wearing a mask he has instructed his deputies to ignore it.  In other words, no law enforcement assistance for a business acting against people's freedom.  And that includes the small Walmart in the county seat. 

Thank God I live in a place where we still have some common sense.  I'd love to see businesses receive citations for bothering the police by calling them about those who don't wear masks. 

I'm not against science.  I'm against government propaganda and leftist agendas that masquerade as science.  I am against scientists constantly pursuing an agenda to fundamentally change this nation into something out of Orwell's worst nightmares. 

Most states have a seatbelt law.  Do you wear your seatbelt?   I would bet Wal-Mart requires shoes to be worn in their stores.

Requiring shoes is a safety issue, just as requiring masks.  No one is trying to control you.  Just trying to protect you from contracting or spreading the virus.

I put common sense ahead of unproven conspiracy theories.  Requiring masks is a public health issue, not a leftist conspiracy to take away your rights.

And I would think Wal-Mart or any business can throw you out for any reason as long as they don't violate someone's civil rights.

Asking people to wear shoes or a mask in the time of a pandemic are public health / safety issues and not civil rights issues.

Again, not everything is a leftist conspiracy. Sometimes it's just common sense.

 

 

Edited July 16, 2020 by Piddy

[QuietRiot]

6 hours ago, major_merrick said:

Since Walmart declared their intention to force everybody to wear masks, our sheriff made his own declaration for our county.  He acknowledges businesses' right to post whatever signs they want to.  However, if they call about somebody "trespassing" by not wearing a mask he has instructed his deputies to ignore it.  In other words, no law enforcement assistance for a business acting against people's freedom.  And that includes the small Walmart in the county seat. 

Thank God I live in a place where we still have some common sense.  I'd love to see businesses receive citations for bothering the police by calling them about those who don't wear masks. 

I'm not against science.  I'm against government propaganda and leftist agendas that masquerade as science.  I am against scientists constantly pursuing an agenda to fundamentally change this nation into something out of Orwell's worst nightmares. 

Don't be surprised should a business owner draw a gun on someone or some kind of act of violence  that decides not to leave their business. Just sayin'. It may come to that over where you live, since the hick sheriff wont' do anything, well...business owners are going to take measures the cops won't.

Florida is a joke to everyone in the GLOBE. We are showing up on comedians (Trevor Noah's) radar even.

Oh, and this just happened. Anthony Sabatini went on CNN and got his ass ripped in the comments section.

 

Edited July 16, 2020 by QuietRiot

[QuietRiot]

43 minutes ago, Piddy said:

Most states have a seatbelt law.  Do you wear your seatbelt?   I would bet Wal-Mart requires shoes to be worn in their stores.

Requiring shoes is a safety issue, just as requiring masks.  No one is trying to control you.  Just trying to protect you from contracting or spreading the virus.

I put common sense ahead of unproven conspiracy theories.  Requiring masks is a public health issue, not a leftist conspiracy to take away your rights.

And I would think Wal-Mart or any business can throw you out for any reason as long as they don't violate someone's civil rights.

Asking people to wear shoes or a mask in the time of a pandemic are public health / safety issues and not civil rights issues.

Again, not everything is a leftist conspiracy. Sometimes it's just common sense.

 

 

Yep...it is kind of weird that no one his making a stink about the "not wearing shoes" in a store vs the new mask thing. I mean, seriously, what's the difference? lol

[IndigoNight]

I cannot wear a mask. I rarely go to stores, but when I do I stay away from people as much as possible. I live in a small town so home delivery isnt available. I sanitize, I respect social distancing (over 6ft when able), and I am always on guard waiting for someone to verbally assault me for not wearing a mask. I wait until stores are the least crowded. I do everything possible to not impact others. Yet, even with my service dog at my side, I get glared at. I have a doctors note with multiple reasons why I am unable to wear a mask, or face shield. I have tried them all, and within minutes I am gasping for air, drenched in sweat, and holding myself up on my service dog.

Not all non-mask wearers are rebelling. Some of us are unable to wear any facial covering. So, I only go out when I absolutely have to. Most days I am a prisoner in my home. I order online if I can, but there are limits to what I can buy. Is it fair that when I am in a store I fear people screaming at me? No! No one should be assaulted for no mask because you don't know why they aren't wearing one. And  no. I dont have anyone to shop for me.

I have donated mask making supplies for over 1,000 masks to a local group. I know if I get Covid I will likely die due to my health issues. I would love to walk in a store just once, and not be worried that someone will freak out. I have been tested. I am negative. Yet, I am treated like I am the walking plague. My depression has deepened to the point I don't want to leave my home. I don't even talk to my friends anymore because so many have told me I am selfish for not wearing a mask. I CAN"T! IVE TRIED! Masks, face shields, neck gators, you name it, Ive tried it. 

A little compassion would be nice, but I have gotten to the point I expect the worst from people. That's not like me. Yet, with so much negativity, it's hard to believe that there are people who understand, and still care.

Sorry to vent, but I am just so tired of it all. 

[vjk]

2 hours ago, Piddy said:

Most states have a seatbelt law.  Do you wear your seatbelt?   I would bet Wal-Mart requires shoes to be worn in their stores.

Requiring shoes is a safety issue, just as requiring masks.  No one is trying to control you.  Just trying to protect you from contracting or spreading the virus.

 

 

 

 

Yes, requiring masks is about controlling people.  How is that not blatantly obvious ?   Your common sense is not everyone's common sense. It's not so cut and dry.

Why don't we force everyone to wear hazmat suits instead of masks.  Certainly, that would be more effective in reducing spread and increase safety.

I've never needed a seat belt in my life.  Probably never will. I'm hyper aware of what's going on around me when I drive.  All the extra safety features drive up the cost of the vehicle and provide another excuse for the police to fine people for some arbitrary requirement.  The seat belt law is also an absurdity when they allow motorcycles on the freeway.  

Since you seem to take the position that forcing restrictions is acceptable to protect people even in unlikely scenarios, why not force people to wear helmets, knee and elbow pads 24/7?  A car might kick up a rock off the road and throw it at me, a tree branch might fall on my head, etc. Why not outlaw running and force people to crawl on all fours instead of walking? That could possibly reduce 10s of thousands of deaths every year from accidental falls.  Why not pass laws forcing people to wear sunscreen and use umbrellas to reduce skin cancer? You can go on and on.

Why not pass laws restricting all sex?  That would prevent STDs and reduce abortions. I'm sure that would go over big on this forum.

The typical flu is one of the leading causes of death every year , usually around 30,000 to 60,0000 in the US. That's big number and a fact that surprised me. I don't see why the mask requirement should ever be lifted for this alone.

II don't really have an issue with store requiring masks, but I do have a problem with government laws mandating it.  If you live long enough, you will see things like this tend to get ever more restrictive. I believe that is the reason why most are resisting wearing masks. 

 

2 hours ago, QuietRiot said:

Yep...it is kind of weird that no one his making a stink about the "not wearing shoes" in a store vs the new mask thing. I mean, seriously, what's the difference? lol

Seriously, what's the difference?  You're not going to spread something to someone else if you hurt your foot.

The reason why people don't complain is because it became accepted as the norm.  So, get use to wearing that mask for the rest of your life.  

Edited July 16, 2020 by vjk
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[Piddy]

1 hour ago, vjk said:

Yes, requiring masks is about controlling people.  How is that not blatantly obvious ?   Your common sense is not everyone's common sense. It's not so cut and dry.

Why don't we force everyone to wear hazmat suits instead of masks.  Certainly, that would be more effective in reducing spread and increase safety.

I've never needed a seat belt in my life.  Probably never will. I'm hyper aware of what's going on around me when I drive.  All the extra safety features drive up the cost of the vehicle and provide another excuse for the police to fine people for some arbitrary requirement.  The seat belt law is also an absurdity when they allow motorcycles on the freeway.  

Since you seem to take the position that forcing restrictions is acceptable to protect people even in unlikely scenarios, why not force people to wear helmets, knee and elbow pads 24/7?  A car might kick up a rock off the road and throw it at me, a tree branch might fall on my head, etc. Why not outlaw running and force people to crawl on all fours instead of walking? That could possibly reduce 10s of thousands of deaths every year from accidental falls.  Why not pass laws forcing people to wear sunscreen and use umbrellas to reduce skin cancer? You can go on and on.

Why not pass laws restricting all sex?  That would prevent STDs and reduce abortions. I'm sure that would go over big on this forum.

The typical flu is one of the leading causes of death every year , usually around 30,000 to 60,0000 in the US. That's big number and a fact that surprised me. I don't see why the mask requirement should ever be lifted for this alone.

II don't really have an issue with store requiring masks, but I do have a problem with government laws mandating it.  If you live long enough, you will see things like this tend to get ever more restrictive. I believe that is the reason why most are resisting wearing masks. 

 

Seriously, what's the difference?  You're not going to spread something to someone else if you hurt your foot.

The reason why people don't complain is because it became accepted as the norm.  So, get use to wearing that mask for the rest of your life.  

I guess I'm just not as paranoid about the government as you are.  I have no problem mandating masks for inside public places for reasons already stated.

This virus is more contagious than the flu.  The flu doesn't overwhelm our hospitals like this pandemic has.

I have no problem following the advice of the medical experts.  And they say wearing a mask will help prevent the spread.

I don't feel I'm being controlled.  I tend to listen to the experts.  Just using common sense.

 

 

Edited July 16, 2020 by Piddy

[Piddy]

5 minutes ago, clia said:

The flu overwhelmed our hospitals pretty badly in the 2017-2018 season.  Tents were set up, etc., much like now.  I'm not going to post a link due to the delay, but you can easily Google it.  

Did you mean 1917-1918.

[clia]

3 minutes ago, Piddy said:

Did you mean 1917-1918.

No.  2017-2018.  Google it.  From one article:

Quote

The CDC noted that the estimated number of hospitalizations during the 2017-2018 influenza season exceeded the number of staffed hospital beds in the United States — 902,202.

 

[Redhead14]

1 hour ago, vjk said:

Yes, requiring masks is about controlling people. 

 

Seriously????  Controlling people by requiring masks???  So then, is requiring the use of seat belts and prohibiting use of cell phones in cars.  What harm does this actually cause to anyone in terms of freedom?  I don't get what you people are actually afraid of?  It's not like any Federal or local government has told us we can't leave our homes and there are armed forces stationed all over the place.  Good lord, the paranoia over some invisible/perceived boogie man reminds me of the years when my kids were young and we had to check under the bed for monsters. 

[Kitty Tantrum]

23 hours ago, Timshel said:

I would appreciate to be informed of the 'agenda.'  I would also like to know more about 'playing into 'divide and conquer strategy.'  If you be so kind to share, Kitty.

Well if you don't know, I'm not telling you. 😉

That is to say: it doesn't matter. There are all sorts of conspiracy theories out there, and they span the entire spectrum of plausibility; just pick one. I can't say I even have a favorite.

The point is: IF you believe that all of these escalating restrictions are part of an agenda that involves gradually stripping citizens of their rights from the top-down (for whatever reason, to whatever end - doesn't really matter one bit for the sake of the argument)...  THEN maybe don't look at your neighbors and fellow countrymen like they're the enemy and the opposition, when all of the restrictions are being issued by the State Government at the behest of the Federal Government.

Because IF we really are on track for some kind of nightmare situation wherein free citizens are converted into corralled livestock, short of some kind of radical majority uprising...

(And remember, I'm not saying we are, this is all hypothetical; dear GOD please stop assuming that anyone with the brainpower to imagine and entertain these scenarios just automatically believes in all of them.)

... then maybe acting out against those restrictions in a way that sows seeds of contention and division at the heart of your local community isn't the wisest course of action.

[Redhead14]

Requiring masks to prevent the spread of a disease during an actual pandemic is a sign of a global effort to take away the freedom of citizens of the planet   Seriously.  Oh and the really hardcore effort of clamping down in the US is the requirement to wear seatbelts, no cell phone use in cars, and no bare feet in stores, no bonfires on some beaches pisses me off too.  Oh the oppression is stifling How the heck does requiring a mask affect freedom?????  Freedom doesn't mean being able to do whatever the F you want, anytime you want, anywhere you want to the detriment of others collectively.  And, if anyone wants to know what clamping down on freedom really looks and feels like, move to Hong Kong/China.

[meed]

I agree masks, while inconvenient, are the smart thing to do for the time being while we are trying to slow the spread as well as learn more about COVID.  And nobody hates wearing one more than me. I faithfully wear it probably more of respect/protection for others then myself, especially for essential employees who must be at work in the stores I go shopping in to buy my groceries/essentials.  While i have the luxury to work from the comfort of my home, I understand many do not and are risking their health for the rest of us. It's the least I can do.

I am curious how people are able to make comparisons of flu cases with covid, cases, deaths, etc when we have never shut the US (and globe) down prior to a flu outbreak.  What would our numbers be with COVID if everything had remained open, business as usual?

That being said, the test results are sometimes reported as not being accurate so maybe the numbers are way off, there's just no way to know right now. JMO

[Kitty Tantrum]

6 hours ago, IndigoNight said:

I cannot wear a mask. I rarely go to stores, but when I do I stay away from people as much as possible. I live in a small town so home delivery isnt available. I sanitize, I respect social distancing (over 6ft when able), and I am always on guard waiting for someone to verbally assault me for not wearing a mask. I wait until stores are the least crowded. I do everything possible to not impact others. Yet, even with my service dog at my side, I get glared at. I have a doctors note with multiple reasons why I am unable to wear a mask, or face shield. I have tried them all, and within minutes I am gasping for air, drenched in sweat, and holding myself up on my service dog.

Not all non-mask wearers are rebelling. Some of us are unable to wear any facial covering. So, I only go out when I absolutely have to. Most days I am a prisoner in my home. I order online if I can, but there are limits to what I can buy. Is it fair that when I am in a store I fear people screaming at me? No! No one should be assaulted for no mask because you don't know why they aren't wearing one. And  no. I dont have anyone to shop for me.

I have donated mask making supplies for over 1,000 masks to a local group. I know if I get Covid I will likely die due to my health issues. I would love to walk in a store just once, and not be worried that someone will freak out. I have been tested. I am negative. Yet, I am treated like I am the walking plague. My depression has deepened to the point I don't want to leave my home. I don't even talk to my friends anymore because so many have told me I am selfish for not wearing a mask. I CAN"T! IVE TRIED! Masks, face shields, neck gators, you name it, Ive tried it. 

A little compassion would be nice, but I have gotten to the point I expect the worst from people. That's not like me. Yet, with so much negativity, it's hard to believe that there are people who understand, and still care.

Sorry to vent, but I am just so tired of it all. 

I suspect we're going to see a LOT of situations where over-zealous enforcement of mask orders is understood to be in legitimate violation of the rights of those with actual disabilities, and there WILL be blow-back for that.

Unfortunately, I suspect that it will be business owners, and especially SMALL business owners with no existing infrastructure to streamline remote ordering and curbside service, who will ultimately be saddled with that expense as well - for trying to "play it safe" and not honoring the exemptions that are written into the mask order.

I wear a mask to the extent that I reasonably can. It's not a big problem for me if I'm sitting or lying down (like most of the time at the doctor's office), and it's not a big problem for the 10 minutes or so that it takes me to go into a store and round up my usual supplies at a leisurely/moderate pace. This is provided that these places have functional air conditioning during the warmer months.

I have body temperature regulation issues, and always have (verified genetic disorder). If you introduce any variable that serves to raise body temperature (whether an external heat source or just physical activity), covering my mouth can become a huge no-go pretty quickly. I can go from "too cold" to "dripping sweat and dizzy" really quickly when my body's "heat exhaust outlets" are covered up.  The mouth is a major outlet. Covering my mouth with a scarf has been a go-to tactic of mine for years, to quickly raise my temperature in situations where I otherwise didn't dress warmly enough for weather conditions.

Years ago working as a baker, I found myself in a situation where I had some kind of cold but HAD to work anyway, so I bought a box of masks... and ended up (*gasp*) taking my shoes off so that the cold concrete floor would help exhaust some of the excess warmth through my feet, because I had sweat starting to drip off of me within minutes (nobody wants THAT in their cookies, either).

I actually found myself meandering and taking my time a little bit in the store the other day, and I started feeling hot and lightheaded. Went and paid for my things, took my mask off as soon as I got outside, and it was nearly instant relief.

For ME, the state mask mandate has enough exemptions and stores are providing enough accommodations that it doesn't impact my bottom-line ability to get the supplies I need without seriously risking my health. FOR NOW. But there's definitely the looming sense that we're only a few small revisions or clarifications away from the point where that might become an issue for me.

You can't tell by looking at a person whether they have a medical condition that contraindicates mask usage. Just because there are people out there saying "I HAVE XYZ DISABILITY AND I WEAR A MASK THEREFOR EVERYONE SHOULD HAVE TO" doesn't change the fact that there ARE people who CAN'T. And the hard-line approach of "your medical exemption is worthless here" IS going to get people and businesses in trouble.

So, PSA, especially for business owners: Don't let the belligerence of the "anti-maskers" who are actually "volatile people looking for a ruckus under any convenient banner" turn you someone who discriminates against people with disabilities.

And as a matter of courtesy, beware of conflating SPEECH with ACTION. Believe it or not, a person CAN comply with a mandate WHILE ALSO vocally opposing it.

[QuietRiot]

4 hours ago, Redhead14 said:

Requiring masks to prevent the spread of a disease during an actual pandemic is a sign of a global effort to take away the freedom of citizens of the planet   Seriously.  Oh and the really hardcore effort of clamping down in the US is the requirement to wear seatbelts, no cell phone use in cars, and no bare feet in stores, no bonfires on some beaches pisses me off too.  Oh the oppression is stifling How the heck does requiring a mask affect freedom?????  Freedom doesn't mean being able to do whatever the F you want, anytime you want, anywhere you want to the detriment of others collectively.  And, if anyone wants to know what clamping down on freedom really looks and feels like, move to Hong Kong/China.

Nailed it dude! LOL

[Weezy1973]

9 hours ago, vjk said:

Yes, requiring masks is about controlling people.  How is that not blatantly obvious ?   Your common sense is not everyone's common sense. It's not so cut and dry.

Are laws against drinking and driving about controlling people? Genuine question.

[sothereiwas]

18 minutes ago, Weezy1973 said:

Are laws against drinking and driving about controlling people? Genuine question.

Those laws only apply to use of publicly funded infrastructure as far as I know. If some farmer wants to get sauced up and tear up the back 40 it's perfectly legal ... I think. He can even invite friends, although some civil liability could befoul him. I'm not a lawyer but that's my understanding - it's not a criminal behavior. As always, eager to learn. 

[QuietRiot]

4 hours ago, Redhead14 said:

Requiring masks to prevent the spread of a disease during an actual pandemic is a sign of a global effort to take away the freedom of citizens of the planet   Seriously.  Oh and the really hardcore effort of clamping down in the US is the requirement to wear seatbelts, no cell phone use in cars, and no bare feet in stores, no bonfires on some beaches pisses me off too.  Oh the oppression is stifling How the heck does requiring a mask affect freedom?????  Freedom doesn't mean being able to do whatever the F you want, anytime you want, anywhere you want to the detriment of others collectively.  And, if anyone wants to know what clamping down on freedom really looks and feels like, move to Hong Kong/China.

Nailed it dude! LOL

 

44 minutes ago, Weezy1973 said:

Are laws against drinking and driving about controlling people? Genuine question.