Anti-Masker protesters spreading the infection

[Weezy1973]

1 hour ago, NuevoYorko said:

A mask on the face of even the most sketchy citizen does not pose any threat to me or any other people.  Try something more "apples to apples."

Also masks are for the benefit of others, whereas the argument for guns is protect oneself. It’s really hard for some people to do something for others.

[sothereiwas]

2 hours ago, Weezy1973 said:

Also masks are for the benefit of others, whereas the argument for guns is protect oneself. It’s really hard for some people to do something for others.

My guns serve to entertain and protect a number of people, not only myself. 

Edited July 18, 2020 by sothereiwas
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[sothereiwas]

Some actual data:

https://www.economist.com/img/b/1280/752/90/sites/default/files/20200711_WOC398.png

https://d25d2506sfb94s.cloudfront.net/cumulus_uploads/inlineimage/2020-05-01/Face masks grid-01.png

Edited July 18, 2020 by sothereiwas

[major_merrick]

OK, here's something for y'all.  Numbers that show you that cloth masks are about 1/5 as effective as N95's...and that's assuming proper wear technique.  In other words, that cloth on your face isn't worth the trouble.

https://aapsonline.org/mask-facts/

Filter efficiency was measured across a wide range of small particle sizes (0.02 to 1 µm) at 33 and 99 L/min.

N95 respirators had efficiencies greater than 95% (as expected).

T-shirts had 10% efficiency,

Scarves 10% to 20%,

Cloth masks 10% to 30%,

Sweatshirts 20% to 40%, and

Towels 40%.

All of the cloth masks and materials had near zero efficiency at 0.3 µm, a particle size that easily penetrates into the lungs.

 

[major_merrick]

Remember how I mentioned medical information on a chip, the Mark of the Beast, and all that?  Funny thing...they are testing it right now in Africa. 

https://www.blacklistednews.com/article/77479/testing-will-begin-in-africa-for-biometric-id-vaccine-records--payment.html

Mandatory masks, mandatory vaccines....this stuff WILL eventually lead to a mandatory chip if people don't resist the small infringements on freedom NOW. 

[Ellener]

I am feeling way better now @major_merrick but you don't want this Covid. It's like having really bad bronchititis/flu.

My friend died last week, two days after getting sick.She didn't die from Covid, she died from heart failure. It puts a lot of strain on the lungs/heart.

 

[basil67]

4 hours ago, major_merrick said:

OK, here's something for y'all.  Numbers that show you that cloth masks are about 1/5 as effective as N95's...and that's assuming proper wear technique.  In other words, that cloth on your face isn't worth the trouble.

https://aapsonline.org/mask-facts/

Filter efficiency was measured across a wide range of small particle sizes (0.02 to 1 µm) at 33 and 99 L/min.

N95 respirators had efficiencies greater than 95% (as expected).

T-shirts had 10% efficiency,

Scarves 10% to 20%,

Cloth masks 10% to 30%,

Sweatshirts 20% to 40%, and

Towels 40%.

All of the cloth masks and materials had near zero efficiency at 0.3 µm, a particle size that easily penetrates into the lungs.

 

Re the fabric masks, I did a quick read of the data on cloth masks and didn't find where they describe the manufacturing standards of the cloth masks they were testing.  I was particularly interested in how many layers the mask had, the fabric type and thread counts.   If they tested single layer quilting cotton, they will get worse results than three layers of fabric using high thread count cotton, silk and waterproof outer layer). 

They've also tested those cloth masks on health care workers, and everything I've read is that cloth masks aren't for keeping us safe, but for helping stop our own spray on others.   

So for personal use, for protecting others from us, this study doesn't seem to be particularly valid.

 

[major_merrick]

@basil67  You raise some interesting points.  But logically....if a mask doesn't prevent things from coming in, it probably won't prevent things from going out.  And then there's the wear issue.  You wouldn't believe the number of people I saw on my last trip into the city who had the mask over their mouth only, with the nose exposed.  Hilarious. 

All else aside, if people really DON'T want to catch it, they'd better be wearing an N95 on their own face, rather than trusting whatever might be on somebody else's.  Personal responsibility vs. forcing everybody else still makes the most sense.

[Shining One]

Do you have a source with a less "checkered" history than the AAPS? The things they've published in the past make me seriously question their credibility.

[major_merrick]

The AAPS is one of the few organizations that has enough money to dare to challenge the leftist-dominated press and government-controlled medicine.  Just because you don't agree with them doesn't make them a poor source. 

And btw, all the establishment publications and organizations have a "checkered" history.  They have ruined a lot of lives, caused a lot of damage, and cost poor folks a ton of money.  Which is why people like me don't trust them at all. 

[Weezy1973]

Masks are for protecting others, not ourselves. It’s to prevent the spread. COVID is contagious. Masks help lower the chance of spreading the virus. It’s not perfect, but it’s better than nothing. Why not just wear one when you’re going out? 
 

I just don’t get it. 

[Shining One]

36 minutes ago, major_merrick said:

Just because you don't agree with them doesn't make them a poor source.

You have that backwards. I don't agree with them because they are a poor source due to their history of publishing misinformation.

In these situations, I like to find multiple, credible sources, and draw my opinions from those. I don't draw a conclusion first and then find a source to back that up, nor do I choose a source because it aligns with my political or religious beliefs.

[regine_phalange]

12 hours ago, major_merrick said:

Remember how I mentioned medical information on a chip, the Mark of the Beast, and all that?  Funny thing...they are testing it right now in Africa. 

Mandatory masks, mandatory vaccines....this stuff WILL eventually lead to a mandatory chip if people don't resist the small infringements on freedom NOW. 

What if there is a different conspiracy to the one you describe? For example releasing a virus to decrease the population of earth? Then you would help these bad guys out by not wearing a mask. 

Edited July 19, 2020 by regine_phalange

[QuietRiot]

7 hours ago, Weezy1973 said:

Masks are for protecting others, not ourselves. It’s to prevent the spread. COVID is contagious. Masks help lower the chance of spreading the virus. It’s not perfect, but it’s better than nothing. Why not just wear one when you’re going out? 
 

I just don’t get it. 

Yep, this...in a nutshell. We've seen the countless graphics of two people, facing each other, one with, one without a mask and both with masks, demonstrating the efficacy.  I keep seeing it popping up over and over on my Facebook feed via the Florida Dept of Health. 

[QuietRiot]

2 hours ago, regine_phalange said:

What if there is a different conspiracy to the one you describe? For example releasing a virus to decrease the population of earth? Then you would help these bad guys out by not wearing a mask. 

Making this new vaccine mandatory is nothing new.

We get mandatory vaccines when we leave the hospital as a baby. I had to have vaccines done or provide proof to a University I had enrolled in...couldn't figure out why it was necessary, but it was necessary to enter a education institution. The Sars Cov 2 will probably just be another added to the list to a list of vaccines that had been around for decades.

[MJJean]

Masks are now mandated here as of last Monday.

I haven't changed my life since COVID other than having to buy some things online because of mandated business closures. No mask, no gloves, no staying home more than I had to, I went shopping, visiting friends, etc.

For the most part, places I go were considered "essential" and remained open. Ya know, the vape shop where we sit and chat while making purchases, the pet store, the shooting range/gun shop, WalMart, Target, Home Depot, the smaller hardwares, etc.

It seems the area went through a process.

First, some people wore masks.

Then, in May, almost everyone was wearing a mask and gloves. During that time, parking lots were NASTY. Used masks and gloves everywhere.

The news reported that we were the hardest hit county in state, by far, but that a tad over 70% of all deaths were nursing home residents.

It started to get warmer ad much sunnier. People were sick of being at home, were sick of not working, were worried about businesses failing , and we traditionally lose our minds during the springtime, anyway, after being cooped up all winter. So, reopening phase 1 began and some businesses opened back up whether the state approved or not.

In the most populous counties law enforcement has publicly stated during press conferences that they WILL NOT enforce mask requirements nor will they harass business owners and that the state should take it up with business licensing or the health department if they want business owners operating against the mandate ticketed, charged, fined, or forcibly closed.

We saw frequent and large social justice protests in June and July. The COVID+ numbers went up. (Big shock since few protesters were filmed in masks and were walking shoulder to shoulder in the hundreds to thousands).

The Governor mandated masks with threats of $500 fines for not wearing one in public buildings such as stores and businesses.

Two local gas stations I fill up and buy coffee at aren't making people or employees wear masks at all and I see people coming in and out in droves maskless. I've been to two different hardware stores (fixing  a couple faucets and stripping adhesive off a floor I'm refinishing), 3 hobby stores (Warhammer minis have more needs than Barbie), gas stations, pharmacies (DD's meds were out of stock so we had to hunt), and 2 grocery stores in the last few days. I can count on one hand how many employees I saw wearing masks either covering their mouth and nose or even wearing one at all. Among customers masks were  more common, but there was still about 1/3 not wearing a mask at all and the majority not wearing it over their mouth and nose. Apparently, the mandate states you have to be wearing a face covering to enter the store, for example, but the loophole is that you don't have to be wearing it properly, so most hang it off an ear or from chin down.

 

Edited July 19, 2020 by MJJean

[d0nnivain]

1 hour ago, MJJean said:

Two local gas stations I fill up and buy coffee at aren't making people or employees wear masks at all and I see people coming in and out in droves maskless. I've been to two different hardware stores (fixing  a couple faucets and stripping adhesive off a floor I'm refinishing), 3 hobby stores (Warhammer minis have more needs than Barbie), gas stations, pharmacies (DD's meds were out of stock so we had to hunt), and 2 grocery stores in the last few days. I can count on one hand how many employees I saw wearing masks either covering their mouth and nose or even wearing one at all. Among customers masks were  more common, but there was still about 1/3 not wearing a mask at all and the majority not wearing it over their mouth and nose. Apparently, the mandate states you have to be wearing a face covering to enter the store, for example, but the loophole is that you don't have to be wearing it properly, so most hang it off an ear or from chin down.

 

And that is why we have a spike in cases. 

Yesterday I had the most normal day I have had since the pandemic started.  I went to an outdoor farmer's market with only about 25% of the vendors from last summer.  Then I went to a farm stand.  Headed over to get some gourmet dog stuff but that store was out of business.  I found the new location of an old favorite boutique.  I didn't realize she moved.  She was having a sidewalk sale so I got new earrings.  Ended up at a different tiny pet store; it was the only inside store I was in.  It was just me & the owner.  

Everywhere I went every person was wearing a mask properly, sanitizing their hands & staying 6 feet apart.

I have not set foot in a big box store this year.  I was in a grocery store on March 16 & again on May 4. I have been in the liquor store a few times, the pharmacy twice & a small local vegetable stand a few times but everything else has been delivery or curbside.     

Until people learn to be accountable & responsible for their actions & care about their neighbor's well being we're going to be stuck in this hell where the numbers go up & up, overwhelming hospitals, draining resources & crippling the economy.  

[sothereiwas]

29 minutes ago, d0nnivain said:

And that is why we have a spike in cases. 

It would be a very unusual virus that actually cared what cause was being given for congregating the hosts it needs. All the recent protests for all the recent reasons are inevitably going to drive an increase in cases. That, along with people now travelling for their summer vacation and the other tomfoolery, and it shouldn't be a shock. 

I don't wear a mask unless it's mandated. I sani-wipe before and after leaving the vehicle and I don't snot all over or touch my face. I've not had any sort of sickness since March, and I don't know how long before that. Living as almost a hermit has upsides I guess.

[MJJean]

3 hours ago, d0nnivain said:

 

 

Until people learn to be accountable & responsible for their actions & care about their neighbor's well being we're going to be stuck in this hell where the numbers go up & up, overwhelming hospitals, draining resources & crippling the economy.  

Including protesters. Our spike began nearly 2 weeks to the date from the largest protests in the state. Which, as you know, is about the time it takes for symptoms to show, tests to be performed, and the data to be recorded and released.

Our state hospitals haven't exceeded 74% capacity at any time during the pandemic, so we've never been overwhelmed. The state economy has been irreparably damaged by the lockdown. We've wasted so many resources I weep. We've lost less than 6k to COVID and the vast majority were elderly care home residents.

Gyms and recreational massage  are supposed to be closed still. The last bit of reopening. Even the bars and strip clubs are operating again. There are 3 gyms currently open near my home (2 chain gyms and 1 independent) with full parking lots and they have been operating for weeks. Many of the restaurants in the shopping center of the city have been allowing inside dining since before they were allowed, as well. Hell, even the local BDSM/kink groups are meeting up and a couple of the public pay-for- entry sex clubs are open.

If the governor tried to re-institute a lockdown or roll back the re-opening she'd have rebellion on her hands at a time when she can't even manage to handle protests and the court approved petitions to recall her (for more than her handling of COVID)go out in just a few days. People are fairly fed up. When even the cops in multiple cities and counties publicly state to the media they will not enforce business closures or mask mandates it's time to come up with a new plan or just let nature take it's course.

I have 3 large gatherings scheduled in the next 4 weeks. 2 graduation parties and 1 going away. So, it appears socializing is back, too.

I think a lot of the problem is the doomsday predictions at the start. 10 million dead! Hospitals will be overwhelmed!  Bodies will litter the streets! We're all gonna die! Months in, none of those dire predictions have come to pass, and now no one is taking it very seriously.

 

Edited July 19, 2020 by MJJean

[sothereiwas]

52 minutes ago, MJJean said:

I think a lot of the problem is the doomsday predictions at the start. 10 million dead! Hospitals will be overwhelmed!  Bodies will litter the streets!

Something from my childhood involving little boys, crying, and wolves, stirs in my memory.

[Ruby Slippers]

There's an interesting chart on statista.com. Google "statista.com face mask usage".

According to this, 54% of women vs. 34% of men claim to always wear a mask. 61% of Democrats vs. 41% of Independents vs. 24% of Republicans. And 49% of college grads vs. 41% of non-college grads.

In short, Democrat women who are college grads are the most likely to wear face masks, and Republican men who didn't go to college are the least likely. 

Edited July 19, 2020 by Ruby Slippers

[Weezy1973]

41 minutes ago, Ruby Slippers said:

There's an interesting chart on statista.com. Google "statista.com face mask usage".

According to this, 54% of women vs. 34% of men claim to always wear a mask. 61% of Democrats vs. 41% of Independents vs. 24% of Republicans. And 49% of college grads vs. 41% of non-college grads.

In short, Democrat women who are college grads are the most likely to wear face masks, and Republican men who didn't go to college are the least likely. 

Somehow wearing a mask became political. The US is crashing, and fast.

[major_merrick]

On 7/18/2020 at 9:11 PM, Weezy1973 said:

Masks are for protecting others, not ourselves. It’s to prevent the spread.

Well then, consider that goal accomplished....this blonde doesn't have it.  And I have no affirmative duty to wear somebody else's seatbelt for them. 

On 7/19/2020 at 3:47 AM, regine_phalange said:

What if there is a different conspiracy to the one you describe? For example releasing a virus to decrease the population of earth? Then you would help these bad guys out by not wearing a mask. 

I considered that possibility back in January/February.  If so, it is an incredibly poor performer.  So far in the US, the death rate is negligible.  After a quick search on Google, https://www.google.com/search?client=firefox-b-1-d&q=current+us+covid+deaths it seems we've had 143k deaths in the US.  Consider a normal flu year at 62k and the fact that everything from cancer to motorcycle crashes is being included as a "COVID death" this isn't much worse than a bad flu.  This is not the Black Death (50% death rate), polio (20% death rate + paralysis), or smallpox (30% death rate), no matter how much people decide they are gonna panic about it. 

On 7/19/2020 at 5:52 AM, QuietRiot said:

Making this new vaccine mandatory is nothing new.

We get mandatory vaccines when we leave the hospital as a baby. I had to have vaccines done or provide proof to a University I had enrolled in...couldn't figure out why it was necessary, but it was necessary to enter a education institution. The Sars Cov 2 will probably just be another added to the list to a list of vaccines that had been around for decades.

I suspect you either live in a different place than I do, or you have believe the doctors' propaganda.  At least in most places in the USA that I know, vaccines are not fully mandatory....yet.  They want you to believe they are, but there are almost always exemptions for religion, philosophy, personal beliefs, and medical conditions.  Even in the public schools near me, they aren't required if you don't want them to be.  I went to public school and university and never had an issue.  I think the amount of red tape varies from state to state, but in my corner of the South all you have to do is say "Nope.  Not for my kid."  But just in case of overzealous doctors going against my wishes (and for multiple other reasons), I had my babies at home.  They are just as unvaccinated as their mother. 

I'm fine with anybody who wants to taking whatever vaccine they want.  Y'all can be Big Pharma's test rats if it makes you feel like you've done your "duty" to society.  Just not me or my kids. 

Edited July 21, 2020 by a LoveShack.org Moderator
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[Weezy1973]

1 hour ago, major_merrick said:

Well then, consider that goal accomplished....this blonde doesn't have it.  And I have no affirmative duty to wear somebody else's seatbelt for them. 

Seatbelts = protecting yourself. 
 

Masks = protecting others**

**You can have COVID without showing any symptoms.

 

Not too sure where the confusion lies...

[Redhead14]

The measures that were taken early on in a specific attempt to slow the spread, prevent overwhelming hospitals everywhere quickly and prevent a doomsday/10 million dead scenario actually worked and further minimized the potential outcome.  There was no "wolf-crying". 

I don't understand the smugness over not seeing 10 million die.