How do you even get covid?

[schlumpy]

1 hour ago, Ellener said:

Where? people are burning cars where you live?

 

 

They burned up some cars in a Mercedes Dealership in Oakland

 

[Ellener]

23 minutes ago, elaine567 said:

It is a long standing problem that is not easily fixed, I guess.

It's not rocket science!

[Ellener]

17 minutes ago, schlumpy said:

They burned up some cars in a Mercedes Dealership in Oakland

 

That was strange. I wonder why. I'd like to have a social worker chat with those young men!

 

[K.K.]

Apparently you get Covid by tempting fate as in the case of Herman Cain as well as the other ‘enlightened ones’ that thought they were showing out by being photographed in no mask and laughing about the possibility of getting it. 

No problem though. At least for a consolation prize you get news for days and many a funny meme dedicated to you by people that have no idea who you are, other than a perfect “example” of what not to do. 
 

 

 

Edited July 31, 2020 by K.K.

[amerikajin]

5 hours ago, Spring1234 said:

I honestly don't think anyone knows how it spreads. You can have massive gatherings outside and have no problem, but a few people in a bar and then boom huge outbreak. 

 

They actually do know a lot, and the data from China has been there for at least a few months, but researchers in the West didn't immediately pick up on it, perhaps unsure whether to trust the data coming out of China (understandably, to some degree).

But it appears the virus is spread mostly through airborne particles, and contrary to popular belief, the droplets don't have to be large, either. Simply breathing can spread the disease. The more forcefully you exhale (i.e. singing, yelling, exercising), the more droplets you spread.

Indoor areas are worse than outdoor areas for several reasons. One is that people tend to spread out more outdoors than they do indoors (think of a restaurant table for instance). Recirculated and unfiltered air is worse than heating/cooling systems that are filtered and that exchange new air from outdoors and push it out. This is why office buildings tend to be worse than, say, a detached home.

What's telling is the data that's coming out from contact tracing. We're learning about the most common situations in which the illness is acquired. Most people seem to be getting it from one of two situations: the workplace or large indoor (and sometimes outdoor) social gatherings. Front-line essential workers who often have a choice between going to work or staying at home and losing desperately needed income make the choice to work, and end up getting very sick. Family gatherings or gatherings among family and circles of friends seems to be another source of spread.

Someone else beat me to it, but beyond coming into contact with an infected person, the viral load that's in the ambient air is also an important factor, and it may mean the difference between getting a light case and a case that puts you in the hospital for weeks. Over time, most of us will occasionally do things that put us at risk, like shopping or going to the post office, or working. This is why social distance and wearing masks is important (and sanitation, hand washing, etc). You may come into contact with coronavirus, but if you wear a mask, wash hands, stay socially distanced, avoid gatherings, minimize trips out, keep windows open, and so forth, you can greatly reduce the viral load and perhaps minimize your risk of getting a serious infection.

That said, there are no guarantees. Anyone with a serious health condition has to be extra cautious.

 

[clia]

7 hours ago, Spring1234 said:

I just don't understand how there can be 50,000+ cases a day? I certainly believe it, but just how did these people get the virus?

Like in the beginning nobody was wearing a mask and now most people are and the numbers are higher. Are people getting it at bars, but I thought most bars are closed. They never really say where people are getting this virus. I originally thought at salons, but you don't hear about outbreaks there anymore and everyone I know goes to salons all the time.

So everyone is just getting it at friends houses or parties? Are people getting it at stores? I haven't heard of any workers sick. 

I just don't get it. I thought you don't really get it from touching surfaces or passing by people. I thought it is more close contact with people with no masks. All 50,000+ people were in close contact with people with no mask? 

The numbers likely aren't higher than they were back in March/April -- it's just that we had nowhere near the testing capacity back then that we do now so we just didn't know how bad it really was.  As an example, in March/April, New York was testing less than 15,000 people per day (and only hit that number at the end of April; it was much less prior to that).  Currently, New York is testing about 35,000 people per day.  By contrast, since early June (when things started ramping up), Florida has been testing 25,000-60,000 people per day.  So, Florida is testing at least double or triple the people that New York was testing back when New York was at its worst, if not more.  I'm in Michigan, another state that was badly hit back in March/April and here you couldn't even get a test back in March/April unless you were practically ready to be admitted to the hospital.  Now they are testing anyone who wants a test.  So, my point is that things aren't necessarily worse now, it's just that we have more data.  In my opinion, the virus was likely running rampant through at least parts of the US back in February/March/April, but we just didn't know what it was and weren't testing for it.  I think the number of cases in areas of the northwest are for sure much higher than actually counted.    

As for where you can get it -- anywhere.  In Michigan, they reported this week that our recent outbreaks are as follows:  31% are associated with nursing homes and adult care facilities; 22% are associated with social gatherings; 10% are associated with workplaces; and 9% are associated with restaurants.  The rest they broadly attribute to childcare facilities, agricultural work settings, bars and personal care services.  So, you can pretty much get it anywhere, depending on the circumstances.  But from what I've read, you are more likely to get it in enclosed spaces where you are spending longer periods of time than, as you said, merely walking by someone who might have it.  Masks also help, but the virus is small enough to get through the fabric, so even those aren't going to 100% prevent you from getting it.  But who knows.             

[Weezy1973]

Basically you get Covid the same way you get the flu. Covid is just way worse. And deadlier.

[DarrenB]

9 hours ago, Spring1234 said:

Darren, plenty of people here also think they're immune or don't believe the virus is serious or even real. It's very political and Trump has made it about himself and his followers are the problem. There are people ignoring social distancing and masks. Everything is open here, I guess they're limiting people and cleaning places. Most people wear masks, but our cases are exploding. My city's schools will be virtual this year. 

Darren are your schools opened? What's life like in the UK as far as masks etc.

Understandable. I feel that although they're limiting the amount of people allowed within a certain vicinity, they're not limiting the duration spent there which may have caused more harm in some places.

If I recall correctly, educational establishments are currently closed due to Summer half-term - scheduled to reopen first week of September(?)

Beforehand they had specific measures put in place for those who were undertaking exams, although a lot of students had the option to take virtual exams through school portals.

Here it is compulsory to wear masks in retail shops, largely populated areas e.g shopping centers, resorts and so forth, and they've warned that fines of up to £100 would be issued for those that neglect this measurement put in place. However, our PM stated that if you have an underlining health condition that could worsen your current health state you would be exempt, for example: asthma, other respiratory problems etc.

 

[Spring1234]

4 hours ago, clia said:

The numbers likely aren't higher than they were back in March/April -- it's just that we had nowhere near the testing capacity back then that we do now so we just didn't know how bad it really was.  As an example, in March/April, New York was testing less than 15,000 people per day (and only hit that number at the end of April; it was much less prior to that).  Currently, New York is testing about 35,000 people per day.  By contrast, since early June (when things started ramping up), Florida has been testing 25,000-60,000 people per day.  So, Florida is testing at least double or triple the people that New York was testing back when New York was at its worst, if not more.  I'm in Michigan, another state that was badly hit back in March/April and here you couldn't even get a test back in March/April unless you were practically ready to be admitted to the hospital.  Now they are testing anyone who wants a test.  So, my point is that things aren't necessarily worse now, it's just that we have more data.  In my opinion, the virus was likely running rampant through at least parts of the US back in February/March/April, but we just didn't know what it was and weren't testing for it.  I think the number of cases in areas of the northwest are for sure much higher than actually counted.    

As for where you can get it -- anywhere.  In Michigan, they reported this week that our recent outbreaks are as follows:  31% are associated with nursing homes and adult care facilities; 22% are associated with social gatherings; 10% are associated with workplaces; and 9% are associated with restaurants.  The rest they broadly attribute to childcare facilities, agricultural work settings, bars and personal care services.  So, you can pretty much get it anywhere, depending on the circumstances.  But from what I've read, you are more likely to get it in enclosed spaces where you are spending longer periods of time than, as you said, merely walking by someone who might have it.  Masks also help, but the virus is small enough to get through the fabric, so even those aren't going to 100% prevent you from getting it.  But who knows.             

Thanks for that explanation. Okay it was worse in the Spring, however why are the numbers still high if most are wearing a mask, distancing etc. These numbers really are the people that don't care or gave it to people inadvertently?

[Spring1234]

Thanks everyone for the replies!

If the virus is so contagious you would think the numbers of cases, hospitalizations and deaths even though i know they have a better way to save people now would be higher. When we were in lockdown in the Spring and literally nothing was opened we still had cases everyday now everything is opened and we haven't had that big of a spike, why? 

Why isn't NYC having anymore issues, I'm sure people are visiting there and since there's so many people why isn't there another outbreak? 

Why does some states have it bad then another part of the country gets it bad the next month? 

Why aren't more people getting it if it's so contagious, I see packed outdoor dining, salons all open, beach towns packed, malls, etc. Why aren't numbers higher if you can pick it up everywhere and anywhere

[amaysngrace]

Somebody died in a motorcycle accident and they recorded it as a covid death.

Also, a peach tested positive for coronavirus.  
 

That pretty much explains it all.

[Weezy1973]

26 minutes ago, Spring1234 said:

If the virus is so contagious you would think the numbers of cases, hospitalizations and deaths even though i know they have a better way to save people now would be higher.

The death rate is worse in states that spiked early because doctors didn’t know how to treat it as well. The death rate should go down as things continue on.

 

28 minutes ago, Spring1234 said:

 

Why isn't NYC having anymore issues, I'm sure people are visiting there and since there's so many people why isn't there another outbreak? 

There may be a second wave. At the moment NYC is recommending everybody get tested which means that people that are infected can quarantine, preventing them from infecting others. 

 

31 minutes ago, Spring1234 said:

 

Why does some states have it bad then another part of the country gets it bad the next month? 

 

That’s the way of a virus. It moves as people move around. It started in China.

 

33 minutes ago, Spring1234 said:

Why aren't more people getting it if it's so contagious, I see packed outdoor dining, salons all open, beach towns packed, malls, etc. Why aren't numbers higher if you can pick it up everywhere and anywhere

A lot of people are getting it. The US is amongst the worst hit countries. People can socially distance outdoors much easier than indoors so it doesn’t spread nearly as easily outdoors. 
 

And numbers are shockingly high in the US.

[Ellener]

21 minutes ago, Spring1234 said:

Why aren't more people getting it if it's so contagious, I see packed outdoor dining, salons all open, beach towns packed, malls, etc. Why aren't numbers higher if you can pick it up everywhere and anywhere

We've had over 70 000 positive tests here, in a city of 2.36 million, and a lot of people haven't even been tested yet, we were told to stay home 14 days unless we couldn't cope.

That was because the hospital ICU bed capacity was almost full, then the military came and set up a field hospital about 10 July.

 

 

 

 

[mark clemson]

I agree with some above and think generally it's people being cavalier/loosey-goosey with the self protection that is spreading it the most these days in the US. No doubt lots of people are getting it (e.g. mild cases) but then either not realizing they're spreading it or not worrying too much about. And then it eventually hits a vulnerable person.

NOW they think it's probably aerosolized... Thanks for figuring that out so, uh... quickly?  🙄

[Fresh_Start]

I live in Pennsylvania as well so let's clear up a few things:

We have not been having 1000+ cases per day.  Over the past two and a half months, we have only had seven days total of 1000 or more cases with 6 of them being in July.  Since links are a pain in the ass to post because they require moderator approval and therefore lead to posts that get buried in the thread as each new post is made, I'll simply direct you to the worldometers.info website.  The site includes a breakdown of all cases in the world and by country.  For the U.S. it also includes a breakdown by state, which is further broken down by county.  It is updated multiple times per day. 

While Pennsylvania currently has the 12th highest total number of cases from the start of the pandemic to the present, it will be overtaken by Louisiana tomorrow, by Tennessee within the next couple of weeks, and possibly by other states as well.  More importantly, Pennsylvania ranks 34th in the country for total cases per 1 million of the population.  We are a more populous state than most because of two major metropolitan areas and their surrounding counties in Pittsburgh and Philadelphia so you can't just look at the total cases and conclude that we're one of the worst.  Per 1 million of the population, we are one of the better states to be in right now.  Additionally, unless you live in Pittsburgh or Philadelphia, your city's total cases have not been increasing by 100+ per day.  

Let's please not further contribute to the spread of misinformation, disinformation, panic, and paranoia.  Your exaggeration, while small, will create a ripple effect when it comes to the overall perception of our state for everyone you share it with.  It's like the classic telephone game (known elsewhere as Chinese Whispers) where a teacher will have his or her students stand in a line, whisper a message into the ear of the first student in the line, have that student whisper the message to the next student, and so on all the way down the line until it reaches the final student who then repeats the message that was whispered to him or her out loud only to have it be significantly different than the original message from the teacher.  It is often invoked as a metaphor for cumulative error, especially the inaccuracies that are generated as rumors or gossip spread.

To answer your question:

It is primarily spread by irresponsibility and ignorance at this juncture -- people who don't bother to wear masks, who don't bother to hand sanitize or disinfect surfaces they and/or others have touched, people who don't properly quarantine themselves when sick, as well as flagrant violations of restrictions and public health recommendations such as large indoor gatherings etc.  The actual probability of getting COVID-19, provided that you aren't an idiot about it and depending upon certain population criteria, is infinitesimal.  I made a very detailed post explaining all of this not too long ago, but it was deleted by the mods without explanation and for no apparent reason other than that there are many people here who have succumbed to the panic, paranoia, and politics of the pandemic who likely reported my post for not conforming to their personal or political narrative.  COVID-19 is not a political issue nor a personal bias issue.  It is a novel virus with a 94% recovery rate thus far in America (and climbing) and a 6% mortality rate (and falling).  As of my deleted post, the mortality rate was 8% and I accurately calculated and predicted that it would drop further.  That, too, has happened, but some people would rather wallow in fear than look for any kind of silver lining, optimism, or positive trends.  The recovery rate and mortality rate for the United States can also be independently confirmed on the worldometers.info site.  

From the start of the lockdown to the present, I have been going to the grocery store 2-3 times per week (I eat 5 meals per day as part of my body building regimen and make all of them from scratch so I end up taking more frequent trips to the grocery store than the average person) and now over the past 30+ days I have been working out at my gym again 5 days per week.  I have done my part to be responsible by wearing a mask, regularly washing and sanitizing my hands or wearing gloves, disinfecting equipment and surfaces, etc., and I have not been sick.  I have not been "lucky"; I have been smart.  Unfortunately, it's the idiots out there who don't observe the recommended guidelines that have ruined it for the rest of us and that are a key component in why cases are spiking in many other states, which has cumulatively contributed to a substantial spike in daily cases for our country.

[QuietRiot]

49 minutes ago, Fresh_Start said:

I live in Pennsylvania as well so let's clear up a few things:

We have not been having 1000+ cases per day.  Over the past two and a half months, we have only had seven days total of 1000 or more cases with 6 of them being in July.  Since links are a pain in the ass to post because they require moderator approval and therefore lead to posts that get buried in the thread as each new post is made, I'll simply direct you to the worldometers.info website.  The site includes a breakdown of all cases in the world and by country.  For the U.S. it also includes a breakdown by state, which is further broken down by county.  It is updated multiple times per day. 

While Pennsylvania currently has the 12th highest total number of cases from the start of the pandemic to the present, it will be overtaken by Louisiana tomorrow, by Tennessee within the next couple of weeks, and possibly by other states as well.  More importantly, Pennsylvania ranks 34th in the country for total cases per 1 million of the population.  We are a more populous state than most because of two major metropolitan areas and their surrounding counties in Pittsburgh and Philadelphia so you can't just look at the total cases and conclude that we're one of the worst.  Per 1 million of the population, we are one of the better states to be in right now.  Additionally, unless you live in Pittsburgh or Philadelphia, your city's total cases have not been increasing by 100+ per day.  

Let's please not further contribute to the spread of misinformation, disinformation, panic, and paranoia.  Your exaggeration, while small, will create a ripple effect when it comes to the overall perception of our state for everyone you share it with.  It's like the classic telephone game (known elsewhere as Chinese Whispers) where a teacher will have his or her students stand in a line, whisper a message into the ear of the first student in the line, have that student whisper the message to the next student, and so on all the way down the line until it reaches the final student who then repeats the message that was whispered to him or her out loud only to have it be significantly different than the original message from the teacher.  It is often invoked as a metaphor for cumulative error, especially the inaccuracies that are generated as rumors or gossip spread.

To answer your question:

It is primarily spread by irresponsibility and ignorance at this juncture -- people who don't bother to wear masks, who don't bother to hand sanitize or disinfect surfaces they and/or others have touched, people who don't properly quarantine themselves when sick, as well as flagrant violations of restrictions and public health recommendations such as large indoor gatherings etc.  The actual probability of getting COVID-19, provided that you aren't an idiot about it and depending upon certain population criteria, is infinitesimal.  I made a very detailed post explaining all of this not too long ago, but it was deleted by the mods without explanation and for no apparent reason other than that there are many people here who have succumbed to the panic, paranoia, and politics of the pandemic who likely reported my post for not conforming to their personal or political narrative.  COVID-19 is not a political issue nor a personal bias issue.  It is a novel virus with a 94% recovery rate thus far in America (and climbing) and a 6% mortality rate (and falling).  As of my deleted post, the mortality rate was 8% and I accurately calculated and predicted that it would drop further.  That, too, has happened, but some people would rather wallow in fear than look for any kind of silver lining, optimism, or positive trends.  The recovery rate and mortality rate for the United States can also be independently confirmed on the worldometers.info site.  

From the start of the lockdown to the present, I have been going to the grocery store 2-3 times per week (I eat 5 meals per day as part of my body building regimen and make all of them from scratch so I end up taking more frequent trips to the grocery store than the average person) and now over the past 30+ days I have been working out at my gym again 5 days per week.  I have done my part to be responsible by wearing a mask, regularly washing and sanitizing my hands or wearing gloves, disinfecting equipment and surfaces, etc., and I have not been sick.  I have not been "lucky"; I have been smart.  Unfortunately, it's the idiots out there who don't observe the recommended guidelines that have ruined it for the rest of us and that are a key component in why cases are spiking in many other states, which has cumulatively contributed to a substantial spike in daily cases for our country.

In the bolded...the recover rate, that MAY be fine and dandy and all, but given that those that recover likely have succumbed to lowered quality life. If you go to Med Cram on YouTube (not doing the link, for aforementioned reasons) the Update 99: "Long Haulers" - Lingering & Long-Term Symptoms After COVID-19 the term coined to the post-recovered patients that still have had damaged done to them and lingering symptoms that come and go for months after.

Also, the premise to the video:

A significant number of patients who've had COVID-19 report lingering and persistent symptoms 2 months or longer after their initial diagnosis. Dr. Seheult of  Med Cram discusses the data we have on COVID-19 "long haulers" including a recent study published in JAMA that showed that only 12.6% of patients hospitalized with COVID-19 reported being back to their baseline at about 60 days post-infection.

So there's THAT pill to swallow.

[SincereOnlineGuy]

6 hours ago, Spring1234 said:

 

If the virus is so contagious you would think

If this were true, then the virus would not spread at all.

 

 

[Fresh_Start]

1 hour ago, QuietRiot said:

In the bolded...the recover rate, that MAY be fine and dandy and all, but given that those that recover likely have succumbed to lowered quality life. If you go to Med Cram on YouTube (not doing the link, for aforementioned reasons) the Update 99: "Long Haulers" - Lingering & Long-Term Symptoms After COVID-19 the term coined to the post-recovered patients that still have had damaged done to them and lingering symptoms that come and go for months after.

Also, the premise to the video:

A significant number of patients who've had COVID-19 report lingering and persistent symptoms 2 months or longer after their initial diagnosis. Dr. Seheult of  Med Cram discusses the data we have on COVID-19 "long haulers" including a recent study published in JAMA that showed that only 12.6% of patients hospitalized with COVID-19 reported being back to their baseline at about 60 days post-infection.

So there's THAT pill to swallow.

👏 

Right on cue. 

Rather than focusing on the silver lining that the mortality rate has dropped all the way down to 6% when at one point it was over 20% (due in large part to New York being caught with its pants down in not having nearly enough ventilators or hospital rooms to go around), let's now shift the focus to the fact that a single study consisting of no more than 143 patients shows that the patients in that study have persistent symptoms up to 60 days post-infection.  12.6% of those who participated in the study are asymptomatic at a mean duration of 60 days, 32% had one or two symptoms, and 55% had 3 or more symptoms.  The most frequently reported symptoms were fatigue and dyspnea (shortness of breath). 

I'm looking at the exact same study, published in the American College of Cardiology.  You're willfully ignoring the very small sample size, the mean age, the mean duration, the location (Rome, Italy), the fact that the data was collected retrospectively, that all patients in the study were patients who had been hospitalized with acute cases, that 73% of them had pneumonia (from the video), that their average BMI was 26 (overweight, also from the video), and that it is unknown whether the persistent fatigue and dyspnea are related to pulmonary or non-pulmonary issues such as arrhythmias or heart failure.  That is a terrible sample to be drawing any definitive conclusions from and acting like it applies to all recovered COVID-19 cases.  All that it inconclusively tells us is that if you're in a high risk category and have an acute case of COVID-19, you are more likely to experience persistent symptoms.   

In the future, I would advise you (and everybody else) to consider all of the facts in any research that is conducted and to view them as objectively as possible before haphazardly regurgitating them as panicburgers on a relationship message board.  

[Spring1234]

Wow thanks for all the info. It's hard to find answers these days. 

So, most of the people getting this virus are those not taking it seriously it or been around those not taking it seriously? 

How did the mayor of Atlanta Keisha Lance Bottoms get it? Her son got it and gave it to his parents, she said her son and them haven't been anywhere. She was shocked they were positive. 

Everywhere is opened and you're always hearing parties happening, packed beaches and places. My friend's neighbor had a 300 person engagement party last month, my friend didn't go. She talked to her neighbor who is a huge Trump supporter and they didn't wear masks, distance, had a buffet and bar. The neighbor said nobody got sick. She told her guests to inform her if anyone got sick to let everyone know to quarantine. How could nobody spread the virus? 

My neighbor had a huge BBQ yesterday with about 50 people outside. 

I just don't understand how these people aren't worried. People do die from this, pass it to vulnerable people or have long term effects. Why don't these people care and think they're immune? I think that's the biggest mystery in this whole thing. I'm honestly curious why people don't think it's that serious or why they're not worried about getting it. 

If it's so contagious wouldn't it still be spreading more? 

Like you would think at personal care places, day cares, indoor dining, you don't hear about outbreaks from these places anymore. Is it because they're taking precautions now? Like masks make a huge difference. 

Do you think places are having mild outbreaks but it doesn't make the news until it's substantial?

What is the point in temp checks? Asymptomatic people and plenty of others don't have temps with covid. 

Also why would anyone get tested? If you're feeling fine why would you get tested? If you're feeling ill why not just assume you have covid and quarantine yourself. There's no treatment so why wait for hours to get tested? If you're really bad go to the hospital.

These cases are of the people that got tested, I can't imagine how many more cases are out there from people who didn't get tested because they're asymptomatic or just home sick. 

Why would anyone get tested? What for? Just to know you had it? I would never wait in a huge line. 

Thanks!!!

Edited August 1, 2020 by Spring1234

[Redhead14]

4 hours ago, Spring1234 said:

So, most of the people getting this virus are those not taking it seriously it or been around those not taking it seriously? 

How did the mayor of Atlanta Keisha Lance Bottoms get it? Her son got it and gave it to his parents, she said her son and them haven't been anywhere. She was shocked they were positive. 

 

I wouldn't say most of the people getting this are not taking it seriously.  It only takes one person to not take it seriously and be a host to keep it going and the people who are taking it seriously to "drop their guard" here and there or be absentminded about washing hands or distancing at times.  Again, it's hard to be 100% protected.

As for the mayor and her family? . . . people lie.  Especially, politicians. 

Edited August 1, 2020 by Redhead14

[serial muse]

16 hours ago, amaysngrace said:

Somebody died in a motorcycle accident and they recorded it as a covid death.

Also, a peach tested positive for coronavirus.  
 

That pretty much explains it all.

Links please. 

[elaine567]

Whether one takes it seriously or not, a person can still get the virus. There are just too many variables to be able to cover all bases.
Areas that are free from virus can go from zero to a disaster in a short space of time.
That is the problem when you are dealing with a highly transmissible virus, a virus that exhibits asymptomatic spread, a virus that can transmit before disease is even evident.  

5 hours ago, Spring1234 said:

. My friend's neighbor had a 300 person engagement party last month, my friend didn't go. She talked to her neighbor who is a huge Trump supporter and they didn't wear masks, distance, had a buffet and bar. The neighbor said nobody got sick. She told her guests to inform her if anyone got sick to let everyone know to quarantine. How could nobody spread the virus? 

In order for anyone to get the virus someone a the party would have had to have the virus, if no-one had active viral infection then no-one gets ill...
Of course some may have had mild or asymptomatic infection and some may have not admitted to being ill, for all sorts of reasons...

[Bluesky00]

Where I live ppl are going to bars which are still open, eat out at restaurants, party with no masks, house parties mostly by the younger crowd. Government have repeatedly said in the beginning that only old people who are over 60 can get it, so many younger crowd think it’s safe to go out and party 

[Redhead14]

1 minute ago, Bluesky00 said:

Where I live ppl are going to bars which are still open, eat out at restaurants, party with no masks, house parties mostly by the younger crowd. Government have repeatedly said in the beginning that only old people who are over 60 can get it, so many younger crowd think it’s safe to go out and party 

Where do you live? I never saw anything that said only older people can get it.  People over 60 are most likely to die because of it.  Younger people can and do get it but they have milder cases and fewer underlying conditions so some aren't really worried for themselves.  They can get it and then bring it home to their parents and grandparents.  That's the message that isn't being conveyed well enough perhaps.  Besides all that, we've learned more since the beginning of all this.  Some people aren't bothering to keep informed and/or don't trust the info or simply think they know better and are omniscient.

[Redhead14]

17 minutes ago, Redhead14 said:

Where do you live? I never saw anything that said only older people can get it.  People over 60 are most likely to die because of it.  Younger people can and do get it but they have milder cases and fewer underlying conditions so some aren't really worried for themselves.  They can get it and then bring it home to their parents and grandparents.  That's the message that isn't being conveyed well enough perhaps.  Besides all that, we've learned more since the beginning of all this.  Some people aren't bothering to keep informed and/or don't trust the info or simply think they know better and are omniscient.

Or they spin the information to suit their agenda and to justify doing whatever the F they want regardless of who is at risk.