How do you even get covid?

[Spring1234]

16 hours ago, elaine567 said:

Whether one takes it seriously or not, a person can still get the virus. There are just too many variables to be able to cover all bases.
Areas that are free from virus can go from zero to a disaster in a short space of time.
That is the problem when you are dealing with a highly transmissible virus, a virus that exhibits asymptomatic spread, a virus that can transmit before disease is even evident.  

In order for anyone to get the virus someone a the party would have had to have the virus, if no-one had active viral infection then no-one gets ill...
Of course some may have had mild or asymptomatic infection and some may have not admitted to being ill, for all sorts of reasons...

If someone there had mild symptoms, or was asymptomatic wouldn't they have spread the virus? 

Just they got really lucky nobody at this 300 person party spread it.

[Spring1234]

I think there's so much misinformation out there. America doesn't have a solid plan. It's amazing you don't hear anything about the casino workers in Vegas or Disneyworld employees getting sick. 

I just don't understand how certain things don't spread the virus, but others do. You would think Georgia schools will have a massive outbreak and so many other places but you don't hear about them. I know their schools just opened, but let's say we don't hear about an outbreak how could that possibly be? I guess masks really work. 

Would any of you get the vaccine? I don't want to be first in line. I would like to wait and see how it effects others first. 

This is just my opinion, but I just think it's rushed because they have to get something out. I don't know anyone who is going to get it right away. 

Who knows if this vaccine will even work. I would like more treatments to be made available so at least you don't get so sick if you get it.

 

[elaine567]

3 hours ago, Spring1234 said:

If someone there had mild symptoms, or was asymptomatic wouldn't they have spread the virus? 

Yes, of course.
This virus is highly transmissible from person to person.

[Redhead14]

7 hours ago, Spring1234 said:

I think there's so much misinformation out there. America doesn't have a solid plan. It's amazing you don't hear anything about the casino workers in Vegas or Disneyworld employees getting sick. 

I just don't understand how certain things don't spread the virus, but others do. You would think Georgia schools will have a massive outbreak and so many other places but you don't hear about them. I know their schools just opened, but let's say we don't hear about an outbreak how could that possibly be? I guess masks really work. 

Would any of you get the vaccine? I don't want to be first in line. I would like to wait and see how it effects others first. 

This is just my opinion, but I just think it's rushed because they have to get something out. I don't know anyone who is going to get it right away. 

Who knows if this vaccine will even work. I would like more treatments to be made available so at least you don't get so sick if you get it.

 

Sping1234, the very minimal efforts we've been taking collectively have been working or we would be even worse off than we are.  If we had taken these measures, sooner, we might be through it by now or at least have a much better handle on things.  There is misinformation out there because the other things that are out there are people who don't use common sense, don't want to be told what to do, don't want to believe the virus is real, have an agenda, and people who just know everything about everything and pick and choose and spin information to suit their agenda and attitudes.

I will wait for a while after the vaccine becomes available.  I am high-risk so I really need a vaccine but I'm not going to do it until I see the success or lack thereof.

[QuietRiot]

2 minutes ago, Redhead14 said:

Sping1234, the very minimal efforts we've been taking collectively have been working or we would be even worse off than we are.  If we had taken these measures, sooner, we might be through it by now or at least have a much better handle on things.  There is misinformation out there because the other things that are out there are people who don't use common sense, don't want to be told what to do, don't want to believe the virus is real, have an agenda, and people who just know everything about everything and pick and choose and spin information to suit their agenda and attitudes.

I will wait for a while after the vaccine becomes available.  I am high-risk so I really need a vaccine but I'm not going to do it until I see the success or lack thereof.

I hope so...I am very hopeful regarding Oxford's vaccine. Said to be very promising and on phase 3 human trails now.

[Redhead14]

1 minute ago, QuietRiot said:

I hope so...I am very hopeful regarding Oxford's vaccine. Said to be very promising and on phase 3 human trails now.

I'm a little skeptical because we were told that it takes more like 18 months for a vaccine to be tested and proven back in the beginning of this mess.  Anyone who gets one out so much sooner is suspect to me and I wonder what's going on behind those doors in terms of filling someones agenda and money flow etc.

[elaine567]

Supposedly there are 23 different vaccines that have already progressed to human trial according to the virologist Chris Smith on the radio today.
He also said we have never before been able to make a vaccine against a coronavirus, it usually takes about 10 years to make a vaccine and we also have no idea how long a vaccine may provide protection against the virus. It is also a huge task to provide vaccine for 8 billion people or 16 billion if there needs to be two doses given. 
He also outlined that providing adequate coverage  of vaccine in poor countries may be logistically difficult and if that means there are continuing nests of viral spread in some countries then with global travel the virus may continue to be a problem for many years. 

 

[BC1980]

On 7/31/2020 at 1:00 AM, Spring1234 said:

I just don't understand how there can be 50,000+ cases a day? I certainly believe it, but just how did these people get the virus?

Like in the beginning nobody was wearing a mask and now most people are and the numbers are higher. Are people getting it at bars, but I thought most bars are closed. They never really say where people are getting this virus. I originally thought at salons, but you don't hear about outbreaks there anymore and everyone I know goes to salons all the time.

So everyone is just getting it at friends houses or parties? Are people getting it at stores? I haven't heard of any workers sick. 

I just don't get it. I thought you don't really get it from touching surfaces or passing by people. I thought it is more close contact with people with no masks. All 50,000+ people were in close contact with people with no mask? 

I guess with no way to contact trace you can pick it up anywhere....

Thank you for anyone that can make me understand.

It spreads a lot faster than the flu or the common cold because there is no herd immunity to it. 

[Spring1234]

Does anyone know why so many people line up in their cars to get tested? Like what's the point? If you're sick, quarantine yourself and assume you have it. If you're really sick go to the hospital. What's the point of people who have no symptoms get tested? 

I would never wait in these long lines.

[Redhead14]

9 minutes ago, Spring1234 said:

Does anyone know why so many people line up in their cars to get tested? Like what's the point? If you're sick, quarantine yourself and assume you have it. If you're really sick go to the hospital. What's the point of people who have no symptoms get tested? 

I would never wait in these long lines.

I agree that getting tested is a waste of time, unless it's a test for the antibodies, maybe.  The test is only good for the moment it's taken.  After you leave the testing site, you could become exposed at anytime. 

[QuietRiot]

8 hours ago, elaine567 said:

Supposedly there are 23 different vaccines that have already progressed to human trial according to the virologist Chris Smith on the radio today.
He also said we have never before been able to make a vaccine against a coronavirus, it usually takes about 10 years to make a vaccine and we also have no idea how long a vaccine may provide protection against the virus. It is also a huge task to provide vaccine for 8 billion people or 16 billion if there needs to be two doses given. 
He also outlined that providing adequate coverage  of vaccine in poor countries may be logistically difficult and if that means there are continuing nests of viral spread in some countries then with global travel the virus may continue to be a problem for many years. 

 

Well, I have faith in some of these vaccines. We've come pretty far in medical advancement. So we'll see. I'm not as skeptical. If it will take past 2021 to have a vaccine, as you said, 10 years, chances are most of us, or either all us in these here forums, by year X, we'll say "F-it...I'm hanging out with my small circle of friends"  😛

Edited August 2, 2020 by QuietRiot

[basil67]

42 minutes ago, Spring1234 said:

Does anyone know why so many people line up in their cars to get tested? Like what's the point? If you're sick, quarantine yourself and assume you have it. If you're really sick go to the hospital. What's the point of people who have no symptoms get tested? 

I would never wait in these long lines.

We don't all have the option to quarantine ourselves each time we get a throat tickle.  My son had a cough recently and wasn't allowed to have a support worker until he was cleared.   Him getting tested means that his support workers stays working.    My husband and his sisters help care for their elderly father - if they just quarantined, who will care for dad?   I'm the one who does the groceries.  Also, testing gives contact tracers the ability to locate others who are at risk.    For those who test positive, we're frequently able to trace them back to a known source.  Or when there is minimal infection, even trace them back to patient zero.  

If you wouldn't wait in those long lines, then you don't receive the information those close to you need to make informed decisions about their own health.  This type of attitude is why COVID infections look like the 50,000 cases you were asking about.   It's not just about you, it's about everyone around you.

 

[Redhead14]

31 minutes ago, QuietRiot said:

Well, I have faith in some of these vaccines. We've come pretty far in medical advancement. So we'll see. I'm not as skeptical. If it will take past 2021 to have a vaccine, as you said, 10 years, chances are most of us, or either all us in these here forums, by year X, we'll say "F-it...I'm hanging out with my small circle of friends"  😛

Considering what's going on in the country/world these days, I am completely OK with being home and away from other people now.  It's very peaceful.  In the beginning I was resentful of having to shut myself in to protect myself because so many people felt that older people/people at risk are disposable and just collateral damage so that they can continue to do whatever the F they want.    But, now I'm embracing it and finding it calming and makes me focus on what's really important to me -- my kids/friends/family, etc., gardening, watching the hummingbirds.  The simple things in life. (This attitude may change though when one of my kids has kids and I can't hold the babies).

I also like the ignore feature on these boards   It's very liberating to toggle off all the bullsh*t.

Edited August 2, 2020 by Redhead14

[Redhead14]

4 minutes ago, basil67 said:

We don't all have the option to quarantine ourselves each time we get a throat tickle.  My son had a cough recently and wasn't allowed to have a support worker until he was cleared.   Him getting tested means that his support workers stays working.    My husband and his sisters help care for their elderly father - if they just quarantined, who will care for dad?   I'm the one who does the groceries.  Also, testing gives contact tracers the ability to locate others who are at risk.    For those who test positive, we're frequently able to trace them back to a known source.  Or when there is minimal infection, even trace them back to patient zero.  

If you wouldn't wait in those long lines, then you don't receive the information those close to you need to make informed decisions about their own health.  This type of attitude is why COVID infections look like the 50,000 cases you were asking about.   It's not just about you, it's about everyone around you.

 

I agree that if someone suspects they have it or have some kind of symptoms, they should get tested.  But, people who aren't displaying any kind of symptoms don't need to be tested really. There are people going to be tested who are doing it just for the sake of being tested.  They should leave the tests for the people who might actually need it. 

[basil67]

They also need to be tested if they were in close proximity with someone who who's tested positive or have been tracked by contact tracers

Edited August 2, 2020 by basil67

[Spring1234]

Okay yes it makes sense to be tested if you have symptoms or have been exposed so you're clear to work. However those that don't have symptoms or haven't been exposed don't need to. Also those that can quarantine themselves for 2 weeks don't need to be tested. I also thought you could get tested at your doc, are the people at testing sites those that don't have doctors? 

So all those people waiting in line had symptoms and can't quarantine unless absolutely necessary. 

The sake of being tested just to be tested makes no sense.

I was really angry in the beginning of this having to stay home because of selfish people doing whatever they want and money hungry governors only caring about the economy. However, now I'm just bored and just have accepted it didn't have to be this way . I live with my parents 60+ and I can't take any chances. I also don't think I'm immune to serious illness even though I'm in my 20's. There was a 28 year old who needed lung transplants. 

My friend's cousins were in ICU. I know it's real just surprised again you don't hear about outbreaks at stores, Disney, casinos, water parks, beach towns. People working there everyday around tons of people and no issues with such a contagious virus is hard to believe. 

That neighbor who had 300 people over her house is convinced the virus is not that serious because nobody there got sick. 

If it's so contagious you just would think cases would be higher with everything being opened and the protests. 

Well like I said there may be people at home who are sick and didn't get tested, or plenty asymptomatic people.

What do you think it will take for people and governors to take it seriously? How many deaths, how many hospitalizations?

Also I'm still confused why NYC is fine, are they not really opened? So crowded there and people travel there all the time. Why isn't the virus back there? 

[Spring1234]

I just don't understand why a medical emergency has turned political! Why is Trump and governors making decisions and not doctors? It's like Fauci making decisions about the economy or laws. Doctor's should be deciding what steps are taken.

Edited August 3, 2020 by Spring1234

[Spring1234]

3 hours ago, basil67 said:

We don't all have the option to quarantine ourselves each time we get a throat tickle.  My son had a cough recently and wasn't allowed to have a support worker until he was cleared.   Him getting tested means that his support workers stays working.    My husband and his sisters help care for their elderly father - if they just quarantined, who will care for dad?   I'm the one who does the groceries.  Also, testing gives contact tracers the ability to locate others who are at risk.    For those who test positive, we're frequently able to trace them back to a known source.  Or when there is minimal infection, even trace them back to patient zero.  

If you wouldn't wait in those long lines, then you don't receive the information those close to you need to make informed decisions about their own health.  This type of attitude is why COVID infections look like the 50,000 cases you were asking about.   It's not just about you, it's about everyone around you.

 

Also, don't test results take like 10 days to get back, so what's the point of being tested then, you don't get results quickly, so you have to quarantine while you're waiting if you have symptoms or been exposed anyway? 

[QuietRiot]

1 hour ago, Spring1234 said:

Also, don't test results take like 10 days to get back, so what's the point of being tested then, you don't get results quickly, so you have to quarantine while you're waiting if you have symptoms or been exposed anyway? 

They got rapid testing now.

[Spring1234]

16 minutes ago, QuietRiot said:

They got rapid testing now.

Where my news said it's taking up to 2 weeks?

[basil67]

3 hours ago, Spring1234 said:

Also, don't test results take like 10 days to get back, so what's the point of being tested then, you don't get results quickly, so you have to quarantine while you're waiting if you have symptoms or been exposed anyway? 

My son get tested on Friday and got results in 24 hours.    For the US, I just found a thing that said 2 days to a week.   Yes, this is far too long, but still, people have to know so that those around them can make informed decisions.

5 hours ago, Spring1234 said:

Also those that can quarantine themselves for 2 weeks don't need to be tested.

Yes, they do need to be tested so that those who have been exposed to them can make informed choices about their own quarantine or risk to others.   People who don't test when they've got symptoms this are part of the reason there are some huge spikes.   Honestly, if someone I'd met got symptoms and didn't test/tell me, I would dump them as a friend.  A person who knowingly allows me to put my loved ones at risk is not a friend worth having.  

Edited August 3, 2020 by basil67

[Spring1234]

2 hours ago, basil67 said:

My son get tested on Friday and got results in 24 hours.    For the US, I just found a thing that said 2 days to a week.   Yes, this is far too long, but still, people have to know so that those around them can make informed decisions.

Yes, they do need to be tested so that those who have been exposed to them can make informed choices about their own quarantine or risk to others.   People who don't test when they've got symptoms this are part of the reason there are some huge spikes.   Honestly, if someone I'd met got symptoms and didn't test/tell me, I would dump them as a friend.  A person who knowingly allows me to put my loved ones at risk is not a friend worth having.  

Okay yes I'm in the US, and results are back minimum 5 days to up to 2 weeks. Those test results are useless at that point. If you have symptoms you should just assume you have it and let people you've been in contact with know. I think waiting in 9 hour lines is ridiculous.

[clia]

13 hours ago, Spring1234 said:

Also I'm still confused why NYC is fine, are they not really opened? So crowded there and people travel there all the time. Why isn't the virus back there? 

New York is averaging 700-800 cases a day, so while it is obviously doing much better than it was, I don't know if that's really "fine."  But in NYC there is still no indoor dining, and most of the major tourist attractions (e..g., museums) still aren't open yet or only opened within the past couple weeks or so at hugely reduced capacity (e.g., Empire State Building).  Also, like most other states, no theater, big events, sports, etc.  They also require quarantine of people coming in from many other states, so I'm not sure what the tourist situation is like right now (or why you would even want to go to NYC under these conditions).  I expect to see an uptick when they open indoor dining, but I guess we'll see what happens.  

And I agree with you about the delays in test results -- I'm hearing delays up to two weeks, which makes them pretty much useless for many.

[notbroken]

Make no mistake, lots of people got this rioting even if the media doesn't report that.  People carry the virus.  It is contagious.   Going where there are people is risky behavior.  Going where there are lots of people is even riskier.    It takes about 3-4 weeks from an event for the numbers to show up.   Back track to the dates of the riots and Memorial Day and look at the trends.   It takes about a week from exposure to become infected.  People are in denial for a few days as they get sicker and infect others.   They finally get tested and then it takes a while to get the results.  In then takes a little while longer for that to actually show up in the stats.  Hence 3-4 weeks from large gatherings to showing in the stats.  Memorial Day was a disaster here in the US.   Riots.  Partying.  People were sick of being inside and went out like it was 5 years ago.  We are all paying for it now.     

[serial muse]

On 8/1/2020 at 3:38 PM, amaysngrace said:

sure no problemo
 

https://www.google.com/amp/s/cbs12.com/amp/news/local/man-who-died-in-motorcycle-crash-counted-as-covid-19-death-in-florida-report

oh my bad, it wasn’t a peach, it was a papaya

https://www.google.com/amp/s/globalnews.ca/news/6910821/coronavirus-papaya-goat-tanzania/amp/

 

 

Yeah, I suspected it was this. That statement by the Tanzanian president is complete nonsense. Here's why.

1. He made this offhand comment during a televised speech in which he also hawked an unproven herbal "remedy" for COVID19. https://www.bbc.com/news/world-africa-52519853?xtor=AL-72-[partner]-[inforadio]-[headline]-[news]-[bizdev]-[isapi]

2. The head of Africa's Centres for Disease Control and Prevention categorically denied anything wrong with the tests, which are used across Africa. https://www.reuters.com/article/us-health-coronavirus-tanzania-tests/africa-disease-centre-rejects-tanzanias-allegation-that-its-coronavirus-tests-faulty-idUSKBN22J1FO

3. In that same Reuters story, the chief spokesman for Tanzania's govt said that the president's comments were "based on initial tests run by using animals ... to test the veracity of the test results." He promised that when the team finalizes its work, those data would be released. That has not happened. (Of course). This story was from April. There is still no data to back up the president's claim. He suspended the head of its national health laboratory and let go a bunch of people, too. Hm.  https://www.reuters.com/article/us-health-coronavirus-tanzania-idUSKBN22G295

4. Moreover, since April 29, Tanzania has not submitted any official reports on its COVID19 cases or mortality. https://www.bbc.com/news/world-africa-52723594 However, the US embassy in Tanzania issued an alert on May 13 warning that hospitals in Dar es Salaam were being overwhelmed.  https://t.co/ltRqmBRspn?amp=1

5. Tanzania's president has political motivation to deny that COVID19 is a problem in the country. He faces an election this fall. He's being challenged on his leadership through the pandemic by political rivals (and has retaliated with abuses of power, such as by calling for opposition MPs who were self-isolating to not get paid). 

(That sounds familiar.)

tl;dr - Tanzania hasn't released ANY COVID19 data from the country since early May. But other sources say hospitals are overwhelmed. The Tanzanian president is lying.

 

As to the motorcycle crash - he was removed from the official tally of COVID19 deaths. Huzzah. But somehow this ONE person is supposed to counter the confirmed >7000 deaths in Florida alone so far, and the over 487,000 confirmed cases in the state???  https://www.fox35orlando.com/news/fox-35-investigates-questions-raised-after-fatal-motorcycle-crash-listed-as-covid-19-death

That is some epic cherry-picking of data right there.

Edited August 3, 2020 by serial muse