Meeting more crystal crunchers these days

[QuietRiot]

11 hours ago, Ruby Slippers said:

I'm pretty "woo woo" myself, but a high-earning professional with a high-profile, well-respected organization, living in a nice home bought with my own money, on track to retire with a nice nest egg, quite stable in terms of career, money, and the basics of life.

In general, women are more intuitive and in touch with feelings, and men are more rational and facts-based, skeptical of things not materially visible and quantifiable. As woman's earning power and freedom rise, these intuitive arts are gaining more traction. 

I enjoy some of this stuff as part of the study of many different branches of philosophy, personality typing systems, and so on. I don't believe that crystals have any powers, but I do think they're beautiful, so I have a few sprinkled around simply for aesthetic appeal. 

Another point is that while I'm not Christian per se, I do think one has to be careful with these "magic arts," as when taken too far, one can create space for "dark forces" to enter. My woo woo stuff is all about getting in touch with my higher power, angelic forces, you could say. 

I date mostly intelligent, accomplished men who are open enough to listen to all my out-there ideas. They might be a little skeptical at first, but once I start reading them like a book, they start listening a lot closer.

I'd say there's a difference being intuitive vs the dark forces. What is considered "woo woo"? 

[QuietRiot]

1 minute ago, basil67 said:

@QuietRiot you've spoken about this before 

Are you still talking about the same people, or have you found more of them?   If it's the same people, it's time to let it go.   If you keep finding more, just put on your profile that you're a skeptic.  

I found it ironic that someone was willing to date me regardless of us having had incompatible astrological sides. It's interesting how they are willing to compromise in one moment, and then flip flop back to saying, "Nope, sorry, he/she is a Pisces...deal breaker!"  lol

[basil67]

To reiterate, if You put in your profile that you’re a skeptic and want someone with a similar outlook, this will cease to be a problem 

[Ruby Slippers]

Woo woo = spirituality, mysticism, or alternative medicine stuff 

[Wiseman2]

2 hours ago, basil67 said:

To reiterate, if You put in your profile that you’re a skeptic and want someone with a similar outlook, this will cease to be a problem 

It's that simple. Don't hang out with people you find controversial

[mark clemson]

5 hours ago, jspice said:

You and other men in this thread are judging women who believe in things that you don’t. They’re only good enough to sleep with. What a f***ed up thing to say.

Exactly why is that a fuxxed up thing to say?

There are people in the world you might find attractive and fun, including to the point of being interested in sex, but recognize that they're probably not going to be a LT thing for you.

Many people do that in many ways. For example women who find a guy who's "hot" but doesn't have good career prospects and have a short term fling with them.

You can do what you want with your life and with your sexuality. Seems like you are being equally as "judgy" as anyone else around there.

[sothereiwas]

6 hours ago, jspice said:

What does it hurt you?

It hurts people who are foolish enough to buy into that codswallop. 

[sothereiwas]

5 hours ago, QuietRiot said:

I'd say there's a difference being intuitive vs the dark forces.

Physics and math says some pretty interesting things might be true. For instance, there is a mathematical proof that's being examined that says perhaps, maybe, everything happened when the universe came into existence. What we perceive as the flow of time is merely our perception. The math works, and some experiments can be devised to potentially falsify the theory. That last bit is the difference between science and things like flat earthers and crystal people. No experimental evidence will dissuade a true crystal practitioner or a naturopath from spreading their 'information'.

[mark clemson]

It's also quite possible science will one day recognize some aspects of the woo woo stuff, if they can be demonstrated/falsified. Scientific thought changes over time. For example, giant squid were once considered sailor's tales. Then a few washed up under circumstances where they could be preserved.

Maybe "chi" IS a thing, for example. I've seen a few TV shows where some of these martial artists appear to do things that shouldn't be possible (such as striking a sensor with force approximating that of a small car). Possibly it's just a trick within normal physics, possibly something else. Presumably sooner or later someone will figure out how to test it. Science comes up with weird stuff all the time actually (e.g. extremophiles, quantum entanglement, pulsars, etc).

[sothereiwas]

3 minutes ago, mark clemson said:

Possibly it's just a trick within normal physics, possibly something else.

My bet would be that the nature of the force application lies outside the design parameters of the sensor, or the (a trick within normal physics) units used to measure are misleading, or something like that. When these claims are subject to independent controlled scrutiny, the people making the claim tend to suddenly hear their mother calling and have to go home. 

But I do agree, there is still a lot for science to quantify. I find physics fascinating for that reason. The currently well accepted concept that the universe is finite, that time sprang into existence when the universe did, thing like that border on the metaphysical, and are hard to think about, at least for me. We don't even have the vocabulary to talk about what happened before time existed, let alone intuitively understand it. It's like trying to imagine what a 5 dimensional cube looks like. 

But the energy of a dog? That's just our neural net noticing the sensory input that accompanied the dog. 

[Weezy1973]

43 minutes ago, mark clemson said:

It's also quite possible science will one day recognize some aspects of the woo woo stuff, if they can be demonstrated/falsified.

Absolutely, but the key is to believe if and when the evidence comes in to support it. 

[sothereiwas]

5 minutes ago, Weezy1973 said:

Absolutely, but the key is to believe if and when the evidence comes in to support it. 

It's possibly to scientifically quantify a thing we don't understand. A properly designed series of tests can determine if an effect is real without explaining how it works. This is done all the time with things that are real. Woo is generally, for me, reserved for things that can't be shown to work in any measurable way. 

[S2B]

8 hours ago, QuietRiot said:

Yeah...but crystals?

Sure - crystals have chemical makeup and that provides energy. 

[Ruby Slippers]

2 hours ago, mark clemson said:

It's also quite possible science will one day recognize some aspects of the woo woo stuff, if they can be demonstrated/falsified. Scientific thought changes over time. For example, giant squid were once considered sailor's tales. Then a few washed up under circumstances where they could be preserved.

Two of the most brilliant scientists of all time were totally woo woo. 

Nikola Tesla said: If you want to find the secrets of the universe, think in terms of energy, frequency, and vibration.

Einstein's famous equation, E = mc2, means Energy = mass x the speed of light squared. In other words, EVERYTHING is ENERGY. 

All these intuitive arts are just taking different paths in attempt to arrive at the same basic truths.

[Ruby Slippers]

2 hours ago, Weezy1973 said:

Absolutely, but the key is to believe if and when the evidence comes in to support it. 

Smart, intuitive people don't wait to be shown the evidence. They seek out the evidence and show it to everyone else.

[sothereiwas]

2 minutes ago, Ruby Slippers said:

Smart, intuitive people don't wait to be shown the evidence. They seek out the evidence and show it to everyone else.

The plural of anecdote is not data. I'd be happy to see real science that backs up any of it. 

[Weezy1973]

1 hour ago, Ruby Slippers said:

Two of the most brilliant scientists of all time were totally woo woo. 

Nikola Tesla said: If you want to find the secrets of the universe, think in terms of energy, frequency, and vibration.

Einstein's famous equation, E = mc2, means Energy = mass x the speed of light squared. In other words, EVERYTHING is ENERGY. 

 

They weren’t woo woo. They had falsifiable hypotheses that they tested and others tested and have held up over time. Astrology has been tested and was shown to be false. As have many pseudoscientific beliefs. Also, Tesla and Einstein are using the scientific definition of energy:

“In physics, energy is the quantitative property that must be transferred to an object in order to perform work on, or to heat, the object.“

People use the word energy in pseudoscience to mean something mysterious and mystical or magical when it actually has a precise definition. 

1 hour ago, Ruby Slippers said:

Smart, intuitive people don't wait to be shown the evidence. They seek out the evidence and show it to everyone else.

I don’t really know what this means, but nobody in this thread are testing hypotheses using the scientific method. They just believe in these things regardless of there being no evidence to support them. And to tie it back to the OP, that sometimes isn’t the best characteristic if you’re looking for a life partner. 

Edited August 9, 2020 by Weezy1973

[basil67]

1 hour ago, Ruby Slippers said:

Smart, intuitive people don't wait to be shown the evidence. They seek out the evidence and show it to everyone else.

Most of us aren't trained in scientific investigation.   Sure, there are some out there on the interwebs who read various things and *think* they have evidence for all kinds of rubbish... however they aren't credible because their methodology isn't shared for critique and there's that whole lack of peer review in their findings.  

So for those of us who don't have the training and expertise, waiting for the findings of those who do have these advantages is the sensible thing to do.   

[jspice]

6 hours ago, sothereiwas said:

It hurts people who are foolish enough to buy into that codswallop. 

In another thread you were adamant that a 16 year didn’t need us interfering with their rights to use their body parts for sex now you want to protect adults who use crystals from themselves because you think it’s “codswallop”

Which is more harmful? An immature 16 year old having sex or a 40 year old woman who chants with crystals?

[sothereiwas]

11 minutes ago, jspice said:

now you want to protect adults who use crystals from themselves

Never said that. 

[jspice]

7 minutes ago, sothereiwas said:

Never said that. 

I’m growing quite tired of your word games and gaslighting. 

[sothereiwas]

10 minutes ago, jspice said:

I’m growing quite tired of your word games and gaslighting. 

OK. Still never advocated for any sort of government intervention. I'm not big on a nanny state. 

What happened to arguing how we want?

Edited August 10, 2020 by sothereiwas

[Trail Blazer]

13 hours ago, jspice said:

What does it hurt you??

You and other men in this thread are judging women who believe in things that you don’t. They’re only good enough to sleep with. What a f***ed up thing to say. 
 

You are religious, right? 
You believe in a man in the sky you’ve never seen. What makes YOUR beliefs better than someone who believes in something else that can’t be seen?? 
 

So what if people believe in star signs or anything similar? 
Do they deserve your disdain?
 

 

So what if we think some women are good enough to sleep with, but they're not good enough to date?  I wouldn't date a woman for so many reasons, but I'd elect to sleep with her for far fewer reasons.  In fact, I'd only need one reason to sleep with her - that being, I found her sexually attractive.

Have you ever had a one night stand?  Have you ever slept with a guy who you wouldn't date?  Unless a woman is a complete prude, or a liar, or is too unattractive to garner enough male interest, then at one point or another, she's had sex with a man she would never want to actually date.

[central]

I met a bunch of them.  Most are very nice, if a little odd, and can be good friends.  Of course, I find anyone who believes in nonsense (God(s), political systems, astrology, etc.) a bit off mentally.  Of course if you're part of the mainstream of such nonsense, it's considered "normal."  None is any more rational or real than any other.

[sothereiwas]

7 minutes ago, central said:

I met a bunch of them. 

Yeah, I try to avoid having crazy friends but we can't control who our relatives have for friends. Just try to keep a poker face and work out a solution to some vexing problem until they stop making sounds.