Glad to see life is almost back to normal, but how?

[BaileyB]

12 hours ago, Spring1234 said:

Exactly life is back to normal, but how when there's still a deadly contagious virus on the loose? Makes you wonder is it so contagious, is it dying out possibly??

It’s not dying out - case numbers are rising almost everywhere for a variety of reasons. It’s not turning into another virus. Plenty of young people are getting it and getting very, very ill. They are certainly passing it to others who are older and not as healthy who are also getting very, very ill. The deaths continue to rise... this isn’t going away anytime soon, despite the fact that the economies have reopened.

The message has and will stay the same - stay home when you can, avoid large groups, stay outside for as much as possible, and wear a mask if you have to be inside. Stay home if you are sick. This will be the same story for many, many months to come...

Seriously Spring1234, you will see and hear many mixed messages. The important thing is to stick to the basics and err on the side of caution. Nothing in life is without risk, but you have to think critically, weigh the risk, and err on the side of caution whenever possible. 

[elaine567]

1 hour ago, QuietRiot said:

You know, I had read there will be NO true immunity unless you take the vaccine, but I have this one friend that wouldn't take that vaccine...even if you put a gun to her had (her words)...said something she had a bad experience with her son almost having died from a previous vaccination in the past of sorts.  

But if you take the vaccine you are safe, it doesn't really matter as regards your personal risk, who else takes it.
I have a feeling vaccination may be made compulsory. 
The economy really needs almost  everyone to be vaccinated in order to recover properly.
No-one really wants unvaccinated people spreading the virus or getting sick.

[BaileyB]

2 minutes ago, elaine567 said:

But if you take the vaccine you are safe, it doesn't really matter as regards your personal risk, who else takes it.
I have a feeling vaccination may be made compulsory. 
The economy really needs almost  everyone to be vaccinated in order to recover properly.
No-one really wants unvaccinated people spreading the virus or getting sick.

The question becomes, will we get an effective vaccination. That is far easier said than done. 

[elaine567]

Just now, BaileyB said:

The question becomes, will we get an effective vaccination. That is far easier said than done. 

Yes.
There is that little problem...

[FMW]

Life in my area is far from what the normal used to be.  But we're adjusting to what is now a new normal after so many months.

Our numbers in my area are pretty high again, it seems much of it may be all the Universities being back in session.  It seems many college-aged people are the ones attending large get-togethers and not wearing masks or social distancing.  One of the Universities has a positive rate 4 times that of the rest of the State.    

But then again there's my mother, in her 70s, who lives a few hundred miles away and has been attending Church every week for months now.  A couple in her Sunday School class both contracted it and were hospitalized.  Two weeks ago, prior to being diagnosed,  they were in a Sunday School class in a room with no social distancing and most of the 25 people were NOT wearing masks.  My mother was wearing a mask, and amazingly appears to have avoided being infected.  But she's still considering going back tomorrow, knowing the circumstances haven't changed.  And she hasn't been quarantining herself, saying she feels fine.  So frustrating.

The news coming out about the progress with the vaccines seems promising.  But we'll still need to continue social distancing and mask wearing for awhile, even after any apparently successful vaccine is available, just to make sure it really is effective.   

[QuietRiot]

34 minutes ago, elaine567 said:

Yes.
There is that little problem...

That's what phase 3 human trails are for.

[QuietRiot]

9 minutes ago, FMW said:

Life in my area is far from what the normal used to be.  But we're adjusting to what is now a new normal after so many months.

Our numbers in my area are pretty high again, it seems much of it may be all the Universities being back in session.  It seems many college-aged people are the ones attending large get-togethers and not wearing masks or social distancing.  One of the Universities has a positive rate 4 times that of the rest of the State.    

But then again there's my mother, in her 70s, who lives a few hundred miles away and has been attending Church every week for months now.  A couple in her Sunday School class both contracted it and were hospitalized.  Two weeks ago, prior to being diagnosed,  they were in a Sunday School class in a room with no social distancing and most of the 25 people were NOT wearing masks.  My mother was wearing a mask, and amazingly appears to have avoided being infected.  But she's still considering going back tomorrow, knowing the circumstances haven't changed.  And she hasn't been quarantining herself, saying she feels fine.  So frustrating.

The news coming out about the progress with the vaccines seems promising.  But we'll still need to continue social distancing and mask wearing for awhile, even after any apparently successful vaccine is available, just to make sure it really is effective.   

It's good she's wearing masks....apparently it is highly effective in that situation. In fact, salon studios where both are wearing masks are proving effective...so business continues to prosper there.

[Spring1234]

6 hours ago, elaine567 said:

Plenty outbreaks in the UK. In one UK city the pubs opened up. One infected guy went on a pub crawl one night and infected people in 20 pubs in the city plus golf courses and restaurants close by.
I really do not see this contagiousness of the virus lessening at all, France is seeing an exponential rise in cases.. and the UK is preparing for a second wave in the winter...
If you are not in a high risk group and are not mixing with high risk friends and relatives then just go out.
There is no need to make up stuff about the virus to justify it.

I'm not making stuff, just I have eyes and like I've said a million times if everyone is everywhere and things are fairly okay then it just can't be as contagious.

I just can't understand or explain it. Is the news just not reporting it anymore? Are people not getting tested anymore and are just sick at home? 

People are finally wearing masks and distancing? 

What got things to reopen safely? How can schools, businesses just operate with tons of people with their noses out? 

I know so many people doing indoor dining with loads of people, other non distancing activities and they're all fine. 

It literally makes no sense our country didn't have to completely lock down again because of all the outbreaks.

[Spring1234]

3 hours ago, QuietRiot said:

It's good she's wearing masks....apparently it is highly effective in that situation. In fact, salon studios where both are wearing masks are proving effective...so business continues to prosper there.

So now masks do help the wearer? They're always saying it protects you from others in case you're asymptomatic.

I always thought it did protect you because germs and particles don't go in your nose and mouth. 

[BaileyB]

20 minutes ago, Spring1234 said:

I'm not making stuff, just I have eyes and like I've said a million times if everyone is everywhere and things are fairly okay then it just can't be as contagious.

But here’s the thing, we reopened this summer and infection rates have increased - everywhere. We were down to 1 active infection, a month later we have 450 - our highest total ever. And it’s the same pretty much everywhere. 

You have to watch the news and think about the situation critically. The virus is still highly contagious, it’s currently spreading primarily between young people because they are out and about this summer, and the numbers can only increase this fall once the weather cools and people go inside. Lockdowns can and will happen again this winter - the area near me that has the highest percentage of cases has already moved to increased restrictions. 

[CaliforniaGirl]

1 hour ago, Spring1234 said:

I'm not making stuff, just I have eyes and like I've said a million times if everyone is everywhere and things are fairly okay then it just can't be as contagious.

I just can't understand or explain it. Is the news just not reporting it anymore? Are people not getting tested anymore and are just sick at home? 

People are finally wearing masks and distancing? 

What got things to reopen safely? How can schools, businesses just operate with tons of people with their noses out? 

I know so many people doing indoor dining with loads of people, other non distancing activities and they're all fine. 

It literally makes no sense our country didn't have to completely lock down again because of all the outbreaks.

You know that restrictions are all different in different areas, right?

[CaliforniaGirl]

1 hour ago, Spring1234 said:

So now masks do help the wearer? They're always saying it protects you from others in case you're asymptomatic.

I always thought it did protect you because germs and particles don't go in your nose and mouth. 

It protects *others* from *you.* That's why if everyone in an area is wearing one, chances of being infected are decreased. Whereas if some dick proudly wears his mask under his nose HE could potentially get OTHERS sick, through the eyes, for instance. Masks help reduce the risk of the wearer spreading the virus because you can't really breathe out through your eyes.

You, the mask wearer, receive your protection by having fewer infected people around you IF people all follow the guidelines. You and anyone else are more likely to get the hell out of these hideous restrictions and closures if we COLLECTIVELY cooperate but yeah...of course, we (collectively) don't. So. Yeah. Instead we have to wait for a year....or more...for a vaccine to come out. It is what it is.

The information on all this has been out there, blow-by-blow and with updates, for half a year.

Edited August 30, 2020 by CaliforniaGirl

[Spring1234]

1 hour ago, BaileyB said:

But here’s the thing, we reopened this summer and infection rates have increased - everywhere. We were down to 1 active infection, a month later we have 450 - our highest total ever. And it’s the same pretty much everywhere. 

You have to watch the news and think about the situation critically. The virus is still highly contagious, it’s currently spreading primarily between young people because they are out and about this summer, and the numbers can only increase this fall once the weather cools and people go inside. Lockdowns can and will happen again this winter - the area near me that has the highest percentage of cases has already moved to increased restrictions. 

I know there's been increases, but for everything being pretty much opened i don't think it's been that high. Honestly, everything can't remain shut down until there's a vaccine, I used to hear people say that and I just thought I understand but people are going to get sick and die and things will have to shutdown again, but nope. Places reopened cases are declining or are steady or have spiked a bit. I guess it was a good move opening since it didn't cause huge spikes enough to close. 

We'll see in the fall and winter what happens, however I bet we'll just keep waiting for spikes, outbreaks that never happen. Hopefully that happens and I don't even understand how the weather changes the virus. I know more people will be inside but people are inside now wearing masks and distancing which seems to help.

We'll have have flu season to deal with too, but who knows if corona will really get worse. 

 

Edited August 30, 2020 by Spring1234

[Spring1234]

1 hour ago, CaliforniaGirl said:

You know that restrictions are all different in different areas, right?

I know, but in N.J., Delaware, PA there doesn't really seem to be. I also have some friends in FL and Vegas who dont seem to either.

Our bars and indoor dining are closed in our city, but literally like 10 minutes away you can go to a restaurant and bar. 

Casinos are packed here, people wear masks to come in then take them off. 

[Spring1234]

1 hour ago, CaliforniaGirl said:

It protects *others* from *you.* That's why if everyone in an area is wearing one, chances of being infected are decreased. Whereas if some dick proudly wears his mask under his nose HE could potentially get OTHERS sick, through the eyes, for instance. Masks help reduce the risk of the wearer spreading the virus because you can't really breathe out through your eyes.

You, the mask wearer, receive your protection by having fewer infected people around you IF people all follow the guidelines. You and anyone else are more likely to get the hell out of these hideous restrictions and closures if we COLLECTIVELY cooperate but yeah...of course, we (collectively) don't. So. Yeah. Instead we have to wait for a year....or more...for a vaccine to come out. It is what it is.

The information on all this has been out there, blow-by-blow and with updates, for half a year.

Right that's what I meant others wearing a mask protests you and you wearing a mask protests others. However, wearing a mask i think helps the wearer too. Like the above post's mom, it helps from particles entering your mouth and nose. 

Everything is open and people are living their lives, it seems like everything is pretty much fine. If you saw my fb feed you would think it was any other weekend. Weddings, vacations, groups of friends hanging inside, family reunion like 50 people, masks here and there. 

I fought with my friend in the Spring saying you won't be able to have this family reunion in August at our shore town. I thought she was crazy, well she texted me photos and I saw her post on Facebook like 50 people together on the beach, boat, pool, restaurants, they're having a great time. They're staying I think at various beach houses together. They all live in NYC, PA, N.J., Connecticut, Maryland, Florida and a few from California. None of them quarantined before they got to the Jersey shore. That quarantine thing is ridiculous because there's no enforcement. I guess the jokes on me. She showed me, I never thought that could happen. Half of them have been traveling to other parts of the country all summer for vacations, ages range from 1 year- 80 years old, obesity, diabetes, a few had and actually have cancer, high blood pressure. Kids have been at summer camps, sports. Like 10 are in the medical field, few are doctors, nurses, why do they think this is safe??

Well I'm sure they'll be fine and if they are just amazing these 50 people didn't have the virus... or some did and it didn't spread.

Edited August 30, 2020 by Spring1234

[CaliforniaGirl]

1 hour ago, Spring1234 said:

I know, but in N.J., Delaware, PA there doesn't really seem to be. I also have some friends in FL and Vegas who dont seem to either.

Our bars and indoor dining are closed in our city, but literally like 10 minutes away you can go to a restaurant and bar. 

Casinos are packed here, people wear masks to come in then take them off. 

Like I said...restrictions are different in different areas.

Like I also said, people aren't bothering to comply, and here we all are, paying for it. (Thanks.)

You want to go to a casino and take off your mask, go to a casino and take off your mask. Who the heck is stopping you? What is this thread for besides to try to get in digs about what a hoax this all is? You're not particularly clever about it but we've all been patient anyway. But dude. Okay, we get it. Everybody in the greater Philadelphia and South Jersey area is healthy and nobody wears a mask. That's awesome.

So go to all those public places you keep saying you want to go to rather than sitting here repetitively saying you want to go and that there's no reason not to go because so few people are actually sick, etc.,.etc.

How many days now have you been telling us how it's all safe and you're dying to go out?

For the love of God just go out already. 

 

[CaliforniaGirl]

1 hour ago, Spring1234 said:

Right that's what I meant others wearing a mask protests you and you wearing a mask protests others. However, wearing a mask i think helps the wearer too. Like the above post's mom, it helps from particles entering your mouth and nose. 

Everything is open and people are living their lives, it seems like everything is pretty much fine. If you saw my fb feed you would think it was any other weekend. Weddings, vacations, groups of friends hanging inside, family reunion like 50 people, masks here and there. 

I fought with my friend in the Spring saying you won't be able to have this family reunion in August at our shore town. I thought she was crazy, well she texted me photos and I saw her post on Facebook like 50 people together on the beach, boat, pool, restaurants, they're having a great time. They're staying I think at various beach houses together. They all live in NYC, PA, N.J., Connecticut, Maryland, Florida and a few from California. None of them quarantined before they got to the Jersey shore. That quarantine thing is ridiculous because there's no enforcement. I guess the jokes on me. She showed me, I never thought that could happen. Half of them have been traveling to other parts of the country all summer for vacations, ages range from 1 year- 80 years old, obesity, diabetes, a few had and actually have cancer, high blood pressure. Kids have been at summer camps, sports. Like 10 are in the medical field, few are doctors, nurses, why do they think this is safe??

Well I'm sure they'll be fine and if they are just amazing these 50 people didn't have the virus... or some did and it didn't spread.

Then. Go. Out.

 

[chillii]

 

That's amazing . lsn't the US on about 6million cases , how could anything possible be anywhere near normal. Maybe they've decided to go for herd immunity

[Spring1234]

3 hours ago, CaliforniaGirl said:

Like I said...restrictions are different in different areas.

Like I also said, people aren't bothering to comply, and here we all are, paying for it. (Thanks.)

You want to go to a casino and take off your mask, go to a casino and take off your mask. Who the heck is stopping you? What is this thread for besides to try to get in digs about what a hoax this all is? You're not particularly clever about it but we've all been patient anyway. But dude. Okay, we get it. Everybody in the greater Philadelphia and South Jersey area is healthy and nobody wears a mask. That's awesome.

So go to all those public places you keep saying you want to go to rather than sitting here repetitively saying you want to go and that there's no reason not to go because so few people are actually sick, etc.,.etc.

How many days now have you been telling us how it's all safe and you're dying to go out?

For the love of God just go out already. 

 

The thread is about why people think things are reopened and there haven't been any major outbreaks. Of course i think it's real and serious that's why I'm still home. I just want to be like others and think I'm invincible. I can't understand how people go to these crowded places? 

I just don't get it.

[CaliforniaGirl]

22 minutes ago, chillii said:

 

That's amazing . lsn't the US on about 6million cases , how could anything possible be anywhere near normal. Maybe they've decided to go for herd immunity

It's not. Trust me. I know people (personally, directly) in all areas of the nation except part of the South and part of the Midwest. I know NOBODY who thinks things are remotely normal.

Please don't get that impression. 

[QuietRiot]

1 hour ago, Spring1234 said:

The thread is about why people think things are reopened and there haven't been any major outbreaks. Of course i think it's real and serious that's why I'm still home. I just want to be like others and think I'm invincible. I can't understand how people go to these crowded places? 

I just don't get it.

Because they willfully ignorant, that's why.

[BaileyB]

3 hours ago, QuietRiot said:

Because they willfully ignorant, that's why.

That explains it perfectly. 

 

[Els]

On 8/26/2020 at 5:03 AM, Spring1234 said:

How about someone's daughter works at Disney and now her mother has covid and is in the hospital then Disney employees have to quarantine. Disney hasn't had any outbreaks, nowhere has... Just makes you wonder the amount of contagion currently with this virus. It does seem to be disappearing. I know it's hard to track guests, but what about employees? They're at these places all day, I'm sure they hang out in the break room, masks off. 

As I said, you don't know where and how patients were infected because there is no contact tracing being done. And frankly speaking there is no possibility of doing contact tracing with the number of cases that you are having. Without investigation and with everything being business as normal, how do you know whether this person got infected by her daughter who works at Disney, her friend whose son got it from the gym, her boyfriend who got it from a pub, etc? There are hundreds of possibilities for every single patient and you are getting thousands a day.

We can see how contagious the virus is in countries that have much fewer cases and who bother with contact tracing. In my area 2 people caused an outbreak that is now 30 cases and counting. We know this because of the sheer number of resources that were put into finding this out. Contact tracing is not an easy or cheap task.

But by all means continue putting your head in the sand. After all, who cares if you spread it as long as you're not personally affected, right?

[Angelle]

30 minutes ago, Elswyth said:

As I said, you don't know where and how patients were infected because there is no contact tracing being done. And frankly speaking there is no possibility of doing contact tracing with the number of cases that you are having. Without investigation and with everything being business as normal, how do you know whether this person got infected by her daughter who works at Disney, her friend whose son got it from the gym, her boyfriend who got it from a pub, etc? There are hundreds of possibilities for every single patient and you are getting thousands a day.

We can see how contagious the virus is in countries that have much fewer cases and who bother with contact tracing. In my area 2 people caused an outbreak that is now 30 cases and counting. We know this because of the sheer number of resources that were put into finding this out. Contact tracing is not an easy or cheap task.

But by all means continue putting your head in the sand. After all, who cares if you spread it as long as you're not personally affected, right?

We have people over here, who consider contact tracing to be a violation of their privacy. I stopped following a few people in the natural/alternative/healthy eating department, because they were ranting against it, as... other things were going on, that I've just remembered I can't talk about here. 

[basil67]

13 hours ago, Spring1234 said:

The thread is about why people think things are reopened and there haven't been any major outbreaks. Of course i think it's real and serious that's why I'm still home. I just want to be like others and think I'm invincible. I can't understand how people go to these crowded places? 

I just don't get it.

Actually no, you're the one who's been saying that there's no major outbreaks and it's not as contagious as you thought it was.   We've been telling you otherwise.