Glad to see life is almost back to normal, but how?

[schlumpy]

34 minutes ago, Angelle said:

We have people over here, who consider contact tracing to be a violation of their privacy. I stopped following a few people in the natural/alternative/healthy eating department, because they were ranting against it, as... other things were going on, that I've just remembered I can't talk about here. 

I imagine that some people are afraid of being traced. Let's say I come home from work and find that my wife who is supposed to be isolating has picked up the virus and the government wants a list of everyone she was in contact with when she was not suppose to be in contact with anyone.

I might feel a bit of suspicion, wouldn't you say?

[Angelle]

8 minutes ago, schlumpy said:

I imagine that some people are afraid of being traced. Let's say I come home from work and find that my wife who is supposed to be isolating has picked up the virus and the government wants a list of everyone she was in contact with when she was not suppose to be in contact with anyone.

I might feel a bit of suspicion, wouldn't you say?

Of your wife?

These people didn't want to be under lockdown, didn't want to wear a mask, didn't want to be traced in any way (even though it would help), ranted about 5G and Bill Gates. You know, the usual.

[basil67]

57 minutes ago, schlumpy said:

I imagine that some people are afraid of being traced. Let's say I come home from work and find that my wife who is supposed to be isolating has picked up the virus and the government wants a list of everyone she was in contact with when she was not suppose to be in contact with anyone.

I might feel a bit of suspicion, wouldn't you say?

Surely she wouldn't be foolish enough to be out doing unmentionable things while she's supposed to be in iso.

This style contact tracing is just normal here in Australia.   We care more about group safety than the privacy of someone who's been up to no good.

[CaliforniaGirl]

1 hour ago, schlumpy said:

I imagine that some people are afraid of being traced. Let's say I come home from work and find that my wife who is supposed to be isolating has picked up the virus and the government wants a list of everyone she was in contact with when she was not suppose to be in contact with anyone.

I might feel a bit of suspicion, wouldn't you say?

No. 🤷‍♀️

[BaileyB]

Indeed. We have a massive outbreak in one area of the province and that is because one person travelled east and “didn’t self isolate properly upon their return.” That area is now under more restrictions - group sizes less than 10, restaurants limited to takeout and patio, bars and gyms closed. Last I heard, It’s affected a meat packing plant (previously unaffected in the spring), three personal care homes affected (we had none in the spring) and I heard today that part of the hospital is now affected. In fact, the mayor was on the news saying - “we got the gold star in the spring, and look at how quickly things changed...”

It is AMAZING how quickly this thing spreads. It is absolutely impossible to demonstrate that in the states - except by looking at the total number of infections - because there are so many infections, people have so many contacts, and there are limitations with testing and contact tracing - it’s impossible for contact tracing to ever be successful in this situation. 

I find it very hard to believe that there are no infections at Disney. Last I heard, they had their own testing site for staff and patrons. “Come to Disney world, enjoy the Magic Kingdom, and get a covid test on you way out the door... 😜

Edited August 30, 2020 by BaileyB

[CaliforniaGirl]

4 hours ago, BaileyB said:

Indeed. We have a massive outbreak in one area of the province and that is because one person travelled east and “didn’t self isolate properly upon their return.” That area is now under more restrictions - group sizes less than 10, restaurants limited to takeout and patio, bars and gyms closed. Last I heard, It’s affected a meat packing plant (previously unaffected in the spring), three personal care homes affected (we had none in the spring) and I heard today that part of the hospital is now affected. In fact, the mayor was on the news saying - “we got the gold star in the spring, and look at how quickly things changed...”

It is AMAZING how quickly this thing spreads. It is absolutely impossible to demonstrate that in the states - except by looking at the total number of infections - because there are so many infections, people have so many contacts, and there are limitations with testing and contact tracing - it’s impossible for contact tracing to ever be successful in this situation. 

I find it very hard to believe that there are no infections at Disney. Last I heard, they had their own testing site for staff and patrons. “Come to Disney world, enjoy the Magic Kingdom, and get a covid test on you way out the door... 😜

Attendance is down 80% from this time last year, people are masked, there are lines to socially distance people, nobody with an elevated temperature is allowed into any of the parks, and it's primarily outdoors. So I'm not sure how this either equates to "back to normal," or to proof that the virus isn't transmissible as the news is saying.

This is so contrary to Disney's normal that it's like a whole different park (set of parks).

[homecoming]

On 8/23/2020 at 4:03 PM, Eternal Sunshine said:

Wow. I live in Australia (VIC) and we now have 200 cases a day. We are not allowed to leave 5km radius of our home and can only leave house for an hour a day for exercise. There is also a curfew between 8pm and 5am. Absolutely everything is closed and our state is under "State of disaster". Just to put your 700 cases of day "being nothing" in prospective. 

I certainly wouldn't be OK with relaxing in your situation. I can't believe how lax US is and is just ignoring the body count.

Here in the UK we are having roughly 1,200 - 1,500 a day, and there are nowhere near the level of restrictions you talk about! People are not even wearing masks where they are meant to 😕

[QuietRiot]

22 hours ago, homecoming said:

Here in the UK we are having roughly 1,200 - 1,500 a day, and there are nowhere near the level of restrictions you talk about! People are not even wearing masks where they are meant to 😕

Apparently, there was a recent post about Gov. Desantis in a retiree's newspaper, 100+ comments popped up, most of which are retired aged people (usually this is the age group that support Trump and Desantis)..saying how he has done such a "great job" with the state of Florida and how he handled the virus.

Speaking of camps, I still have co-workers that admit, it's a virus that will come and go like any other virus. A few admitted they'll be damned if they'll take the vaccine, I said "You're funeral".

Edited September 1, 2020 by a LoveShack.org Moderator

[pepperbird2]

On 8/31/2020 at 8:34 PM, QuietRiot said:

Apparently, there was a recent post about Gov. Desantis in a retiree's newspaper, 100+ comments popped up, most of which are retired aged people (usually this is the age group that support Trump and Desantis)..saying how he has done such a "great job" with the state of Florida and how he handled the virus.

Speaking of camps, I still have co-workers that admit, it's a virus that will come and go like any other virus. A few admitted they'll be damned if they'll take the vaccine, I said "You're funeral".

I asked my rhumatologost today if I should get the vaccine if and when it becomes available. her answer (after a  chuckle) "no".
Until it gets much more rigorous testing, I will not get it, nor will my family. If it's rolled out using the time frame some want, there's no way that could happen.

[Spring1234]

On 9/2/2020 at 6:44 PM, pepperbird2 said:

I asked my rhumatologost today if I should get the vaccine if and when it becomes available. her answer (after a  chuckle) "no".
Until it gets much more rigorous testing, I will not get it, nor will my family. If it's rolled out using the time frame some want, there's no way that could happen.

Exactly, I would never get this vaccine because it's rushed. There is just not enough time to see the long term effects from it. Vaccines can do more harm than covid can. My family has high blood pressure, we'll wait to see how this vaccine is working on others. I hope it works, but I don't want to hear in 5 years on did you get that vaccine, well that's why you have a b or c, no thanks.

The people involved in these trials are out of their minds. I'll be sick from it and the government doesn't care. Pregnant women risking getting problems to their unborn baby, omg it's nuts. 

Vaccines need time to be developed it doesn't matter how much you want it. It's not something about money or politics, you can't rush science.

[QuietRiot]

14 hours ago, Spring1234 said:

Exactly, I would never get this vaccine because it's rushed. There is just not enough time to see the long term effects from it. Vaccines can do more harm than covid can. My family has high blood pressure, we'll wait to see how this vaccine is working on others. I hope it works, but I don't want to hear in 5 years on did you get that vaccine, well that's why you have a b or c, no thanks.

The people involved in these trials are out of their minds. I'll be sick from it and the government doesn't care. Pregnant women risking getting problems to their unborn baby, omg it's nuts. 

Vaccines need time to be developed it doesn't matter how much you want it. It's not something about money or politics, you can't rush science.

Yeah, I'm passing on the supposed pre-Election Day vaccine. The ones that are actually are promising are the three set to be ready early to mid-next year. I think it's Pfizer, the Oxford, and one other, have been pre-ordered and have shown a very effective antibody response with these trials. 

Unfortunately, I have some friends that are even refusing the vaccine no matter how effective it is for some unknown reason, for really, it's our only way out of this.

Edited September 5, 2020 by QuietRiot

[CaliforniaGirl]

6 hours ago, QuietRiot said:

Yeah, I'm passing on the supposed pre-Election Day vaccine. The ones that are actually are promising are the three set to be ready early to mid-next year. I think it's Pfizer, the Oxford, and one other, have been pre-ordered and have shown a very effective antibody response with these trials. 

Unfortunately, I have some friends that are even refusing the vaccine no matter how effective it is for some unknown reason, for really, it's our only way out of this.

A lot of people say they just won't get the vaccine, and others are a bit suspicious (to say the least) of one being available "before Election Day."

 With a fair degree of research I want to get one. But not nine months after research on it started. 

[Spring1234]

You would have to be insane to be in a vaccine trial and get the vaccine when it first comes out.

So as usual Labor day is here everyone is everywhere, things appear to be fine. Hospitals aren't overwhelmed, my hundreds of family and friends are having a great weekend. That 50 person family reunion had the best time and are all fine.

Shore towns are absolutely packed.

I'm glad the virus isn't as contagious as it was originally reported. I see why people and the news outlets have moved on. 

Even schools are remaining opened. My family and friends that I shamed for living their lives continuous call and text me to brag that I was wrong. They say I was fear mongering. I just say I thought it was more contagious initially. I didn't want to be the first out. 

 

Edited September 6, 2020 by Spring1234

[QuietRiot]

9 minutes ago, Spring1234 said:

You would have to be insane to be in a vaccine trial and get the vaccine when it first comes out.

So as usual Labor day is here everyone is everywhere, things appear to be fine. Hospitals aren't overwhelmed, my hundreds of family and friends are having a great weekend. That 50 person family reunion had the best time and are all fine.

Shore towns are absolutely packed.

I'm glad the virus isn't as contagious as it was originally reported. I see why people and the news outlets have moved on. 

Even schools are remaining opened. My family and friends that I shamed for living their lives continuous call and text me to brag that I was wrong. They say I was fear mongering. I just say I thought it was more contagious initially. I didn't want to be the first out. 

 

You keep just telling yourself that.."everything's going to be alright', when in fact, these are set-ups for Super Spreader events...case on point...I'll leave this here...

https://www.actionnewsjax.com/news/local/baker-county/covid-19-doctor-calls-baker-high-school-football-game-super-spreader/BS6CNXZZM5AIPDHAGAOD2ENZFE/

“This is a tremendously risky incident, and this is what is referred to as a super-spreader event,” said Goldhagen.

[elaine567]

9 minutes ago, Spring1234 said:

I'm glad the virus isn't as contagious as it was originally reported.

It's not? Tell that to the folks in Europe who are experiencing a second wave, mostly in younger people.
Are you sure you mean contagious?

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Contagious - spread from one person or organism to another, typically by direct contact.

 

[QuietRiot]

5 minutes ago, elaine567 said:

It's not? Tell that to the folks in Europe who are experiencing a second wave, mostly in younger people.
Are you sure you mean contagious?

 

Yeah, I think Spring is trying to talk himself into having a good time this Labor Day weekend.

[Spring1234]

I just think most people are fine, then the people that do get it are also fine. Just like most who drive cars are fine and even people who get into accidents are fine. There's risk in life.

I just get frustrated by my fears with this virus when most people are out living their lives saying what virus.

I went to this beautiful river and mall yesterday. I did go to the shore for 4 days, amazing time!

I was supposed to get together with family and friends this weekend however I haven't heard from them.

One may not want me over because I went to the shore. However we stay outside at their pool, stay away from each other. Their son works in a hospital and has also been down the shore and goes in their house. I know It's their son but it doesn't matter when it comes to the virus. 

The other family on the 4th of July wanted us to have a normal visit inside/outside communal bbq. I wanted to stay outside, however if I want social distancing and precautions then I can't come. I chose not to go the 4th and they didn't ask for Labor day. 

Another friend of mine got mad at me because she thinks I was being too worried and negative with this virus and stopped speaking to me. 

I'm just home now. Nowhere to really go, I don't want to do outdoor dining because the restaurants don't interest me and it's still hot here.

I will go into the city, play mini golf once the weather cools off. 

They've been saying for months oh wait a few weeks huge spikes and hospitalizations and it NEVER happens. It just makes you wonder if those people have the right idea. 

How can I know literally nobody who got this virus?? 

All these people are fine and they've been everywhere! It just doesnt make any sense.

[CaliforniaGirl]

Had to slip in that "it's not as contagious as people are saying it is" thing a 12th time, didn't you? 😂

Mmmm-hmmm. So go out with your hundreds of friends. Who is stopping you? Happy Memorial Day.

[CaliforniaGirl]

On 9/6/2020 at 1:17 PM, Spring1234 said:

I just think most people are fine, then the people that do get it are also fine. Just like most who drive cars are fine and even people who get into accidents are fine. There's risk in life.

I just get frustrated by my fears with this virus when most people are out living their lives saying what virus.

I went to this beautiful river and mall yesterday. I did go to the shore for 4 days, amazing time!

I was supposed to get together with family and friends this weekend however I haven't heard from them.

One may not want me over because I went to the shore. However we stay outside at their pool, stay away from each other. Their son works in a hospital and has also been down the shore and goes in their house. I know It's their son but it doesn't matter when it comes to the virus. 

The other family on the 4th of July wanted us to have a normal visit inside/outside communal bbq. I wanted to stay outside, however if I want social distancing and precautions then I can't come. I chose not to go the 4th and they didn't ask for Labor day. 

Another friend of mine got mad at me because she thinks I was being too worried and negative with this virus and stopped speaking to me. 

I'm just home now. Nowhere to really go, I don't want to do outdoor dining because the restaurants don't interest me and it's still hot here.

I will go into the city, play mini golf once the weather cools off. 

They've been saying for months oh wait a few weeks huge spikes and hospitalizations and it NEVER happens. It just makes you wonder if those people have the right idea. 

How can I know literally nobody who got this virus?? 

All these people are fine and they've been everywhere! It just doesnt make any sense.

So go out.

Go.

How many times do you need to hear this? Go out. Do what you want.

[Spring1234]

2 hours ago, CaliforniaGirl said:

Had to slip in that "it's not as contagious as people are saying it is" thing a 12th time, didn't you? 😂

Mmmm-hmmm. So go out with your hundreds of friends. Who is stopping you? Happy Memorial Day.

I just get frustrated because again if it was as contagious we would have like 100,000's new cases a day. Hospitals would be overwhelmed and we ultimately would need to shutdown again.

I just want to know why there aren't more cases and why hospitals are fine.

Like seriously did you watch the news this Labor day weekend? If you were home it's like you were the only one.

You barely would know there was a pandemic. NYC has less than 1% rate, how could that even be? Airport, train all open with people going in and out of the city from everywhere. It's not like NYC has shutout every other city.  Times square is busy again too.

It makes zero sense. 

[Spring1234]

2 hours ago, CaliforniaGirl said:

So go out.

Go.

How many times do you need to hear this? Go out. Do what you want.

I don't think it's safe to be in crowds, however doesn't it make you wonder at all how everyone can be everywhere? 

Aren't you surprised how fine people are who do go to crowded areas?

Like in the beginning you thought passing by someone or touching your cereal box could kill you. They scared the crap out of you. 

[CaliforniaGirl]

10 minutes ago, Spring1234 said:

I just get frustrated because again if it was as contagious we would have like 100,000's new cases a day. Hospitals would be overwhelmed and we ultimately would need to shutdown again.

I just want to know why there aren't more cases and why hospitals are fine.

Like seriously did you watch the news this Labor day weekend? If you were home it's like you were the only one.

You barely would know there was a pandemic. NYC has less than 1% rate, how could that even be? Airport, train all open with people going in and out of the city from everywhere. It's not like NYC has shutout every other city.  Times square is busy again too.

It makes zero sense. 

Okay. So you're frustrated. Everyone is right now. We all KNOW you think, or want to think, this isn't such a big deal. It's obvious you want to change our minds and have us believe the same thing (you're not particularly subtle) but it's not working so is that the real source of frustration?

One anonymous person on an internet forum is never going to be a more trusted source than actual, public sources so you're just going to stay frustrated. Not everyone believes rumors of memes so you may be working on the wrong set of people.

Go wander around NYC or Philly or AC. Nobody is going to stop you. Literally nobody. You have no reason to be frustrated as you are free as a bird. Stop trying to make people believe the words of one anonymous whomever on a forum over actual public sources and real experiences and these two things together should ease your frustration. 

Edited September 8, 2020 by CaliforniaGirl

[basil67]

9 minutes ago, Spring1234 said:

I just get frustrated because again if it was as contagious we would have like 100,000's new cases a day. Hospitals would be overwhelmed and we ultimately would need to shutdown again.

I just want to know why there aren't more cases and why hospitals are fine.

Like seriously did you watch the news this Labor day weekend? If you were home it's like you were the only one.

You barely would know there was a pandemic. NYC has less than 1% rate, how could that even be? Airport, train all open with people going in and out of the city from everywhere. It's not like NYC has shutout every other city.  Times square is busy again too.

It makes zero sense. 

So if you don't think it's very contagious, go out and have fun

[CaliforniaGirl]

12 minutes ago, Spring1234 said:

I don't think it's safe to be in crowds, however doesn't it make you wonder at all how everyone can be everywhere? 

Aren't you surprised how fine people are who do go to crowded areas?

Like in the beginning you thought passing by someone or touching your cereal box could kill you. They scared the crap out of you. 

No. It doesn't make me wonder. There are A-holes everywhere. People strapped up with guns to demand haircuts and I'm supposed to be surprised how many people refuse to be safe? What on earth surprises anybody anymore?

The numbers alone of the sick show how many people act like toddlers and refuse to follow safety precautions. Do YOU wonder? Surely you don't.

Give it up.

Edited September 8, 2020 by CaliforniaGirl

[CautiouslyOptimistic]

Are we even actually IN a pandemic anymore?  I don''t think we are. Why are we still obeying all orders like we are?