Citing age as a reason for settling 'I'm not getting any younger!

[Azincourt]

5 minutes ago, Woggle said:

Obama married an intellectual and he has one of the few political marriages that I think is a good model.

Bill Gates married an intellectual and they seem to actually have a good marriage.

Bill Gates is a nerd. I bet the guy has the sex drive of my 90 year old grandfather.  Yeah, yeah, he's one of the richest men in the world, and at one point for the longest time the richest man, but I don't really worship the dollar.  

About Obama, I dunno. Looks can be deceiving. I've met many a man who looked like he had a good marriage and the guy was sleeping with women - escorts -behind his wife's back. Growing up, listening to my grandfather's friends, the pillars of the community, one would think they were Saints, but they would take trips to foreign nations to sleep with prostitutes. It was bloody hilarious.

Edited September 6, 2020 by Azincourt

[Woggle]

I would not have married her if looks was her only quality. I could have married a woman who had model level looks but her personality was just a turn off.

[Azincourt]

16 minutes ago, basil67 said:

Would you have married her if she was dumb as a box of hammers?  If her only attribute was beauty?   I doubt it.

You've clearly never met rich men.

Check out the women married to the German's national team(soccer), or the women married to the Brazilian soccer team. These women aren't quite spending their days in a lab coming up with a way to fix cancer.

There are men who will marry a woman for her smarts, but these are either men with a low sex drive and what they're looking for is a partnership, someone to make a couple of kids with and then live like a celestine monk,  or they are men who don't have much to them when it comes to looks, and they're afraid they're going to be cheated on because she lacks physical attraction for him, or he's insecure about his looks being married to someone more attractive, so they settle for a woman with a brain but no polish to her.

There are also men who'd love a ''vapid hollywood type,'' most men who still have a tatch of hair on their scalp,  but they can't even afford her shoes.

A man marrying a woman who is beautiful but isn't college-educated isn't automatically shallow, narcissistic and arrogant. He's a man who has figured out that beauty has immense value in itself, as possessing beauty can help you in your quest to have a great life, and the chances of having a son who will be as beautiful as Brad Pitt increase greatly if the woman you reproduce with is a hottie, and even if he doesn't turn out as good-looking  as Louis de Pointe du Lac, he'll still be decent-looking enough to enjoy his life growing up.

Obviously the ideal wife would be beautiful and have Stephen Hawkings smarts, and she'd be forever 18 years old, and she'd never get sick, but men who aren't Saudi Arabian Princes can't be nearly that picky.

Edited September 6, 2020 by Azincourt

[basil67]

@Azincourt this thread is about what women want.   Not sure why you've made it about what men allegedly want.

Edited September 6, 2020 by basil67

[Azincourt]

7 minutes ago, basil67 said:

@Azincourt this thread is about what women want.   Try and stay on topic.

I am staying on top, bro.

What women want depends on her age.

Baby-boomers and middle-aged women mostly want a man with little to no sex drive, but a fairly good job, with life-savings to come along with, and a desire to engage with their partner verbally instead of physically.

Young women, healthy women, want a man with a job, a guy they can see themselves wanting to come home to, and someone they want to spend time with inside the bedroom. 

Now I'm going to ask Trump about the many intellectual conversations he has with his wife. While I'm at it, I might question Boris Johnson about what his 21 years old domestic partner feels about the life-altering decisions he undertook over Brexit, I'm sure they spend their days talking away the most pressing political matters!

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Symonds reportedly began an affair with British politician Boris Johnson, then the Foreign Secretary, in 2018.[6] As of May 2020, he is in the process of divorcing his second wife, Marina Wheeler.[25] On 29 February 2020, Symonds and Johnson announced that they became engaged in late 2019 and were expecting a baby in mid-2020.[26] Their son, Wilfred Lawrie Nicholas Johnson, was born on 29 April 2020 at University College Hospital in London.[27]

The wife he had when he met this bright young lady wasn't intellectual enough for him, I'm guessing. She should have worked on her Goethe more often.

Edited September 7, 2020 by Azincourt

[basil67]

2 minutes ago, Azincourt said:

Ioung women, healthy women, want a man with a job, a guy they can see themselves wanting to come home to, and someone they want to spend time with inside the bedroom. 

 

Yes, they want this.  And if they are intelligent, they will want a man who is their intellectual equal.   Girls may play with a pretty boy toy for fun, but they will quickly tire of him if he can't think.   

Of course a non-academic young woman will be fine with a guy who's not academic.

Edited September 7, 2020 by basil67

[Azincourt]

14 minutes ago, basil67 said:

Yes, they want this.  And if they are intelligent, they will want a man who is their intellectual equal.   Girls may play with a pretty boy toy for fun, but they will quickly tire of him if he can't think.   

Of course a non-academic young woman will be fine with a guy who's not academic.

That's funny, because the men I know who complain about their girlfriends or wives tend to be the ones who married a college educated woman. Something about, ''I feel like I married a man, always trying to debate me, always trying to show herself to be smart like she has something to prove, and she doesn't even want to bother with any domestic chores, she says it's beneath her,'' dunno what that is all about.

Most colleges are attended by a female majority. There's far more women going to college around the world than there are men, and many more men drop out of college than women do. College-educated women are going to have a hard time finding a college-educated man who is interested in becoming a husband and a father, so marry  a construction worker who cares, if he can make her sing in the bedroom well enough she won't care about the lack of interest he has in ancient hebrew.

Wondering why  the women I met back in college never talked about anything college-related if intellectual women cared all that much about a man's brains. I must have met the wrong ones. Should have gone for those women with glasses! 

Edited September 7, 2020 by Azincourt

[basil67]

This thread isn't about men, so I'm staying on topic and ignoring your segues about what men want.

I don't know why you'd think that college educated people would talk about college related things.  What's wrong with intelligent discussion of topical issues?

 

[Weezy1973]

2 hours ago, basil67 said:

The latter is what I am referring to when I say "picky'.

And what about someone that is somewhere in between those extremes? Pickiness is relative. At one end, someone who has no preferences whatsoever and at the other, a checklist a mile long. And many spots in between. For me instead of saying the cutoff point is a certain amount of items on the list, I just accept it’s relative. Some people are pickier than others. Of course, classifying in this manner is actually accurate, rather than using the arbitrary Basil67 method of classification

 

2 hours ago, basil67 said:

This is why I don't compare women from different eras on their choices today..

Is a 25 year old from a different era than a 40 year old? The evidence from that study shows that women adjust their preference for education down once they’re last fertile years. Also, women lose options as they pass their fertile years as well, as any man interested in having kids would no longer consider them an option. Generally the age considered “old” to be having kids is 35.

Edited September 7, 2020 by Weezy1973

[basil67]

17 minutes ago, Weezy1973 said:

And what about someone that is somewhere in between those extremes? Pickiness is relative. At one end, someone who has no preferences whatsoever and at the other, a checklist a mile long. And many spots in between. For me instead of saying the cutoff point is a certain amount of items on the list, I just accept it’s relative. Some people are pickier than others. Of course, classifying in this manner is actually accurate, rather than using the arbitrary Basil67 method of classification

Putting it this way, I agree with you.   The more things you want from a partner, the more picky you are.    

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Is a 25 year old from a different era than a 40 year old? The evidence from that study shows that women adjust their preference for education down once they’re last fertile years. Also, women lose options as they pass their fertile years as well, as any man interested in having kids would no longer consider them an option. Generally the age considered “old” to be having kids is 35.

To demonstrate that women adjust their preferences down, one would need to follow a group of women from the time they are about 18 and track their individual preferences throughout the years.    The older women they looked at in data may not have wanted the same thing when they were young as a young women wants today.

Giving my daughter and I as a minute example.  I'm 53 and would not need college education in a man.   I've never  needed a college education in a man.  My husband doesn't have a college education.   However, he's smart and is of the generation where one could climb the ladder using a good work ethic and solid results.   My 21 yo daughter wants a man who has or is pursing a degree.    The way I understand the results you're talking about,  they would look at my gen X self not asking for a college education and my gen Z daughter who is asking for education and would come to the conclusion that I have adjusted my standards down.  This would be a false conclusion

Regarding a 25yo being a different era to a 40yo.   To be more accurate, I'd say a different generation rather than era.

Edited September 7, 2020 by basil67

[5x5]

2 hours ago, Woggle said:

Women might earn their own money and do very well these days but many still want a man that earns more than them. 

Some do and some don't. When my wife (now 50) and I (now 49) first started dating, she was on a higher income than I.

Now over 24 years later since our first date (when she asked me out), she still earns more than me. With her being amongst the top 3.8% (according to 2019 data) of all income earners in Australia.

One thing for sure I'm certainly not the only guy out there, with a university educated higher earning wife. Of which we still spend lots of time together, still enjoy each others company and still share a tremendous amount of frequent sex together.

 

[chillii]

Why do people always wanna tell the world about their damn sex life, who givesa shyt , never get that.  Anyway , thinking about this thread last night and l still think the title and concept is blown way out of context. My bro's the perfect example we were talking last night and he said the exact line , l;m not getting any younger l wanna do something about this. He wasn't talking about dropping anything what he was saying and said it all later was that he's 50s and he wants to get off his arse and asap and try to find the right woman. Said he's gonna hit it with everything from now on bc he'd really like to get remarried.

And that was it, he doesn't mean he's gonna change what he goes for or lower he's so called ideals and standards , not that some don't mean that l do think some shoot way above their mark until they turn around yrs later still single and wake up basically . But at anyrate all he means for instance in his case is that he's wasted a lot of yrs screwing round and passed up some great ladies well , he's sick of it now he wants to stop bs'g around , meet a good woman and settle down finally.

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[Azincourt]

8 hours ago, basil67 said:

This thread isn't about men, so I'm staying on topic and ignoring your segues about what men want.

I don't know why you'd think that college educated people would talk about college related things.  What's wrong with intelligent discussion of topical issues?

 

Considering women want to date men, I'd say that this topic is about men. Or women seek to please women in order to find a good romantic relationship with men?

If you don't have a decent argument against what I said in any of my previous posts,, that's fine lol no need to change the subject, bro. Just say, we're from two different generations with a huge age difference between each other,  considering you're old enough to be my grandmother had you been a young mother,  and that what women your age and older are looking for is quite a fair share different from what women my own age and younger are seeking for in a man, which makes it impossible for us to see eye to eye because we're literally from two different societies that happen to be from the same nation.

Because people don't want to talk about boring stuff?

college parties? 

No one talked about they were studying.

classroom-dinners?No one gave it a thought to worry about the upcoming exams.Women and men( I am bisexual) I came across in the 4 years I spent for my first degree?

We talked about sports, the beach, the weather, clothes, beauty products(had a few women ask me for my skin routine) and it's not because they had no romantic interest in me, but because they didn't want to bore me and scare me away because they sounded like a teacher instead of a 19 year old who was finally away from her parents for the first time in her life and free to do whatever she wanted to do.

Even the nerdy women rarely if ever talked about anything college-related. 

What's wrong with ''intelligent'' discussion of state-affecting issues?

It's boring. It's annoying. It's childish. I turn on the television, it's COVID-19 EVERYWHERE all the time, 24/7, and when it's not a world-pandemic it's journalists discussing the state of the economy, and if it's not that, it's middle-aged people talking about the lack of job opportunities for young college-graduates in a post-2008 economical meltdown, and if it's not that they're talking about,  it's international corruption being widespread amongst some of the most important banks around the world.

When I talk to a woman what I want to hear from her is her sweet ,soft, young voice talking about subject matters that revolve around music(no, not Beethoven) and about forests and the beach and cute little corgie puppies, and gorgeous paintings, and beautiful books like the Picture of Dorian Gray or The Great Gatsby. I want to see what she looks like in her bikini suit. I want to see her have an interest in ME, what I am, as a person, not in the fact that I went to college and graduated from college because it was the only way I got to convince my parents to sustain my lifestyle,  not very unlike how many young men do go to college for their own superficial reasons(supporting a family/wife).

I want a woman to talk to me about soccer and about all of my favorite players, not because I'm superficial and shallow like many people like to think me to be to feel good about themselves, but because I'm sick and tired of worrying about the world and the state of Mankind. I'm in my 30s. I am not responsible for the collapse of the economy. I am not responsible for the fact that it takes a kidney to get the downpayment for a soddy little house in the middle of nowhere for many, many people.

I am not responsible for the highway robbery colleges in the States practice to steal the money of the middle-class, which is endlessly shrinking and a couple of steps away from becoming the homeless class.

baby-boomers did all of that.  baby-boomers ruined the world and they ruined the future of my generation. 

I don't want to talk about any of that with a woman I want to date. I don't want the wrinkles and hair loss that comes with worrying about a society that I don't own, but only rent, because those who came  before me own everything and don't want to pass it on to my generation.

I just wanna chill, bro, and I was lucky enough to have met many college women who feel the same way about it all. We don't want to discuss the intricacies of the class system to be found in an ant colony.

We want to talk about good movies and about the trips we took around Europe(and the States) after we graduated and got to enjoy your gap year, although my gap year has been lasting for over 10 years lmaooo in the sense that I haven't started my ''real career'' so far and I ain't seeing it happen.

This is what I mean when I say women don't want an intellectual equal.

I've even met beautiful college women 20 years older than me who got married to dudes without a high school diploma, and no I'm not talking about my favorite soccer players. 

Get yourself an attractive woman who lusts for you as much as you do for her, and all of this chit-chat about women wanting a guy who is like this and like that, an equal in that or this won't matter, because she will be too busy spending a thousand years worth of desire with you, in your marital bed.

PS: My mother isn't college-educated, my father is, and after 11 daughters + 1 son + mom still looking pretty hot(according to dad and every man who crosses her path)  I'm confident that college education ain't that important in a partner.

 

[elaine567]

1 hour ago, enigma32 said:

Most men aren't looking to have deep, intellectual conversations with our women, we just aren't.

And that is I guess why the divorce rate is so high.
Your nice sweet Filipino bride, once the high of getting to the US is over, will want a man who is able to talk to her on deeper levels.
Once she gets bored intellectually, she will start to look elsewhere.

Edited September 7, 2020 by elaine567

[Woggle]

I don't fully agree with him. Most men want to have intelligent conversations with women but some people in general think they are smarter than they actually are and some women though not most get upset if they have a conversation and the man doesn't just blindly agree or she starts accusing him of mansplaining. All these things are great but if a woman has a terrible personality it is all null and void to me. Some men only care about looks and will marry a horrible person as long as she is hot but they are fools.

[basil67]

30 minutes ago, Azincourt said:

I don't want to talk about any of that with a woman I want to date. 

According to what you've written here, you don't even want to date.  You openly confess to lying to young women about wanting a relationship just so that you get casual sex.   And you don't have to talk about anything deep with women because you're the Instagrammable fling they have while they are on holidays.   They know that you can't discuss anything deeper than Lifestyles of the Rich and Famous and they don't expect you to.   And this is fine with you because you're the pretty, bi-sexual bartender who's apparently got no topics he can discuss other than masturbating to his own beautiful self or his man on man idolisation of beautiful boy movie stars.    So she has have a fluffy fling with you where she doesn't need to talk.   Then she goes home to real life and chooses a mate who can stimulate her both physically and mentally long term.   She gets a smart partner who's got a range of tops he can discuss and you continue lying to get laid with young girls.   And everyone is happy

[Azincourt]

1 hour ago, elaine567 said:

And that is I guess why the divorce rate is so high.
Your nice sweet Filipino bride, once the high of getting to the US is over, will want a man who is able to talk to her on deeper levels.
Once she gets bored intellectually, she will start to look elsewhere.

No, that's not because of it.

It's because monogamy, or at least lifelong monogamy isn't natural to the human species.

We aren't penguins, dude. There are some marriages that will last for the duration of the natural lifespan those people have left post-wedding ceremony,  successful marriages.  They respect each other, they take care of each other, they are patient with each other, they help each other out, and they have a happy sex life.

There are marriages like that. But there's very few, and just because you and I know a happy few marriages going on, what does that mean anyway?

Is the Universe seeded with planets that can host complex life? 

Planet Earth is a garden of Eden. How many planets have we found like that?

The divorce rate was so low for thousands of years in the western nations because women weren't allowed to get a divorce. Women weren't allowed to own property, to vote, to have children out of wedlock, to have sex with a man who wasn't her husband. It's still like that in most of the world, actually, but talking about how great a marriage can be because x knows y couple that have been together for 70 years, yeah, but they were born in 1940, things are a bit different  these days, innit?

It's nearly impossible for a marriage to work these days because human beings aren't really meant to stay with just one person for an entire life, because people have different sex drives within a relationship, because people get tired and bored of talking and seeing and having to share living spaces with the same person EVERY DAY for the next 40 years until a heart attack takes them out of this earth.

My nice Filipino bride?

You okay, there , bro? You're kinda confusing me for another guy? 

I'm an American man in my 30s, so I'm what, 40 years younger than you,  which would make the way we see the dating world and women and men to be a fair share differently, don't you think,  living in Europe dating Italian and German women and women from other developed Euro states. Never really got with a  Brit, can you point me in the direction to where the fit birds are at?

. I don't date women who make less than I do, usually they happen to make more than I do.  You probably wanted to quote some of the middle-aged/baby-boomer, eh?

Gotta thank you for the chuckle tho.

You know, something that has always rubbbed me the wrong way about marriage - talking to older men - is how most married women don't take kindly to their husbands sleeping with other women, when their sex life dwindles down, usually to zero, because of health-related issues due to menopause, or other health concerns that arise due to life itself.  Is a man supposed to become a Jesuit priest because his wife is more interested in 5 o'clock tea and biscuits than she is in having sex with him?

 

 

Edited September 7, 2020 by Azincourt

[elaine567]

1 minute ago, Azincourt said:

My nice Filipino bride?

I  wasn't addressing you...
 

[Azincourt]

7 minutes ago, elaine567 said:

I  wasn't addressing you...
 

Ah, cool,  been having internet problems and sometimes loveshack loads slowly and it messes up the messages. My bad.

As for the rest, yeah, I agree with you.

These men who go to Ukraine or Russia or Brazil, China, Thailand, and so forth, are usually middle-aged/elderly men who want a young, pysically attractive woman,  and  because they can't get one back home in the states, either because they're obviously much older and much less attractive than the women they want, they go to Asia and other underdeveloped nations for a 100 dollars there is worth a year's food supply to some family in the middle of nowhere in the Phillipines.

It's quite sad, and it makes me feeel terrible for these young women stuck with dudes who are older than their own fathers.

Then they come up with these hilarious excuses to justify why they moved half-way across the world to live in a Country where running water is considered to be a miraculous creation.

''oh, American/western/Ango-Saxon women are terrible, they have nasty personalities, they don't have anything in common with me, and women in Los Angeles only want to marry a man to get to his money and his house, whereas a 19 year Filipino woman raised in a tinny village of 20 people without a man her own age in sight is traditional, well-educated, and is marriage oriented.''

Christ, and I'm the one who is a jerk for telling a woman beforehand that I'm only interested in sex.

Edited September 7, 2020 by Azincourt

[Weezy1973]

15 hours ago, basil67 said: 

To demonstrate that women adjust their preferences down, one would need to follow a group of women from the time they are about 18 and track their individual preferences throughout the years. 

This wouldn’t actually work well due to cognitive biases. But what could work is surveying single women over 35 to see if their priorities when choosing a mate are the same as they were when they were in their 20s. I think just comparing data from women in their 20s to women between say 35 and 50 is pretty good. 

 

15 hours ago, basil67 said:

Giving my daughter and I as a minute example.  I'm 53 and would not need college education in a man.   I've never  needed a college education in a man.  My husband doesn't have a college education.   However, he's smart and is of the generation where one could climb the ladder using a good work ethic and solid results.   My 21 yo daughter wants a man who has or is pursing a degree.    The way I understand the results you're talking about,  they would look at my gen X self not asking for a college education and my gen Z daughter who is asking for education and would come to the conclusion that I have adjusted my standards down. 

Obviously anecdotal evidence, and you’re not so single so subject to cognitive bias. And the preference was “equal or greater education than themselves”.  So your daughter wanting equal or greater education than herself in her prime fertile years makes a lot of sense. If she’s still single at 35, or say divorced and single, would she still insist on someone with an equal or greater education? The data suggest that she might not. Everybody is different of course, but on average it seems like priorities shift for women seeking a partner that are in their prime fertility window vs. past that window. 

 

15 hours ago, basil67 said:

Regarding a 25yo being a different era to a 40yo.   To be more accurate, I'd say a different generation rather than era.

Again you just seem to like making up your own definitions to try to appease your cognitive biases instead of just acknowledging that it is likely that people’s priorities shift as they get older. 

[Weezy1973]

8 hours ago, enigma32 said:

I would take a sweet, pretty girl that hasn't banged 100 dudes over a brilliant woman with a great job any day of the week. 

Surely you don’t think these are mutually exclusive? 

 

8 hours ago, enigma32 said:

The problem that some ladies have is that they think they're men. They think that if they spend their entire youth focusing on their careers, their social life, and their hobbies, by the time they are 35, some great dude is gonna want to be with them.

No, women thinking they’re men is not even a close depiction. Women want rewarding careers though. Which seems pretty understandable. 
 

That being said, there is a substantial body of evidence to suggest that indeed as women approach 35 their options drop significantly. 

[Azincourt]

31 minutes ago, Weezy1973 said:

This wouldn’t actually work well due to cognitive biases. But what could work is surveying single women over 35 to see if their priorities when choosing a mate are the same as they were when they were in their 20s. I think just comparing data from women in their 20s to women between say 35 and 50 is pretty good. 

What cognitive biases would that be? 

You're saying that women select the men they marry based on what they can get instead of marrying the men they actually want? 

Most men are broke, and can't buy a house in a single lump payment like a 18 year old Manchester United player can drop a couple of millions on a mansion and consider that to be pocket change. Child-support? Why would a woman get pregnant on purpose by a guy she is not attracted to, if the only guy she's getting is someone who can barely keep a job?

Or are all men dentists, doctors, engineers, and coaches?

It would make  no sense for a woman to be a gold-digger for the average man.

I dunno about the women around you, but women who can pull the attractive young men you're talking about don't lose their looks as they enter their 30s, and there's really no actual reality of men in their 30s not wanting to get married to women their own age because they can't leave a coffee shop without getting 21 year old hotties by the hundreds hitting on them.

Women - attractive women since I've never heard or seen men complain about average women - marry for the most part and hook-up, yes, men who are a match in terms of physical looks. 

 

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Obviously anecdotal evidence, and you’re not so single so subject to cognitive bias. And the preference was “equal or greater education than themselves”.  So your daughter wanting equal or greater education than herself in her prime fertile years makes a lot of sense. If she’s still single at 35, or say divorced and single, would she still insist on someone with an equal or greater education? The data suggest that she might not. Everybody is different of course, but on average it seems like priorities shift for women seeking a partner that are in their prime fertility window vs. past that window. 

 

Again you just seem to like making up your own definitions to try to appease your cognitive biases instead of just acknowledging that it is likely that people’s priorities shift as they get older. 

Prime fertile years?

You sure you ain't in the wrong continent/religion? When I was living in Saudi Arabia I would often hear random men talk about their sisters and daughters like that, making a trade at the local marketplace between their daughters and lands, or money, or whatever else the guy who was looking to sell off his daughter was looking for.

Maybe guys who have a hard time with women should convert to Islam, save up money, and buy a wife in Iran or something?

Just remember, the hotter they are, the more expensive they're going to be. And don't forget about the groom to be has to own a house before he can even consider approaching the woman's father to initiate the marriage contract arrangements.

It makes sense for a college-educated woman to want a college-educated man. Think about it. These women are looking to have children, aren't they? Life is expensive and they don't know if they'll live to be a 100 or they might develop cancer and die. They need to be assured the man they're having their child with, the child's father, can support himself and can support their child comfortably and without needing outside help.

I'm in my 30s and a bartender.The women who wanted to have a child with me, or wanted to marry me, or wanted to live with me - they all wanted me to put my higher education to use.  I could work for my dad, make good money, but then I'd be inside a cubicule all day and all of my gym gains would evaporate, and I would just end up like all of these unattractive men who are bitter about being  rejected by attractive young women back when they were young, and now that they're middle-aged, they're afraid any woman who doesn't look like the Monster of Lock Ness is only interested in marrying them because the guy has a job and a house(until the price tag on the house is entirely paid off it's the bank's house tho).

In my 30s,  I've had women in their early 20s wanting to marry me, and women in their early 30s aswell. Back when I was young, there were also women who wanted me to get a job that would eventually pan out into something capable of being able to afford a house and a wife and a family, but you know,  I rather enjoy being a bachelor.

Never figured out why there are so many men complaining about single.

Take into account that those women were for the most part college-educated. As this is a college town where I'm living in, and most of the women I get to meet are either foreign college students who come here to party, or local college women who eventually graduate and want to settle down, so it does make sense that these women, because they're seeking marriage, would want me to get a job that brings in more money than bartendering does.  

My advice to every early 20s man who doesn't want to reach his 30s and have more bitterness in him than a bottle of vinegar is: stop looking at what other men get from the women you want to sleep with.

Hit the GYM HARD. 

Grow big and cut and lean and swole and jacked, and gorgeous. Then  have fun, bro.

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[Azincourt]

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Giving my daughter and I as a minute example.  I'm 53 and would not need college education in a man.   I've never  needed a college education in a man.  My husband doesn't have a college education.   However, he's smart and is of the generation where one could climb the ladder using a good work ethic and solid results.   My 21 yo daughter wants a man who has or is pursing a degree.    The way I understand the results you're talking about,  they would look at my gen X self not asking for a college education and my gen Z daughter who is asking for education and would come to the conclusion that I have adjusted my standards down. 

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People can still climb the ladder using a good work ethic and solid results.

Cristiano Ronaldo didn't graduate from high school if I'm not mistaken, and he's the world's first billionaire soccer player. At the age of 35! 

And if he wasn't the godlike player that he is, the world's best actually, he would've still been able to make obscene amounts of money as a fashion model.  College education these days don't mean much. I only got my college degrees because where I went to attend college - Europe - they throw college degrees at people like the world's ending tomorrw. Sweden and Germany has free college for every German-born citizen, and it will probably one day encompass all of the UE citizens, and the college  I went to,  1 year of tuition would be about 800 dollars, without a need to buy expensive textbooks, all together my bachelor degree was 3 200 dollars. From an accredited top 15 worlwide University.

Since I was there and it was the price of a bag of peanuts, I went ahead and got another degree and a masters.

But back home in the States? LMAOO I would need to sell a kidney just to be able to attend my first year at UCLA  film school + exorbitant rent prices even when shared with roomates + food + going to the movies etc.

Young men should head out to Europe to get an education. Stick around, you might even like it and how chill life is over here.

Your daughter is 21 years old.  Is she looking to get married so soon? What's the rush in having a kid? 

She can give birth until she's like in her mid 40s. 

One of  my aunts gave birth for the last time at the age of 50 and the kid's perfectly healthy. 

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I would take a sweet, pretty girl that hasn't banged 100 dudes over a brilliant woman with a great job any day of the week. 

Yeah,  you and every man under the sun, especially those who can't deal with their girlriends having gone to bed with many men, because they are sexually insecure and  have low self-esteem :but would she take you?

A sweet, young, pretty girl has tons of options. What do you have to offer? We already know you feel that a woman's worth is based on how many sexual partners she's had until the moment she met you, but what do you bring to the table? I got friends who make 5 million euros a year after taxes, and they're 19-21, decent looking fellas,  which would put them in the same age range of those young women you're salivating for.

What can you offer?

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That being said, there is a substantial body of evidence to suggest that indeed as women approach 35 their options drop significantly. 

The average guy can barely get a woman to give him a like on tinder, according to how much these guys keep on complaining about,   so why are you guys judging a woman's age and her dating options when Pope Francis has had more girlfriends than most of these guys who complain about women?

 

Edited September 7, 2020 by Azincourt

[Weezy1973]

29 minutes ago, Azincourt said:

You're saying that women select the men they marry based on what they can get instead of marrying the men they actually want? 

No, I’m saying what women want changes over time. They still marry who they want.

[Azincourt]

7 minutes ago, Weezy1973 said:

No, I’m saying what women want changes over time. They still marry who they want.

Men and women change over time. What someone wants at 25 is more often than not completely different from what they want at 45, that's why I reckon people shouldn't be getting married. Marriage, the institution of marriage is a tool that our ancestors came up with to make sure everyone reproduced so our ''tribe'' didn't vanish from thin air, but these days there are literally billions of people walking around, and women and men can support themselves, and children are overated, expensive, and annoying.

Lifelong monogamy. Expecting my partner to be the only person to fully and completely satisfiy my emotional needs, my desires, my wants in life. She's just a woman, not wonder-woman.  But people get  keep on getting married, and the divorce rate in every Country in the world where women are allowed to get a divorce keep exploding with each year, each decade, each generation of men and women.

Most people don't have hereditary royal titles to pass on to the next generation. Most don't have a house paid for to pass on to their 18 year old son. They don't have hundreds of thousands of dollars in the bank. They don't have stock options .They don't own land.  They can't give to their kids what rich men can give to their sons and daughters.

If I was a woman I would never consider marrying a man who wants to have children because his desire to have a child shows how selfish he is, to want to bring a child into a world that is owned and ruled over by a handful of men and women, and the middle-class keeps on shrinking, and everything keeps on getting more and more expensive.

Having a baby? Perfectly natural, those biological urges, man.

Married middle-aged men heading out to the brothels in Spain, Germany etc to have sex?

Completely wrong and immoral.  Even when it's dully noted how their wives don't want to have sex with them and haven't done it in years, decades.

Human beings are complicated. That's why I love dogs. I walk him, I pet him, I love him, I give him food and treats and I take care of his health and I have a 100% loyal and devoted best friend for nearly 20 years.

And if a man wants to have a kid that badly, I dunno,  he can just donate his genetic material to clinics that specialize in  getting women pregnant, that way he gets to spread his genes, with several women, and he won't have to pay a dime over it, nor will he have to deal with all the dramas and problems that comes with raising a kid.

Not to mention that, if disaster occurs and his kid is born defective in any way, he's not going to be forced to spend the rest of his natural life working his legs off to provide for a kid that will never have a normal life, and will not reproduce, literally ending the father's bloodline, while wasting fortunes.

Edited September 7, 2020 by Azincourt