30's women, how many are flat out turned off with hair thinning at the back, and how many are fine with it?

[Azincourt]

27 minutes ago, elaine567 said:

In Jeremy Meek's case it is not really about hair though, it is about those eyes and  that face.
Most men when they lose their hair start looking like a Dad/Grand Dad.
We are programmed to see guys losing their hair as old, just like grey hair, you may have a youthful face and body, but if your hair is grey you 're suddenly put in the "old" bracket.

Yeah, that's the problem, that's why I say that a man isn't overrreacting when he becomes death-worried about losing his hair. Because most men who lose their hair, the men who have bad spots, the men whose hairlines are receding, the men whose hair is so thin you can see their skull from far away: those men are going to be perceived by women to be old.

Remember Bruce Willis in the show Moonlighting when he still had hair?

He was considered a sex symbol by a great many number of attractive young women, but as he began to lose his hair, he lost his Sex symbol status and transitioned to action movies with the Die Hard Franchise and became an action movie star. How many women his own age when he lost his hair thought of him as hot, let alone women who were in their 30s?

Now take a look at Brandon Lee in the movie The Crow and look at how lush and full and thick his hair was, and how hot and beautiful he was , and tell me. Would he still be that attractive if he was to lose his hair? Would've landed the acting role to portray a tragic Romeo-fgure?

Nope.

Good hair, a full head of hair is essential to a man's good looks.

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But I can understand your insecurity, if you are and older man trying to date the young and beautiful. Insecurity is much less attractive than a thinning spot at the back of your head. 

Exactly. I have no idea why men are so keen on dating women who are much younger than them, when there's plenty of hot women their own age. There are women who work at the local supermarket who are in their 40s, and 50s, and 60s, and I'd love to sleep with them despite being much younger than the women who are in their 50s and in their 60s.

Why this fixation with a woman's youth?  Is OP interested in getting married? in having children? Then why didn't he get married when he was 20-30 years old and women his own age wanted him?

 

Edited September 24, 2020 by Azincourt

[stillafool]

I married my first husband when I was 26 and he was 29.  He was going bald at 29 and was very self conscious about it.  It didn't bother me one bit.  He had a gorgeous face and a hot body which at that age was all I cared about.  Plus he was successful in his career.  I think both men and women are attracted to a full head of thick hair.  I've heard men say women who have thin, stringy hair or lack of are not that attractive.  

Edited September 24, 2020 by stillafool

[Ruby Slippers]

A man wearing a hat indoors is so offputting. Men with manners don't wear hats indoors. I met a guy for a first date and he was wearing a hat. To my dismay, he left it on when we went into the restaurant. I was embarrassed and felt compelled to leave. It reflects poorly on me to be inside a restaurant with a man who's so insecure about his hair that he lets that override basic manners and leaves his hat on indoors. He could tell I was bothered, so I was honest about what was bugging me and he took off the hat. 1,000 times better, regardless of the hair. 

[Ruby Slippers]

6 hours ago, Trail Blazer said:

However, it is true that for most of the women who are not size queens, they still prefer a guy to have at least an average or slightly above average sized package.  

There's very, very few women who prefer below average size.  And, unfortunately for men, 50 percent are below average in that department.

And most men prefer B and larger breasts, not so stoked about little As. But it doesn't do a woman any good to worry about it. Ideally she'll accept it and focus on men who like or don't mind small breasts. 

[stillafool]

23 minutes ago, Ruby Slippers said:

And most men prefer B and larger breasts, not so stoked about little As. But it doesn't do a woman any good to worry about it. Ideally she'll accept it and focus on men who like or don't mind small breasts. 

Or, get a boob job.

[mark clemson]

3 hours ago, Azincourt said:

It's a male fantasy, you know, that women are attracted to Conan The Barbarian and to the Terminator and to The Rock

Actually my wife is quite attracted to The Rock. However, it's worth noting she is in her late 40's, like me. She is attracted to some younger stars and some older stars as well.

MHO many women are attracted to the overall package. Being a "big guy" can be part of that package for some women, even if you're not a celeb. Of course, many women are attracted to K-Pop stars too, so clearly not all.  As CO stated 4 pages ago, all women are different.

MHO thinning hair will not matter much IF it is outweighed by other factors, some of which may be fairly subtle.

Edited September 24, 2020 by mark clemson

[Allupinnit]

When I was 29 I thought 41 was old AF and if he had a bald patch I'd assume he just looked his age - 41.  

But if you're already having young women end up in bed with you after one date it doesn't sound like it matters at all if you are going bald or not.

[Azincourt]

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Actually my wife is quite attracted to The Rock. However, it's worth noting she is in her late 40's, like me. She is attracted to some younger stars and some older stars as well.

Yes,  undoubtly there are many women who are attracted to The Rock, but the younger the woman is, the more she is into pretty boys with slim bodies than she is to muscle-bound 6'8'' men. The Backstreet Boys, Westlife, NSYNC, One Direction,  Shawn Mendes, Justin Bieber, Bryan Adams etc, all of these men back when they were young could have their pick from women who were 18-30, and not just because they were famous and rich, but because young women really like that effeminate, lanky, male beauty, as Leonardo Dicaprio who was never a strongly built man went on to become a worldwide superstar playing a romantic role.

I have met a lot of women in their early 20s who are crazy about Korean popstars and actors. These guys aren't exactly the Hollywood idea of a masculine, beautiful man, with their narrow shoulders, slim bodies and faces that are so feminine they could easily pass for women if they wanted to.

Look at G-Dragon or at the guys from the korean band BTS and now compare them to Vin Diesel in The Chronicles of Riddick. These young men would have never been able to pull it off as action movie stars being 110lbs to 150lbs or even less, but there are millions of attractive women around the world who'd sleep with them, and even without the fame and the cash, they would still not lack for desireable women.

Also notice how good the hair these men have is.  Good hair looks amazing on every guy. Jean Claude Van Damme in the Kickboxer. Sylvester Stallone's hair on Rocky Balboa. Brad Pitt hair on Interview With The Vampire/Troy. Tom Cruise's hair on Interview with the Vampire. Daniel Day-Lewis hair on The Last of The Mohicans. All of these guys are sex symbols, and all of these guys still have all of their hair.

Coincidence?
AH!

Hair transplants, because they know they'd lose half of their physical beauty if they were to ever lose their hair.

Be the whole package, guys. Be the muscular middle-aged man with a good job, a 5 rooms + 5 bathrooms house located in New York City with the mortggage on it already well on it's way of being paid off, be the guy who still has a strong, attractive head of hair, and you'll pretty much have a lot of options where it concerns attractive women.

And if you are rich?

Like shooting fish in a barrel.   I'd say that being a billionaire is far more valuable to attract young, hot women than being a 25 year old Giorgio Armani catwalk model could ever be.

Edited September 24, 2020 by Azincourt

[stillafool]

I agree most young girls and young women are attracted to the pretty boy type and without the muscles but nicely toned bodies that are typical with youth.

[mark clemson]

16 minutes ago, Azincourt said:

 but the younger the woman is, the more she is into pretty boys with slim bodies than she is to muscle-bound 6'8'' men. The Backstreet Boys, Westlife, NSYNC, One Direction,  Shawn Mendes, Justin Bieber, Bryan Adams etc

I'm not sure if youth is the deciding factor in this, but there's certainly truth to this.

[Azincourt]

17 minutes ago, stillafool said:

I agree most young girls and young women are attracted to the pretty boy type and without the muscles but nicely toned bodies that are typical with youth.

Same.  Check out Tom Cruise shirtless in that volleyball scene,(Top Gun) also look at Val Kilmmer being shirtless, and at the other men who are a part of that scene. That's what young women for the most part like in a man. A clean-shaved pretty face with high cheekbones, a full head of hair, and a body that is healthy, fit, but not so powerfully built that the dude looks like he's about to wrestle the Minotaur.

I've had a crush on Brad Pitt since I was very young, and when I looked at Brad Pitt shirtless on that Troy movie, I thought to myself, ''eww, way too muscly, please bring back shirtless Legends of The Fall  Brad Pitt, thanks''.

Edited September 24, 2020 by Azincourt

[Ruby Slippers]

Some women are into big guys, but the vast majority of women prefer "the swimmer's build" - long and lean with some definition. Almost all the men I've had relationships with have had this body type.

[Azincourt]

Richard Gere, Alain Delon, Montgomery Clift, James Dean,  Erroll Flynn,  Rudolph Valentino, Jimmy Stewart, Kirk Douglas. That kid from the Karate Kid. Michael J. Fox.

Most of the men who are Sex Symbols are slim men who don't really worry much about body-building and lifting, with the most muscly guy to ever find success with women on a large scale being Marlon Brando. but most other male stars were either skinny or slim, and men have only become obsessed with body building when Arnold Schwarzenegger suddenly came out from nowhere and began the entire scene of huge men becoming world-wide action movie stars. 

 Now you even have dudes like Harrison Ford who is in his 80s hitting the gym hard like he's going on a date with the Prom Queen.

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Some women are into big guys, but the vast majority of women prefer "the swimmer's build" - long and lean with some definition. Almost all the men I've had relationships with have had this body type.

Yes, big men are intimidating to many women.

Best male body to have is, in my opinion, the one the male ballet dancers who don't lift have, the build the soccer players who don't lift like Leo Messi's body build, and even a body that is not overweight and looks healthy enough is more than enough to be attractive to a very large majority of physically attractive women. Especially in these corona days with our faces half covered by a face mask, women still check out men often.

Edited September 24, 2020 by Azincourt

[Els]

Wait, why are we talking about penis size and muscles now??? Does "hair thinning" mean something other than what I thought it did??  😂

Anyway, I don't care about hair (and I'm married), but I'm early 30s and I don't think I'd date a 40+ yo man if I was single. Firstly because we'd be in a somewhat different stage of life, and secondly because I'm a lifelong-marriage idealist and I don't relish the prospect of having to take care of a (very likely ailing) 70+ yo man when I'm barely 60. It's better to age together, IMHO. I guess hair is a part of that - it's technically just hair, but hair loss signals aging, and for a young person that signal might cause some unease.

 

[Azincourt]

For sure. Last year I was dating a med student and while I was there at the hospital waiting to pick her up, I couldn't help but notice looking at the couples with a significant age difference between them, with the women being 10+ years younger than the men. I felt bad for these women having to act like nurses to their aging husbands, who will only grow older and become worse off. Not the way I'd see myself spending my life either.

I'm not interested in taking care of anyone, even if it's just temporarily, and that's one of the reasons why I prefer to date women in their early 20s.  What do they suffer from? they got health to sell and make a huge profit off it, and since I'm not interested in marriage,  I'm not expecting someone to take care of me as I go from middle-age(I'm in my 30s) to old age(50) to advanced old age(60-70+) I'll just go ahead and hire a nurse.

People should be enjoying the little time they have left on this earth, and the more time you spend taking care of someone, the less time you have left to enjoy yourself.

[Wiseman2]

14 hours ago, cousineddy said:

 I am 41 but .  Women usually guess my age at around 35. 

Sounds like mid-life crisis. See a doctor for a complete evaluation of your health, hormones, moods, etc. Then get a referral to a therapist and a dermatologist/plastic surgeon, if you wish to get treatment for this.

[CaliforniaGirl]

4 hours ago, Azincourt said:

They actually do. I have teenager sisters and I have sisters in their 20s and 30s, and all of them think any guy who is 10 years older than them to be out of their dating pool. Comments like, ''icky old man,'' and, '' I've seen 6000 years old Egyptian mummies who were more youthful looking than this 40/50 year old guy'' tidbits of commentary float around quite a bit between them. My sisters have Italian blood in them. italian women aren't shy about talking about a man's looks. 

Most 30 year old women find Brad Pitt to be old, and Brad Pitt was the biggest sex symbol Hollywood has ever had since Errol Flynn and Clark Gable.  Why would an attractive 30 year old woman want a guy who is nothing remarkable to look at, and is losing his hair?

Get that hair transplant as fast as possible.

It's a male fantasy, you know, that women are attracted to Conan The Barbarian and to the Terminator and to The Rock, but most women find men who are exceendigly musuclar to be quite unattractive. When women say they like muscular men, what they mean is that they like Tom  Cruise body in that movie Top Gun, and when they say they like big men, they mean to say they like Brad Pitt in the Fight Club movie, and both of those guys are rather small and skinny and it's easy to get to that body they used to have 30/40 years ago.

Personally I don't mean any of these specifics. It's curious that some men here refuse the input of actual women, regarding what actual women like.

If you don't believe us why ask us? Ask on a men's forum where you can all believe eachother.

Edited September 24, 2020 by CaliforniaGirl

[Azincourt]

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 I am 41 but .  Women usually guess my age at around 35. 

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Most 35 year old men don't exactly look young, and there ain't that much of an age difference between a 41 year old man and a 35 year old man.  Both are equally middle-aged, and their chances of successfuly going for younger/attractive women ain't exactly all that great, not unless they use money for it.

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Sounds like mid-life crisis. See a doctor for a complete evaluation of your health, hormones, moods, etc. Then get a referral to a therapist and a dermatologist/plastic surgeon, if you wish to get treatment for this.

How is being attracted to young women and wanting to be with them a ''mid-life crisis?'' 

Boris Johnson is like 60 years old and he just got divorced last year from his ex-wife who was 33 years old at the time to live domestically with a woman who is if I'm not mistaken, 40 years younger than him, and he already got her pregnant. The President of Brazil?  His wife is younger than his daughter, I believe. Why wouldn't a guy go for a young woman if he can afford it? How is that a mid-life crisis? Or a 25 year old man going for a 19 year old woman is also having a mid-life crisis?

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Personally I don't mean any of these specifics. It's curious that some men here refuse the input of actual women, regarding what actual women like.

If you don't believe us why ask us? Ask on a men's forum where you can all believe eachother.

 

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Well, because it's sold to men since we're youngsters that women have the hots for muscular men. It's a way gym franchises and protein shakes brands and GQ magazine have of selling their products to men who are desperate to be attractive to the opposite sex. 

When I'm built like a boxer, most of the sexual attention I get, I get it from gay men or bisexual men. When I'm too lazy to go to the gym, I go back to my soccer build like the one Leo Messi/Neymar Jr possess, and suddenly most of the attention I get? It's gotten from young women.  There's a huge number of  young women who like pretty boys instead of dudes you see bench-pressing 300lbs at the gym.

Edited September 24, 2020 by Azincourt

[CaliforniaGirl]

3 minutes ago, Azincourt said:

Most 35 year old men don't exactly look young, and there ain't that much of an age difference between a 41 year old man and a 35 year old man.  Both are equally middle-aged, and their chances of successfuly going for younger/attractive women ain't exactly all that great, not unless they use money for it.

How is being attracted to young women and wanting to be with them a ''mid-life crisis?'' 

Boris Johnson is like 60 years old and he just got divorced to live domestically with a woman who is if I'm not mistaken, 40 years younger than him, and he already got her pregnant. The President of Brazil?  His wife is younger than his daughter, I believe. Why wouldn't a guy go for a young woman if he can afford it? How is that a mid-life crisis? Or a 25 year old man going for a 19 year old woman is also having a mid-life crisis?

I think the midlife crisis idea is more about the extreme insecurities about aging than attraction preferences, JMO.

[Wiseman2]

4 minutes ago, Azincourt said:

most of the sexual attention I get, I get it from gay men or bisexual men

🤣🤔💪☝🥊🥋🏆

[elaine567]

4 minutes ago, Azincourt said:

Boris Johnson is like 60 years old and he just got divorced to live domestically with a woman who is if I'm not mistaken, 40 years younger than him

Boris Johnson is 56 and Carrie Symons is 32 - 24 years  younger. 

[Wiseman2]

Just now, elaine567 said:

Boris Johnson is 56 and Carrie Symons is 32 - 24 years  younger. 

Are they bald?

[Azincourt]

11 minutes ago, Wiseman2 said:

Are they bald?

Hair implants. Men with money will nearly always rush to get hair implants, unless their baldness has become part of their trademark(Vin Diesel, Bruce Willis, Jason Statham) as seeing them for decades without hair and then suddenly they have a full head of hair? Weird.

Gareth Bale, former Real Madrid F.C star was going bald in the space of a few months, the season ends, guy goes on holidays? Goes back with his hairloss and his bald spot(huge one) completely fixed.

Beautiful.

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Boris Johnson is 56 and Carrie Symons is 32 - 24 years  younger. 

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She's still young enough to be his grandaughter.

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I think the midlife crisis idea is more about the extreme insecurities about aging than attraction preferences, JMO.

It's mostly about the inability to pursue young beautiful women that comes with growing old.  That's easy enough to fix. Buy a Lamborghini Huracán Spyder and suddenly his age is no longer a concern.

Edited September 24, 2020 by Azincourt

[cousineddy]

Wow, there are a LOT of replies!  I will trying to answer a few questions that seem to be coming up.  I am 6ft, 188lbs.  I was a football tailback and tracker sprinter and when I say "run" I mostly do HIIT training with full speed sprinting.  I am not a long distance runner and I realize most of those types are super lean.  I am genetically well built for athletics and still probably more flexible than many in high school.  My football weight was 195# but I have not really been hitting the weighs in the past 6mo and it shows.  I intend to get back at it, but my goal has always been to be defined but mostly healthy and agile.  I have no motivation to stack on a ton of muscle but through a known process called muscle memory, I can regain my previous muscularity usually within 2mo of hard training.  Again, I do this to maintain health, reduce injury concerns, and stay out of the doctor's office.  

Again, I seem to be getting attacked for considering younger women.  It does NOT mean I would not date someone my own age, but I was in a 3.5yr relationship with what many would consider a 9+ and she was 6yrs younger, and we were great.  I have 3 women that desperately want to date me that are 29-30, but I do NOT make age the only factor so I am not dating them!!  I wrote one off because I felt our maturities did not match.  Some women are mature at 30, some just aren't!  

However, for me, it comes down to them being active  and athletic and it seems the older they get, the less active they are.  In my area, you are doing good to find a women that can run 100yds without puking!  I feel my activity level deserves to be matched with someone that has the same but I REFUSE to hang out at a gym with guys that worry more about their bicep size and attractiveness to women than living life.  

I don't have a confidence problem and I don't even really actively seek out dates.  I don't even worry about it any more.  So many go places hoping to "find someone".....  I just don't.  I go, enjoy myself, and let the rest be what it is.  However, I am finding that more and more women very bluntly ask my age and quickly!  Obviously that number means everything to a LOT of people and I am already prepared to die single rather than accept someone that cannot keep up with me.  

 

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[CaliforniaGirl]

27 minutes ago, elaine567 said:

Boris Johnson is 56 and Carrie Symons is 32 - 24 years  younger. 

Boris Johnson is a world leader, in case anyone missed this fact. People will marry world leaders literally no matter what they look like. I see him brought up over and over again on LS. Not an amazing example for age differences. And yes, as hair goes he's a Muppet. So as this thread goes he's an even weirder example, LOL.