Vaccine? Soon!

[introverted1]

55 minutes ago, elaine567 said:

Vaccines always cause some to have allergic reactions.

Agreed, but the rate is much higher with this vaccine, and affecting those with no known allergies or previous reactions.

Regardless, it will be quite a while (in the US at least) before ordinary mortals will have to decide. Healthcare workers are first in line and then nursing home residents.  Guessing 65+ would be next.  I think I saw that summer 2021 is the target to start rolling it out in the general population and a lot more will be known by then.

[introverted1]

On 12/6/2020 at 8:58 AM, elaine567 said:

I am just hoping that once many have had it with few side effects, then they may persuade others to take it.

The reported side effects (from the CDC) are:

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In clinical studies, adverse reactions in participants 16 years of age and older included pain at the injection site (84.1%), fatigue (62.9%), headache (55.1%), muscle pain (38.3%), chills (31.9%), joint pain (23.6%), fever (14.2%), injection site swelling (10.5%), injection site redness (9.5%), nausea (1.1%), malaise (0.5%), and lymphadenopathy (0.3%)

Severe allergic reactions have been reported following the Pfizer-BioNTech COVID-19 Vaccine during mass vaccination outside of clinical trials. Additional adverse reactions, some of which may be serious, may become apparent with more widespread use of the Pfizer-BioNTech COVID-19 Vaccine

There is skepticism about the safety of the vaccine amongst health care workers, which is being down-played in the media and/or presented as anti-vaxx fear.  This is the first mRNA vaccine ever and it stands to reason that the first generation of anything needs time to shake out.  It is a shame that the  benefits and limitations can't be openly discussed without the conversation devolving into name-calling and accusations of political motivation (or anti-science beliefs). 

[BC1980]

9 hours ago, QuietRiot said:

I am curious, with all the social media posts of nurses, even your own friends in the medical community...pics of them getting the vaccine, would sway naysayers?

I think it could. I do understand the reluctance to get it. I have decided to get it when it's available to me, but I do understand where people are coming from when they are worried about something that has recently been developed. But honestly, we take medication that is recently developed as well, so I guess it's the same thing. 

[BC1980]

My sister me told me she had some muscle aches today but was fine after taking some Advil. 

[Ellener]

11 hours ago, elaine567 said:

After the flu vaccine patients are usually asked to stick around for 5-10 minutes to exclude any problems

Not here ( US ) we get ours in the grocery store!

[poppyfields]

A couple of friends of mine in the medical profession got the vaccine earlier this week.  There's  a second shot they're supposed to receive but haven't yet.

Both feel fine, no side effects, yay! Next on the list are those 65+, then everyone by early spring.  

Finally, a light at the end of this dark tunnel!  Then life back to how we've always known. Fingers crossed anyway. 

There have been 2,000+ new cases in our city alone each day for the past week! And end of last week.

They suspect because of gatherings over Thanksgiving holiday.

Edited December 19, 2020 by poppyfields

[elaine567]

6 minutes ago, poppyfields said:

A couple of friends of mine in the medical profession got the vaccine earlier this week.  There's  a second shot they're supposed to receive but haven't yet.

Doses need to be at least 21 days apart.
Immunity then assumed after another "few weeks".

[sothereiwas]

On 12/18/2020 at 6:32 AM, introverted1 said:

I think I saw that summer 2021 is the target to start rolling it out in the general population and a lot more will be known by then.

When the vulnerable are mostly vaccinated we should be pretty much good to go. For most of the population, the "not as vulnerable", this plague is less dangerous than a typical flu. 

[Ellener]

https://www.cnbc.com/2020/12/23/pfizer-biontech-moderna-covid-19-vaccine-will-the-us-trust-it.html

'Nearly 4 in 10 Americans say they would “definitely” or “probably” not get a vaccine, according to a Pew Research Center survey of 12,648 U.S. adults from Nov. 18 to 29.

While this is better than Pew results from September, which showed that nearly 50% of respondents were leaning toward not getting the vaccine, it still falls short of what is needed to adequately protect the country. To achieve herd immunity, about 70% of the population needs to be vaccinated or have natural antibodies, experts say. 

Widespread mistrust could be a product of the fact that the Covid vaccine was researched and developed in just eight months, breaking the speed record of four years.

Or it might have something to do with the fact that if anything goes wrong with the vaccine, the drugmakers that produced them — Pfizer, BioNTech and Moderna — have total immunity against lawsuits related to injuries resulting from the vaccine until 2024.'

Anyway, HHS now has to spend money to 'convince' Americans to get vaccinated. 'Vaccine persuasion' is a new phrase we can add to our 2020 pandemic repertoire.

15 states are also having their own campaigns ( Kentucky, Delaware, Florida, Alabama, Washington, I couldn't find the complete list )

I'm getting mine as soon as it comes available.

 

[poppyfields]

Around my parts, gen population is targeted for early spring.  I just read that yesterday. 👍

I know 6 people who've gotten the shot, 5 are healthcare workers, no side effects.  

My boss's mom who's in a nursing home got her first shot this week.  My boss didn't day how it affected her.

Jan-early Feb. 2021 is targeted for 65+.  Followed by the gen pop in March-April. 

Around here anyway, southern California.

 

Edited December 23, 2020 by poppyfields

[Ellener]

2 hours ago, poppyfields said:

Jan-early Feb. 2021 is targeted for 65+.  Followed by the gen pop in March-April. 

Around here anyway, southern California.

It's probably a lot more random here; I haven't heard of any nursing home residents getting it yet, but some of the nursing staff in hospitals have.

As you say no side effects apparent as yet.

[sothereiwas]

4 hours ago, Ellener said:

Anyway, HHS now has to spend money to 'convince' Americans to get vaccinated.

Media has been promoting the idea that the vaccines were rushed and not safe - this is the completely predictable outcome of that. Why the media would have done that last fall is a subject for a different thread. 

[Ellener]

16 minutes ago, sothereiwas said:

Media has been promoting the idea that the vaccines were rushed and not safe - this is the completely predictable outcome of that. Why the media would have done that last fall is a subject for a different thread. 

'media'? 

 

[Lotsgoingon]

Employers are likely to require the vaccine. So all this opposition will likely quiet down when your job is on the line.  

 

 

Edited December 24, 2020 by Lotsgoingon

[Weezy1973]

On 12/23/2020 at 6:35 AM, poppyfields said:

I know 6 people who've gotten the shot, 5 are healthcare workers, no side effects.  

This should be an indicator for most people that the vaccines are safe. The people that know the most about them are taking them enthusiastically. The US is pretty unique in that such a large percentage of the population doesn’t really think experts are experts. 

[sothereiwas]

The people most at risk should be first in line, and simultaneously most motivated to take the vaccine. The rest of us can't even get it if we wanted until it's been guinea-pigged by that group anyway. 

[Taramere]

In the UK we had our biggest rise in cases yet yesterday.  The Oxford-AstraZeneca vaccine has now been approved for use here, with the first doses to be rolled out in a few days time

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-55280671

[Prudence V]

16 minutes ago, Taramere said:

The Oxford-AstraZeneca vaccine has now been approved for use here, with the first doses to be rolled out in a few days time

This is great news. Rollout of the (Pfizer) vaccine has been slow in many parts, because of the logistics - my FIL is in his 90s and should have been at the head of the queue to get it but has heard nothing yet, though we’re hopeful the Oxford vaccine with its lower demands on logistics will speed things up. 

[Prudence V]

On 12/24/2020 at 2:42 AM, Lotsgoingon said:

Employers are likely to require the vaccine. So all this opposition will likely quiet down when your job is on the line.  

 

 

Let’s hope so. There are some people who can’t have the vaccine for sound reasons, and it would be unfair if their lives were put at risk by selfish people who could have it, but didn’t want to, because “Bill Gates wants to microchip us” 🙄 or other such idiocy. 

[elaine567]

I think the A-Z vaccine will be rolled out faster, due to its greater robustness, but the contention that we will return to "normality" by the Spring, said by Matt Hancock today is nuts and over optimistic.  
The other problems are manufacture, he did concede that manufacture to meet demand may be an issue, and who will actually give it?
Liam Fox MP today was suggesting retired health professionals need to put themselves forward...
We don't yet know if the vaccine will be as effective on the new variant(s) and we do not know if it will hinder transmissability.
Such research is still ongoing. The vaccine neutralises virus in the blood, it doesn't neutralise it in the nasal mucosa... the hope is that the virus in the mucosa will also be reduced by the vaccine but they don't know yet...
We are in a much better place, but such unproven optimism by politicians  I don't think really helps.
If the vaccine will send us all back to normality by the Spring, I guess some will think why bother following the restrictions???

[Foxhall]

I notice they are querying the quality of the astra zaneca vaccine and it may not receive EU approval now in January,

this will create a problem where I am, as we are at the mercy of the EU approval and roll out process and unless the AZ vaccine is determined to be good enough, we will struggle to access sufficient numbers of the other vaccines,

speaking of vaccines, from what I have read the Russian Sputnik vaccine appears to more closely resemble a traditional vaccine in terms of how its formulated,

perhaps the sputnik vaccine may end up as the safest one to take but there is not much talk about it currently anyway.

 

 

[Ellener]

The Oxford-AstraZeneca vaccine was just approved in the UK. 

Vaccinations are happening very slowly in Texas, hopefully having three available will speed things up.

NOTED: the 2 month-apart doses required for immunisation of each of the three now-available vaccines must be from the same product.

[BC1980]

I'm getting the Moderna vaccine Wednesday, so I'll let y'all know how it turns out. 

[BC1980]

Also, I know someone that received one dose of the Pfizer vaccine 10 days ago and tested positive for Covid this morning. I think I remember that it takes 2 weeks for your body to produce antibodies after the first dose of that vaccine. She also hasn't gotten the booster dose yet. 

[Ellener]

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-55514243 The vaccination rollout in other countries, Israel leading in numbers acheived.

Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu, who is campaigning for re-election, has predicted Israel could emerge from the pandemic as early as February. It is currently in its third national lockdown.