Reasons for not getting Covid vaccine?

[dramafreezone]

On 1/3/2021 at 6:46 AM, darkfoxjj said:

- Possible long term side effects because of shortened/rushed testing phases. Especially with the  newer mRNA based vaccine.

 

 

I do see this mentioned a lot.  I suppose that's a valid concern, but the other perspective is that the typical clinical testing phase may be unnecessarily drawn out due to bureaucratic reasons.

These huge companies have far too much to lose to rush a vaccine, and when I say rush I mean produce beyond the capabilities of developing a safe medication.  To use an anology, commercial planes fly significantly slower than they're capable of flying, for a number of reasons, not one of which is because it's not safe for the aircraft.   We're in an extraordinary time so we're seeing that the limits of medical science are being pushed, but I think it's a mistake to conclude that they're exceeding the limits of what's safe.

Also, people should keep in mind that vaccines historically have been *very* safe medications, and they've only gotten better at producing them as time has gone on.

Edited February 28, 2021 by dramafreezone

[Angelle]

Just popping in to share this:

https://www.cantonrep.com/story/news/2021/02/26/covid-19-vaccine-mammogram-lymph-nodes-radiology-imaging-breast-cancer-pandemic/4573619001/

[BC1980]

I received the first shot of the Moderna vaccine 2 months ago and still have a swollen lymph node under my arm. Since it has been 2 months, my GYN ordered a mammogram and ultrasound of the lymph node and both were normal. The radiologist thinks it's a reactive lymph node that just hasn't gone down yet. He wants me to get another mammogram and ultrasound in 3 months. 
 

About 10 days after I received the first vaccine, my arm got red and developed a nodule. I noticed the lymph node a few days later. I have heard of lymph nodes that remained permanently enlarged due to mono or other illnesses. Just wanted to share in case this happens to anyone else, so they aren't anxious about it. I psyched myself up a little bit going to get the mammogram even though I figured it was just from the vaccine.

Edited March 8, 2021 by BC1980

[primer]

I am not going to get it because a bunch on anonymous people on the internet think I should. They didn't convince me to change my vote either.

I hate to get a vaccine for something that could be asymptomatic. If I didn't have it already, I think my immune system can handle it.

 

 

 

 

 

[NuevoYorko]

On 3/8/2021 at 7:49 AM, primer said:

I am not going to get it because a bunch on anonymous people on the internet think I should. They didn't convince me to change my vote either.

I hate to get a vaccine for something that could be asymptomatic. If I didn't have it already, I think my immune system can handle it.

 

 

 

 

 

Your choice - but  "a bunch of anonymous people on the internet"  and their thoughts are not what you're refuting.  Rather, it's the vast majority of scientific and  medical communities worldwide.

Potential negative side effects of vaccines are far safer than therapeutic medicines. 

The anti-science stance is a feature of our past administration and its followers.  I find it disheartening.  Hopefully the ratio of people willing to vaccinate not only for their own good but for the common good of humanity (smallpox was completely eradicated; polio, measles, mumps and many other diseases greatly decreased).  

Here is an educational article from WHO about vaccines, which includes internal links.  I realize that most of the followers of the former resident of the WH are already indoctrinated to believe that the WHO is a sham, but perhaps you'll be open to this:

https://www.who.int/bulletin/volumes/86/2/07-040089/en/

[Fletch Lives]

I'll tell you why I'm getting the shot.

My mother was an R.N. She was very smart. When she talked, it was like listening to a doctor.

She was an advocate of the flu vaccine. I have to believe that she would be an advocate of the Covid vaccine also.

[BC1980]

21 hours ago, NuevoYorko said:

Potential negative side effects of vaccines are far safer than therapeutic medicines. 

This. Over the decades, vaccines have proven to be very safe. Vaccines are one of the biggest breakthroughs in public health in the past century. 

Edited March 14, 2021 by BC1980

[pepperbird2]

On 3/16/2021 at 10:12 AM, Mark80 said:

I saw my rhumatologist the other day. She is considered to be somewhat of an expert int he field,and she's still not recommending it until more data comes in about how safe it would be for people in my situation.
 I trust her, as she know my particular issues firsthand.

 

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[SumGuy]

On 3/14/2021 at 11:01 AM, BC1980 said:

This. Over the decades, vaccines have proven to be very safe. Vaccines are one of the biggest breakthroughs in public health in the past century. 

Yes, people do not remember how deadly disease were common features of life not even a hundred years ago.  My parents grew up in the time of polio and small pox, at one time disease was feared and taking precautions against was just common sense.  Amazing how fast people can forget and get complacent...an unintended consequence of the first world good life.

[mrs rubble]

I have no reasons for not getting the vaccine. I’ve been exposed to it (covid)and testing for it for a year now.

My colleagues and I are being offered the vaccine in a couple of weeks time, we had an info session with two of our microbiology pathologists and lab manager last week. 

There’s a load of misinformation out there about the vaccine.... RNA will not alter your DNA for starters. 

I could go on and on.. but I’ll just say as a microbiologist I will be getting the vaccine. I will get my shots in both arms, rather than the same both times. 

[d0nnivain]

I was thinking about this again yesterday after a conversation with a friend.  

Why or how is it that in less than 1 year we now have all these vaccines for Covid but nobody has found a cure or a vaccine for deadlier things that have been around for longer like Cancer, AIDS or Ebola?  

It's one more thing that makes me distrustful.  

As somebody at high risk to have a bad reaction to the vaccine because  I have bad reactions to many medications, I'd rather take my chances with Covid.  Covid probably won't kill or disable me but the possibility that I will have a bad reaction to the vaccine terrifies me.  Maybe my view will change as more people get it, time passes & we have more clinical info but for now no..  

[ASG]

3 hours ago, d0nnivain said:

I was thinking about this again yesterday after a conversation with a friend.  

Why or how is it that in less than 1 year we now have all these vaccines for Covid but nobody has found a cure or a vaccine for deadlier things that have been around for longer like Cancer, AIDS or Ebola?  

It's one more thing that makes me distrustful.  

As somebody at high risk to have a bad reaction to the vaccine because  I have bad reactions to many medications, I'd rather take my chances with Covid.  Covid probably won't kill or disable me but the possibility that I will have a bad reaction to the vaccine terrifies me.  Maybe my view will change as more people get it, time passes & we have more clinical info but for now no..  

There are several cures for cancer. Most people don't die of it, these days!

AIDS is also no the death sentence it once was, more like a manageable chronic illness, with a few instances of cure. 

As for Ebola... It doesn't affect the correct amount of people or the correct kind of people for money to be pumped into research for it. Even so, there are a few treatments available and even some vaccine research. 

 

If you do tend to have adverse reactions to medicine, I think it's absolutely fair that you have reservations about taking this one. Your doctor would probably not even advise it. But speed should not be a reason for reservations in regards to this vaccine. 

[d0nnivain]

15 hours ago, ASG said:

If you do tend to have adverse reactions to medicine, I think it's absolutely fair that you have reservations about taking this one. Your doctor would probably not even advise it. 

My doctor has already advised against due to my unusual & always bad reactions to medication.  

[Prudence V]

21 hours ago, d0nnivain said:

Cancer, AIDS or Ebola

“Cancer” isn’t one thing - it’s many different things lumped together under one name. There is, for example, a vaccination against HPV which causes cervical cancer, so there’s one cancer with a vaccine. 
 

There are scientists working on HIV prevention, but as @ASG stated above, with the antiretroviral cocktail available these days, it’s no longer as deadly as it was, and it’s not as transmissible as something like Covid / SARS / MERS (you don’t catch it just by walking within a couple of metres with someone infected; you actually have to have sex with them or share other body fluids). And, of course, AIDS was always seen as a “scapegoat” disease - something that people got as a consequence of their own actions (ie, sex) even though that wasn’t always the case (mother to child transmission, blood transfusions,etc) and many of those infected were from marginalised groups (gay men, black women, etc). Which applies to Ebola, too. 
 

But given the speed with which so many vaccines were able to be developed for Covid, I’m hopeful that that capacity will be refocused onto some of these other diseases and conditions once this pandemic is over. 

[Prudence V]

On 3/18/2021 at 9:29 AM, mrs rubble said:

I will get my shots in both arms, rather than the same both times. 

I’m interested in why you’ve chosen this? How far apart will you be having your first and second jab? 
 

I chose my left arm, just because I’ve always had my vaccinations in that arm and I have the scars from my childhood ones as a reminder. 

[klassta]

I have a suppressed immune system. Specific efficacy and safety data are not yet available for people with immunosuppression due to medications or chronic illness. People with autoimmune conditions or who are immunocompromised are not excluded from getting the vaccine. Those who are vaccinated should be counseled on the potential for reduced immune responses and the need to continue to follow all current guidance to protect themselves against COVID-19. If you are immunocompromised or have an autoimmune disease, you and your doctor can decide together by weighing the benefits and risks.

[NuevoYorko]

12 hours ago, klassta said:

I have a suppressed immune system. Specific efficacy and safety data are not yet available for people with immunosuppression due to medications or chronic illness. People with autoimmune conditions or who are immunocompromised are not excluded from getting the vaccine. Those who are vaccinated should be counseled on the potential for reduced immune responses and the need to continue to follow all current guidance to protect themselves against COVID-19. If you are immunocompromised or have an autoimmune disease, you and your doctor can decide together by weighing the benefits and risks.

I have 2 people in my family who are extremely immunocompromised -one HIV + since 1987, the other has no spleen, one kidney and less than half of their liver due to cancer.  Both of their have doctors advised them to get the vaccine at their earliest possible opportunities.  According to their docs, potential risks of the vaccines are far outweighed by those posed by COVID. These people have been living with the most extreme COVID restrictions imaginable.  

[BC1980]

On 3/18/2021 at 9:34 AM, d0nnivain said:

I was thinking about this again yesterday after a conversation with a friend.  

Why or how is it that in less than 1 year we now have all these vaccines for Covid but nobody has found a cure or a vaccine for deadlier things that have been around for longer like Cancer, AIDS or Ebola?  

It's one more thing that makes me distrustful.  

As somebody at high risk to have a bad reaction to the vaccine because  I have bad reactions to many medications, I'd rather take my chances with Covid.  Covid probably won't kill or disable me but the possibility that I will have a bad reaction to the vaccine terrifies me.  Maybe my view will change as more people get it, time passes & we have more clinical info but for now no..  

There actually is a vaccine against one strain of Ebola. Though Ebola is a deadly disease, it doesn't spread as rapidly as COVID because it can't spread via droplets. So Ebola has never caused a worldwide pandemic affecting millions of people. Hence, there was never a huge push to create a vaccine. We can also talk about healthcare disparities in countries where Ebola outbreaks occur and how that might relate to vaccine development. You have to consider financial incentives to make vaccines in some of these cases. 
 

There are several reasons why we don't have an HIV vaccine, but one reason is that it mutates quickly, which makes it difficult to develop a vaccine to it. There also isn't much of a financial incentive to create an HIV vaccine anymore. Big Pharma has developed several HIV drugs like Truvada. It's sometimes more lucrative to keep people sick than to cure them/prevent illness. 

Cancer is an entirely different kettle of fish, but we are still learning about the relationship that viruses have to cancer. As has been said, the HPV vaccine protects against cervical cancer (anal cancer also since most cases of anal cancer are caused by HPV). Some people also say the Hep B vaccine is an anti-cancer vaccine as well because half of liver cancer cases are caused by Hep B. Cancer treatment is a hugh industry in its own right. I have a close friend that was treated at MD Anderson, and he said it was a realization at just how big that industry is. I always say follow the money and the incentives in these situations. There was a lot of incentive to create a Covid vaccine, and this stuff can be done quickly if there is a will. That being said, I understand the hesitancy and questions people have. I did get the vaccine myself. 

[mrs rubble]

On 3/20/2021 at 1:12 AM, Prudence V said:

I’m interested in why you’ve chosen this? How far apart will you be having your first and second jab? 
 

I chose my left arm, just because I’ve always had my vaccinations in that arm and I have the scars from my childhood ones as a reminder. 

Our vaccines will be 3 weeks apart.. I want the second one in the other arm as I had a reaction to the meningococcal vaccine on my second dose in the same arm, so hopefully swapping them will avoid reactions. Not that the reaction was bad, just swelling and redness at the vaccination site. 

[pepperbird2]

On 3/19/2021 at 2:09 PM, klassta said:

I have a suppressed immune system. Specific efficacy and safety data are not yet available for people with immunosuppression due to medications or chronic illness. People with autoimmune conditions or who are immunocompromised are not excluded from getting the vaccine. Those who are vaccinated should be counseled on the potential for reduced immune responses and the need to continue to follow all current guidance to protect themselves against COVID-19. If you are immunocompromised or have an autoimmune disease, you and your doctor can decide together by weighing the benefits and risks.

I'm in the same boat, and my doctors have recommended I not get it until there's more hard data that it's actually safe.

As an aside, something I've been noticing more is that when there's a discussion about the vaccine, and I say I can't get it ( at least, not yet) many times, I get reposes along the lines of I must be some sort of "antivaxxer", when that's simply not the case.
 

[d0nnivain]

@pepperbird2 I have also been accused by certain people who aren't listening of being an anti-vaxer.  No matter somebody's views you have to do what is best for your health as determined by your doctor, not some well meaning busybody. 

[hippychick3]

On 3/19/2021 at 7:12 AM, Prudence V said:

I’m interested in why you’ve chosen this? How far apart will you be having your first and second jab? 
 

I chose my left arm, just because I’ve always had my vaccinations in that arm and I have the scars from my childhood ones as a reminder. 

I just had my second shot and it was given to me in the opposite arm from the first shot. I had no idea they would do that until I was there. She said it was done so the vaccine would be distributed equally to both sides of your body. 

[BC1980]

6 hours ago, d0nnivain said:

@pepperbird2 I have also been accused by certain people who aren't listening of being an anti-vaxer.  No matter somebody's views you have to do what is best for your health as determined by your doctor, not some well meaning busybody. 

I would listen to your doctor because he/she knows your situation. I am very pro-vaccine, but I completely understand the hesitancy and questions. FWIW, my GYN (who I have been seeing for 20 years and trust implicitly) said she is not getting the second dose of the vaccine because the first dose cause such bad side effects. 

[Bonifidelifelover]

On 1/4/2021 at 3:05 PM, snowboy91 said:

I've been lucky enough to know very few people personally who have had Covid - but whatever stories I have heard are far from pleasant (a couple of posters here, for example). I wouldn't want that for myself or any of my friends or family (or, well anyone really). So if it's as simple as taking a vaccine, of course I will.

In terms of safety, realistically we've been tracking safety across multiple vaccine candidates for around 6 months at a minimum, and across a large number of people. Adverse events have been rare, and there isn't really anything new about the overall method used for vaccination (introduce something to train the immune system). Sure, the mRNA approach is somewhat new, but I can't see how it would cause significantly greater problems than existing vaccines.

In terms of whether they actually work, I'm choosing to trust the scientific process and the trial methodology to determine that they do actually work. I'll be a little skeptical until I can see it having an effect on transmission rates, but, hey, if it's safe, for me it's a no brainer since something is better than nothing.

3 of my relatives died of covid, all very horribly. Basically couldn’t breathe to death. Plus my relatives niece 14 yrs. died of it too. That one made the news in Arizona.  

[ASG]

On 3/21/2021 at 5:16 PM, hippychick3 said:

I just had my second shot and it was given to me in the opposite arm from the first shot. I had no idea they would do that until I was there. She said it was done so the vaccine would be distributed equally to both sides of your body. 

That makes literally no sense whatsoever. It's definitely not how vaccines (or any intramuscular injections) work. An intramuscular injection is absorbed by your bloodstream. Once that's done, it is evenly distributed through your body. Period. The nurse that administered your vaccine was full of it, or is completely ignorant of how vaccines/injections and the body works....